Creating a Silo Structure using WordPress

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Here's my quick guide for putting together silo structured website using WordPress. If you don't know what a silo structured website is or why it's used then you have some researching to do outside the scope of this post.

1) Get Your Keywords.

Before I build any pages I do my keyword research. If I found a keyword to rank for, lets say ACNE, I put it into Google's keyword tool, set the Match type to Exact, and make sure I check "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms." I want to make sure I get relevant keyword ideas.

2) Organize and Group Your Keywords.

I sort the results by Local Monthly Searches. I select all of the keywords and export them to a CSV file. I open my CSV file and organize the keywords that are closely related. Using [acne] as my keyword, I would take the results and organize them like so:

[acne treatment]
[best acne treatment]
[acne scar treatment]
[acne treatments]
[natural acne treatment]

[acne rosacea]
[acne vulgaris]
[adult acne]
[baby acne]

[what causes acne]

[acne scar cream]
[jojoba oil acne]
[aloe vera acne]

3) Keyword your Keywords.

What I do next after I grouped my keywords, I give them their own keyword that describes the group. A lot of the times the keyword you are grouping by will be in your list of grouped keywords. For example, in the first group of keywords one of them is [acne treatment]. Since my main site is about [acne] I would make this section about Acne Treatment. What you are doing is labeling these groups because they will become a category or section on your website.

Here's how I would label the above groups:

Acne Treatment (I would also use acne treatments as my keyword)
[best acne treatment]
[acne scar treatment]
[natural acne treatment]

Types of Acne
[acne rosacea]
[acne vulgaris]
[adult acne]
[baby acne]

Acne Products
[acne scar cream]
[jojoba oil acne]
[aloe vera acne]

About
[what causes acne]
This step takes the most time because it is the most crucial. This is setting up how we are going to structure our website by grouping our keywords. Don't be afraid to spend careful time planning before you move on to the next step, creating your pages, because it will make things easier for you down the road.

4) Build the Pages.

Once we are confident with are planned out silo structure, we need to take action and start building our pages. What I like to do is build one silo at a time because it allows me to focus on one group a related keywords.

These pages are the top tier of our silo structure. They are going to act as our mini authority on the topic/keyword. I use WordPress Pages and not Posts. Posts will support these Pages as I will discuss in the next step. For now, use WordPress Pages. These Pages are going to act in the same manner as a WordPress category page would act. You know those WP Category pages, the ones where all of your posts under the same category appear on the same page. We want to use a Page here because a Page gives us more flexibility. It allows us to add our keyword SEO content.

Back to our acne example, you would create a Page called Types of Acne. This page will serve as a gateway to different types of acne. Since we don't have any Types of Acne yet, what you will do next is take the different types of acne in our keyword group in step 3 and make subpages of them under Types of Acne. Now on your Types of Acne page you can create links to your subpages and provide a brief description of each.


This Pages URL: www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/

<h1>Types of Acne</h1>

Acne sucks and it's no fun to have as a teenager. Not all acne is created equal and people suffer from different types of acne.
<h2>Rosacea</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/rosacea
<p>Rosacea is a chronic condition characterized by facial erythema.</p>

<h2>Vulgaris</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/vulgaris
<p>Acne vulgaris is a common human skin disease characterized by areas of skin with seborrhea.</p>

NOTE: Your WordPress theme may or may not support dynamically adding page listings on a page. There may be some plugins that will you do this.

This will also make for a nice menu because you would have on your home page, Types of Acne, with Rosacea, Vulgaris, Adult, Baby as child menus.

5) Power your Pages with Posts.

I like to use Posts to add authority to my Pages. What I do is find one of my Pages I created and create a Post using the same keywords as the Page. I then link the Post to the Page. It's the same concept as writing articles and submitting them to different article directories. What you are doing is making your Page appear to be the authority. What you end up with are different Pages, each with their own set of Posts to back them up/support their keywords.

The trick with posts is you don't want them pointing to pages on different topics. If you created a Products Page with a listing of particular acne products, you can back up that product with a post that is a review of the product. Now you certainly don't want this Post pointing to a different product, so keep your links in order! A Related Articles plugin works nice with posts because they can link keyword related posts.

If you file your posts under one category such as Blog, then make sure you disallow the category page in your robots.txt file. That's because all of your posts will appear listed in the /category/blog/ page and this goes against keeping your posts under the same silo. I tend to structure my WordPress categories to match the same structure as my Pages. It makes it easier for me and plus I prefer order.

Example #1 - Silo of a website




Example #2



Example #3

This is silo example for a company, but it would work the same way for your website. President is your homepage, Vice President, Marketing would be a Category with two sub-categories, Lead Generation and Marketing Development. The vertical bars under these sub-categories would be your articles.

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    This is a good technique specially you gave an example about some keywords which is most difficult part of making a seo optimized page and it made this learning excellent. Thanks a lot for sharing your experiments.
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    • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
      If you file your posts under one category such as Blog, then make sure you disallow the category page in your robots.txt file. That's because all of your posts will appear listed in the /category/blog/ page and this goes against keeping your posts under the same silo. I tend to structure my WordPress categories to match the same structure as my Pages. It makes it easier for me and plus I prefer order.
      Nice informative post. One area I get confused in since I don't work with WordPress sites that much "I'm an HTML guy" is blocking the category with robots.txt. like you state above. If I would file all my posts under the category "BLOG" and block this category with a robots.txt Google will not index the blog posts within this category correct? If this is correct then how will the blog posts help with ranking the pages it is linked too?
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      • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
        Originally Posted by mraffiliate View Post

        Nice informative post. One area I get confused in since I don't work with WordPress sites that much "I'm an HTML guy" is blocking the category with robots.txt. like you state above. If I would file all my posts under the category "BLOG" and block this category with a robots.txt Google will not index the blog posts within this category correct? If this is correct then how will the blog posts help with ranking the pages it is linked too?
        Yes that is correct. My posts are usually displayed on my homepage or another page such as /articles/ so they get picked up there. The permalink structure to my post is www.mydomain.com/%post-name%.
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    Great post. I never knew you could use the silo w/ a WP site.

    good job.
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  • Profile picture of the author John F Kennedy
    Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

    Here's my quick guide for putting together silo structured website using WordPress. If you don't know what a silo structured website is or why it's used then you have some researching to do outside the scope of this post.

    1) Get Your Keywords.

    Before I build any pages I do my keyword research. If I found a keyword to rank for, lets say ACNE, I put it into Google's keyword tool, set the Match type to Exact, and make sure I check "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms." I want to make sure I get relevant keyword ideas.

    2) Organize and Group Your Keywords.

    I sort the results by Local Monthly Searches. I select all of the keywords and export them to a CSV file. I open my CSV file and organize the keywords that are closely related. Using [acne] as my keyword, I would take the results and organize them like so:

    [acne treatment]
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [acne treatments]
    [natural acne treatment]

    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]

    [what causes acne]

    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]

    3) Keyword your Keywords.

    What I do next after I grouped my keywords, I give them their own keyword that describes the group. A lot of the times the keyword you are grouping by will be in your list of grouped keywords. For example, in the first group of keywords one of them is [acne treatment]. Since my main site is about [acne] I would make this section about Acne Treatment. What you are doing is labeling these groups because they will become a category or section on your website.

    Here's how I would label the above groups:

    Acne Treatment (I would also use acne treatments as my keyword)
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [natural acne treatment]
    Types of Acne
    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]
    Acne Products
    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]
    About
    [what causes acne]
    This step takes the most time because it is the most crucial. This is setting up how we are going to structure our website by grouping our keywords. Don't be afraid to spend careful time planning before you move on to the next step, creating your pages, because it will make things easier for you down the road.

    4) Build the Pages.

    Once we are confident with are planned out silo structure, we need to take action and start building our pages. What I like to do is build one silo at a time because it allows me to focus on one group a related keywords.

    These pages are the top tier of our silo structure. They are going to act as our mini authority on the topic/keyword. I use WordPress Pages and not Posts. Posts will support these Pages as I will discuss in the next step. For now, use WordPress Pages. These Pages are going to act in the same manner as a WordPress category page would act. You know those WP Category pages, the ones where all of your posts under the same category appear on the same page. We want to use a Page here because a Page gives us more flexibility. It allows us to add our keyword SEO content.

    Back to our acne example, you would create a Page called Types of Acne. This page will serve as a gateway to different types of acne. Since we don't have any Types of Acne yet, what you will do next is take the different types of acne in our keyword group in step 3 and make subpages of them under Types of Acne. Now on your Types of Acne page you can create links to your subpages and provide a brief description of each.


    This Pages URL: www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/

    <h1>Types of Acne</h1>

    Acne sucks and it's no fun to have as a teenager. Not all acne is created equal and people suffer from different types of acne.
    <h2>Rosacea</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/rosacea
    <p>Rosacea is a chronic condition characterized by facial erythema.</p>
    <h2>Vulgaris</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/vulgaris
    <p>Acne vulgaris is a common human skin disease characterized by areas of skin with seborrhea.</p>
    NOTE: Your WordPress theme may or may not support dynamically adding page listings on a page. There may be some plugins that will you do this.

    This will also make for a nice menu because you would have on your home page, Types of Acne, with Rosacea, Vulgaris, Adult, Baby as child menus.

    5) Power your Pages with Posts.

    I like to use Posts to add authority to my Pages. What I do is find one of my Pages I created and create a Post using the same keywords as the Page. I then link the Post to the Page. It's the same concept as writing articles and submitting them to different article directories. What you are doing is making your Page appear to be the authority. What you end up with are different Pages, each with their own set of Posts to back them up/support their keywords.

    The trick with posts is you don't want them pointing to pages on different topics. If you created a Products Page with a listing of particular acne products, you can back up that product with a post that is a review of the product. Now you certainly don't want this Post pointing to a different product, so keep your links in order! A Related Articles plugin works nice with posts because they can link keyword related posts.

    If you file your posts under one category such as Blog, then make sure you disallow the category page in your robots.txt file. That's because all of your posts will appear listed in the /category/blog/ page and this goes against keeping your posts under the same silo. I tend to structure my WordPress categories to match the same structure as my Pages. It makes it easier for me and plus I prefer order.
    I read your post looking for anything you missed so that I could contribute to it but you nailed it.

    Yukon had a great image he planted on here from another post that complements the structure

    Well done, great post.
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  • Profile picture of the author outwest
    Ya its hard to follow this with no Yukon type image
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    • Profile picture of the author John F Kennedy



      Originally Posted by outwest View Post

      Ya its hard to follow this with no Yukon type image
      This should help, just open in a new tab to view it
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      • Profile picture of the author mraffiliate
        Originally Posted by John F Kennedy View Post






        This should help, just open in a new tab to view it
        Your images are too small to view
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        • Profile picture of the author athenistic
          Okay, I've been working on this all day, and all I've managed to do is confuse myself more.

          Here's my situation. I'm trying to structure a review site that revolves around.. bungee cords. Lets say my bungee cord reviews can be classed under color, material and usage.

          Let's also say my top keywords are:

          [bungee cords]
          [red bungee cords]
          [springy bungee cords]
          [spelunking bungee cords]
          [blue elastic bungee cords]
          [purple cliff diving bungee cords]
          [nylon skyscraper bungee cords]

          My question is, since I have three distinct categories with relatively equal traffic that all bungee cords fall under, how do I choose which silo to focus on? How can I integrate my other top-level keywords?
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          • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
            Originally Posted by athenistic View Post

            Okay, I've been working on this all day, and all I've managed to do is confuse myself more.

            Here's my situation. I'm trying to structure a review site that revolves around.. bungee cords. Lets say my bungee cord reviews can be classed under color, material and usage.

            Let's also say my top keywords are:

            [bungee cords]
            [red bungee cords]
            [springy bungee cords]
            [spelunking bungee cords]
            [blue elastic bungee cords]
            [purple cliff diving bungee cords]
            [nylon skyscraper bungee cords]

            My question is, since I have three distinct categories with relatively equal traffic that all bungee cords fall under, how do I choose which silo to focus on? How can I integrate my other top-level keywords?
            I would make each "material" bungee cords a new category since you can have many colors for each material. Then you can have a Usage of bungee cords.

            Main Site - bungee cords
            Material
            Springy
            Elastic
            Usage
            Spelunking
            Cliff Diving
            Best Purple Cliff Diving Bungee Cords
            Top 10 Cliff Diving Bungee Cords
            Skyscraper
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            • Profile picture of the author athenistic
              Best Purple Cliff Diving Bungee Cords
              Top 10 Cliff Diving Bungee Cords
              If I were to link back to the other silo, should the links be nofollowed?
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  • Profile picture of the author leorocking25
    Good try.Though this is so theoretical but contain information.if there is any videos or images it would be much easier to understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    I included some pictures of a silo structure. They should give you a better visual understanding of how the structure works and looks. If you look at any well designed website, they all do something like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Earn.cx
    Sorry to revive this thread - but this a really great thread.

    My question - what would the consequences if we don't properly robots.txt out the spiders under categories? Wouldn't they spider it twice anyways?
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    • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
      Originally Posted by Earn.cx View Post

      Sorry to revive this thread - but this a really great thread.

      My question - what would the consequences if we don't properly robots.txt out the spiders under categories? Wouldn't they spider it twice anyways?
      The purpose is to help the spiders better understand the structure of your website. Failure to robots.txt the categories pages should not cause harm, but it's best if the spiders access your posts through the proper silo. If all of your articles are posted under /category/blog/subcategory/ then you really don't want spiders accessing your artciles through this page, but instead from the parent Page with direct links to your articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackrice
    Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

    Here's my quick guide for putting together silo structured website using WordPress. If you don't know what a silo structured website is or why it's used then you have some researching to do outside the scope of this post.

    1) Get Your Keywords.

    Before I build any pages I do my keyword research. If I found a keyword to rank for, lets say ACNE, I put it into Google's keyword tool, set the Match type to Exact, and make sure I check "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms." I want to make sure I get relevant keyword ideas.

    2) Organize and Group Your Keywords.

    I sort the results by Local Monthly Searches. I select all of the keywords and export them to a CSV file. I open my CSV file and organize the keywords that are closely related. Using [acne] as my keyword, I would take the results and organize them like so:

    [acne treatment]
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [acne treatments]
    [natural acne treatment]

    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]

    [what causes acne]

    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]

    3) Keyword your Keywords.

    What I do next after I grouped my keywords, I give them their own keyword that describes the group. A lot of the times the keyword you are grouping by will be in your list of grouped keywords. For example, in the first group of keywords one of them is [acne treatment]. Since my main site is about [acne] I would make this section about Acne Treatment. What you are doing is labeling these groups because they will become a category or section on your website.

    Here's how I would label the above groups:

    Acne Treatment (I would also use acne treatments as my keyword)
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [natural acne treatment]
    Types of Acne
    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]
    Acne Products
    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]
    About
    [what causes acne]
    This step takes the most time because it is the most crucial. This is setting up how we are going to structure our website by grouping our keywords. Don't be afraid to spend careful time planning before you move on to the next step, creating your pages, because it will make things easier for you down the road.

    4) Build the Pages.

    Once we are confident with are planned out silo structure, we need to take action and start building our pages. What I like to do is build one silo at a time because it allows me to focus on one group a related keywords.

    These pages are the top tier of our silo structure. They are going to act as our mini authority on the topic/keyword. I use WordPress Pages and not Posts. Posts will support these Pages as I will discuss in the next step. For now, use WordPress Pages. These Pages are going to act in the same manner as a WordPress category page would act. You know those WP Category pages, the ones where all of your posts under the same category appear on the same page. We want to use a Page here because a Page gives us more flexibility. It allows us to add our keyword SEO content.

    Back to our acne example, you would create a Page called Types of Acne. This page will serve as a gateway to different types of acne. Since we don't have any Types of Acne yet, what you will do next is take the different types of acne in our keyword group in step 3 and make subpages of them under Types of Acne. Now on your Types of Acne page you can create links to your subpages and provide a brief description of each.


    This Pages URL: www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/

    <h1>Types of Acne</h1>

    Acne sucks and it's no fun to have as a teenager. Not all acne is created equal and people suffer from different types of acne.
    <h2>Rosacea</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/rosacea
    <p>Rosacea is a chronic condition characterized by facial erythema.</p>
    <h2>Vulgaris</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/vulgaris
    <p>Acne vulgaris is a common human skin disease characterized by areas of skin with seborrhea.</p>
    NOTE: Your WordPress theme may or may not support dynamically adding page listings on a page. There may be some plugins that will you do this.

    This will also make for a nice menu because you would have on your home page, Types of Acne, with Rosacea, Vulgaris, Adult, Baby as child menus.

    5) Power your Pages with Posts.

