SOLUTION: You Got Penalized But Still Get Traffic From Other Sources Like Yahoo/Bing?

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We all say it so easily, we got penalized and get the suggestion to just move the site to a new domain.

But what if you still get return traffic?

You can't setup a 301 redirect as that passes on the penalty sooner then later.

And an empty screen with Click here to Continue also looks a bit noobish.

The solution is easier then you think though, so let's get started (I already posted this in another thread but thought it deserves it's own thread).

What we are going to do is block Google from our website, and for that we use the robots.txt and .htaccess file. Why both? Why not, better be sure.

You find both the robots.txt and .htaccess file in your /public_html/ folder at your hosting, sometimes the htaccess file is invisible so in that case you make it visible in Filezilla FTP or you use the file manager which mostly shows it by default.

1: Add the following to your robots.txt:

Code:
User-agent: Googlebot
Disallow: /
2: Add the following to your .htaccess file:

Code:
Options +FollowSymLinks
#block Google
RewriteEngine On 
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Googlebot.*$ [NC,OR]
RewriteRule ^.*.* http://www.siteyouwantgoogletoredirectto.com/ [L]
This guarantees that Google won't be able to visit your website anymore and thus it will get deindexed after time.

However that can take a while and we don't have that much time as time = money.

So we login or signup for Google Webmasters, we use the URL removal tool (that you find under Google Index -> Remove URL's) and enter each URL manually.

Too many url's? Then login to your FTP or File Manager and find out how many folders you have there, write them down and remove them with Google's URL removal tool, selecting the option "Remove Directory" after you pasted the url of your directory.

Easy as that.

Disclaimer: Don't move your site to a new domain until the site is completely deindexed in Google.

TIP: Do you have valuable back links and isn't the traffic from Bing/Yahoo to impressive? Contact the site owners and ask them to move your link to your new domain!

Extra: Sure you can also wait till the penalty gets lifted but that can take forever and it isn't any guaranteed that you'll ever rank as well as before again.

Extra TIP: Quit building spammy links and also check out my other thread here to prevent site errors and duplicate content as a penalty is always a combination of factors so start with a clean sheet instead of making the same mistakes over and over.

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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    PS: Did you just buy some expired high PR domains to build your own private network?

    Then you can use the very same code in your robots.txt and .htaccess file and prevent back link crawlers from sniffing on your site. It's also a great way to reduce bandwith being used by worthless bots that visit your site (also handy in case of money sites btw).

    You just have to figure out the name of those bots, here a few to get started:
    • AhrefsBot
    • MJ12bot
    • rogerbot

    This will block Ahrefs, Majestic and OpenSiteExplorer from your sites. It's important that you block these bots in both robots.txt and .htaccess cause some of them simply ignore the .htaccess file and others ignore the robots.txt.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If you think Google buried your site & you don't care, why bother blocking Google?
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If you think Google buried your site & you don't care, why bother blocking Google?
      This. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by blocking? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        If you think Google buried your site & you don't care, why bother blocking Google?
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        This. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by blocking? :confused:
        It is to be lazy and not develop new content. His thought is that you can just use the exact same website on a new domain, and Google will not be any wiser to it.

        However, my question would be how do you know that just because Google deindexes a website that it doesn't store the content in a separate database somewhere for 3 months, or a year, or 2 years?

        This would need some extensive testing before I would even consider it.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          It's already proven by many to work.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            It's already proven by many to work.
            Not by anyone trustworthy.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Not by anyone trustworthy.
              If you rather wait till Moz or something confirms then enjoy waiting.

              Maybe you should think why Google penalized the site in the first place. Because the site was total crap or cause the links were bought or heavily spammed.

              Often the latter, sometimes combination of, but if the latter why would Google bother that that site comes back alive again under a different domain name.

              And who forbids people to keep the old site a live?

              There's nothing sketchy about this, the new domain has to start from zero again with new back links so totally fair game.
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              • Profile picture of the author micksss
                So it's been a couple of months now nik0 anything new to report on your method? I'm thinking of trying it out on one of my sites that still gets traffic from Yahoo and Bing soon...
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                If you rather wait till Moz or something confirms then enjoy waiting.

