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hey, just a quick question for those of you who know alot about spamming, or i guess i should say "unintentional spamming"

I started using backlinks to promote my site, and it is working well, but i dont want to get penalized or shutdown because they consider it spamming.

I created several profiles for each site, so like 3 different email address for each site. Then posted and left my backlinks to a 3 different urls i wanted ranked well.

Is there a way for them to tell that all 3 are mine? by my ip. I am sure they can, but will they do anything to me.

I am worried they will see all my links and profiles and then follow them to my site and tell my hosting company about it.

So I guess i am just asking ... Will i get me or my site in any hot water by creating several profiles from the same ip address (my laptop), and if i will how do you suggest i go about doing it properly or not suffering any consequences?

Thanks

By the way, my profiles are not spammy, they all have bios, and everything filled out and I only leave 1 backlink per profile to avoid them deleting them. (I would like to leave more, but as you can tell i am a little afraid of the moderators
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish
    Your ip address is shown in the admin panel of wordpress blogs so yes, they would be able to tell they came from the same PC.

    Like Marc has said, only do one link at a time. Bookmark the page and maybe in a few weeks, go back and bookmark a another one.

    If they have Akismet plugin installed, it might ban your url if it thinks you are spamming and that's very possible you're posting 3 links one after another in a short timeframe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Okay thanks.

      Just to be clear though I am not posting in blogs. I am putting my links only in the bio sections or about me sections.

      I have been using angelas and pauls backlinks and decided that i didnt want to spend the time thinking up relevant posts for the blogs so i just wrote out several bios and interests with my keyword in it and only created profiles for those that were "non-blog" backlink sites. Then i hyper linked the keyword that is in the paragraph.

      Thanks though for the response, i looked into ip changing software ...but it sounds kinda sketchy considering what i want to do *might* be considered wrong.

      Thanks again
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      • Profile picture of the author TheHutz
        As far as I'm aware, the search engines will never know that your accounts were set up by the same IP.

        It's the site that you signed up to that will know and to be honest (this is down to each individual site) I doubt anything will be done if everything is in moderation.

        You've made a good move to fill out the profile as fully as possible - have you filled that out with different details each time, or are they all "you"?

        Just don't go crazy and you'll be fine. Try and set up a system where you use each profile to promote different URL rather than one at the same time.

        Spread out the URLs you are promoting and also promote other related sites that arent your own.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
          Originally Posted by TheHutz View Post

          As far as I'm aware, the search engines will never know that your accounts were set up by the same IP.

          It's the site that you signed up to that will know and to be honest (this is down to each individual site) I doubt anything will be done if everything is in moderation.

          You've made a good move to fill out the profile as fully as possible - have you filled that out with different details each time, or are they all "you"?

          Just don't go crazy and you'll be fine. Try and set up a system where you use each profile to promote different URL rather than one at the same time.

          Spread out the URLs you are promoting and also promote other related sites that arent your own.
          Thanks for the reply, I think you have a good idea. I never thought to add other sites that arent my own in. Also I will do what you said, about using one url per profile.

          Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author metafever
    are you posting to a blog / social network / forum.

    I guess I am a bit confused.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nino C
    Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

    Just do 1 account per site and find more sites.
    Ok and what if you are trying to rank for more than 1 site and not just one....
    example: what if want to rank ur site DOGTRAINING.COM and catfood.com could u use the same site to do the backlinking??
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Ahh yes ... or what if you want to link more than just the landing page of your site, or as they say - Deep Linking inner pages of the site/blog.

      Ahhh its a relief to not worry with that issue ... being restrained to just 1 link per log in post / profile - per visit

      Originally Posted by Nino C View Post

      Ok and what if you are trying to rank for more than 1 site and not just one....
      example: what if want to rank ur site DOGTRAINING.COM and catfood.com could u use the same site to do the backlinking??
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  • Profile picture of the author Jenie0109
    just post one account on each site and find another one for you them to know that you're not an obvious spammer
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  • Profile picture of the author tazsolmarketing
    Use one account. take it easy to avoid google penalize
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    • Profile picture of the author llfleming
      i wish people would say more about this. the first link I ever tried to get this way was a recommendation of angela's backlinks and was immediately labeled spam! i guess too many subscribers to her list had dropped by the site to do the exact same thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cackle
        yeah, it sounds like people aren't using enough common sense. stop worrying about gaming Google and realize you can't. They are always one step ahead of you. Think about it - if you have multiple links posted on the same site (bio or otherwise) under different profiles leading to different websites that are all under the SAME IP - do you really think that's going to benefit you long-term?