    I like to use Posts to add authority to my Pages. What I do is find one of my Pages I created and create a Post using the same keywords as the Page. I then link the Post to the Page. It's the same concept as writing articles and submitting them to different article directories. What you are doing is making your Page appear to be the authority. What you end up with are different Pages, each with their own set of Posts to back them up/support their keywords.

    The trick with posts is you don't want them pointing to pages on different topics. If you created a Products Page with a listing of particular acne products, you can back up that product with a post that is a review of the product. Now you certainly don't want this Post pointing to a different product, so keep your links in order! A Related Articles plugin works nice with posts because they can link keyword related posts.

    If you file your posts under one category such as Blog, then make sure you disallow the category page in your robots.txt file. That's because all of your posts will appear listed in the /category/blog/ page and this goes against keeping your posts under the same silo. I tend to structure my WordPress categories to match the same structure as my Pages. It makes it easier for me and plus I prefer order.

    Example #1 - Silo of a website




    Example #2



    Example #3

    This is silo example for a company, but it would work the same way for your website. President is your homepage, Vice President, Marketing would be a Category with two sub-categories, Lead Generation and Marketing Development. The vertical bars under these sub-categories would be your articles.

    this is good techniques of site structure keep it up
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    Wow! I haven't done this before. I guess, I should I apply this to my future niche site.
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  • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
    Thank you for this tutorial! This is exactly what I was looking for.

    I noticed when Mike Long's friend Greg?? talked about this his WordPress site was in the format of Site > Category>Sub-Category BUT when I looked at his URL of the subcategory pages it was NOT under the Category page.

    In otherwords, it was NOT like site.com/category/sub-category

    The sub category showed up on what seems like a menu plugin in the sidebar on only that Category page. But, when I clicked on the sub-category link the URL was site.com/sub-category

    NOTICE the category directory is NOT in the URL?

    How does he do this? And, does it matter if your do it this way or your way?

    Thanks again for this tutorial and for your reply.

    Charlie

    Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

    Here's my quick guide for putting together silo structured website using WordPress. If you don't know what a silo structured website is or why it's used then you have some researching to do outside the scope of this post.

    1) Get Your Keywords.

    Before I build any pages I do my keyword research. If I found a keyword to rank for, lets say ACNE, I put it into Google's keyword tool, set the Match type to Exact, and make sure I check "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms." I want to make sure I get relevant keyword ideas.

    2) Organize and Group Your Keywords.

    I sort the results by Local Monthly Searches. I select all of the keywords and export them to a CSV file. I open my CSV file and organize the keywords that are closely related. Using [acne] as my keyword, I would take the results and organize them like so:

    [acne treatment]
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [acne treatments]
    [natural acne treatment]

    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]

    [what causes acne]

    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]

    3) Keyword your Keywords.

    What I do next after I grouped my keywords, I give them their own keyword that describes the group. A lot of the times the keyword you are grouping by will be in your list of grouped keywords. For example, in the first group of keywords one of them is [acne treatment]. Since my main site is about [acne] I would make this section about Acne Treatment. What you are doing is labeling these groups because they will become a category or section on your website.

    Here's how I would label the above groups:

    Acne Treatment (I would also use acne treatments as my keyword)
    [best acne treatment]
    [acne scar treatment]
    [natural acne treatment]
    Types of Acne
    [acne rosacea]
    [acne vulgaris]
    [adult acne]
    [baby acne]
    Acne Products
    [acne scar cream]
    [jojoba oil acne]
    [aloe vera acne]
    About
    [what causes acne]
    This step takes the most time because it is the most crucial. This is setting up how we are going to structure our website by grouping our keywords. Don't be afraid to spend careful time planning before you move on to the next step, creating your pages, because it will make things easier for you down the road.

    4) Build the Pages.

    Once we are confident with are planned out silo structure, we need to take action and start building our pages. What I like to do is build one silo at a time because it allows me to focus on one group a related keywords.

    These pages are the top tier of our silo structure. They are going to act as our mini authority on the topic/keyword. I use WordPress Pages and not Posts. Posts will support these Pages as I will discuss in the next step. For now, use WordPress Pages. These Pages are going to act in the same manner as a WordPress category page would act. You know those WP Category pages, the ones where all of your posts under the same category appear on the same page. We want to use a Page here because a Page gives us more flexibility. It allows us to add our keyword SEO content.

    Back to our acne example, you would create a Page called Types of Acne. This page will serve as a gateway to different types of acne. Since we don't have any Types of Acne yet, what you will do next is take the different types of acne in our keyword group in step 3 and make subpages of them under Types of Acne. Now on your Types of Acne page you can create links to your subpages and provide a brief description of each.


    This Pages URL: www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/

    <h1>Types of Acne</h1>

    Acne sucks and it's no fun to have as a teenager. Not all acne is created equal and people suffer from different types of acne.
    <h2>Rosacea</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/rosacea
    <p>Rosacea is a chronic condition characterized by facial erythema.</p>
    <h2>Vulgaris</h2> <--- Links to www.youracnedomain.com/Types-of-Acne/vulgaris
    <p>Acne vulgaris is a common human skin disease characterized by areas of skin with seborrhea.</p>
    NOTE: Your WordPress theme may or may not support dynamically adding page listings on a page. There may be some plugins that will you do this.

    This will also make for a nice menu because you would have on your home page, Types of Acne, with Rosacea, Vulgaris, Adult, Baby as child menus.

    5) Power your Pages with Posts.

    I like to use Posts to add authority to my Pages. What I do is find one of my Pages I created and create a Post using the same keywords as the Page. I then link the Post to the Page. It's the same concept as writing articles and submitting them to different article directories. What you are doing is making your Page appear to be the authority. What you end up with are different Pages, each with their own set of Posts to back them up/support their keywords.

    The trick with posts is you don't want them pointing to pages on different topics. If you created a Products Page with a listing of particular acne products, you can back up that product with a post that is a review of the product. Now you certainly don't want this Post pointing to a different product, so keep your links in order! A Related Articles plugin works nice with posts because they can link keyword related posts.

    If you file your posts under one category such as Blog, then make sure you disallow the category page in your robots.txt file. That's because all of your posts will appear listed in the /category/blog/ page and this goes against keeping your posts under the same silo. I tend to structure my WordPress categories to match the same structure as my Pages. It makes it easier for me and plus I prefer order.

    Example #1 - Silo of a website




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    Example #3

    This is silo example for a company, but it would work the same way for your website. President is your homepage, Vice President, Marketing would be a Category with two sub-categories, Lead Generation and Marketing Development. The vertical bars under these sub-categories would be your articles.

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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    He could be doing something with his permalinks to get it that way, or maybe they are pages? Its hard to say without looking at it.

    I prefer to have category/subcat in the url because it looks clean and organized to the visitor. I dont see why you wouldnt do it that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author SlfMastery
      Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

      He could be doing something with his permalinks to get it that way, or maybe they are pages? Its hard to say without looking at it.

      I prefer to have category/subcat in the url because it looks clean and organized to the visitor. I dont see why you wouldnt do it that way.
      Thanks for the reply "ltrain_riders"

      I was thinking it was some kind of "related post" plugin but I'm not sure how he would get it to show up on the category page and every sub-category page (b/c these pages are all related).

      The more important question is .... Does your method and his method BOTH have the "Silo Effect?"

      Thanks for your input,
      Charlie
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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    Here's a hxxp://www.darkcircleseyetreatment.com I created a while back. Notice my Blog posts use the %postname% permalink. Home Remedies is a good example.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chezbelle
      Originally Posted by ltrain_riders View Post

      Here's a demo website I created a while back. Notice my Blog posts use the %postname% permalink. Home Remedies is a good example.
      I loved this theme can you tell me where you got it, thanks Cheryl
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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    good solid info, this is exactly what a proper silo site should look like.....unlike the SILOTBOT plugin that Linkwhizz and KME is selling over on FSO that claims to build a silo structure just by linking relevant content together. This here is what all noobs starting out should learn, proper site architecture.....this takes time, planning and research and simply cannot be done in 5 mins using just a WP plugin!!! it's no wonder so many fail, they can't even get the basic seo right
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    Nicely described.
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    thanks,... good info...
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  • Profile picture of the author belgianguy
    Where in this layout would you place a sales page? A sales page obviously has no outbound links apart from the one that leads to the offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin
      Originally Posted by belgianguy View Post

      Where in this layout would you place a sales page? A sales page obviously has no outbound links apart from the one that leads to the offer.
      An excellent question with more than one answer (apart from 'it depends on your site').

      Two of the possible answers are:
      All of the siloed pages 'could' lead to your sales page (if the siloed pages rank in the serps they act as a step in your sales funnel)
      The main index page could be your sales page which is re-inforced (SEO wise) by the siloed content.

      There's a course showing how you can create real silo structure using free WP plugins at http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-new-post.html
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Kevin View Post

        An excellent question with more than one answer (apart from 'it depends on your site').

        Two of the possible answers are:
        All of the siloed pages 'could' lead to your sales page (if the siloed pages rank in the serps they act as a step in your sales funnel)
        The main index page could be your sales page which is re-inforced (SEO wise) by the siloed content.

        There's a course showing how you can create real silo structure using free WP plugins at http://.
        A plugin will never work for a silo.

        It's not only what you can add to the page, it's also about removing all the irrelevant crap from the same page which can only be done by creating/editing a theme (If it's a CMS).
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        • Profile picture of the author belgianguy
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          A plugin will never work for a silo.

          It's not only what you can add to the page, it's also about removing all the irrelevant crap from the same page which can only be done by creating/editing a theme (If it's a CMS).
          Do you mean all the links in the sidebar? Can you be a little more specific?
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by belgianguy View Post

            Do you mean all the links in the sidebar? Can you be a little more specific?
            Right, it's mostly removing irrelevant links. A typical blog has random subjects all over a blog post (header/sidebar/footer). It's kind of like creating a bunch of relevant mini-sites on a single domain (not sub-domains). Think of each category page as an Index page & all the internal pages inside that category are focused on that one subject, there's no random subjects in the sidebar of the individual pages in each category.

            The best example I can think of is Amazons left sidebar, the deeper you get into Amazon the more focused the left sidebar gets. The power tool page left sidebar doesn't link to web pages with toys.
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        • Profile picture of the author sentient
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          A plugin will never work for a silo.

          It's not only what you can add to the page, it's also about removing all the irrelevant crap from the same page which can only be done by creating/editing a theme (If it's a CMS).
          But will the OP's method work without creating/editing a theme, in your opinion?

          I'm reading a lot of posts regarding silo's, and trying to work out the best way to set one up on a WP site. ltrain_riders seemed to be the simplest way I've come across?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          A plugin will never work for a silo.

          It's not only what you can add to the page, it's also about removing all the irrelevant crap from the same page which can only be done by creating/editing a theme (If it's a CMS).
          Do you go as far as getting rid of pages showing up when viewing a post like:

          - privacy policy
          - contact
          - about us
          - terms of service

          And do you also try to get rid of for example the menu bar? Getting rid of the menubar wouldn't have my preference though as it would kill the whole user experience. And I even think it might help to keep the menubar, especially when building links to posts as well to kind of feed the silo's all together.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kandyan
            Thanks very much for the Detailed post.. Exactly what I was.. looking for..

            Would you mind a detailed explanation.. of robots.txt file how to write,where to place it etc.. Taking your Acne site as example.

            Thanks aganin and Very much appreciate your response.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Do you go as far as getting rid of pages showing up when viewing a post like:

            - privacy policy
            - contact
            - about us
            - terms of service

            And do you also try to get rid of for example the menu bar? Getting rid of the menubar wouldn't have my preference though as it would kill the whole user experience. And I even think it might help to keep the menubar, especially when building links to posts as well to kind of feed the silo's all together.
            I don't use a top menu bar I only use the sidebar. Each site is different & there's ways to make an entire header disappear when looking at a Google Cache (text version), just depends how far you want to take SEO. For instance, Wikipedia uses absolute CSS to load their header/sidebar towards the bottom of the HTML source code (now you see it, now you don't), traffic will see that same header/sidebar load at the top of the web page. Dafont has their header setup as javascript (now you see it, now you don't), they've had that same javascript header for years (check wayback (2005)), no slaps.

            I do leave my footer links like the Privacy Policy, mostly because I monetize with Adsense & have to follow their TOS. Usually pages like a Privacy Policy don't get in the way, I've never had a page like that rank (never wanted it to rank).
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          A plugin will never work for a silo.

          It's not only what you can add to the page, it's also about removing all the irrelevant crap from the same page which can only be done by creating/editing a theme (If it's a CMS).
          a) It's not a single plugin. (I agree there are some 'silo plugins' out there that IMO will do more harm than good in the long run)
          b) Yep All the irrelevant crap has to go! (Stop it bleeding to death)
          c) Creating/editing a theme is one way to do it Yes. But not the only way.
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  • Profile picture of the author bamsgt
    Does the landing page of the silo need to be focused on a keyword that has more searches than the supporting posts?

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by bamsgt View Post

      Does the landing page of the silo need to be focused on a keyword that has more searches than the supporting posts?

      Sarge
      No, I just go with what makes sense as a category (my main keyword for that category). If you set it up right (focused) a lot of times you can get double/triple pages ranked per main keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdeep
    Any one can post sample of well silo structured website?. Please do not show big website i would like to see how it looks on simple example.

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Chezbelle
      Thanks so much, a very detailed but simple explanation, it has helped me a lot
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  • Profile picture of the author ltrain_riders
    I believe it's a theme from Elegant Themes. I forget which one.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedWaterDub
    Would this work by missing out most of step 4 all together? I mean.. main site keyword... then the category pages being the other related keywords as OP explained.. but then instead of creating a new article page for each of the keyword keywords.. why not just include those keywords in the category 1st tier article all in the same article. Just make it a real great informative long article using all of those 2nd tier keywords.. so in effect you end up with only 5 or so pages.... and then you can back up these pages with blog posts... so this would end up as a one silo type site.. easy for google and visitors to follow and woukld also result in really great articles... Did I explain that okay? Do you think this strategy would this work?
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  • Profile picture of the author danlew
    Whoa! This is very useful man. I might definitely try this on the niche sites that I am planning for my own project. An excellent guide for Wordpress users. Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author marco005
      Hi,

      very good silo infirmation here, my noob greenhorn 2 cent;

      how I build a wordpress site with 500 deep pages?

      I need 50 sections/categorys and each has 10 posts?

      Need 10 sections/categroys within 50 posts each ?

      ?????

      What is best site build plan to handle this?


      best wishes
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      • Profile picture of the author RedWaterDub
        Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

        Need 10 sections/categroys within 50 posts each ?

        What is best site build plan to handle this?
        I like that. That's a good goal to set yourself in the right mind format whilst building your new site..you can always build more categories later. but having a fleet of topic relevant articles at your disposal, you might decide to utilize them for anything down the road. Just choose a fast loading wordpress theme and go for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author yohoho
          This Silo stuff is giving me a big headache. It is easy to understand all of the graphical representations of a Silo but far harder to implement them in WordPress. I have read and viewed everything at Becker's site (source-wave dot com) but it is all graphical representations of different silos but no actual implementation. These guys are all experts at graphical representations of silos.

          Brendan Mace just sent out a video on Silos yesterday and also took a whack at implementing one. Don't know if it will work though. The video is here, hxxp://awesome.brendanmace.com/what-is-the-heck-is-a-keyword-silo-does-it-matter . This is the site in the video. hxxp://www.mytooth.net . Brendan has a great channel on Youtube, especially for newbies like myself, just search his name. I think this guy is going to be a very well known marketer soon.

          Just spent a long time on this site, hxxp://scratch99.com/wordpress/wp-seo/siloing-links , this Australian presenter will give you the implementation all right, but it will make your head spin. There is a lot of coding involved. There is a video and slide presentation on the site. I ended up running away and buying the book written by the guy who taught him this stuff, Bruce Clay. It's called Search Engine Optimization All-in-One For Dummies. I am hoping for a much friendlier explanation of the implementation of silos in a dummies book. It should be here from Amazon in a few days.

          One other thing I came across while trying to sort this all out is a plugin recommended by Matt Cutts. I am sure many will consider this a Google conspiracy to drive their blogs to the bottom of the SERPs, but it seems to make sense. It is a related posts plugin called "Yet Another Related Posts Plugin (YARPP)" hxxp://mitcho.com/code/yarpp . I found some info on Matt Cutts blog, hxxp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wordpress-plugin-related-posts .

          Won't this plugin amount to the same thing as the silo in the end, allowing the spiders to find everything on the site easily?

          Though, according to Becker the silo will also send link juice to the other pages on your site. He even links the articles in the categories back up to the home page to complete the loop in one of his diagrams.