                Maybe you should think why Google penalized the site in the first place. Because the site was total crap or cause the links were bought or heavily spammed.

                Often the latter, sometimes combination of, but if the latter why would Google bother that that site comes back alive again under a different domain name.

                And who forbids people to keep the old site a live?

                There's nothing sketchy about this, the new domain has to start from zero again with new back links so totally fair game.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Preventing Google to reindex it after you deindexed it using the URL removal tool.
              Yeah I get it now, kill it in Google and leave it alone in the other SERPS. I have an old recipe site that died a while back but still gets a decent amount of traffic from Bing so I decided to just leave it alone. Didn't even think of reviving it this way though. The site has about 370 something pages indexed and it would be a shame to waste that. Thanks.

              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Not by anyone trustworthy.
              It's not all that difficult of a "theory" to test. Try it and see for yourself.
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          It is to be lazy and not develop new content. His thought is that you can just use the exact same website on a new domain, and Google will not be any wiser to it.

          However, my question would be how do you know that just because Google deindexes a website that it doesn't store the content in a separate database somewhere for 3 months, or a year, or 2 years?

          This would need some extensive testing before I would even consider it.
          Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. Yes re-indexing deindexed content does work, I've done it myself on more than a few occasions with no problem except for one instance where the site wouldn't rank for crap. Turned out to be a problem with the new domain i'd bought that apparently had been owned by a spammer. What are the chances of that happening right? The content got indexed just fine but the site wouldn't rank for anything. Scraped the site and moved the content once again and everything's just fine.

          I know others that scrape de-indexed content from the wayback machine and use it for backlink content. Sounds a bit unethical but yes I did try this too, stopped though because it's waaaayyyyy too time consuming.

          And I wouldn't exactly call this strategy "lazy". If you've got a decent amount of good, useful and well-written content then it would be a complete waste of money to have it written all over again IMO.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

            And I wouldn't exactly call this strategy "lazy". If you've got a decent amount of good, useful and well-written content then it would be a complete waste of money to have it written all over again IMO.
            Exactly, and why would Google force you to write new content when you already have great content. It already punished you by tanking the site that it was on, makes no sense to punish you buy letting you spend extra hours or money on new content.

            People sometimes totally forget the basics and only thing that Google is out there to make it as hard as possible while all they want is that you don't manipulate the search results.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Exactly, and why would Google force you to write new content when you already have great content. It already punished you by tanking the site that it was on, makes no sense to punish you buy letting you spend extra hours or money on new content.
              "If" I was in Google's shoes it would just be too much of a hassle. Hard to justify the cost vs benefit of them keeping a HUGE database of every single piece of content ever published on the web and then cross referencing that with newly crawled content. On top of that they'd punish a lot of innocent people trying to move their sites without a 301.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          However, my question would be how do you know that just because Google deindexes a website that it doesn't store the content in a separate database somewhere for 3 months, or a year, or 2 years?
          I've done something similar. A while back I would rank a page for one keyword, then edit the page content/title to target a different relevant keyword, I waited for the 2nd keyword to rank then went back & changed everything to the first keyword & the page held both SERP positions. Ranked 1 page with 1/2 the keywords/content for 2 main keywords (single page). I did this on multiple pages it was all consistent. Maybe all the Google servers are slow about syncing or they do keep tabs on old pages & old SERP positions.
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          • Profile picture of the author dennis09
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            I've done something similar. A while back I would rank a page for one keyword, then edit the page content/title to target a different relevant keyword, I waited for the 2nd keyword to rank then went back & changed everything to the first keyword & the page held both SERP positions. Ranked 1 page with 1/2 the keywords/content for 2 main keywords (single page). I did this on multiple pages it was all consistent. Maybe all the Google servers are slow about syncing or they do keep tabs on old pages & old SERP positions.
            Interesting, are you still holding both positions now?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        This. What exactly are you trying to accomplish by blocking? :confused:
        Preventing Google to reindex it after you deindexed it using the URL removal tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Alright, lazy was the wrong word.

