Straight from the Horses Mouth about SEO as of lately...

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I know I lisstened to this video back in May by Matt Cutts and where Google was going with SEO but I thought I would put a quote or so of what he said back then to help you guys who are struggling with SEO and the Penguin updates

Matt says "
If you are doing high quality content whenever you are doing SEO it shouldn't be a big surprise you shouldn't have to worry about a lot of different changes. If you have been hanging out on lot of black hat forums and trading different types of spamming package tips and that sort of stuff then it might be more of an eventful Summer for you."

Matt, also goes on to say the Algos are really being formulated as to identify which Sites are really Authoritative Sites. How they do this is debatable.

Maybe, time spent on site, sites naturally linked to your site, age of site, bounce rate etc...

That is some speculation but I think it is possible some of these variables may determine Authority for a Site.

Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author davidmcsweeney
    For me, the best way to SEO your site now is to actually forget about SEO (the external stuff, i.e. link building in its traditional form, on site optimisation is still important). Concentrate on producing great content, providing true value to your audience and promoting that content through social media and fostering genuine relationships with other sites in your niche. Build traffic through referrals and social shares at first and the traffic from google will come anyway... and more importantly you won't have to worry about any future updates slapping you down.

    Unfortunately there is still a lot of disinformation telling you that you still need thousands of links to rank your site, when actually one link, genuinely earned from an authority site will do your site much more good rankings wise.
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  • Profile picture of the author cagliostro
    bull*

    Without proper links you have nothing. Almost nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Long term SEO has always been links from relevant domains not just single relevant pages on sites that target hundreds of random niches, it's the one thing Google can't reject (overall relevancy).

    If I'm selling car rims/tires (example) it's normal to have links on automotive sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Google is not a horse and Matt Cutts is too chubby to be its jockey even if it was.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeadStartSEO
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Long term SEO has always been links from relevant domains not just single relevant pages on sites that target hundreds of random niches, it's the one thing Google can't reject (overall relevancy).

      If I'm selling car rims/tires (example) it's normal to have links on automotive sites.

      Good point,

      For everyone else,

      First rule of SEO is to never listen to Matt Cutts. They have no reason to tell you how things work in reality, just promotion of ideas. Do some serp searches right now, look at the top dogs. SEO is still mostly fueled by links.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    Matt says "
    If you are doing high quality content whenever you are doing SEO it shouldn't be a big surprise you shouldn't have to worry about a lot of different changes.
    Total BS. I get so tired of seeing this crap. Google cannot possibly tell what is quality content and what isn't. In fact, only experts in a given subject can tell if info is valid or bogus. And sometimes, even the experts will disagree.

    Google can look for back links that it deems to come from relevant sites and guess that since the back links appear to be from what it deems to be relevant sites, then the subject site has good info. But it is only a guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior View Post

      Total BS. I get so tired of seeing this crap. Google cannot possibly tell what is quality content and what isn't. In fact, only experts in a given subject can tell if info is valid or bogus. And sometimes, even the experts will disagree.
      As I said before if you have people on average staying on your Site for 8 minutes, with a bounce rate of 30%, and avg. Page visit 6.3 , then could this be a stellar variable Google could gauge to see if something is of quality ??

      Just throwing that out there

      Robert
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      • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        As I said before if you have people on average staying on your Site for 8 minutes, with a bounce rate of 30%, and avg. Page visit 6.3 , then could this be a stellar variable Google could gauge to see if something is of quality ??

        Just throwing that out there

        Robert
        If you have sub-par content but get people to stay on your site with an 8 minute video, does that count as a stellar variable? Or, what with all this talk about so-called 'incredible' content, that every webmaster and his sister creates 'amazing, drool all over till your face turns numb because of the awesomely wonderful and beautifully crafted content that angels fly out your ass its so incredibly great content', how are they able to distinguish which piece is better and more worthy of higher spots in the ranking? Well, I guess that in theory, more people linking to your site breaks the tie, doesn't it? I don't know.. just how great can content be anyways? Is every webmaster in the world supposed to be Ernest fu*king Hemmingway? I guess us average joe's have to hire them. Which means that you need to know nothing at all about what your site's about, as long as you have the $$$ to hire someone who can make it look like you do. So in the end, Google really cares nothing about you. As long as their precious little search engine resembles an Encyclopedia Brittanica, everybody's happy. Arent we happy yet? I'm happy. I'm freakin ecstatic! And you should be too!! All of us here in Happy Googleland!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author ViViD
          Links are important. How important quality content is depends on what niche you are working in and also what quality other sites are in that niche. There are variables for just about everything online, but the basics goes back to links. If you want to be at the top in a medium competitive niche then you need links and social to back it up.