          I have no connection what so ever to anyone I linked to here. The links are purely for your information.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by yohoho View Post

            This Silo stuff is giving me a big headache. It is easy to understand all of the graphical representations of a Silo but far harder to implement them in WordPress. I have read and viewed everything at Becker's site (source-wave dot com) but it is all graphical representations of different silos but no actual implementation. These guys are all experts at graphical representations of silos.

            Brendan Mace just sent out a video on Silos yesterday and also took a whack at implementing one. Don't know if it will work though. The video is here, hxxp://awesome.brendanmace.com/what-is-the-heck-is-a-keyword-silo-does-it-matter . This is the site in the video. hxxp://www.mytooth.net . Brendan has a great channel on Youtube, especially for newbies like myself, just search his name. I think this guy is going to be a very well known marketer soon.

            Just spent a long time on this site, hxxp://scratch99.com/wordpress/wp-seo/siloing-links , this Australian presenter will give you the implementation all right, but it will make your head spin. There is a lot of coding involved. There is a video and slide presentation on the site. I ended up running away and buying the book written by the guy who taught him this stuff, Bruce Clay. It's called Search Engine Optimization All-in-One For Dummies. I am hoping for a much friendlier explanation of the implementation of silos in a dummies book. It should be here from Amazon in a few days.

            One other thing I came across while trying to sort this all out is a plugin recommended by Matt Cutts. I am sure many will consider this a Google conspiracy to drive their blogs to the bottom of the SERPs, but it seems to make sense. It is a related posts plugin called "Yet Another Related Posts Plugin (YARPP)" hxxp://mitcho.com/code/yarpp . I found some info on Matt Cutts blog, hxxp://www.mattcutts.com/blog/wordpress-plugin-related-posts .

            Won't this plugin amount to the same thing as the silo in the end, allowing the spiders to find everything on the site easily?

            Though, according to Becker the silo will also send link juice to the other pages on your site. He even links the articles in the categories back up to the home page to complete the loop in one of his diagrams.

            I have no connection what so ever to anyone I linked to here. The links are purely for your information.
            How Yukon explains it it doesn't sound that hard.

            No main navigation near header, just using the sidebar.

            And for the sidebar there are plugins available that only show the posts inside that category so no need for other links.

            Then only place a privacy policy link in the footer and only show the contact / about etc pages in the sidebar but then only to show on the homepage perhaps as that links everything together anyway.

            So all you need to do is find the right plugins that allow this.

            And perhaps a Home button so that people don't get totally isolated on your site

            Oh and link each post from the top to the lower one and so forth and the last post back to the first post to close the loop I guess.
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            • Profile picture of the author inheritance
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              How Yukon explains it it doesn't sound that hard.
              Can you point me to where Yukon explains it?

              Is this it?

              http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post8316786

              Thanks
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by inheritance View Post

                Can you point me to where Yukon explains it?

                Is this it?

                http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post8316786

                Thanks
                I mean this post of him:

                "I don't use a top menu bar I only use the sidebar. Each site is different & there's ways to make an entire header disappear when looking at a Google Cache (text version), just depends how far you want to take SEO. For instance, Wikipedia uses absolute CSS to load their header/sidebar towards the bottom of the HTML source code (now you see it, now you don't), traffic will see that same header/sidebar load at the top of the web page. Dafont has their header setup as javascript (now you see it, now you don't), they've had that same javascript header for years (check wayback (2005)), no slaps.

                I do leave my footer links like the Privacy Policy, mostly because I monetize with Adsense & have to follow their TOS. Usually pages like a Privacy Policy don't get in the way, I've never had a page like that rank (never wanted it to rank).
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                • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                  Originally Posted by chrisybutl View Post

                  Hey guys,
                  Trying to sort out this silo thing on our website. We are a software development company, and currently have the following main navigation links:
                  - Home
                  - Services
                  - Process
                  - Portfolio
                  - Company
                  - Contact
                  It seems like most of my silos would go under services, such as database development, web development, mobile app development, etc. I also could have pages focused on technologies, such as .NET, PHP, etc. And then there are the hundreds of relevant keywords, such as computer programmer, custom software company, etc.
                  Struggling to sort out how to organize these silos. Can anyone make some suggestions? I would greatly appreciate it!
                  Thanks!

                  I always find LSI sub-keywords of the primary site keyword make things easy

                  It works better for informational sites, than for sites selling a product or service - but here goes:

                  Software Developers Country
                  Software Development City
                  Software Development County
                  Software Development Companies
                  Software Development Companies Country
                  Software Development Company
                  Software Development Methodologies
                  Software Development Process
                  Software Development Tools

                  The above would be silo landing pages - maybe pick the best and drop the duplicates

                  Your individual services such as:

                  database development
                  web development
                  mobile app development

                  Would be articles under the appropriate silo landing pages using a 3 levels deep silo architecture

                  home page
                  silo landing page
                  article page

                  There are other ways to do it - but the above is the easiest I've found - took me less than 10 minutes, whereas you can easily agonize for days when blueprinting a site, and trying to determine what goes where
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    Hi,
    I have recently learned about Siloing, and I am now creating a site with Silo structure, and I am wondering how to categorize the sub-themes (topics) when there are many middle keywords that have synonyms.

    I will use my own example. My product is about "how to learn English" (in Japanese) and when I used PPC, as long as the keyword was related to learning English, I got conversion. So I am thinking of using "Learn English" as my main (top level) keyword, then I will make sub themes (categories) with some other related keywords.

    But, there are many synonyms that have high search volume for each. For example, "How to study English" "How to learn English" "How to improve English" "How to master English" "English learning method" ""English study method" etc. etc... Some of these keywords are small but they all have at least more than 1500/mo search volume and there are many long tail keywords for each.

    Anyway, my question is should I use all these keywords as the second level themes even though they are similar in meaning? Or should I group them in one category regardless of search volume if they are similar in meaning?
    Also, does it matter how many sub-themes in one site?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

      I am thinking of using "Learn English" as my main (top level) keyword, then I will make sub themes (categories) with some other related keywords.

      But, there are many synonyms that have high search volume for each. For example, "How to study English" "How to learn English" "How to improve English" "How to master English" "English learning method" ""English study method" etc. etc... Some of these keywords are small but they all have at least more than 1500/mo search volume and there are many long tail keywords for each.

      Anyway, my question is should I use all these keywords as the second level themes even though they are similar in meaning? Or should I group them in one category regardless of search volume if they are similar in meaning?
      Also, does it matter how many sub-themes in one site?

      Thanks
      You should use them as second level silo landing pages (categories) as they meet the requirement of having enough sub-keywords (minimum 5) to make effective silos

      The only limit to the number of sub-themes (silos) is keeping the link count per page to less than 100 - and with a silo site that usually means a maximum of 70 silos

      I've yet to find a niche that required more than 13 to 16 silos - most niches can be covered fully with 7 to 9 silos
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      • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
        Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

        You should use them as second level silo landing pages (categories) as they meet the requirement of having enough sub-keywords (minimum 5) to make effective silos

        The only limit to the number of sub-themes (silos) is keeping the link count per page to less than 100 - and with a silo site that usually means a maximum of 70 silos

        I've yet to find a niche that required more than 13 to 16 silos - most niches can be covered fully with 7 to 9 silos
        Thank you for clearing this up for me (and thanks for your answers in other threads too). It is very helpful.

        If you don't mind answering some more questions for me, should the top level (domain level) title or site name not contain the second level or silo keyword?For example, can the site title be "Learn English: Ikuret's how to learn English guide" when there is a "how to learn English" silo?

        What I mean is is it better to make the title(site name) more general so that Google does not take the site only related to "How to learn English", but "learn English" in general? Maybe I should add more silos regarding "learn English", such as "build vocabulary" and/or "English listening comprehension" or things like that, even though these keywords are high competitive themselves?

        Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
          Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

          should the top level (domain level) title or site name not contain the second level or silo keyword?For example, can the site title be "Learn English: Ikuret's how to learn English guide" when there is a "how to learn English" silo?

          What I mean is is it better to make the title(site name) more general so that Google does not take the site only related to "How to learn English", but "learn English" in general? Maybe I should add more silos regarding "learn English", such as "build vocabulary" and/or "English listening comprehension" or things like that, even though these keywords are high competitive themselves?

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          should the top level (domain level) title or site name not contain the second level or silo keyword?For example, can the site title be "Learn English: Ikuret's how to learn English guide" when there is a "how to learn English" silo?


          I don't really see a problem with that

          I always make sure there are no articles with the same title in different silos - even that would not be fatal - but I use a spreadsheet with columns for article titles, silo names, article topic sub-keywords, etc.


          Re.
          What I mean is is it better to make the title more general so that Google does not take the site only related to "How to learn English", but "learn English" in general? Maybe I should add more silos regarding "learn English", such as "build vocabulary" and/or "English listening comprehension" or things like that, even though these keywords are high competitive themselves?


          I don't take competition into account with silo sites - I want to build an authority site that covers everything - i.e. have a page for every relevant search phrase, regardless of search volume, CPC values, number of advertisers, etc. I do however make sure the primary home page search phrase has high search volume, high CPC, lots of advertisers, etc.

          I think that too many site owners make the mistake of filtering out relevant search phrases (because of low search volume, low CPC values, high competition, etc.) - which ends up making their sites "less relevant" to google

          Your target keywords should be the title and URL of the page - and be in the first sentence, last sentence, and somewhere in the middle of the page content. If your silo site had dynamic menu navigation links, then google sees the site themes perfectly well - because you are "clustering" related content pages, and not linking individual pages to unrelated content

          I don't regard "build vocabulary" or "English listening comprehension" as being high competition - and it wouldn't stop me anyway, even if they were high competition - if they are relevant, and you can write 5 or more articles for each of them, then you should add them as silos
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          • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
            Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

            Re:
            should the top level (domain level) title or site name not contain the second level or silo keyword?For example, can the site title be "Learn English: Ikuret's how to learn English guide" when there is a "how to learn English" silo?


            I don't really see a problem with that

            I always make sure there are no articles with the same title in different silos - even that would not be fatal - but I use a spreadsheet with columns for article titles, silo names, article topic sub-keywords, etc.


            Re.
            What I mean is is it better to make the title more general so that Google does not take the site only related to "How to learn English", but "learn English" in general? Maybe I should add more silos regarding "learn English", such as "build vocabulary" and/or "English listening comprehension" or things like that, even though these keywords are high competitive themselves?


            I don't take competition into account with silo sites - I want to build an authority site that covers everything - i.e. have a page for every relevant search phrase, regardless of search volume, CPC values, number of advertisers, etc. I do however make sure the primary home page search phrase has high search volume, high CPC, lots of advertisers, etc.

            I think that too many site owners make the mistake of filtering out relevant search phrases (because of low search volume, low CPC values, high competition, etc.) - which ends up making their sites "less relevant" to google

            Your target keywords should be the title and URL of the page - and be in the first sentence, last sentence, and somewhere in the middle of the page content. If your silo site had dynamic menu navigation links, then google sees the site themes perfectly well - because you are "clustering" related content pages, and not linking individual pages to unrelated content

            I don't regard "build vocabulary" or "English listening comprehension" as being high competition - and it wouldn't stop me anyway, even if they were high competition - if they are relevant, and you can write 5 or more articles for each of them, then you should add them as silos
            Thank you VERY VERY much for your detailed reply. This series of advice (including in other threads in similar subjects) is one of the best (if not the) replies I got on warriorforum. Thank you again for your time and advice.
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          • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
            Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

            Re:
            should the top level (domain level) title or site name not contain the second level or silo keyword?For example, can the site title be "Learn English: Ikuret's how to learn English guide" when there is a "how to learn English" silo?


            I don't really see a problem with that

            I always make sure there are no articles with the same title in different silos - even that would not be fatal - but I use a spreadsheet with columns for article titles, silo names, article topic sub-keywords, etc.


            Re.
            What I mean is is it better to make the title more general so that Google does not take the site only related to "How to learn English", but "learn English" in general? Maybe I should add more silos regarding "learn English", such as "build vocabulary" and/or "English listening comprehension" or things like that, even though these keywords are high competitive themselves?


            I don't take competition into account with silo sites - I want to build an authority site that covers everything - i.e. have a page for every relevant search phrase, regardless of search volume, CPC values, number of advertisers, etc. I do however make sure the primary home page search phrase has high search volume, high CPC, lots of advertisers, etc.

            I think that too many site owners make the mistake of filtering out relevant search phrases (because of low search volume, low CPC values, high competition, etc.) - which ends up making their sites "less relevant" to google

            Your target keywords should be the title and URL of the page - and be in the first sentence, last sentence, and somewhere in the middle of the page content. If your silo site had dynamic menu navigation links, then google sees the site themes perfectly well - because you are "clustering" related content pages, and not linking individual pages to unrelated content

            I don't regard "build vocabulary" or "English listening comprehension" as being high competition - and it wouldn't stop me anyway, even if they were high competition - if they are relevant, and you can write 5 or more articles for each of them, then you should add them as silos
            Another question - if there are 2 *almost* identical (but slightly different) keywords candidates for the domain level, what do you do?

            For example, "laptop and notebook."
            If your main (top level) target is "buy laptop," then your silos would be "buy cheap laptop " "buy laptop deal" or things like that, and under these silos there will be long tail keywords. I (hopefully) understand that.

            But then where should "buy notebook" go? Should it be a silo or should I target both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" on the top level?

            Thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
              Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

              Another question - if there are 2 *almost* identical (but slightly different) keywords candidates for the domain level, what do you do?

              For example, "laptop and notebook."
              If your main (top level) target is "buy laptop," then your silos would be "buy cheap laptop " "buy laptop deal" or things like that, and under these silos there will be long tail keywords. I (hopefully) understand that.

              But then where should "buy notebook" go? Should it be a silo or should I target both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" on the top level?

              Thanks.

              Yes you're right - they are very similar topics - but I would use both for silos

              I use a very simple method for determining silo selection:
              1/ LSI
              2/ A minimum of 5 sub-keywords for a silo

              So, for your buy notebook, buy laptop example, after weeding out the duds, I still had enough "different" sub-keywords for each silo

              Interestingly, the "buy notebook" keyword phrase did have "buy laptop" LSI sub-keywords which I would normally use for articles in the "buy notebook" silo - however as we would also have a "buy laptop" silo, should we use them or not? - I probably would, but the case could be made for not using them
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              • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                Yes you're right - they are very similar topics - but I would use both for silos

                I use a very simple method for determining silo selection:
                1/ LSI
                2/ A minimum of 5 sub-keywords for a silo

                So, for your buy notebook, buy laptop example, after weeding out the duds, I still had enough "different" sub-keywords for each silo

                Interestingly, the "buy notebook" keyword phrase did have "buy laptop" LSI sub-keywords which I would normally use for articles in the "buy notebook" silo - however as we would also have a "buy laptop" silo, should we use them or not? - I probably would, but the case could be made for not using them
                Thank you again. I REALLY appreciate it.
                A quick question though - you mean you would have both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" silos , right? How about the keyword for the domain level?

                Top level : What comes here?
                First level silos: "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"

                Or would you pick one ("buy laptop") for the top/domain level, and add "buy notebook" as a silo?

                Top level: "buy laptop"
                First level silo(s) : "buy notebook"

                Thanks!
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                • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                  Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                  A quick question though - you mean you would have both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" silos , right? How about the keyword for the domain level?

                  Top level : What comes here?
                  First level silos: "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"

                  Or would you pick one ("buy laptop") for the top/domain level, and add "buy notebook" as a silo?

                  Re.
                  A quick question though - you mean you would have both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" silos , right?


                  Yes I would


                  Re.
                  How about the keyword for the domain level?

                  Top level : What comes here?
                  First level silos: "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"


                  I don't know of a way to go backwards with keyword discovery - I use LSI sub-keywords of a prime keyword

                  If the prime keyword was "laptop" or "notebook" then I would not have "buy laptop" or "buy notebook" as silos - because they are not LSI sub-keywords using my method of LSI keyword discovery


                  Re.
                  Or would you pick one ("buy laptop") for the top/domain level, and add "buy notebook" as a silo?


                  No, I wouldn't have "buy notebook" as a silo of "buy laptop" - but I would have "buy laptop" as a silo of "buy notebook"

                  I know is sounds arbitrary - as people interchange the phrases laptop and notebook nowadays - but they used to be different - laptops were big and heavy and notebooks were thin and light - and LSI keyword research brings back different keyword phrases for both

                  The point is I can manually blueprint a 3 level silo site in 20 to 30 minutes without thinking - whereas before I worked out my LSI sub-keyword system I would agonize for hours about the keywords and where they fitted into a silo site
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                  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                    Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                    Re.
                    A quick question though - you mean you would have both "buy laptop" and "buy notebook" silos , right?


                    Yes I would


                    Re.
                    How about the keyword for the domain level?