        No, google isn't going to tell your host if it's just a few dozen links but they will eventually penalize your sites. Maybe not today or tomorrow - but they will.

        Spread the links out - and use common sense. If it sounds funky to you - it's most definetely going to look funky to google.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      What penalty would that be? Does that penalty have a name?

      How do we know that penalty even exists?

      A penalty for too many links from too many different URL's/domians?

      What a great way to sabotage a competitor ... good thing it doesnt exist.

      Originally Posted by tazsolmarketing View Post

      Use one account. take it easy to avoid google penalize
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  • Profile picture of the author maryjane123
    AshleyAA
    sounds like you are taking the time on each site. i just started using angelas backlinks but her recommendation was to just leave the link.

    i would like to know if it really matters. what percentage of accounts get deleted if you just leave a link.

    she teaches that way for a reason. would like to know if others using her list ever go back to see if the account is still active.

    do you know if there is a forum for people using angelas backlinks to discuss strategies?

    thanks
    maryjane
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by maryjane123 View Post

      AshleyAA
      sounds like you are taking the time on each site. i just started using angelas backlinks but her recommendation was to just leave the link.

      i would like to know if it really matters. what percentage of accounts get deleted if you just leave a link.

      she teaches that way for a reason. would like to know if others using her list ever go back to see if the account is still active.

      do you know if there is a forum for people using angelas backlinks to discuss strategies?

      thanks
      maryjane
      With some projects I've kept a list of where my links are and most of them have stayed. Some sites take the links away, but that's not too terribly common. If you want to set up an entire profile you certainly can and that would probably be better in the long run, especially if you were looking for traffic from the site itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    People sign up to a lot of stuff. Remember how much stuff U.S. President Obama was signed up to before the election? That guy was EVERYWHERE on the Internet. If Google or whoever was going to penalize people because their IP was being used in a lot of spots, then to be fair, HE should have been penalized.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    How is your movement in the Google index? There is one guy who was pretty concerned about his links being indexed and didn't see it happening as much as he thought it should. Just today, though, he told me that he is on Google's Page One for his keywords. I'd recommend watching your movement and forget worrying about whether your backlinks are "indexed" or not.

    I don't know how long it takes for the links to be indexed because honestly, I never look. I look for movement in Google and every, single, project I've EVER worked on is on Page One of Google. Every one. That's what I look for.
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  • Profile picture of the author maryjane123
    thank you for the explanation, that makes sense. if feel more confident now that i have more information.

    regards;
    maryjane
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  • Profile picture of the author Leonard Holmes
    I like Angela's package so far and her approach, but I did see a few problems with everyone piling on at the same time. One site disabled signatures because of the onslaught of one-time posters. The adult irreverent cartoon Forum about little boys from Colorado started a thread calling everyone out and quoting their barely-relevant posts with irrelevant links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    I have no idea what you mean by the Cartoon Forum, but the reason some sites were having trouble is because my packets are being given away for free by at least THREE forums. People are going to the sites and spamming them to death, unfortunately. I am taking steps to stop this by not putting forum-type sites or blogs in the packets (even though I have a GREAT Page Rank 9 "comment" backlink).

    I tried to tell the forums to take my product down, but pretty much all I got was MY posts deleted and I was told to "stop complaining". As if I would simply allow them to ruin all the links for everybody else. The moderator simply closed the thread and told people to PM her for my packet. You can see this from the pictures here:





    The "links" in my post were simply to my sales page, showing that what was posted on this thread was 'lifted' straight from my sales page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Leonard Holmes
      I was referring to the cartoon SouthPark. I didn't want to mention the name because I didn't want to post even part of the content of your product publicly. Sorry for the confusion.

      I really do like what you are doing, by the way, and will continue as a paid subscriber. Maybe with paid content people won't want to just post it on forums for free.

      Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

      I have no idea what you mean by the Cartoon Forum, but the reason some sites were having trouble is because my packets are being given away for free by at least THREE forums.
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      • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
        Originally Posted by Leonard Holmes View Post

        I was referring to the cartoon SouthPark. I didn't want to mention the name because I didn't want to post even part of the content of your product publicly. Sorry for the confusion.

        I really do like what you are doing, by the way, and will continue as a paid subscriber. Maybe with paid content people won't want to just post it on forums for free.

        Well, some of the paid subscribers are the ones who are giving the packets away to others for free (why would anyone want to ruin the links for themselves??), but I am taking steps to at least not have the sites ruined for everybody.

        Thank you for not mentioning sites publically, Leonard. That was very kind of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    For your backlink building it's always best for there to be no verifiable link between the site you post your link on, and your website. Ie: if you just use a madeup profile account and link that to your website (without the website and profile being linked) then there will be no traceable connection, and you can't be penalized.
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      For your backlink building it's always best for there to be no verifiable link between the site you post your link on, and your website. Ie: if you just use a madeup profile account and link that to your website (without the website and profile being linked) then there will be no traceable connection, and you can't be penalized.
      Why do you say this, Steven? I have a couple of things in the number TWO spot in Google out of MILLIONS of competing sites and this has not been the case for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    Hi Angela,

    My apologies for not making my post clearer, I just re-read what I typed and can see how it could be misread. It seems it's just a little issue of semantics.

    Linking from another site directly to your website is of course absolutely fine. What I meant to say was, if the actual link building itself is directly traceable to you as the individual owner of the site, that's when you need to be cautious of spamming (ie: you do your link building from the exact same IP address as your site is hosted on).

    My original impression from the OP was that she was using a Wordpress.com site and profile, logging in with that same profile, and was then making posts under that profile on other Wordpress.com websites, hence there being a direct connection to her website through her Wordpress.com account.

    This may just have been me entirely misreading what Ashley wrote, which I most likely did. If Ashley has her own Wordpress site hosted on her own domain, then I absolutely cannot see any need to be worried about anything in regards to spamming.

    The IP you're making these posts under Ashley will be different to the IP you're hosting your site under. There will be no verifiable connection between the two, therefore you can't be penalized. Even if your link building was perceived as being spammy, the absolute most that would happen is that a site would simply delete your posts, or your personal IP address may be added to the Akismet database. This will once again not in any way effect your website (as the IP that's hosted on is different).

    Think of it like this. Let's say I was competing with you for a keyword and wanted to get you in trouble. If I could just simply spam your website to ten thousand blogs, including my own, and then make a report to your web hosting company that you're spamming my website, then that would be utter chaos wouldn't it? Fortunately, it doesn't work like that. Off-site link building, no matter how bad, cannot harm your website, just so long as there's no direct link that you're the site owner (which there won't be in your case, from the way I now understand it).

    The only way you'll get in any trouble, either with Google or through your webhost, is if you do on-site optimization that's considered foul play (such as keyword stuffing, link selling, setting up doorway pages, anything like that).

    But feel confident in the knowledge you can go on posting on as many blogs as you like, with links back to your websites, with the worst that can ever happen being individual site owners deleting your posts.

    My apologies once again for reading this question wrongly, just thought I would clarify where I stand on this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ashley Gable
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      Hi Angela,

      My apologies for not making my post clearer, I just re-read what I typed and can see how it could be misread. It seems it's just a little issue of semantics.

      Linking from another site directly to your website is of course absolutely fine. What I meant to say was, if the actual link building itself is directly traceable to you as the individual owner of the site, that's when you need to be cautious of spamming (ie: you do your link building from the exact same IP address as your site is hosted on).

      My original impression from the OP was that she was using a Wordpress.com site and profile, logging in with that same profile, and was then making posts under that profile on other Wordpress.com websites, hence there being a direct connection to her website through her Wordpress.com account.

      This may just have been me entirely misreading what Ashley wrote, which I most likely did. If Ashley has her own Wordpress site hosted on her own domain, then I absolutely cannot see any need to be worried about anything in regards to spamming.