    However, I've helped a few people in similar situations. The solution I have always opted for, and one that can potentially be much more profitable, is to leave the original site up just the way it is, and build a new one with all new content. Then work to correct whatever was wrong with the original site while also working to rank the new site.

    Worst case scenario, the old site never comes back in Google but continues to generate traffic from its other sources. Best case scenario, you recover the old site and rank the new site. Now you own even more Google real estate on page one.

    I think it is a far better option than all this deindexing a site in Google stuff. I would only do that if the site is not ranking in any of the major search engines. In that case, you have nothing to lose.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Alright, lazy was the wrong word.

      However, I've helped a few people in similar situations. The solution I have always opted for, and one that can potentially be much more profitable, is to leave the original site up just the way it is, and build a new one with all new content. Then work to correct whatever was wrong with the original site while also working to rank the new site.

      Worst case scenario, the old site never comes back in Google but continues to generate traffic from its other sources. Best case scenario, you recover the old site and rank the new site. Now you own even more Google real estate on page one.

      I think it is a far better option than all this deindexing a site in Google stuff. I would only do that if the site is not ranking in any of the major search engines. In that case, you have nothing to lose.
      It depends.

      If you spammed your site to the top there won't be much left after disavowing so then my suggested option would be the better choice.

      If the site has plenty of legit links then your solution would be better indeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekjansen
    Great tip Nik0. Another option I've seen works pretty well is a 302 redirect. Theoretically Google does not pass link juice or penalties through a 302. I've used it a couple times and had no problems.

    Would be keen to know if anyone has experience in this regard?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by derekjansen View Post

      Great tip Nik0. Another option I've seen works pretty well is a 302 redirect. Theoretically Google does not pass link juice or penalties through a 302. I've used it a couple times and had no problems.

      Would be keen to know if anyone has experience in this regard?
      I used to advice that for some time till I heard from different sources that Google caught on to that and that 302's also pass penalties. Haven't tried it myself though.
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  • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
    Horrible horrible advice, sorry but what's the point of doing this? Fix the problem and not do this work around. I cannot comprehend why you'd recommend doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by FranksToys View Post

      Horrible horrible advice, sorry but what's the point of doing this? Fix the problem and not do this work around. I cannot comprehend why you'd recommend doing this.
      Often sites don't have any links left to rank based on after disavow.

      Disavow is no guarantee to get a penalty lifted.

      Often it's easier/faster to just build a new site.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
    Nice post NikO thats a really interesting idea ! I`ll have to remember to chat with you about this sorry I haven`t called you back but to be honest today is the first day I`ve been back to full health I`ve had a terrible time with Thai flu lol could not get rid of it !
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

      Nice post NikO thats a really interesting idea ! I`ll have to remember to chat with you about this sorry I haven`t called you back but to be honest today is the first day I`ve been back to full health I`ve had a terrible time with Thai flu lol could not get rid of it !
      No problem, I wasn't feeling that well myself either after all the partying during christmas / new year and after lol.

      Right now I'm at Koh Samet and decided to stay here for an extra week or so to catch up with my work on a quite beach in a wooden bungalow looking over the beach/ocean from my balcony, not such a bad setup to work from. Pattaya is so full of distractions that it's sometimes good to take a break from it.

      I plan to stay here till around the 20th this month, then back to Pattaya for 10 days and then I'll be heading to Chiang Mai as my visa will expire half February so it's easy to make a trip to Burma from there I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        No problem, I wasn't feeling that well myself either after all the partying during christmas / new year and after lol.

        Right now I'm at Koh Samet and decided to stay here for an extra week or so to catch up with my work on a quite beach in a wooden bungalow looking over the beach/ocean from my balcony, not such a bad setup to work from. Pattaya is so full of distractions that it's sometimes good to take a break from it.

        I plan to stay here till around the 20th this month, then back to Pattaya for 10 days and then I'll be heading to Chiang Mai as my visa will expire half February so it's easy to make a trip to Burma from there I guess.
        I`ll call you on the 20th enjoy yourself!
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