                    Top level : What comes here?
                    First level silos: "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"


                    I don't know of a way to go backwards with keyword discovery - I use LSI sub-keywords of a prime keyword

                    If the prime keyword was "laptop" or "notebook" then I would not have "buy laptop" or "buy notebook" as silos - because they are not LSI sub-keywords using my method of LSI keyword discovery


                    Re.
                    Or would you pick one ("buy laptop") for the top/domain level, and add "buy notebook" as a silo?


                    No, I wouldn't have "buy notebook" as a silo of "buy laptop" - but I would have "buy laptop" as a silo of "buy notebook"

                    I know is sounds arbitrary - as people interchange the phrases laptop and notebook nowadays - but they used to be different - laptops were big and heavy and notebooks were thin and light - and LSI keyword research brings back different keyword phrases for both

                    The point is I can manually blueprint a 3 level silo site in 20 to 30 minutes without thinking - whereas before I worked out my LSI sub-keyword system I would agonize for hours about the keywords and where they fitted into a silo site
                    Thank you again!!!
                    I have learned so much about silos just communicating with you here.

                    To make sure I understand the last part clearly, if I have 2 similar keywords or keyword phrases that I want to mainly target (in this example "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"), I should pick one as the main/domain level keyword (phrase), and use the other as a silo. Is it correct? i.e. Even if the keywords are very similar in meaning, you should pick one as the main keyword, and use the other as a silo, after considering LSI etc.?

                    In another example, if I have "learn English" and "study English" as my main keyword candidates, I should pick one as the domain level/top level keyword and the other should go to the silo, and which one to choose as the main keyword depends on LSI, which one is more inclusive, popular, etc.?

                    Thank you.
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                    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                      Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                      To make sure I understand the last part clearly, if I have 2 similar keywords or keyword phrases that I want to mainly target (in this example "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"), I should pick one as the main/domain level keyword (phrase), and use the other as a silo. Is it correct? i.e. Even if the keywords are very similar in meaning, you should pick one as the main keyword, and use the other as a silo, after considering LSI etc.?

                      In another example, if I have "learn English" and "study English" as my main keyword candidates, I should pick one as the domain level/top level keyword and the other should go to the silo, and which one to choose as the main keyword depends on LSI, which one is more inclusive, popular, etc.?

                      Re.
                      "buy laptop" and "buy notebook"

                      OK, lets get hypothetical - if by using LSI keyword discovery you found that "buy laptop" was a sub-keyword of "buy notebook" then you could have:
                      Home page - "buy notebook"
                      Silo 1 - "buy laptop"

                      If by using LSI keyword discovery you found that "buy notebook" was a sub-keyword of "buy laptop" then you could have:
                      Home page - "buy laptop"
                      Silo 1 - "buy notebook"

                      You would need at least 2 more silos - which would also be sub-keywords of the home page primary keyword

                      You could also go further up the keyword tree - and target "buy computer" then if the LSI keyword discovery indicated it, you could have:
                      Home page - "buy computer"
                      Silo 1 - "buy laptop"
                      Silo 2 - "buy notebook"
                      Silo 3 - "buy desktop computer"
                      etc. etc.


                      Re.
                      and which one to choose as the main keyword depends on LSI, which one is more inclusive, popular, etc.?


                      This is where personal preferences come into play - some people structure silo sites on search volume - some people use CPC values, etc.

                      Personally, I think I'd look for a "broader" primary search phrase for the home page - one that included both "learn English" and "study English" as sub-keywords - they could both be silos then
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    I detailed out my rankings on 3 new websites when I setup a silo structure and 301 redirected the old website. The results were pretty good! hxxp://www.seo-experiments.com/seo-experiments/silo-structures-301-redirects-ranking-competitive-keywords
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    • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
      Originally Posted by SoCal Digital View Post

      I detailed out my rankings on 3 new websites when I setup a silo structure and 301 redirected the old website. The results were pretty good! hxxp://www.seo-experiments.com/seo-experiments/silo-structures-301-redirects-ranking-competitive-keywords
      Hi there,
      I read your article. It is well written and interesting.Thank you for sharing

      One question though - you used a penguin penalized domain and 301ed to the new silo structure website(s) and the result seems good. However I have read many times that doing 301 from a penguin penalized site is a bad idea. I also read that new site gets high ranking if you re-direct the while site from the penguin penalized site, but it does not last and goes down wherever it used to.

      Your sites don't seem to be affected by this. Do you think it is something to do with the silo structure?You actually mentioned about it on the comment (someone asked the same question) and answered that you thought it was because the original site wasn't penalized manually. But from what I understand, manual or not manual, Penguin is Penguin, and it is bizarre to me...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
    Does a menu bar really kill a silo?

    I want to try a silo set up on my new site. I can easily set up sidebars to contain links to only articles in the same silo. I just think the lack of a menu bar that contains links to each silo would kill the user experience.
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      Originally Posted by Mike Vick View Post

      Does a menu bar really kill a silo?

      I want to try a silo set up on my new site. I can easily set up sidebars to contain links to only articles in the same silo. I just think the lack of a menu bar that contains links to each silo would kill the user experience.
      There's different ways to manage site wide nav links, just depends on what you want to do.

      It all depends on how far you want to take it.

      You could even remove nav links from a single category or any other group of pages while displaying the nav links on the rest of the site. Example, a small group of squeeze pages doesn't necessarily need site wide nav links on the page/s. Something like a squeeze page is the final destination, no outbound links might increase conversion rates.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by Mike Vick View Post

      Does a menu bar really kill a silo?

      I want to try a silo set up on my new site. I can easily set up sidebars to contain links to only articles in the same silo. I just think the lack of a menu bar that contains links to each silo would kill the user experience.

      The home page links to all the silo landing pages

      The silo landing pages all link to each other and the home page

      The real difference from a user's point of view is the articles in the silos - they all link to each other and the silo landing page - and the home page

      The difference is that articles in a silo don't link out to pages not in their silo

      I don't regard it as being a problem - but it is something I get a lot of queries about - i.e. "can I have a top nav bar"

      Unless you iframe or ajax the "extra" navigation, it will destroy the siloing, and hence the whole point of the exercise

      This is what a silo site navigation system looks like:
      demo.siloplugin.com

      If you can't live with it, or use iframe and ajax link masking, then silo sites are not for you
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  • Profile picture of the author robmypro
    Hey guys,

    Trying to sort out this silo thing on our website. We are a software development company, and currently have the following main navigation links:

    - Home
    - Services
    - Process
    - Portfolio
    - Company
    - Contact

    It seems like most of my silos would go under services, such as database development, web development, mobile app development, etc. I also could have pages focused on technologies, such as .NET, PHP, etc. And then there are the hundreds of relevant keywords, such as computer programmer, custom software company, etc.

    Struggling to sort out how to organize these silos. Can anyone make some suggestions? I would greatly appreciate it!

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by robmypro View Post

      Hey guys,

      Trying to sort out this silo thing on our website. We are a software development company, and currently have the following main navigation links:

      - Home
      - Services
      - Process
      - Portfolio
      - Company
      - Contact

      It seems like most of my silos would go under services, such as database development, web development, mobile app development, etc. I also could have pages focused on technologies, such as .NET, PHP, etc. And then there are the hundreds of relevant keywords, such as computer programmer, custom software company, etc.

      Struggling to sort out how to organize these silos. Can anyone make some suggestions? I would greatly appreciate it!

      Thanks!

      You could do it like that:
      home/services/database-development/articles
      home/services/web-development/articles
      etc.

      But that will put your articles 4 levels deep

      Whereas:
      home/database-development/articles
      home/web-development/articles
      etc.

      Puts your articles 3 levels deep - which is the way I prefer (and the way our plugin does it)

      I also put mandatory pages such as about us, privacy, terms, etc. on the footer of the home page only, and not site-wide
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      • Profile picture of the author robmypro
        Thanks for the reply. I like having less levels, so what if I did this...

        I would maintain the Services menu, but under it have sub menus for Database Development, Web Development, etc. But the links to the sub menus under service would not include service in them. So if someone clicked Services they would go to...

        www.domain.com/services/

        But if they clicked the Database Development submenu under services they would go to...

        www.domain.com/database-development/

        Do you think this structure would cause any issues? It would make things a lot easier if I could do something like that, as opposed to including the extra level. And I want to have at least 10 silos so that would be hard with my current site navigation layout.

        Thanks for the help!
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        • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
          Originally Posted by robmypro View Post

          Thanks for the reply. I like having less levels, so what if I did this...

          I would maintain the Services menu, but under it have sub menus for Database Development, Web Development, etc. But the links to the sub menus under service would not include service in them. So if someone clicked Services they would go to...

          www.domain.com/services/

          But if they clicked the Database Development submenu under services they would go to...

          www.domain.com/database-development/

          Do you think this structure would cause any issues? It would make things a lot easier if I could do something like that, as opposed to including the extra level. And I want to have at least 10 silos so that would be hard with my current site navigation layout.

          Thanks for the help!

          No, I can't see that working at all

          I'm guessing you've got a top nav bar, rather than a sidebar

          All our demo sites use sidebar navigation - but if you drag the silo widget into the footer instead - the links appear in the footer area

          I'm guessing that your template or theme could be modified, even if it hasn't got built in features to select different navigation areas

          I'm sure somebody is about to say "have drop down navigation" but they are not suitable for silo sites - for a whole different reason

          You can PM me and I can take a look at your site - we do custom jobs - but our plugin only works on WordPress platform - but we have programmed silo sites in PHP
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          • Profile picture of the author robmypro
            Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

            No, I can't see that working at all

            I'm guessing you've got a top nav bar, rather than a sidebar

            All our demo sites use sidebar navigation - but if you drag the silo widget into the footer instead - the links appear in the footer area

            I'm guessing that your template or theme could be modified, even if it hasn't got built in features to select different navigation areas

            I'm sure somebody is about to say "have drop down navigation" but they are not suitable for silo sites - for a whole different reason

            You can PM me and I can take a look at your site - we do custom jobs - but our plugin only works on WordPress platform - but we have programmed silo sites in PHP
            I tried to PM you but the site blew a fuse. Here is my message...

            Thanks for the help and replying to my post. Our website is built with WordPress. And you are right, there is a top navigation bar. You mentioned a plugin that could be used to put the links in the footer area. I am fine with that, if you don't think it will hurt rankings. Can you tell me the plugin I would need to download? Also, you mentioned that there is a reason not to do this using drop down menus. Can you elaborate on that? Sorry for all the questions.

            BTW, I am working on my silo and keyword groupings, and have come up with the structure below. The top level is the silo. The keywords are indented below. So I would have a page for each. Does this structure make sense?

            ...

            Software Consulting
            Software development consulting
            Software analysis
            software requirements
            business analysis
            application development consulting
            custom software consulting
            .net consulting
            database consulting services
            software development consulting services

            Software Design
            software designer
            software design company
            software design services
            software design consultant
            software design development
            business software design
            wireframing
            user interface design
            ux design

            Software Development
            software developer/s
            software development services
            software development company
            software development solutions
            software developer company
            hire software developer
            software developing company
            software development business

            Custom Software
            custom software development
            custom software development company
            custom software solutions
            custom software application development
            custom software development services
            custom software developers
            custom software design

            Etc.


            Thanks a lot for your help!
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            • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
              Originally Posted by robmypro View Post

              I tried to PM you but the site blew a fuse. Here is my message...

              Thanks for the help and replying to my post. Our website is built with WordPress. And you are right, there is a top navigation bar. You mentioned a plugin that could be used to put the links in the footer area. I am fine with that, if you don't think it will hurt rankings. Can you tell me the plugin I would need to download? Also, you mentioned that there is a reason not to do this using drop down menus. Can you elaborate on that? Sorry for all the questions.

              BTW, I am working on my silo and keyword groupings, and have come up with the structure below. The top level is the silo. The keywords are indented below. So I would have a page for each. Does this structure make sense?

              ...

              Software Consulting
              Software development consulting
              Software analysis
              software requirements
              business analysis
              application development consulting
              custom software consulting
              .net consulting
              database consulting services
              software development consulting services

              Software Design
              software designer
              software design company
              software design services
              software design consultant
              software design development
              business software design
              wireframing
              user interface design
              ux design

              Software Development
              software developer/s
              software development services
              software development company
              software development solutions
              software developer company
              hire software developer
              software developing company
              software development business

              Custom Software
              custom software development
              custom software development company
              custom software solutions
              custom software application development
              custom software development services
              custom software developers
              custom software design

              Etc.


              Thanks a lot for your help!

              Sorry for the late reply - working on an auto-blogging version of our WordPress silo plugin, and was falling behind on the development

              re. putting links in the footer - you simply make a custom menu, and select the pages/posts you want to appear - then you select "footer" as the navigation position

              It should work with most themes

              Our plugin is a navigation widget, and I found that by simply dragging it into the footer area instead of the sidebar area, I got the navigation in the footer

              I don't think you need a plugin to do it - but if you are going to silo a WordPress site, you could use one of our silo plugins (siloplugin.com) and drag it into either the sidebar or the footer area (our themes never have a top navigation bar)

              Your silo landing pages and article pages keywords look OK - better than most that I see

              I personally use LSI exclusively - and I did spot some LSI keyword phrases in your list

              re. why are drop down menus bad - themezoom.com have done extensive testing in many niches, and concluded drop down menus are harmful for SEO and rankings, and they should never be used
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              • Profile picture of the author packerfan
                People tend to make this much harder than it has to be. I happen to use Thesis Theme, and I have very easy access to manipulating the theme using PHP, and all I do is google for what I'm trying to do.

                Let me give you an example of a very simple "silo" site using a couple plugins.

                1. I remove the header navigation.
                2. I install a breadcrumb navigation plugin.
                3. I install this plugin hxxp://wordpress.org/plugins/dynamic-widgets/
                - This plugin allows you to only display widgets on certain pages, categories, posts, etc. It's awesome.

                I create a category for each main category and all the articles or content for that category are on the page. Then when you click on the content page the dynamic widget takes over and only displays links from that category.

                There's also a related posts plugin that does something very similar (you can configure to only show posts from the same category).

                The breadcrumb takes care of linking everything back to the category and the category back to the homepage.

                I would keep in mind that everything you do needs to make sense and actually let people navigate your pages. Make sure your menus are consistent and clean.

                A perfectly siloed site with crap content that no one can navigate is pretty useless.

                If you're spending more than 30 minutes developing your nav structure (unless your site is huge) you need to consider where you're spending your time.

                Just my $.02
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                • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                  Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

                  People tend to make this much harder than it has to be. I happen to use Thesis Theme, and I have very easy access to manipulating the theme using PHP, and all I do is google for what I'm trying to do.

                  Let me give you an example of a very simple "silo" site using a couple plugins.

                  1. I remove the header navigation.
                  2. I install a breadcrumb navigation plugin.
                  3. I install this plugin hxxp://wordpress.org/plugins/dynamic-widgets/
                  - This plugin allows you to only display widgets on certain pages, categories, posts, etc. It's awesome.

                  I create a category for each main category and all the articles or content for that category are on the page. Then when you click on the content page the dynamic widget takes over and only displays links from that category.

                  There's also a related posts plugin that does something very similar (you can configure to only show posts from the same category).

                  The breadcrumb takes care of linking everything back to the category and the category back to the homepage.

                  I would keep in mind that everything you do needs to make sense and actually let people navigate your pages. Make sure your menus are consistent and clean.

                  A perfectly siloed site with crap content that no one can navigate is pretty useless.

                  If you're spending more than 30 minutes developing your nav structure (unless your site is huge) you need to consider where you're spending your time.

                  Just my $.02

                  Before I teamed up with a PHP programmer to develop our silo plugins, I did in fact put up a demo site using logically programmed navigation widgets - here's a demo site I put up for people on another forum to see: wpsilo.neq3.com

                  The difference is that our wordpress silo plugin does it all automatically for you as you create your categories and make your posts

                  A lot of people are "challenged" when it comes to the techy stuff - so our plugin makes it easy for them

                  We don't use the daisy-chain silo structure - which does create difficult to navigate silo architecture - so site navigation with our silo plugin is good
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                  • Profile picture of the author packerfan
                    That's why I use Thesis. I can make a category a post and still use it as a category page. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Thesis has a learning curve, and to be honest I don't use 2.x, still using 1.8.5. But I can get up a site in less than 30 minutes that satisfies 99% of the requirements with minimal plugins.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by packerfan View Post

                  Let me give you an example of a very simple "silo" site using a couple plugins.

                  1. I remove the header navigation
                  How are users supposed to navigate to a different category on your site when you remove the navigation and only show products from that specific category?

                  Only way for them is by clicking home first? Not very user friendly.
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                  • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    How are users supposed to navigate to a different category on your site when you remove the navigation and only show products from that specific category?

                    Only way for them is by clicking home first? Not very user friendly.