          The type and quality of links obviously is important, but you don't just rank on good content. If that was the case I would have stopped link building a long time ago. Of course Google wants you to believe that great content is rewarded. They aren't quite there yet though. When that day comes I will lay down my link tools and come to the so called good side of SEO. Until then I will continue to dominate the SERPS with links along with signals Google picks up on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

          If you have sub-par content but get people to stay on your site with an 8 minute video, does that count as a stellar variable? Or, what with all this talk about so-called 'incredible' content, that every webmaster and his sister creates 'amazing, drool all over till your face turns numb because of the awesomely wonderful and beautifully crafted content that angels fly out your ass its so incredibly great content', how are they able to distinguish which piece is better and more worthy of higher spots in the ranking? Well, I guess that in theory, more people linking to your site breaks the tie, doesn't it? I don't know.. just how great can content be anyways? Is every webmaster in the world supposed to be Ernest fu*king Hemmingway? I guess us average joe's have to hire them. Which means that you need to know nothing at all about what your site's about, as long as you have the $$$ to hire someone who can make it look like you do. So in the end, Google really cares nothing about you. As long as their precious little search engine resembles an Encyclopedia Brittanica, everybody's happy. Arent we happy yet? I'm happy. I'm freakin ecstatic! And you should be too!! All of us here in Happy Googleland!!!
          You on the sauce tonight? I love it..
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Modern SEO: money talks and bull***t walks..

    If you can spend enough cash you can create enough content/purchase links to get by. If not, you're facing an uphill battler.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      So I assuming that most of you guys do not believe that highly incredible quaility content will get you to the top ? ( With not much emphasis on back linking )

      You know like build it and they will come ?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        So I assuming that most of you guys do not believe that highly incredible quaility content will get you to the top ? ( With not much emphasis on back linking )

        You know like build it and they will come ?
        That's the stuff dreams (AKA Field of Dreams) are made of.

        SEO isn't content quality, content quality is what's needed after SEO, for retaining traffic.

        I have multiple sites targeting the same niche, I average 7 page views per unique traffic across all those domains. My content is good, I've been running a traffic survey the last couple of weeks, I dropped all ads on the sites (for now). The majority of my survey responses have been saying they want more of the same content, don't change anything, which wasn't what I expected to happen.

        I'm proud of my sites & the content, the content is based on an offline 9 year career, it's what I know how to do.

        Here's the thing. I know my content is good but I know I have competition that has content that's way better than what I have to offer. When I built my sites, my goal was to pump out decent quality content/pages as fast as possible. I create all my own content/pages on my own, it took me a few years to get a few thousand pages across all my domains.

        I usually outrank my competition for keywords I target. I'm not bragging, it's all SEO, it's optimized text and internal/external links in the right places.

        BTW, my sites are evergreen download sites where each page averages around 1 sentence of text per page as a short content description. The actual content is in the downloadable file (per page).

        I've got the SEO down (optimized text/links), my goal for 2014 is to overhaul my sites & get them setup as full blown ecommerce sites selling my own products (downloads).

        Anyways, content alone won't rank pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Modern SEO: money talks and bull***t walks..

      If you can spend enough cash you can create enough content/purchase links to get by. If not, you're facing an uphill battler.
      By modern you mean 1997?

      It's always been either spend money & hire someone else to do SEO or invest your own time. Nothing has changed with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    So basically it's relevant backlinks and quality content you can depend upon.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    >>
    if you are doing high quality content whenever you are doing SEO it shouldn't be a big surprise you shouldn't have to worry about a lot of different changes.
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    I "kind of" agree with this. This is so funny because I just came back from a blog where someone stated how extremely important keyword research SUPPOSEDLY IS (after Hummingbird) and "if you need content you need to make a list of good keywords and analyze them".

    This is just not the case anymore.

    Hummingbird is indeed about "good content" and even less so about focusing on "keywords". (In fact over-optimized pages are getting slapped, especially pages which optimized for long-tail keywords).

    Hummingbird is about more flexibility in terms of "keywords", it's about that Google is getting smarter recognizing relevant content...also from interpreting what they call "conventional speech patters"...aka "how people talk in real life".

    "You do not need to worry if you do high quality content" is insofar correct because "high quality content" will definitely satisfy their more wider criteria WHAT exactly is relevant..away from thinking in "keywords" and "search phrases".

    I always say: It's Google's job to determine relevancy from good content - NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    (If, say, a scientist writes a paper about nuclear fusion...and Google is "too stupid" to determine and see the relevancy of the paper to the subject, it's Google's problem, not the writer's problem).

    The funny thing is that "good content" and backlinks goes hand-in-hand. (Of course I won't deny it's not always the case in practice because you STILL will have to build your links in "real life", regardless what Cutts says)...but hypothetically speaking it's of course "quality content" which automatically makes people link to it. (What else should the criterion be?)

