Don't waste time with SEO

It depends. I have clients that generate thousands of visitors a day and I have smaller clients that generate only about 150 per day. They are all free in the end and they do convert. So it works but it just depends on how smart your strategy is and how you execute your SEO.

There's no new or old rules. Don't "spam" and you can rank your sites/pages for years. There's no loopholes, just as any other job, it requires some hard work, learning and patience. Rankings don't come overnight, but there's HUGE ROI.

The keyword stuffed (make money online quickly) pages on OPs site says a lot.

There's no SEO going on there, more like negative SEO, lol.

my main focus is on social media now, try it and you won't have to fight with Google

As per my experience I feel both Organic and Paid way of generating traffic is good. Both of them have their own share in the business. If you are looking for a stable and solid goals for a long term planning "SEO" is best, However if you would like to to get things rolling fast to for "Paid" way of generating traffic. Both of them have their own pros and Cons.
In Paid traffic you will get the lead till the time you are putting your money in so its like old railway machine. The more you enter your coal, More you will get the results but having said that smart work is what a professional can do for you.
Organic way is cheap but last for a longer time. You create your credibility in the market and establish yourselves on Search Engine Platform.

Hope this Helps. Thanks

In my experience, organic traffic just converts much better than paid traffic, but this could just be the way I do things..

Nope, if you get a handful of homepage backlinks (good quality) pointed to your domain, you will rank fairly easily.

So SEO is not THAT random lol.

Organic traffic will always have a higher CTR because google has narrowed them down for you. Paid traffic can be good depending on how specialised you niche is.

I am a fan of SEO but it is time consuming when you start out. Especially if you are entirely new to the whole industry. I can see why people get disheartened. I have recently been taking a slightly different route post hummingbird and focusing in on website optimization and page-load speed as a platform form which to 'supercharge' your standard SEO practices.

I am yet to apply it to my older affiliate sites so I have no precise results of my own to speak of.

I have been using my personal blog to test it out (i.e. break and fix) and I have now developed a complete 'package' that will walk people through the process. Next up testing.

Does anyone have experience of this? I'd be interested to know your thoughts.

My blog details the process a little but it is mainly just a personal story of getting out of my day job.

You shouldn't specialize in just 1 kind of traffic source. There's too many out there to take advantage of. SEO is a good traffic source but you have to know how to go about it correctly.

This is why you should focus on developing your own private blog network.

SEO is great once you learn how to control the links you are getting, and once you understand what google just loves to eat up.

If you're not willing to do that, well than, paid advertising is probably your best approach.

I've personally spent thousands on SEO and never got an ROI. I've used a guy on Warriors that was LaClearly a spammer and then a pretty respected member of the board that claimed that he could rank the site. It never made it to any money positions before crashing. I spent a lot of my time personally writing content. I used my PPC ads to find the keywords to focus on. I had a site that brought in 2000 monthly visitors with no back linking ever done on my part. Just citations and lots of content. After having a few so called SEO experts work on my site it is now getting 60 visits a month. I do very well with Yahoo and Google PPC.

A word of caution, be very careful who does SEO work on your site. These folks can take a website that you've spent thousands to develop and taint it in no time. I've had to abandon a site that I spent a lot of time and money on. The web designer got paid, the SEOs got paid, and I lost my shirt. I'm sure that there are some reputable SEO providers, but the vast majority are nothing but posers.

"Payed traffic is not so targeted but it is cheap. There is no need of Google and you can get immediate traffic so you can analyse and make decisions."

This is why I would recommend using paid traffic first to see if your website converts. A lot of people waste so much time and money trying to rank for the wrong keywords.

However once you have those keywords which convert you will then want to begin to set up an SEO stratergy and game plan

You can do SEO and be found by people or you can do this,

I believe SEO still stand a chance..But what i have heard over the past days is that people wanted immediate results and that's what discourages most people.With SEO, You must know that it's a long term aspect as much as your business. If your business grows your SEO grows.And for you to have a key word ranked on the first page of google that's a dream come through for your business.I have being doing SEO work for a quite a while now and the level or difficulty keep changing. because Google is constantly updating their algorithm.But, SEO still stand a chance. referrals, paid traffics ads, banners etc. only last for a moment. when your advertising money finish you get no more traffic.Therefore why not work smart not hard , for your keywords to ranked high on google with a technique that works?..In a matter of time people will just start visiting your website automatically .SEO Will always last as long thier are search engines

I agree everyone should quit SEO like they keep doing. It makes it easier for me to rank websites at the end of the day.

Go pay for PPC (like they want you to) and leave SEO for the big boys.

You won't get any cheerleader response from me or from many people. Most people relied on crappy seo services to get them ranked, its not that easy anymore. You need to pay to play or quit buying low quality fiverr links and learn how to do seo. It's really that simple.

"SEO" for me more and more means "UEO" --> User Experience Optimization

It starts already with planning your site, your site's structure and navigation, quality CONTENT obviously etc..etc... this all for me falls under "SEO". (As in: "I want to make a site that has the potential to rank well in Google")

Paid traffic...well obviously it costs. So do banners. Besides I have fun making my sites in a such a way that they potentially rank well.

If Majestic SEO and similar tools are not lying to me, I see plenty of sites today which rank well with surprisingly few back links. So I don't think SEO is an issue (as long as you're not in some ultra competitive niche)...because making a good site is not rocket science neither is acquiring a handful of GOOD links.

The times where you needed to build 1000s and 1000s of crappy links are over anyway. In some way one could say that SEO today is easier. Just keep whatever you're doing natural. Elaborate "bl@ck hat" techniques will only come back to you sooner or later and bite you in the a$$.