      The IP you're making these posts under Ashley will be different to the IP you're hosting your site under. There will be no verifiable connection between the two, therefore you can't be penalized. Even if your link building was perceived as being spammy, the absolute most that would happen is that a site would simply delete your posts, or your personal IP address may be added to the Akismet database. This will once again not in any way effect your website (as the IP that's hosted on is different).

      Think of it like this. Let's say I was competing with you for a keyword and wanted to get you in trouble. If I could just simply spam your website to ten thousand blogs, including my own, and then make a report to your web hosting company that you're spamming my website, then that would be utter chaos wouldn't it? Fortunately, it doesn't work like that. Off-site link building, no matter how bad, cannot harm your website, just so long as there's no direct link that you're the site owner (which there won't be in your case, from the way I now understand it).

      The only way you'll get in any trouble, either with Google or through your webhost, is if you do on-site optimization that's considered foul play (such as keyword stuffing, link selling, setting up doorway pages, anything like that).

      But feel confident in the knowledge you can go on posting on as many blogs as you like, with links back to your websites, with the worst that can ever happen being individual site owners deleting your posts.

      My apologies once again for reading this question wrongly, just thought I would clarify where I stand on this.
      Thanks for this detailed explanation. yes you are right, I am posting on other peoples sites, I do not host my own website (i think thats what you mean). I am on my laptop just posting links and comments (relevant of course).

      You answered my question perfectly, I can post links and not be directly "prosecuted" for doing it. I never thought about the competition example, that would be chaos and makes sense.

      Thanks for all the replies everyone!
      Ashley
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    • Profile picture of the author Best Affiliate
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      Hi Angela,

      My apologies for not making my post clearer, I just re-read what I typed and can see how it could be misread. It seems it's just a little issue of semantics.

      Linking from another site directly to your website is of course absolutely fine. What I meant to say was, if the actual link building itself is directly traceable to you as the individual owner of the site, that's when you need to be cautious of spamming (ie: you do your link building from the exact same IP address as your site is hosted on).

      My original impression from the OP was that she was using a Wordpress.com site and profile, logging in with that same profile, and was then making posts under that profile on other Wordpress.com websites, hence there being a direct connection to her website through her Wordpress.com account.

      This may just have been me entirely misreading what Ashley wrote, which I most likely did. If Ashley has her own Wordpress site hosted on her own domain, then I absolutely cannot see any need to be worried about anything in regards to spamming.

      The IP you're making these posts under Ashley will be different to the IP you're hosting your site under. There will be no verifiable connection between the two, therefore you can't be penalized. Even if your link building was perceived as being spammy, the absolute most that would happen is that a site would simply delete your posts, or your personal IP address may be added to the Akismet database. This will once again not in any way effect your website (as the IP that's hosted on is different).

      Think of it like this. Let's say I was competing with you for a keyword and wanted to get you in trouble. If I could just simply spam your website to ten thousand blogs, including my own, and then make a report to your web hosting company that you're spamming my website, then that would be utter chaos wouldn't it? Fortunately, it doesn't work like that. Off-site link building, no matter how bad, cannot harm your website, just so long as there's no direct link that you're the site owner (which there won't be in your case, from the way I now understand it).

      The only way you'll get in any trouble, either with Google or through your webhost, is if you do on-site optimization that's considered foul play (such as keyword stuffing, link selling, setting up doorway pages, anything like that).

      But feel confident in the knowledge you can go on posting on as many blogs as you like, with links back to your websites, with the worst that can ever happen being individual site owners deleting your posts.

      My apologies once again for reading this question wrongly, just thought I would clarify where I stand on this.
      sorry to repeat all this but I just want to be clear. if im using a free hosted domain that isnt registered to me its ok to do my backlinking campaign without fear of penalty? Also I have a little seo experience but I am by no means an expert but when you are making posts to sites the content you create needs to be relevant to your keywords and site etc correct? When I sold seo services the seo consultants always said that there always had to be a strategy when doing your link building like this and not just dropping links. I know google uses LSI or latent semantic indexing which basically looks at the keywords and the "expert words" around them. I wonder if Angela used any of this type of strategy when she was building links for her doctors site....
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
        Originally Posted by Best Affiliate View Post

        sorry to repeat all this but I just want to be clear. if im using a free hosted domain that isnt registered to me its ok to do my backlinking campaign without fear of penalty? Also I have a little seo experience but I am by no means an expert but when you are making posts to sites the content you create needs to be relevant to your keywords and site etc correct? When I sold seo services the seo consultants always said that there always had to be a strategy when doing your link building like this and not just dropping links. I know google uses LSI or latent semantic indexing which basically looks at the keywords and the "expert words" around them. I wonder if Angela used any of this type of strategy when she was building links for her doctors site....
        In terms of SEO, there'd be no issues with your free hosted domain.

