Penguin 2.1: Even more Negative SEO?

SO then you got slapped by the last algo right?

Only on sites where I sent lots of automated link spam to Tier 1. On sites that were ranked with our network or with multi-tier where Tier 2 was all "white hat" so to speak and Tier 3 is the one that was blasted with links, those all survived.

BTW Mike I love your signature, so true about link networks!!! It almost works TOO well on local SEO, stuff ranks so fast the client thinks they're done and wants to cancel.

Welcome to SEO.

I work with clients in finance/gambling niches that have dedicated negative SEO departments.

Its only going to get worse, so strap in

The 301 method doesn't work as well as it used to now though. You could use it for either positively ranking a site or negatively depending how you set the 301 up.

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I saw a site that was #1 yesterday get bumped to #11 overnight.
This is a niche that a popular IM guy was doing a case study for so there are a lot of copycats and I'm assuming someone blasted the #1 guy with links. Gonna be interesting to see how all this pans out.

Negative SEO will be a problem for those who are in the vulnerable (likely spamming) niche like SEO, Social Media services such as YouTube views e.t.c.

If you hang out on a decent niche where only cool people engage then you're likely to harbor in a safe environment.

Not withstanding, negative SEO isn't much of a headache if you disregard the spamming links using Google Disavow and relevant authority links.

I am sure there is a lot of negative SEO going on in highly profitable hobby niches.

For example, supplements and weight loss, lots of money there, lots of negative SEO there.

Theres a correlation between serp value and negative SEO influence.

Theres very little money in knitting, as such there is no negative SEO.

Granted there are certain everygreen niches like you said, where you need to create 2000 page authority sites in order to make $200 a day, which is fine, and you are unlikely to be SEOd, but in order to make the big money, you need to deal with this shit. Or be a brand that is so big that your immune, or of course, not rely too heavily on SEO.

Just an example in my niche, a massive brand (used to rank top 3 for bingo) was penalized by penguin 2.0. They do TV adverts all the time, their brand name gets 30k searches a month, they were either negative SEOd or penguin penalized, when you search their name now, the top 10 are just all affiliates, they don't even rank for their name.

Personally i think it makes google look stupid, whether they will correct/stop this i dont know.

I don't think we are really disagreeing. There are definitely certain niches that seem to attract "shit heads" though

Its an insanity to know.

I can kill your site for the price of a vps with GScraper and Xrumer pre-installed. $70..

It would cost me $70 to take down your living...How disgusting does that sound?

And thats pretty much where we are heading. The top of every SERP will be more like the march through the gates of Auschwitz. New sites only lasting weeks and de-indexed. As the larger authority sites continue to grow beyond their needs.

Simply speaking, every small to medium site will be penalized out of existence. All placed in the never neverland called "disavow and reconsideration request". And when they get out, they'll get whacked again.

It plays into the hands of Big Corpa and Google. As they chuggle along buying up whats valuable online and we destroy each other.

Throw a big stick between them, and watch them fight to the death.

We won't even talk about the report spam button.
LOLZ

BTW. You don't need neg SEO to take down a site. There are far easier and instant things that can cause a lot of damage. I would just never have the heart to do it. Its just bad karma.

Classic IM warrior SEo doo-daah mistake.

Thanks for pointing that out.

There is more money in gambling than in knitting. I win.

I just think you need to stop selling whatever tat they're selling you. I know you're one of the good guys in disseminating decent SEO. I understand that you made a shed-load of dollars in the gambling niches previously.

I watched along with a couple of other guys in one of my niches as the links poured in. Over a 48 hour period 4 days ago around 22,000 links witnessed by majestic seo update a day or so later. Also the number of ping back notifications pouring into the sites notification area. Looking at them it was a $70 dollar tool. Destroyed my rankings by last night. Not that I care that much. Google provide less than 20% of my buying traffic. And that's my take away. If Google is this dumb and so easy to con.... You'd be better off not relying on them at all.