Fake Name on Domain Registration vs Private?

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Is it ok to just lie on your registration info instead of using Privacy?
I've heard G has the power to see past the privacy anyway..

Thoughts?
#domain #fake #private #registration
  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    Since when is it ok to lie? .. let alone what you are proposing is illegal.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Google is technically a registrar which supposedly gives them access beyond WhoIs privacy. I've never heard them actually talk about it or discuss if they use it or not.

    Anyhow, the probably with using fake information is that the registrar could take the domain if they find out or if something comes up and you need to prove your identity, you will be unable to do so. Again you would lose the domain.

    For that reason, I've never considered using fake info. Costs about $300 to setup an LLC in my state. Much easier just to register a few of them as long as you don't have an accountant that rapes you at tax time.
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Google is technically a registrar which supposedly gives them access beyond WhoIs privacy. .
      That has always been my understanding, but I have been told very assertively that this is not the case.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

        That has always been my understanding, but I have been told very assertively that this is not the case.
        Everything I have read on registrars has indicated its an urban myth. Whois privacy providers keep their data at the registrar level and only share it pending litigation. when registerfly went belly up their ownership data was a huge problem. Being another registrar didn't help then because whois privacy issues are NOT stored in publicly accessible servers. They are company specific. Google furthermore would have a whopper of a lawsuit if they snooped past paid for privacy services just to help them in a totally unrelated business

        Why did Google become a registrar?

        They wanted to be able too see if a domain had changed hands previous to their checking. Normally if a domain changed hands its impossible to know unless you had more robust access (NOT whois privacy data). Domain Tools for example has such historical data.

        Unlike all the urban legends this is not conjecture its part of the ICANN records here

        ICANN | Archives | Domain Name Marketplace Workshop Real-Time Captioning | 27 June 2006

        >>VINT CERF: Could I add one question which is irrelevant to the whole proposal, which I find intriguing by the way and it might not be Paul who answers it. It might be Pat Kane.
        When a domain name has expired, and then it's re-assigned to someone else, what happens to the SOA record for that domain name as to its start date? Does that change automatically or does it stay the same or are there circumstances where a domain name changes hands but it doesn't look like it has if you are looking at its birth date?
        >>PAT KANE: If a name is transferred, the date stays the same.
        >>VINT CERF: Okay. So that's a problem for Google. And it's one of the reasons that we became a registrar, but it didn't help.
        We were hoping that we could detect that something had changed hands and that, therefore, we should invalidate a lot of things sitting in the cache that referred to the former content of that domain name.

        >>PAUL STAHURA: I can answer that. You can still do that because you can monitor the WHOIS and if you see the WHOIS change, then you note the date.
        >>JOTHAN FRAKES: There's a service called domain tools --
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  • Profile picture of the author crete
    Many people do it and don't be fooled there is nobody checking...
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    If they don't check (verify it) you might be safe BUT if they do?? You may loose your domain. It all about taking the risk, you may go with it or not. I will recommend to go for privacy options as this also gives you piece of mind for just around $10 a year per domain privacy.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnbrown12
    Mike is absolutely right...
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by The Oilman View Post

    Howdy
    Is it ok to just lie on your registration info instead of using Privacy?
    I've heard G has the power to see past the privacy anyway..

    Thoughts?
    If you want really privacy then I suggest you use a common alias like Robert Smith, Rob Johnson, or Sandra Jones and choose a random address from Google Maps.

    That way you can be pretty certain that even the NSA would have to go to a lot of trouble to work out the true owner.

    And if you want to be even more untraceable use a fresh outlook email account and disposable credit card to pay for it.

    Is it illegal? Maybe, depends on the laws in your country.
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