                    There are lots of different ways to correctly silo a site - which is part of the problem - along with all the simplified silo diagrams you see in Google images, that only show part of the true linking structure

                    Myself, and one other wordpress silo plugin vendor I know of, link to the home page from every page of the blog - the structure we both use is:

                    Home page links to all the silo landing pages

                    Silo landing pages all link to each other, and all the child pages of their own silo, and also link back to the home page

                    Child pages in a silo all link to their siblings in the same silo, and to their own silo landing page, as well as linking back to the home page
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                  • Profile picture of the author packerfan
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    How are users supposed to navigate to a different category on your site when you remove the navigation and only show products from that specific category?

                    Only way for them is by clicking home first? Not very user friendly.

                    Typical sidebar:

                    Homepage:

                    Widgets
                    Widget Reviews
                    Widget Games
                    Widget Movies



                    Widgets
                    - Red Widgets
                    - Big Red Widgets
                    - Little Red Widgets
                    - Awesome Red widgets

                    Click back on widgets and get...

                    Widgets (see all widget categories - this would be text)
                    - Red widget reviews
                    - Blue widget reviews
                    - Yellow widget reviews

                    Totally user friendly. Fill in the details anyway you'd like.
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  • Profile picture of the author Campbell24
    The best way to create a silo is to set up your pages by category(as mentioned above) and don't overcomplicated it. Just link them together in a natural fashion.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I had some plugins once that would do this for you, but one of them didn't work so it mucked it all up. I plan to develop one plugin that will do this silo linking for you. I have been told that it helps with ranking quite a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I had some plugins once that would do this for you, but one of them didn't work so it mucked it all up. I plan to develop one plugin that will do this silo linking for you. I have been told that it helps with ranking quite a bit.
      Adding links to a page is only part of the work. It's the typical blog clutter (irrelevant links) that dilutes a page. A plugin will not remove all unnecessary internal links across all blogs running the same CMS. It could be done with a CMS theme since you could control the entire site source code but it's not going to happen with a plugin.
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      • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Adding links to a page is only part of the work. It's the typical blog clutter (irrelevant links) that dilutes a page. A plugin will not remove all unnecessary internal links across all blogs running the same CMS. It could be done with a CMS theme since you could control the entire site source code but it's not going to happen with a plugin.

        Spot on Yukon - you nailed it

        I sell packages of WordPress plugin and theme together for the very reason you mention - its not just the dynamic linking - its stopping the bleeding of theme/pagerank due to "normal" WordPress themes

        I'm active on another forum, and time and again somebody makes a post "I can do it, and I'll make a demo site to show you" - that's the last we hear from them
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Adding links to a page is only part of the work. It's the typical blog clutter (irrelevant links) that dilutes a page. A plugin will not remove all unnecessary internal links across all blogs running the same CMS. It could be done with a CMS theme since you could control the entire site source code but it's not going to happen with a plugin.
        Oh well, I guess I will quit thinking for myself. Seems like I screw it up every time I do.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Adding links to a page is only part of the work. It's the typical blog clutter (irrelevant links) that dilutes a page. A plugin will not remove all unnecessary internal links across all blogs running the same CMS. It could be done with a CMS theme since you could control the entire site source code but it's not going to happen with a plugin.
        You have an example of an unnecessary internal links?

        When I view source of one of my pages or the cache, which is the only thing Google reads as far as I know, I can't find any internal links that shouldn't be there.

        So what does it matter when people talk about files from the same category being in the same sub directory, it's not like Google has access to FTP, it's just a bot that follows links.

        Is this some bla bla talk from silo sellers to make an extra sales point or am I missing something?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          You have an example of an unnecessary internal links?
          Take your pick here, or here.








          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          When I view source of one of my pages or the cache, which is the only thing Google reads as far as I know, I can't find any internal links that shouldn't be there.

          So what does it matter when people talk about files from the same category being in the same sub directory, it's not like Google has access to FTP, it's just a bot that follows links.

          Is this some bla bla talk from silo sellers to make an extra sales point or am I missing something?
          Duh, your running sites dedicated to a single item (hairdryers, etc...), your not running a typical blog/site.

          Now when you start selling shovels on the same site & displaying those shovel links on the hairdryer pages then you've entered the typical blog confusion of irrelevant links spread out over the entire site.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Duh, your running sites dedicated to a single item (hairdryers, etc...), your not running a typical blog/site.

            Now when you start selling shovels on the same site & displaying those shovel links on the hairdryer pages then you've entered the typical blog confusion of irrelevant links spread out over the entire site.
            I'm not talking about the site that I mentioned to you before, but now I do understand what you mean with irrelevant links. That's the whole purpose of silo structuring.

            Still that has nothing to do with products being in the same folder.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Thanks everyone for explaining the basic concepts of silo :rolleyes:

              Yukon keeps on claiming that a plugin can't silo a site due to irrelevant links.

              Which is total nonsense if you just quit using the navigation / menu bar.

              In fact you don't even need to buy a plugin or specific theme for that cause the FREE dynamic widgets plugin can do all you need and exterminate every single irrelevant link, on either post / page or category level.

              So what is the benefit of you guys selling a silo plugin with a theme, while I can accomplish the same with any theme when I disable the nav/menu bar.

              I really see no value in those paid silo plugins whatsoever.
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              • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


                In fact you don't even need to buy a plugin or specific theme for that cause the FREE dynamic widgets plugin can do all you ... So what is the benefit of you guys selling a silo plugin with a theme ... I really see no value in those paid silo plugins whatsoever.

                Its ease of use

                Believe me, if you can program navigation widgets with logic code, or get Thesis theme to do the job with custom menus, you are far in advance of 90 percent of our plugin/theme package buyers

                I agree with you - if you have advanced knowledge, it can all be done without buying anything - but I'd also like to point out that we also sell to web design and SEO agencies - and they buy more than one package - they buy one and test it out - then come back and buy a different one with a different style

                We do however have an ace up our sleeves - we have unreleased versions of our plugin that can silo to 4 and 5 levels deep - which we will release if the market gets saturated with 3 levels deep silo plugins, or DIY wordpress siloing info
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                  Its ease of use

                  Believe me, if you can program navigation widgets with logic code, or get Thesis theme to do the job with custom menus, you are far in advance of 90 percent of our plugin/theme package buyers
                  Okay :confused:

                  Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                  We do however have an ace up our sleeves - we have unreleased versions of our plugin that can silo to 4 and 5 levels deep - which we will release if the market gets saturated with 3 levels deep silo plugins, or DIY wordpress siloing info
                  Never tried it multiple levels deep, I always stick to homepage / category / post (no sub categories whatsoever), I see the value in that though.
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                  • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Okay :confused:



                    Never tried it multiple levels deep, I always stick to homepage / category / post (no sub categories whatsoever), I see the value in that though.

                    Yes, I tell everyone who'll listen that a 3 levels deep silo structure is the "ideal" silo structure

                    However, Themezoom like 4 levels deep structure - which is why we keep getting hassled to release a 4 levels deep silo plugin by people who watch their siloing videos

                    A 4 levels deep architecture is really for re-building "failed" and unfocussed sites - or building new, truly large-scale sites with lots of unrelated topics
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                    • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                      Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                      Yes, I tell everyone who'll listen that a 3 levels deep silo structure is the "ideal" silo structure

                      However, Themezoom like 4 levels deep structure - which is why we keep getting hassled to release a 4 levels deep silo plugin by people who watch their siloing videos

                      A 4 levels deep architecture is really for re-building "failed" and unfocussed sites - or building new, truly large-scale sites with lots of unrelated topics
                      Hi there - So it is OK to go down deeper then 3 levels?

                      I actually asked about this a few posts back with my real example, but it might have been buried with other discussions going on (I'd appreciate it if you could take a look). I basically asked if it is OK to have 3 levels silo and 4 levels silo in the same silo.

                      Basically I'm wondering what I should do if there is a single word keyword I want to add to the website with which I'm already making silos with 2 words keywords (key phrases). For example, if you are making silos like "buy PC" "cheap PC" "online PC", and I want to add "buy laptop," is it OK to have a "laptop" silo and then "buy laptop"etc under it? Then this part would be 4 levels/layers.
                      (1:index -> 2:laptop --> 3:buy laptop --> 4:buy cheap laptop etc. while you already have 1:index-->2:buy PC --> 3:buy chap PC etc.)

                      Should I rather forget about the "laptop" landing page and simply add "buy laptop" to the index page (PC is the main theme)?

                      I know I have asked a similar question before, but I really want to be clear about this part.

                      Thank you so much in advance.
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                      • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                        Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                        Hi there - So it is OK to go down deeper then 3 levels?

                        I actually asked about this a few posts back with my real example, but it might have been buried with other discussions going on (I'd appreciate it if you could take a look). I basically asked if it is OK to have 3 levels silo and 4 levels silo in the same silo.

                        Basically I'm wondering what I should do if there is a single word keyword I want to add to the website with which I'm already making silos with 2 words keywords (key phrases). For example, if you are making silos like "buy PC" "cheap PC" "online PC", and I want to add "buy laptop," is it OK to have a "laptop" silo and then "buy laptop"etc under it? Then this part would be 4 levels/layers.
                        (1:index -> 2:laptop --> 3:buy laptop --> 4:buy cheap laptop etc. while you already have 1:index-->2:buy PC --> 3:buy chap PC etc.)

                        Should I rather forget about the "laptop" landing page and simply add "buy laptop" to the index page (PC is the main theme)?

                        I know I have asked a similar question before, but I really want to be clear about this part.

                        Thank you so much in advance.

                        I looked up your learn english post and it seems similar to your notebook/laptop question

                        For a new site that's had the keywords well thought out, I would always recommend a 3 levels deep site structure

                        I really see 4 levels deep silo architecture as being either a SEO rescue job for a site that is a mess regarding masses of unrelated topics, or perhaps where you buy an expired domain that still has lots of backlinks, and you use it to build a large "catch all" site - i.e. you go for a massive market sector such as leisure - your level 2 would then be unrelated stuff like sports, travel, photography, etc. Your level 3 would be the sub-niches of each, and finally your level 4 would be the article pages for each sub-niche

                        If you built a 4 levels deep silo site, there is no guarantee that anything deeper than level 3 will rank

                        You are also breaking the cardinal rule of no page should be more than 2 clicks away from the home page

                        re. you previous post about learn english - if you are confident that TOEIC is LSI related to "learn english", then TOEIC should be a silo - and you could have articles similar to these in the silo:
                        TOEIC Sample
                        Difference Between TOEFL And TOEIC
                        TOEIC Score
                        TOEIC Registration
                        TOEIC Listening Practice
                        TOEIC Schedule
                        TOEIC Vs TOEFL
                        TOEIC Test Dates
                        TOEIC Japan
                        TOEIC Listening
                        TOEIC Exams
                        TOEIC Sample Test
                        ETS TOEIC

                        As long as the site topics are LSI related, then you shouldn't worry too much about whether something fits - shove it in as as silo - it helps to make your site an authority site

                        For your learn English and laptop sites, I see no reason to go deeper than 3 levels,
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                        • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                          Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                          I looked up your learn english post and it seems similar to your notebook/laptop question

                          For a new site that's had the keywords well thought out, I would always recommend a 3 levels deep site structure

                          I really see 4 levels deep silo architecture as being either a SEO rescue job for a site that is a mess regarding masses of unrelated topics, or perhaps where you buy an expired domain that still has lots of backlinks, and you use it to build a large "catch all" site - i.e. you go for a massive market sector such as leisure - your level 2 would then be unrelated stuff like sports, travel, photography, etc. Your level 3 would be the sub-niches of each, and finally your level 4 would be the article pages for each sub-niche

                          If you built a 4 levels deep silo site, there is no guarantee that anything deeper than level 3 will rank

                          You are also breaking the cardinal rule of no page should be more than 2 clicks away from the home page

                          re. you previous post about learn english - if you are confident that TOEIC is LSI related to "learn english", then TOEIC should be a silo - and you could have articles similar to these in the silo:
                          TOEIC Sample
                          Difference Between TOEFL And TOEIC
                          TOEIC Score
                          TOEIC Registration
                          TOEIC Listening Practice
                          TOEIC Schedule
                          TOEIC Vs TOEFL
                          TOEIC Test Dates
                          TOEIC Japan
                          TOEIC Listening
                          TOEIC Exams
                          TOEIC Sample Test
                          ETS TOEIC

                          As long as the site topics are LSI related, then you shouldn't worry too much about whether something fits - shove it in as as silo - it helps to make your site an authority site

                          For your learn English and laptop sites, I see no reason to go deeper than 3 levels,
                          Thank you so much for this affiliate-script. Yes the PC/laptop example is the same as my learn English example and I put it there because I thought if there were more examples it would be easier to know what I am asking about.

                          I really appreciate your help.
                          One quick question to add this though - if I want to make more pages/articles for long tail keywords, am I understanding right to think these articles should be on the same level as other articles?

                          (e.g.) the article "TOEIC score" and "TOEIC score 900" should be on the same level rather than "TOEIC score 900" being the child of "TOEIC score"?
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                          • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                            Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                            (e.g.) the article "TOEIC score" and "TOEIC score 900" should be on the same level rather than "TOEIC score 900" being the child of "TOEIC score"?

                            Yes, both articles should be in the "TOEIC Score" silo

                            We design all our WordPress silo themes with sidebar navigation, so you can have lots of articles in each silo (limit is about 75 articles per silo to stay within Google's recommended maximum of 99 links per page)

                            You may have to modify your page titles so you don't end up with URLs such as:
                            learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score/

                            It wouldn't be fatal - but learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score-facts/ would be better
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                            • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                              Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                              Yes, both articles should be in the "TOEIC Score" silo

                              We design all our WordPress silo themes with sidebar navigation, so you can have lots of articles in each silo (limit is about 75 articles per silo to stay within Google's recommended maximum of 99 links per page)

                              You may have to modify your page titles so you don't end up with URLs such as:
                              learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score/

                              It wouldn't be fatal - but learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score-facts/ would be better
                              Thank you for replying again!
                              Sorry - but I'm a bit confused again :confused:

                              In this example I thought "TOEIC" should be a silo, correct?
                              Then, "TOEIC score" should be an article under the "TOEIC" silo, right?

                              LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (an article)

                              If I want to have a "TOEIC-score-facts" article, then I was wondering if it should be

                              LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (landing page)
                              LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/TOEIC-score-facts/(article)
                              (This would be a 4 level silo)
                              OR
                              LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score-facts/ (article)
                              LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (article)
                              (This would be a 3 level silo and "TOEIC-score" and "TOEIC-score-facts" articles are both under the TOEIC silo and on the same level)

                              You mentioned these articles should be under "TOEIC-score" silo.

                              Does this mean that /TOEIC/ and /TOEIC-score/ both should be silos under "LearnEnglish.com" if I'm to have articles under /TOEIC-score/?

                              Thank you again.
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                              • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                                Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                                Thank you for replying again!
                                Sorry - but I'm a bit confused again :confused:

                                In this example I thought "TOEIC" should be a silo, correct?
                                Then, "TOEIC score" should be an article under the "TOEIC" silo, right?

                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (an article)

                                If I want to have a "TOEIC-score-facts" article, then I was wondering if it should be

                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (landing page)
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/TOEIC-score-facts/(article)
                                (This would be a 4 level silo)
                                OR
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score-facts/ (article)
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-score/ (article)
                                (This would be a 3 level silo and "TOEIC-score" and "TOEIC-score-facts" articles are both under the TOEIC silo and on the same level)

                                You mentioned these articles should be under "TOEIC-score" silo.

                                Does this mean that /TOEIC/ and /TOEIC-score/ both should be silos under "LearnEnglish.com" if I'm to have articles under /TOEIC-score/?

                                Thank you again.

                                I wouldn't contemplate a 4 levels deep silo structure for either of your sites, as they are niche sites, and can be siloed with 3 levels - i.e. they are focused sites - not some site with unrelated topics

                                I would only have 1 silo for TOEIC - and I'd place absolutely anything related to TOEIC in that silo

                                So you'd have something like this:
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Sample
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Score
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Registration
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Listening-Practice
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Schedule
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Vs-TOEFL
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Test-Dates
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Japan
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Listening
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Exams
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Sample-Test
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/ETS-TOEIC

                                Some people would object to having a URL like:
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC

                                so you could scrub that one, or change it to:
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Facts
                                LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Info
                                or something similar
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                                • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                                  Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post


                                  I would only have 1 silo for TOEIC - and I'd place absolutely anything related to TOEIC in that silo
                                  Thank you for clearing it up affiliate-script!