        And yes, your content needs to be relevant. I wouldn't get too concerned about things such as LSI, just make your content read naturally for human visitors and not search engines, and have a decent keyword density, and that will be fine.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jenie0109
          Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

          In terms of SEO, there'd be no issues with your free hosted domain.
          Actually, yes it does have issues. It makes the URL goes longer. And sometimes, visitors didnt remember the exact url name. Like 'yournamedotdomaindotsubdomain'
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
            Originally Posted by Jenie0109 View Post

            Actually, yes it does have issues. It makes the URL goes longer. And sometimes, visitors didnt remember the exact url name. Like 'yournamedotdomaindotsubdomain'
            Jenie, you are obviously spamming these forums to increase your post count. Could you stop posting such junk, thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
              Easy there Steve H - Jennie is cool - shes been active here for a bit. Please give her the benefit of the doubt. You may disagree with her post, but she's got more posts than you [ on that account anyway ]

              Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

              Jenie, you are obviously spamming these forums to increase your post count. Could you stop posting such junk, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author basmin
    thank you, this discussion is very useful to increase knowledge about backlink spam.
    one question from me, how long backlink in google index?
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  • A backlink is NOT spam if it's relevant and useful to the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author maryjane123
    all you fans of angelas backlinks care to explain the strategies used when using the system?

    what do you do if you want to rank for several sites? do you divide the 30 submissions between sites or do you alternate one month site a next month site b etc?

    what do you do when you want to rank for several keywords? do you use 30 keywords once, or 10 keywords 3 times or do you submit 3 keywords 10 times?

    do you track your keywords and keep submitting them until you are satisfied with the ranking and move on to the next ones?

    i'm just trying to learn the in's and out's of this valuable resource so your help is appreciated.

    thank you;
    maryjane
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      That's when you need to get in touch with yours truly

      Need deep linking to inner pages of your site?

      Have 3-4-10 different niches with multiple keywords each?

      These were some of the issues I was personally experiencing and had to come up with a more "scaleable" solution.

      Originally Posted by maryjane123 View Post

      all you fans of angelas backlinks care to explain the strategies used when using the system?

      what do you do if you want to rank for several sites? do you divide the 30 submissions between sites or do you alternate one month site a next month site b etc?

      what do you do when you want to rank for several keywords? do you use 30 keywords once, or 10 keywords 3 times or do you submit 3 keywords 10 times?

      do you track your keywords and keep submitting them until you are satisfied with the ranking and move on to the next ones?

      i'm just trying to learn the in's and out's of this valuable resource so your help is appreciated.

      thank you;
      maryjane
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  • Profile picture of the author jen31
    I think its ok to use different accounts as long as you promote different products and sites. But to be safe, just make your link building natural.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    Not a problem Ashley, glad it makes sense.

    And MaryJane, you can build up backlinks to multiple websites through the same forums/blogs/social bookmarking sites etc, such as the ones found in Angela's pack.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    I didn't mean any discourtesy 4morereferrals, I just get the feeling a lot of the posters here seem to be chiming in needlessly and this will only confuse the OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    Originally Posted by AshleyAA View Post

    I created several profiles for each site, so like 3 different email address for each site. Then posted and left my backlinks to a 3 different urls i wanted ranked well.
    On a phpBB control panel you typically can't tell which members registered from the same IP. It will show, however, if there are posts from multiple IDs all using the same IP. It is a simple matter for an Admin to block not only that IP address but the entire address range for that ISP. Many Admins are reluctant to do so or don't understand the panel well enough to do so.

    I haven't heard of any forums that have started tracking folks down yet, but I can say that I know some keep records of the IP addresses of spam posters, the whois data, and what was posted from those addresses.
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