    Also.."relevant backlinks"...yes...this is obvious..but it's also A LOT about "social signals". Many links and mentioning on social media are not necessarily "relevant"...but they are a HUGE factor today.
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    Matt says "
    If you are doing high quality content whenever you are doing SEO it shouldn't be a big surprise you shouldn't have to worry about a lot of different changes. If you have been hanging out on lot of black hat forums and trading different types of spamming package tips and that sort of stuff then it might be more of an eventful Summer for you."
    Since when Cutts the horse of SEO?

    I can't believe you did not listen to this in, oh say a few months back?
    This is November. Summer has been over for quite some time.

    Nothing new then either. The more people try and shmooze the algo,
    the more the algo will try and stop it.

    Absolutely nothing new then, and certainly old info is old info either way
    you slice it.

    I think people just come up with all sorts of ways to start a thread to spam
    a link. This thread most assuredly did not need to have been started.

    What is one supposed to think about people asking about old info that
    they just discovered?

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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    ...If you are doing high quality content whenever you are doing SEO it shouldn't be a big surprise you shouldn't have to worry about a lot of different changes. If you have been hanging out on lot of black hat forums and trading different types of spamming package tips and that sort of stuff then it might be more of an eventful Summer for you."
    I normally discount most of what Matt says. His sole role is to be the Minster of Propaganda when it comes to SEO, and he's been caught "misdirecting" more often than not.

    But this particular line got my attention. And frankly it's something I've always thought Google should be doing, but wasn't. Maybe they're about to.

    Think about this for a minute... what would stop Google from using analytics data to determine who was going to blackhat forums and simply factor that in to de-value their own pages? Google already knows who YOU are and what sites you run... they're set up under your Google Analytics account, and set up under Google Webmaster Tools. They're running ads from your Google Adsense account. They know who you are, and what sites you own. So why not compare that data to the visitor data on the blackhat sites? Now they know which sites are owned by people who go there.

    So is that what he's implying here? Personally I think it's bogus, if Google really wanted to "fight search spam" they could simply kick all of the sites out of Google that are owned by people who frequent black hat sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Google already knows who YOU are and what sites you run... they're set up under your Google Analytics account, and set up under Google Webmaster Tools. They're running ads from your Google Adsense account. They know who you are, and what sites you own. So why not compare that data to the visitor data on the blackhat sites? Now they know which sites are owned by people who go there.
      So you seriously believe we all use G Analytics and/or Google adsense?
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        So you seriously believe we all use G Analytics and/or Google adsense?
        No, but plenty of those sites run Google Analytics - you're being tracked if you visit them, then Google could see you log into Webmaster tools and know who you are/what sites you're responsible for. My point is that if Google really wanted to deal a heavy blow to the black hat space they could. But they don't.
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        • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          No, but plenty of those sites run Google Analytics - you're being tracked if you visit them, then they could see you log into Webmaster tools and know who you are/what sites you're responsible for. My point is that if Google really wanted to deal a heavy blow to the black hat space they could. But they don't.
          Google has no control over 90% of black hat. You are probably only partially aware of what black hat really is at best.
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          • Profile picture of the author ronrule
            Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

            Google has no control over 90% of black hat. You are probably only partially aware of what black hat really is at best.
            That wasn't my point at all... What I am saying is its another empty threat from Matt Cutts. If Google wanted to punish people for hanging out in black hat forums, as his message indicated, they could do this pretty easily. They know who goes there. They have the data and could easily establish a relationship between people who own sites and people who visit black hat forums. But they don't and probably aren't going to.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I don't think that google cares about "people going to blackhat forums". I am pretty sure Cutts is on there himself. People can go on those forums all-the-time, it's about their websites, not about what forums they frequent.
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    Keyword research is dead, SEO is dead, Wordpress is a footprint and links don't matter.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Keyword research is dead, SEO is dead, Wordpress is a footprint and links don't matter.


      Forums are dead too. No one posts on them anymore since Facebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyisonline
    Google always likes to ACT like they know every dang thing about every dang thing. But if you've tried to seriously search anything since Hummingbird your results will demonstrate that they are fooling their arrogant little selves. Their topic assumption engine is pretty flipping annoying.

    To think they actually have the resources and time on a PERSONAL level to track the sites you visit is just as arrogant and self-centered at best. With the kajillions of users they have, they can't afford to fly a black helicopters over every single presumed bad guy's house. Have you ever tried to manage data on even a few thousand ever changing items, or suckers? Pfff.

    Everything they do has to be done in aggregate. Like when they whipped through neighborhoods stealing weak wi-fi passwords instead of knocking on each door...it was nothing personal. And how many times was that denied?? And they are the good guys??

    All of their penalties on spammers is from collecting footprints in aggregate. And if you were a good guy but unfortunately and innocently left the same 11 toed footprint as the 11 toed black hatters, well....NO SOUP FOR YOU either!

    The idea is to SPAM to your heart's little glee...as long as you leave the exact same 10 toed footprint that all the purists leave. Plain and simple. Don't believe everything you read or hear...especially mind-control from less than honest behemoths.
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