                                  I thought since some of the topics related to TOEIC (i.e. "Study for TOEIC" in Japanese) have more than 20,000/mo search volume and competitive, so I thought of having silos for them under TOEIC. But now I'm thinking against it and I will put everything under TOEIC category.
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                                • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
                                  Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                                  I wouldn't contemplate a 4 levels deep silo structure for either of your sites, as they are niche sites, and can be siloed with 3 levels - i.e. they are focused sites - not some site with unrelated topics

                                  I would only have 1 silo for TOEIC - and I'd place absolutely anything related to TOEIC in that silo

                                  So you'd have something like this:
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Sample
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Score
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Registration
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Listening-Practice
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Schedule
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Vs-TOEFL
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Test-Dates
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Japan
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Listening
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Exams
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Sample-Test
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/ETS-TOEIC

                                  Some people would object to having a URL like:
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC

                                  so you could scrub that one, or change it to:
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Facts
                                  LearnEnglish.com/TOEIC/TOEIC-Info
                                  or something similar
                                  Hi there,
                                  So sorry to bring it up again when I already said I understood and I would go with the 3 level deep silo.

                                  I was going to do so with my site but I still have some doubts if it can still rank when the page with a relatively competitive keyword (study for TOEIC - 20,000/mo search volume and it is competitive at least for me!) is at the bottom of the silo .

                                  There are websites whose themes are just "study for TOEIC." that are ranking well. They have many pages about "study for TOEIC" although they don't necessarily have silo structure.

                                  I would only have several pages with these keywords (i.e."study for TOEIC" "Study for TOEIC effectively" "study for TOEIC online" etc.) under TOEIC silo and I wonder if I can still compete with these sites (focused on "study for TOEIC") without any supporting pages under "study for TOEIC".

                                  I would appreciate your (or anyone's) help/inputs.

                                  Thanks!
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                                    Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

                                    Hi there,
                                    So sorry to bring it up again when I already said I understood and I would go with the 3 level deep silo.

                                    I was going to do so with my site but I still have some doubts if it can still rank when the page with a relatively competitive keyword (study for TOEIC - 20,000/mo search volume and it is competitive at least for me!) is at the bottom of the silo .

                                    There are websites whose themes are just "study for TOEIC." that are ranking well. They have many pages about "study for TOEIC" although they don't necessarily have silo structure.

                                    I would only have several pages with these keywords (i.e."study for TOEIC" "Study for TOEIC effectively" "study for TOEIC online" etc.) under TOEIC silo and I wonder if I can still compete with these sites (focused on "study for TOEIC") without any supporting pages under "study for TOEIC".

                                    I would appreciate your (or anyone's) help/inputs.

                                    Thanks!
                                    Hi friend, your parent page should be the page you want to rank in a sense. In that article you're covering TOEIC, your supporting page 'how to study for toeic' should rank fine, your parent page will rank for that study for toeic too, i dont see why it wouldn't. So you're parent page might come 2nd in the serps, when your child page is 1st.

                                    I for 1 was going to go with 4 deep silo, only becasue it made sense to me. But after reading several posts about yukon, hes said to not go into 4, not just in this thread, but threads years earlier hes mentiond the same thing to different ppl. It didn't click for me until i figured out i can just place my categories on the front page.

                                    Place TOEIC on the front page in the side bar, or whatever you want. They click on that, boom you're now in a site about toeic related topics, again, i assume you're trying to get traffic from google, Your customers will not be visiting your home page often, but more so landing on a landing page.

                                    My niche is broad, i intend to go with 3 deep, 4 deep is fine too i THINK. No one has trouble getting a page indexed, we are in 2014, not 1980.
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                            • Profile picture of the author deezn
                              Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                              Yes, both articles should be in the "TOEIC Score" silo

                              We design all our WordPress silo themes with sidebar navigation, so you can have lots of articles in each silo (limit is about 75 articles per silo to stay within Google's recommended maximum of 99 links per page)

                              You may have to modify your page titles so you don't end up with URLs such as:
                              learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score/

                              It wouldn't be fatal - but learnenglish.com/toeic-score/toeic-score-facts/ would be better
                              What do you do after 75 articles? I have a related question. My sites are page heavy, the blog is an afterthought. Used for funny stuff or announcements etc. My substantive articles are in silos but in pages not posts.

                              Some silos will have more than 75 articles. What do you do after that? I guess you can pick out some and start a new silo.

                              Can I post a lot to the blog, without it messing up the silo? I want to post daily or close to it. Good fresh content written daily. How do you contain that?
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                      • Profile picture of the author ceciljmatthe
                        Hi guys how do you have a different navbar on each page ie you have the home page with your different topics, when the user clicks the topic they go to a sort of mini site with a different navbar to do with that topic? this mini site has articles links etc. Is it possible in wordpress? Thanks
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                        • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                          Originally Posted by ceciljmatthe View Post

                          Hi guys how do you have a different navbar on each page ie you have the home page with your different topics, when the user clicks the topic they go to a sort of mini site with a different navbar to do with that topic? this mini site has articles links etc. Is it possible in wordpress? Thanks

                          Yes, its "dynamic navigation" - like you see on amazon.com, about.com, and some other big sites

                          You can do it by installing a logic widget - but you have to manually build stings of logic code for the different types of page - i.e. "if home then", "if category then", "if post then" you have to code in the id's of the effected pages - its a major pain, and you have to program each individual site, as the page id's will be different from site to site

                          Some people claim they can do it with particular themes using custom menus - but again each site will be different

                          The easiest way is using a wordpress silo plugin as the work is done for you automatically - and a modified theme is supplied with the plugin in order to save you from hours of frustration trying to get your own theme to work with the plugin

                          simplesilo.com have one - but the theme is very plain and not "responsive", so no good for smartphone users

                          siloplugin.com have 3 different silo plugin and theme packages, (see signature below) all are modern themes, and all are "responsive" so good for viewing on smartphones
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                          • Profile picture of the author nel013
                            Thanks for explaining and answering my question.

                            Still now sure what to do now, you say you use landing pages for your sub-keywords (the keywords beneath the primary keyword). But are those landing pages the categories in the silo or not?

                            Still not sure what to do, use my sub-keyword as a category page and link to my articles within the silo or use my sub-keyword as a article page in a silo because they got more linkflow from other articles but they are deeper down in my silo.

                            You talk about landingspages but I dont really understand that well. Do you mean a stand-alone page where you link to from all you relevant articles and is not directly in the silo ea. domain.com/landingspage. Or do you use the landingspage as a categorie page in a silo but then you need to have alot of outbound links and normally a landingspage doesnt have any outbound links?

                            Thanks for answering my first question again!
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                            • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                              Hi nel013,

                              Re.Still now sure what to do now, you say you use landing pages for your sub-keywords (the keywords beneath the primary keyword). But are those landing pages the categories in the silo or not?

                              Yes, the silo landing pages are categories because siloplugin.com wordpress plugin uses a 3 levels deep site architecture:

                              level 1 = static home page
                              level 2 = silo landing page (category)
                              Level 3 = article page (post)

                              Re.
                              Still not sure what to do, use my sub-keyword as a category page and link to my articles within the silo or use my sub-keyword as a article page in a silo because they got more linkflow from other articles but they are deeper down in my silo.

                              As I said before, there is no absolutely right way to do it

                              You could organize the site by:
                              LSI
                              Keyword monetary value
                              Competion
                              Search volume

                              or even a combination of the above

                              As long as the site's siloed, and pagerank/theme bleed is kept to a minimum, you should be all right no matter how you place your keywords

                              Re.
                              You talk about landingspages but I dont really understand that well. Do you mean a stand-alone page where you link to from all you relevant articles and is not directly in the silo ea. domain.com/landingspage. Or do you use the landingspage as a categorie page in a silo but then you need to have alot of outbound links and normally a landingspage doesnt have any outbound links?

                              With wordpress, there are 16 different ways you can silo a 3 levels deep site - and all of them are correct

                              siloplugin.com and simplesilo.com both use the exact same silo structure:

                              Level 1: Home page links to silo landing pages

                              Level 2: Silo landing page links to the other silo landing pages, the articles in their own silo, the home page

                              Level 3: Article page links to its sibling pages in the same silo, its own silo landing page, the home page


                              Some people silo 4 levels deep, but that introduces undesirable factors
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Thanks everyone for explaining the basic concepts of silo :rolleyes:

                Yukon keeps on claiming that a plugin can't silo a site due to irrelevant links.

                Which is total nonsense if you just quit using the navigation / menu bar.

                In fact you don't even need to buy a plugin or specific theme for that cause the FREE dynamic widgets plugin can do all you need and exterminate every single irrelevant link, on either post / page or category level.

                So what is the benefit of you guys selling a silo plugin with a theme, while I can accomplish the same with any theme when I disable the nav/menu bar.
                There's no possible way (none) that a web/dev could code a plugin to silo a site when there's 21 million blogs all slapping 10 million other plugins or hand coding other things on 8 million themes.

                You can't account for everything other people will do when your building plugins. A theme on the other hand has more control over what happens on the site, still, even with a silo theme you would still end up with a few people that just have to screw up their site with some nonsense plugin (link cluster %$#@) because they read somewhere it makes their site awesome.

                Trust me on this, pretty themes trump structure when it comes to what the majority of webmasters want. Only after they buy a pretty theme do they start asking, how do I SEO this cool looking theme (fail)?






                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                I really see no value in those paid silo plugins whatsoever.
                Why are you even asking about plugins when you don't care? Your arguing for a silo plugin but see no value (huh?).

                I guess a better question might be, why am I trying to explain this stuff? :rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  There's no possible way (none) that a web/dev could code a plugin to silo a site when there's 21 million blogs all slapping 10 million other plugins or hand coding other things on 8 million themes.

                  You can't account for everything other people will do when your building plugins. A theme on the other hand has more control over what happens on the site, still, even with a silo theme you would still end up with a few people that just have to screw up their site with some nonsense plugin (link cluster %$#@) because they read somewhere it makes their site awesome.

                  Trust me on this, pretty themes trump structure when it comes to what the majority of webmasters want. Only after they buy a pretty theme do they start asking, how do I SEO this cool looking theme (fail)?
                  When you install a specific software you often have to change some system settings as well. When I install Teamviewer for example I need to change some settings in Skype or it will conflict. When I install OCR software I need to change some graphic settings.

                  Same applies to a plugin, just deliver some instructions with it and a list of plugins that it conflicts with and problem solved and a site can be silo'd purely based on a plugin.

                  You made it sound like it was something fundamental which it is not, cause if it was then the dynamic widgets plugin would also not work with many themes while it works completely flawless.

                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Why are you even asking about plugins when you don't care? Your arguing for a silo plugin but see no value (huh?).

                  I guess a better question might be, why am I trying to explain this stuff? :rolleyes:
                  I see no value of a paid silo plugin cause it can be done with a free plugin named Dynamic Widgets. Thought I made that pretty clear already. Perhaps you should follow a course understandable reading.
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                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Same applies to a plugin, just deliver some instructions with it and a list of plugins that it conflicts with and problem solved and a site can be silo'd purely based on a plugin.
                    Good grief, are you going to spend 20 lifetimes testing conflicts across thousands of plugins you don't care about?

                    Your talking crazy, lol.
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                      • Profile picture of the author fmolina2010
                        Excellent! I was just thinking about this yesterday for my affiliate sites. Any feedback on how this silo structure affects page rankings in Google?
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Still that has nothing to do with products being in the same folder.
              Uh yea, it kinda does matter.

              Throw a bunch of hairdryer, shovel, cotton candy & parachute pages in one sub-folder (aka: category) & see how long it takes Google to say WTH is this? That's your typical blog setup rockin the SERPs.

              Good luck with all that.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Uh yea, it kinda does matter.

                Throw a bunch of hairdryer, shovel, cotton candy & parachute pages in one sub-folder (aka: category) & see how long it takes Google to say WTH is this? That's your typical blog setup rockin the SERPs.

                Good luck with all that.
                It's clear you have no clue what I mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author malouisa
    I am trying to follow this but still not done. Just wondering if this is also applicable for free users of wordpress?
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    Hi there,
    I have learned a lot from this thread especially thanks to affilliate-script. I have already asked a similar question so I'm a bit hesitant to ask it again, but since I still got confused with some of my real sites, please forgive me about it. If anyone could answer this I would appreciate it.

    So I'm making a website about studying/learning English. I'm doing it in Japanese and when you look at the keywords below please take this into consideration (so that they won't get lost in translation - translated keywords in Japanese make sense).

    My site theme is "(learning) English", and I made subcategories of
    "Learn English" "Study English" "Improve English" "Grasp English" "Master English" etc.

    These subcategories are like mini sites. They have its own sub pages with long tail keywords like "Learn English online" "Learn English fast" "Learn English pronunciation" etc.

    So - I think I got this part good. The problem I have now is how to deal with other big keywords related to the main topic (learning English). For example, a keyword like "TOEIC." In case you don't know, TOEIC is an exam that a lot of English learners take in Japan. So it makes sense to talk about this (The Adwords keywords tool comes up with this word as highly related with "learn English")

    So, I want to use the keyword TOEIC in my website. Then, should I make a category for "TOEIC" as a single word?If so, then keyword phrases related to TOEIC such as "Study TOEIC" or "TOEIC highscore(oneword)" would have to go the third layer and long tail keywords under these phrases would go to the forth layer as described below.

    [English -index]

    (subcategory) Learn English
    (articles) learn English fast etc.

    (subcategory) master English
    (articles) master English grammar etc.

    -This part gets 3 layers
    -
    (subcategory) TOEIC
    (sub-subcategory) study TOEIC
    (articles) TOEIC efficiently

    In this case, should I just forget about TOEIC altogether? Or should I use keyword phrases with "TOEIC" for subcategories? (rather than using "TOEIC" as a subcategory) In this case it would be like

    English [index]

    (subcategory) study English
    (articles) study English online etc.

    (subcategory) learn English
    (articles) learn English website etc.

    (subcategory) study TOEIC
    (articles) study TOEIC efficiently etc.

    (subcategory) strategy TOEIC
    (articles) strategy TOEIC highscore

    I hope my question makes sense.
    Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    Hi there, I have a question about putting links to articles pages on the silo landing page.
    Since I have asked questions about my keywords already, I'll use the same keyword (TOEIC).

    My landing page for the silo "TOEIC" has links to individual articles with keywords such as "study for TOEIC" "TOEIC score" "TOEIC and TOEFEL difference" etc.

    When I put links on the landing page to these articles, if I include the keywords for them (or maybe just use the keywords = exact anchor texts?), then keyword density (how often the word "TOEIC" appears )on the silo landing page would be very high. So are on each individual article page because they have links to all other articles.

    Is it OK to have many keywords on the page as long as it is on the sidebar or footer etc. or should I tweak the anchor texts?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post

      Hi there, I have a question about putting links to articles pages on the silo landing page.
      Since I have asked questions about my keywords already, I'll use the same keyword (TOEIC).

      My landing page for the silo "TOEIC" has links to individual articles with keywords such as "study for TOEIC" "TOEIC score" "TOEIC and TOEFEL difference" etc.

      When I put links on the landing page to these articles, if I include the keywords for them (or maybe just use the keywords = exact anchor texts?), then keyword density (how often the word "TOEIC" appears )on the silo landing page would be very high. So are on each individual article page because they have links to all other articles.

      Is it OK to have many keywords on the page as long as it is on the sidebar or footer etc. or should I tweak the anchor texts?

      Thanks

      As you are manually placing the links, then yes, do it cleverly - you could have your exact keyword within a longer keyword phrase

      e.g.

      "study for TOEIC" could be "study for TOEIC online"

      "TOEIC score" could be "TOEIC score values"

      I don't worry about it too much - and I don't manually make any internal links - but in-content anchor text links (like Wikipedia) are very powerful for SEO

      Just don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to avoid some hypothetical Google penalty
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      • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
        Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

        As you are manually placing the links, then yes, do it cleverly - you could have your exact keyword within a longer keyword phrase

        e.g.

        "study for TOEIC" could be "study for TOEIC online"

        "TOEIC score" could be "TOEIC score values"

        I don't worry about it too much - and I don't manually make any internal links - but in-content anchor text links (like Wikipedia) are very powerful for SEO

        Just don't shoot yourself in the foot trying to avoid some hypothetical Google penalty
        Thank you again.
        OK - I was actually thinking of putting links under the menu on the side bar - then there will be a lot of "TOEIC something"s on the side bar - but I wouldn't worry so much about it and just put links(menu links) with the keyword in it.
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  • Profile picture of the author cars111
    http://i62.tinypic.com/2iuc9w1.jpg


    Hi guys I am still a litttle confused on the silo structure. The diagram attached is broken up in 3 pages. The home page just has navbar, slider and a paragragh with kw title and 3 boxes that will link to the parent pages.

    The next page is the first parent page from the link from first image box from the homepage

    The next page after that will be the child page.

    So it will be Home page, first parent page and then a child page.

    1. Will it be ok to have 3-5 pictures with H1 Titles and img alt with the keywords linking to my parent pages from the homepage.

    2. The way I am going to link the parents and children together is this ok: parent page links to the child and the home page then the child links down to another child then the last child links back to the parent page and the home page?

    Thanks guys really appreciate any help
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by cars111 View Post

      http://i62.tinypic.com/2iuc9w1.jpg


      Hi guys I am still a litttle confused on the silo structure. The diagram attached is broken up in 3 pages. The home page just has navbar, slider and a paragragh with kw title and 3 boxes that will link to the parent pages.

      The next page is the first parent page from the link from first image box from the homepage

      The next page after that will be the child page.

      So it will be Home page, first parent page and then a child page.

      1. Will it be ok to have 3-5 pictures with H1 Titles and img alt with the keywords linking to my parent pages from the homepage.

      2. The way I am going to link the parents and children together is this ok: parent page links to the child and the home page then the child links down to another child then the last child links back to the parent page and the home page?

      Thanks guys really appreciate any help

      Re. 1.
      I'd make the home page title H1, the home page slogan H2, and the image titles H3 - and yes that's how you link from the home page to the silo landing pages

      Re. 2.
      The way we do it is, the silo landing page links to the home page and ALL the child pages of the silo. ALL the child pages of the silo link to each other, link to their parent silo landing page, and link to the home page

      What you describe is not wrong, but not ideal and not as user friendly as it could be (people hate daisy-chain navigation)
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      • Profile picture of the author cars111
        Thanks soooo much for the help I am finally getting somewhere after many house, days of reading.

        Just to check if I have it correct.

        1.The home page will link via images/h3 tags to the main landing page of the silo?

        2.The main landing page of the silo will have an h1 tag and an h2 tag and a paragraph of info.
        Then it will have images/h3 tags to the different children in the main silo and a link back to the home page.

        3.Each child landing page will have h1 tag and h2 tag and a paragraph of info and images/h3 tags to the other children and an image/h3 tag to the parent and an image/h3 tag to the homepage.

        Is this ok got there in the end.

        The only thing I am getting confused by is that the home page will link to all the parent pages through the navbar already, is that ok? Would you lose link juice if there is a link to all parent pages through the navbar and the images on the home page?

        Thanks so much you do not know how appreciative I am for you helping me, I can finally get started
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        • Profile picture of the author cars111
          Just in case you thought I was going to start I am just waiting from the professional to help with my questions
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        • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
          Just to check if I have it correct.

          1.The home page will link via images/h3 tags to the main landing page of the silo?

          Yes

          2.The main landing page of the silo will have an h1 tag and an h2 tag and a paragraph of info.

          Yes - the H tags are normally done automatically by wordpress


          Then it will have images/h3 tags to the different children in the main silo and a link back to the home page.

          Yes - we also link to all the other silo parent pages, to help distribute the site theme (but its still OK without)


          3.Each child landing page will have h1 tag and h2 tag and a paragraph of info and images/h3 tags to the other children and an image/h3 tag to the parent and an image/h3 tag to the homepage.

          Yes


          The only thing I am getting confused by is that the home page will link to all the parent pages through the navbar already, is that ok?

          You want dynamic navigation that changes depending where you are in the site - i.e. not a static nav bar that displays the same links site wide i.e. if you if you are reading an article in silo 2, you don't see links to parent pages of silo 1, silo 3, etc.

          Would you lose link juice if there is a link to all parent pages through the navbar and the images on the home page?

          Technically, you will be dividing the total pagerank/theme of the page more than you would otherwise have done - but as the aim is to re-circulate the pagerank/theme throughout the site, you're not losing anything - until you start linking out of the site


          It is confusing

          The easiest demo to see the dynamic navigation is:
          wpsilo.neq3.com

          A demo of what I think you are trying to create:
          demo2.siloplugin.com
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          • Profile picture of the author cars111
            Hi thanks for that, I can see that on your demo page you nav is in the sidebar. How could the same thing be accomplished in a top navbar?

            Also do you have your plugin separate to the theme?

            Thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
              Originally Posted by cars111 View Post

              Hi thanks for that, I can see that on your demo page you nav is in the sidebar. How could the same thing be accomplished in a top navbar?

              Also do you have your plugin separate to the theme?

              Thanks
              The theme used is Celestial-lite:
              WordPress › Celestial - Lite « Free WordPress Themes
              If you check the preview, you'll see it includes top navigation as standard

              We package the plugin with a modified theme - otherwise the support issues would be impossible - we'd literally have to install every theme people were having difficulty with in order to find a solution to their problem
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  • Profile picture of the author megamind22
    Great post man. This is a good guide for those ego went to build silo or what George would call Google sniper sites. Nice one
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    • Profile picture of the author cars111
      Hi I think I will pick up your plugin for a new website I am starting. I have a question as well

      I have a one page beautiful theme that I have purchased but ranking for the keywords I need has ridiculous competition and the only way I think I will rank it is by making it into an authority site over the coming months.

      Are you able to rank a 1 page website and make it authoritative via the blog page?
      I was thinking I could write unique articles many unique articles aiming for loads of KW's, is this possible with leaving the homepage ie one page website but having the blog articles linking back to it?

      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
        Originally Posted by cars111 View Post

        I have a one page beautiful theme that I have purchased but ranking for the keywords I need has ridiculous competition and the only way I think I will rank it is by making it into an authority site over the coming months.

        Are you able to rank a 1 page website and make it authoritative via the blog page?

        I was thinking I could write unique articles many unique articles aiming for loads of KW's, is this possible with leaving the homepage ie one page website but having the blog articles linking back to it?

        As you state it will have high competition, then I have to say no, it won't rank

        Mike Leibner of articleunderground.com has a method where you put up a plain HTML web page, on an exact-match domain name, using an article targeting your keyword phrase - and if it ranks in the first couple of pages of Google SERPs in a few weeks, then you build out the site - with the article now as your home page of a "pages not posts" WordPress blog site architecture

        You could do that, as you are only risking the $10 dollar domain registration fee

        We do custom work, and could code your theme into a working silo site that uses our plugin - but it would cost several hundred dollars

        Enticing visitors to click through to the "primary" site, from a hub site is nothing new - but only a percentage of visitors will do it - even if you are offering some sort of freebie on the "other" site
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  • Profile picture of the author koubain
    Thanks for your explanation very good post
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  • Profile picture of the author cars111
    Hi guys how do you have a different navbar on each page ie you have the home page with your different topics, when the user clicks the topic they go to a sort of mini site with a different navbar to do with that topic? this mini site has articles links etc.

    Is it possible in wordpress?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
      If someone can just clear this one thing up for me, id like to begin adding content to my silos.

      Is it okay to nest like this.... Home/instruments/guitar/best guitar for kids
      or should i go with

      home/guitar/best guitar for kids. (guitar would be under index page "instruments")

      Lets say our site is about Music in general.

      Music/instruments/bestguitarforkids

      music/instruments/guitar/bestguitarforkids
      music/instruments/guitar/bestguitarforadults

      I feel as though having it 4 links deep is better for the user, and possibly google.

      They can navigate your site via the url, so if i wanted to look up more instruments, i can just deleted the url and get to instruments. ( i navigate sites like this usually)

      Its tough to take the word of someone who is promoting a plug-in as well. so the confusion will always be there, and is also why i take Yukons advise most of the time.
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      • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
        Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

        If someone can just clear this one thing up for me, id like to begin adding content to my silos.

        Is it okay to nest like this.... Home/instruments/guitar/best guitar for kids
        or should i go with

        home/guitar/best guitar for kids. (guitar would be under index page "instruments")

        Lets say our site is about Music in general.

        Music/instruments/bestguitarforkids

        music/instruments/guitar/bestguitarforkids
        music/instruments/guitar/bestguitarforadults

        I feel as though having it 4 links deep is better for the user, and possibly google.

        They can navigate your site via the url, so if i wanted to look up more instruments, i can just deleted the url and get to instruments. ( i navigate sites like this usually)

        Its tough to take the word of someone who is promoting a plug-in as well. so the confusion will always be there, and is also why i take Yukons advise most of the time.

        Both 3 levels deep and 4 levels deep silo site architecture is correct

        I advocate 3 levels deep - themezoom advocate 4 levels deep

        The reason I advocate 3 levels deep is:
        1/ any page deeper than 3 levels may or may not get indexed
        2/ if a 3 levels deep page is indexed, it may be treated by the search engines as being of less importance than content that is less deep
        3/ with a 3 levels deep site, no page is more than 2 clicks away from the home page - and that's something you are constantly told to achieve
        4/ I can keyword research, and blueprint any niche in 3 levels

        We have wordpress silo plugins that can create 4 levels deep and 5 levels deep silo sites - but we have not released them - as we think people will shoot themselves in the foot with deep siloing, when its not necessary or desirable
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
          Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

          Both 3 levels deep and 4 levels deep silo site architecture is correct

          I advocate 3 levels deep - themezoom advocate 4 levels deep

          The reason I advocate 3 levels deep is:
          1/ any page deeper than 3 levels may or may not get indexed
          2/ if a 3 levels deep page is indexed, it may be treated by the search engines as being of less importance than content that is less deep
          3/ with a 3 levels deep site, no page is more than 2 clicks away from the home page - and that's something you are constantly told to achieve
          4/ I can keyword research, and blueprint any niche in 3 levels

          We have wordpress silo plugins that can create 4 levels deep and 5 levels deep silo sites - but we have not released them - as we think people will shoot themselves in the foot with deep siloing, when its not necessary or desirable

          I just don't see how 3 deep beats 4 deep.

          Animals/cats/food/bestcatfood
          animals/cats/bestcatfood

          4 deep, everything is where it belongs, now i can have animals/cats/toys/best-cat-toy

          3deep, everything seems off. animals/cats/bestcattoy mixes with best cat food.
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          • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
            Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

            I just don't see how 3 deep beats 4 deep.

            Animals/cats/food/bestcatfood
            animals/cats/bestcatfood

            4 deep, everything is where it belongs, now i can have animals/cats/toys/best-cat-toy

            3deep, everything seems off. animals/cats/bestcattoy mixes with best cat food.
            Yes this is exactly what I'm wondering about too.
            Also, as I described in my post, some websites' theme is "cats."

            That would be
            (a)Cats > food> bestcat food

            and
            (b) Animals > cats> bestcatfood seems a bit off as you said.

            Even though it is 4 levels deep,
            (c)Animals>Cats >food>bestcatfood

            seems more likely to be able to beat (a).

            Any experts's help/opinions?

            Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

            I just don't see how 3 deep beats 4 deep.

            Animals/cats/food/bestcatfood
            animals/cats/bestcatfood

            4 deep, everything is where it belongs, now i can have animals/cats/toys/best-cat-toy

            3deep, everything seems off. animals/cats/bestcattoy mixes with best cat food.
            • fruit.com
              • fruit.com/apples
                • fruit.com/apples/red-delicious
                • fruit.com/apples/golden-delicious
                • fruit.com/apples/fuji
                • fruit.com/apples/granny-smith
                • fruit.com/apples/honeycrisp
                • etc...



            • fruit.com
              • fruit.com/oranges
                • fruit.com/oranges/sunstar
                • fruit.com/oranges/seleta
                • fruit.com/oranges/joppa
                • fruit.com/oranges/kona
                • fruit.com/oranges/marrs
                • etc...



            • fruit.com
              • fruit.com/bananas
                • fruit.com/bananas/manzano
                • fruit.com/bananas/burro
                • fruit.com/bananas/baby
                • fruit.com/bananas/plantain
                • fruit.com/bananas/red
                • etc...

            When you nest 3 deep your creating authority for the 2nd page (category).

            When you nest 4 deep you have to spread that authority over 2 separate pages (category + sub-category).

            Example internal link flow:
            • fruit.com/oranges/kona
            • link flow > /oranges/ < link flow
            • fruit.com/oranges/kona/best-orange
            • link flow > /oranges/kona/ < link flow

            Granted nesting deeper might be necessary for whatever reason but keeping the URL as compact as possible is good practice for both SEO & traffic. Traffic doesn't like to figure out complex site navigation.

            Also, Googlebot will not crawl an entire site per each visit, which is another good reason to keep URLs compact. The less fluff pages Googlebot has to crawl the faster they'll find the important pages.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
              I see. So wouldn't it be better over time to have category/sub-category.

              fruit.com/seeds/apple-seeds/best-apple-seeds
              fruit.com/seeds/orange-seeds/best-orange-seeds

              Hmm unless google reads it like this.

              Fruit.com (oh ok about fruits)

              fruit.com/seeds ( oh ok fruit seeds )

              fruit.com/seeds/apple-seeds/best-red-apple-seeds (oh ok about best apple fruit seeds)

              fruit.com/seeds/orange-seeds/best-orange-seeds ( oh ok about best apple orange fruit seeds )
              ETC

              fruit.com/seeds/watermelon-seeds/best-xxxxx-xxxxx ( oh ok about best watermelon apple orange fruit seeds )

              Is this what we are trying to avoid!? if it is then it all makes sense. because seeds carries over authority from the other sub-categories/?
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by cars111 View Post

      Hi guys how do you have a different navbar on each page ie you have the home page with your different topics, when the user clicks the topic they go to a sort of mini site with a different navbar to do with that topic? this mini site has articles links etc.

      Is it possible in wordpress?

      Thanks

      Yes you can do it with wordpress

      You can do it the hard way - navigation widgets and logic code plugin - where you have multiple navigation widgets and a long list of page ID's you want to show on particular sections of your site

      Its not ideal - and each site has to be programmed individually - as the page ID's will be different

      Or you can purchase a silo plugin from various people (including me) - then its done automatically for you
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Google looks at hierarchy on a site (URL structure). That's pretty much proven when setting up a site to help generate Google Sitelinks.

    Don't try & nest too deep away from the main category page. I haven't found a need to nest any deeper than 3 pages, which is optimal for traffic & SEO (tight site structure).

    Example: hxxp://cars.com/ford/mustang

    [related comment]
    Is silo more of a linking structure or url structure?
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    • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Google looks at hierarchy on a site (URL structure). That's pretty much proven when setting up a site to help generate Google Sitelinks.

      Don't try & nest too deep away from the main category page. I haven't found a need to nest any deeper than 3 pages, which is optimal for traffic & SEO (tight site structure).

      Example: hxxp://cars.com/ford/mustang

      [related comment]
      Is silo more of a linking structure or url structure?
      Yukon, I may have missed something, and, if I did, I apologize.

      With the category page (ford) and the supporting pages (mustang, etc.), isn't it the best practice to have only links to the category page and support pages and not have links to other categories or other pages on the website? And isn't this extremely difficult, if not impossible, with wordpress?

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
        Originally Posted by AlphaWarrior View Post

        Yukon, I may have missed something, and, if I did, I apologize.

        With the category page (ford) and the supporting pages (mustang, etc.), isn't it the best practice to have only links to the category page and support pages and not have links to other categories or other pages on the website? And isn't this extremely difficult, if not impossible, with wordpress?

        Thanks!
        Yes you're correct, that is just basic silo understanding and site structure, dont mix your content.

        no not impossible, this thread is 3-4 pages deep, we all use wordpress, many sites use wordpress, yukon uses wordpress, so no..its not impossible.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Google looks at hierarchy on a site (URL structure). That's pretty much proven when setting up a site to help generate Google Sitelinks.

      Don't try & nest too deep away from the main category page. I haven't found a need to nest any deeper than 3 pages, which is optimal for traffic & SEO (tight site structure).

      Example: hxxp://cars.com/ford/mustang

      [related comment]
      Is silo more of a linking structure or url structure?
      Yukon, if you can clear this up for me..

      Are you saying
      cars.com/ford/mustang/best-mustang-rims ( is this considered 3 pages or 4 pages deep)
      is the correct way?
      or the wrong way?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
    I think maybe we just need an extra page that isn't in our url? does that work?

    so it would be. Domain.com/Cats

    then from there it would lead you into the silos.

    domain.com/cat-food/best-cat-food.

    Is this maybe something we are missing that we can implement, or does this break the silo, i mean if we internal link properly i dont see how this would case harm.

    So it would be like, domain.com/medicine-reviews

    which would lead them on to a page with our category silos that are for medicine

    domain.com/advil/advil-pm
    domain.com/advil/advil-am

    But then couldn't we eliminate the middle man, and just have the links on our home page. in the side bar under title
    Medicine-reviews (doesn't link to anything, just a title of a widget)
    advil reviews (leads to their silo )
    nyquil reviews (leads to their silo)

    Thus giving us the 3 deep silo we want?

    But i am not sure, because i still like the 4 deep structure.

    Domain.com/medicine/advil/how-many-advils-are-too-many
    domain.com/advil/how-many-advils-are-too-many

    In the 4deep structure, we don't link back to medicine, from our parent pages. (advil)
    Maybe eventually, once we make some posts under medicine, top 3 medicines to have in your cupboard. etc.

    then we link back and start ranking for the term medicine. This is why id like to use 4 deep.

    so the ask the same question again:

    Domain.com/medicine/top-3-pills-to-keep (links to medicine)
    domain.com/medicine/advil/advil-pm-review (links to advil, advil doesn't link to medicine)
    domain.com/medicine/cough-syrup/best-cough-syrup is a silo, doesn't link back to medicine.
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  • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
    Yukon,
    I do understand how important it is to keep things simple etc.
    Also I want to keep it within 3 levels.
    But what if the keyword at the bottom of silo is competitive itself?

    In your example,
    Fruit.com > berries > **** berry

    As you probably know **** berry is a competitive keyword.

    Do you think if "berries" category gets enough authority by other supporting pages etc., it is possible to rank "**** berry"?
    Meaning without supporting pages such as "**** berry juice""**** berry pills" etc. under "**** berry" category?

    What if I wanted to have "**** berry juice" etc?
    Would you put them under "berries" rather than under "**** berry"?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
      I've put some thought into it, it makes more sense to me now.

      Fruits.com/Berries/****-Berry/****-berry-juice

      This is fine for user and google.

      If you wish to show more relevancy to google, you take out the berries, and streamline more power to ****-berry. Now you're getting the full power from both ends. This tells google that your ****-berry page now is more about ****-berrys then it originally thought.

      The berries page will never rank for ****-berrys, or it will and it will rank above your ****-berry page, but that makes no sense, the searcher is looking for ****-berries, not other berries.
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      • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
        The last few posts about 3 levels deep vs 4 levels deep silo sites have been interesting

        This debate could go on forever

        I'd like to throw something into the debate - advertisers

        If you check with spyfu.com:
        berries has 3 advertisers
        fruit has 4 advertisers
        **** berry has 27 advertisers

        So - follow the money and make your level 1 home page about **** berry

        Use LSI to find some relevant level 2 silo landing pages
        **** Berry Weight Loss
        **** Berry Pills
        **** Berry Side Effects
        **** Berry Benefits
        **** Berry Diet
        **** Berry Detox
        **** Berry Cleanse
        etc.

        Then have level 3 articles for each silo

        So then you'd get something like:

        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-weight-loss-pills/
        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-supplement/
        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-diet
        etc.

        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-cleanse-pills/
        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-pills-benefits/
        acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berries-weight-loss/
        etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
          Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

          The last few posts about 3 levels deep vs 4 levels deep silo sites have been interesting

          This debate could go on forever

          I'd like to throw something into the debate - advertisers

          If you check with spyfu.com:
          berries has 3 advertisers
          fruit has 4 advertisers
          **** berry has 27 advertisers

          So - follow the money and make your level 1 home page about **** berry

          Use LSI to find some relevant level 2 silo landing pages
          **** Berry Weight Loss
          **** Berry Pills
          **** Berry Side Effects
          **** Berry Benefits
          **** Berry Diet
          **** Berry Detox
          **** Berry Cleanse
          etc.

          Then have level 3 articles for each silo

          So then you'd get something like:

          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-weight-loss-pills/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-supplement/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-diet
          etc.

          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-cleanse-pills/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-pills-benefits/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berries-weight-loss/
          etc.
          Hi there,
          Thank you for your post.

          OK, so are you saying it is better to have its own site if the keyword is competitive (or, would make more money?).

          In my Example of learn English/TOEIC, study for TOEIC is a killer keyword (in Japan) and there are a lot of advertisers. However my main keyword/website is English/learn English. TOEIC is LSI for learn English definitely so I wanted to have a silo for TOEIC - but since "learn English" is more related to "study for TOEIC" than just "TOEIC", I was wondering where these keywords should go in my site.

          If I go
          index (English/learn English) > TOEIC > study for TOEIC

          then do you think I can still compete with those websites that is just focused on "study for TOEIC" or even "TOEIC"?

          Or are you saying in this case it is better to have its own website (focused on TOEIC)? Then it would defeat the purpose of having a silo structure...

          What I thought in this example if I stick to silo are

          (1) Forget about single word "TOEIC" and use some TOEIC related keywords as my silos

          learn English > study for TOEIC > study for TOEIC online
          learn English > prepare for TOEIC> prepare for TOEIC listening
          etc. etc.

          OR

          learn English> TOEIC> study for TOEIC> study for TOEIC online
          (4 levels)

          The first example would be better in a sense it is only 3 levels, but it would be difficult to rank only with "TOEIC" now that it doesn't have a silo for it.

          The tricky part is before Penguin my site had ranked with "TOEIC" and it got good conversion as well ....

          Any idea/opinions?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
            Yeah it just makes sense that **** berry would be the money.
            If i had a diet pill, a weight loss routine, a workout, anything like that i would put it
            under **** berries. i wouldn't put my ad on a fruit site. but id put it on their **** berry page forsure.

            Domain.com/****-berry-weight-loss/

            Same goes for your topic, if i had an ad that targeted toeic, id put it on your toeic pages, not your learn english pages. (I dont know what your niche even is, but ill just assume) Learn english is to broad for me, id like to focus my power into toeic.

            You're over thinking this i believe Kuret, ask yourself what you want your site to be about, why am i coming there.

            domain.com/TOEIC <<< silo landing page, tells me everything i need to know about toeic, you're now the authority on the subject congrats.

            If you're the authority for Toeic, then you're the Authority for TOEIC studies, etc. Just go with Toeic like he told you beofre, its the best route.

            You're forgetting that silo is just 1/1000 ways goole ranks your site.
            a silo just helps google understand what your topic is about.

            if you go with domain.com/toeic/ and have posts under your silo (atleast 5) google will better understand that your topic is about toeic.

            If you go with domain.com/toeic/study-for-toeic/books-for-toeic-study/

            you're now telling google that you're 50/50 on toeic, and study-for-toeic. ( You can do this, but now you're spreading yourself thin, making it that much harder for yourself.)

            Remember this silo is for google, we rank our site in different ways.

            If i land on your toeic as a user, i better damn sure find everything i want or ill go else where. Silo helps google understand your site, your content helps users find what they want.


            Don't get confused about the domain. If i had a site about fruits, and my domain name was monkeywings.com i am backlinking from other sites that talk about fruit, this shows spiders that my site is about fruit as well.

            If you need help understanding silo more, you must stop thinking about it, think more of serp rankings, what page do you actually want to rank in the serps.

            Google will not place your learn english landing page in the TOEIC serps, because it doesn't make sense, unless you're some kind of legend, this wont work, i dont want learn english in the TOEIC SERPS im looking for strictly toeic related subjects, google knows this, i would've searched learn english if i wanted that.

            Again i feel like you've forgotten about general seo.

            learn-english.com/toeic/study-for-toeic/study-for-toeic-online

            what are you trying to rank in the serps with this ? Im looking at it through an seo scope, so i assume you have content.title.metas.on-pageseo.backlinks.etc.
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            • Profile picture of the author rschmitz
              Question about the fly down navigation menu.

              Suppose you were to no index all of the pages on the navigation menu, would there still be theme bleeding? So, for instance clone all of your landing pages, no index them, and put them in the navigation bar? How about the contact me and website disclaimer page, can you no index that too and leave it in the nav bar?
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              • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                Originally Posted by rschmitz View Post

                Question about the fly down navigation menu.

                Suppose you were to no index all of the pages on the navigation menu, would there still be theme bleeding? So, for instance clone all of your landing pages, no index them, and put them in the navigation bar? How about the contact me and website disclaimer page, can you no index that too and leave it in the nav bar?

                There are videos on themezoom, as well as written text, all about the negative SEO of drop down menus

                Their advice is clear - don't even think about having them - and if you've already got them, get rid of them

                There are also videos about nofollow - what it does is make pagerank disappear - its what Google came up with when everybody started abusing nofollow

                You should avoid nofollow on all internal links - its worse than a normal link - at least with a normal link the pagerank flows, and you can re-circulate it to somewhere else
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                • Profile picture of the author rschmitz
                  Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

                  There are videos on themezoom, as well as written text, all about the negative SEO of drop down menus

                  Their advice is clear - don't even think about having them - and if you've already got them, get rid of them

                  There are also videos about nofollow - what it does is make pagerank disappear - its what Google came up with when everybody started abusing nofollow

                  You should avoid nofollow on all internal links - its worse than a normal link - at least with a normal link the pagerank flows, and you can re-circulate it to somewhere else
                  But what about NoIndex? Isn't that different than nofollow?
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                  • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                    Originally Posted by rschmitz View Post

                    But what about NoIndex? Isn't that different than nofollow?

                    Noindex is not relevant to what are wanting to achieve

                    If you noindex particular pages, it tells the search spiders not to crawl those pages - nothing more - and even then, they may do it anyway
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            • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
              Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

              Yeah it just makes sense that **** berry would be the money.
              If i had a diet pill, a weight loss routine, a workout, anything like that i would put it
              under **** berries. i wouldn't put my ad on a fruit site. but id put it on their **** berry page forsure.

              Domain.com/****-berry-weight-loss/

              Same goes for your topic, if i had an ad that targeted toeic, id put it on your toeic pages, not your learn english pages. (I dont know what your niche even is, but ill just assume) Learn english is to broad for me, id like to focus my power into toeic.

              You're over thinking this i believe Kuret, ask yourself what you want your site to be about, why am i coming there.

              domain.com/TOEIC <<< silo landing page, tells me everything i need to know about toeic, you're now the authority on the subject congrats.

              If you're the authority for Toeic, then you're the Authority for TOEIC studies, etc. Just go with Toeic like he told you beofre, its the best route.

              You're forgetting that silo is just 1/1000 ways goole ranks your site.
              a silo just helps google understand what your topic is about.

              if you go with domain.com/toeic/ and have posts under your silo (atleast 5) google will better understand that your topic is about toeic.

              If you go with domain.com/toeic/study-for-toeic/books-for-toeic-study/

              you're now telling google that you're 50/50 on toeic, and study-for-toeic. ( You can do this, but now you're spreading yourself thin, making it that much harder for yourself.)

              Remember this silo is for google, we rank our site in different ways.

              If i land on your toeic as a user, i better damn sure find everything i want or ill go else where. Silo helps google understand your site, your content helps users find what they want.


              Don't get confused about the domain. If i had a site about fruits, and my domain name was monkeywings.com i am backlinking from other sites that talk about fruit, this shows spiders that my site is about fruit as well.

              If you need help understanding silo more, you must stop thinking about it, think more of serp rankings, what page do you actually want to rank in the serps.

              Google will not place your learn english landing page in the TOEIC serps, because it doesn't make sense, unless you're some kind of legend, this wont work, i dont want learn english in the TOEIC SERPS im looking for strictly toeic related subjects, google knows this, i would've searched learn english if i wanted that.

              Again i feel like you've forgotten about general seo.

              learn-english.com/toeic/study-for-toeic/study-for-toeic-online

              what are you trying to rank in the serps with this ? Im looking at it through an seo scope, so i assume you have content.title.metas.on-pageseo.backlinks.etc.
              Thank you for your reply
              Well I do understand everything you say, or Yukon and affiliate-script for that matter.

              The only thing here is "study for TOEIC" is VERY competitive (in Japan) and conversion for my product with this keyword is very good. So I'd like to rank with "study for TOEIC."

              If -as you (or affiliate-script) say- I put everything under "TOEIC" category and it makes my silo authority for TOEIC, and therefore make a page with "study for TOEIC" rank high, I would do so without hesitation.

              What I'm wondering is, does it make my "study for TOEIC" page authority for "study for TOEIC"? It is only one page and it has no supporting pages.

              There are websites (as I mentioned) that only focus on "study for TOEIC" with many many supporting pages on the topic (study for TOEIC). Then, wouldn't Good think these websites are more authority sites than my single page about "study for TOEIC" even though my silo is authority for "TOEIC"?

              Also, if putting everything under TOEIC makes my silo authority for TOEIC, then it would lead to the question "why bother siloing for any topic?"

              The benefit of Siloing is that each silo becomes authority of sub topics by having supporting pages under each silo.Then, if "study for TOEIC" is competitive enough, does it not have to be a silo?(having supporting pages?).

              Let's put it in other words. If I'm to create a website just about TOEIC, then it would make sense to have "study for TOEIC" or "prepare for TOEIC" as silos, right? It is because there are benefits of doing it, and this is the while point of siloing in my understanding.

              So, my question is why would it be any different when TOEIC is a silo?

              Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
          Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

          The last few posts about 3 levels deep vs 4 levels deep silo sites have been interesting

          This debate could go on forever

          I'd like to throw something into the debate - advertisers

          If you check with spyfu.com:
          berries has 3 advertisers
          fruit has 4 advertisers
          **** berry has 27 advertisers

          So - follow the money and make your level 1 home page about **** berry

          Use LSI to find some relevant level 2 silo landing pages
          **** Berry Weight Loss
          **** Berry Pills
          **** Berry Side Effects
          **** Berry Benefits
          **** Berry Diet
          **** Berry Detox
          **** Berry Cleanse
          etc.

          Then have level 3 articles for each silo

          So then you'd get something like:

          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-weight-loss-pills/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-supplement/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-diet
          etc.

          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-cleanse-pills/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berry-pills-benefits/
          acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-pills/****-berries-weight-loss/
          etc.
          This is sweet, so can we use "**** berry cleanse pills" LSI keywords to write more content? Example: **** berry cleanse side effects? would this article be under the silo? or would you take your cleanse pills and make it its own silo ?
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          • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
            Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

            This is sweet, so can we use "**** berry cleanse pills" LSI keywords to write more content? Example: **** berry cleanse side effects? would this article be under the silo? or would you take your cleanse pills and make it its own silo ?

            If you had the ability to silo to 4 levels, then you could keep splitting the pagerank/theme with LSI sub-keywords such as:
            **** berry cleanse pills side effects
            **** berry cleanse colon pills
            do **** berry cleanse pills work
            **** berry diet cleanse

            If you do not have the ability to go silo deeper than 3 levels - you could do what I normally do - incorporate all the sub-keyword phrases into the article

            I start and finish the article with the article primary keyword phrase - and include it somewhere in the middle - and have a paragraph of text for each sub-keyword

            So, that would be:
            **** berry cleanse pills in opening sentence
            **** berry cleanse pills side effects in paragraph
            **** berry cleanse colon pills in paragraph
            **** berry cleanse pills in paragraph
            do **** berry cleanse pills work in paragraph
            **** berry diet cleanse in paragraph
            **** berry cleanse pills in closing sentence

            Which LSI keyword phrases becomes a silo landing pages depends on where you start on the keyword tree - the higher up the tree (broad phrase), the more you can split the site theme - but you also need more back-links to rank the site
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            • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
              Interesting, how would you keep your content fresh then?

              Would you continue to add articles under ****-berry-weight-loss

              With unique content about the same topic?
              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-weight-loss-pills/
              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-supplement/
              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-diet
              etc.

              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/top 3 **** berry supplements-for-women
              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/is-a-****-berry-diet-safe-for-women
              acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/avoid-this-****-berry-supplement?

              You catch my drift i hope, using this as an example. Or if you could share your way of implementing more articles. I am assuming you can find more LSI keywords, somewhere maybe?


              etc.
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              • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
                Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

                Interesting, how would you keep your content fresh then?

                Would you continue to add articles under ****-berry-weight-loss

                With unique content about the same topic?
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-weight-loss-pills/
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-supplement/
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/****-berry-diet
                etc.

                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/top 3 **** berry supplements-for-women
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/is-a-****-berry-diet-safe-for-women
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-weight-loss/avoid-this-****-berry-supplement?

                You catch my drift i hope, using this as an example. Or if you could share your way of implementing more articles. I am assuming you can find more LSI keywords, somewhere maybe?


                etc.

                I would keep adding articles until the niche was fully covered with content

                At that stage a silo site is complete - and just needs time to age, and become an authority site

                You can add a normal blog - either in a directory of the root:
                acaiberrysite.com/****-berry-blog/

                or as a sub-domain:
                ****-berry-blog.acaiberrysite.com

                You can then add fresh content to the blog, as well as use it to in-text keyword hyperlink from posts to related pages on you silo site

                You can of course go back to the various pages of a silo site and update the content, lengthen the articles, tweak it for SEO, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
          How far would you personally take the lsi keywords?

          If it were to say "**** berry reviews" in this silo ..

          would you be able to write reviews on the different brands/companys/products etc. that sell it and still be considered to be an lsi?
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          • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
            Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

            How far would you personally take the lsi keywords?

            If it were to say "**** berry reviews" in this silo ..

            would you be able to write reviews on the different brands/companys/products etc. that sell it and still be considered to be an lsi?

            I'd normally have the reviews as support articles of the various silos

            Although I couldn't find any trace of "**** berry reviews" being a LSI sub-keyword phrase of either "**** berry" or "**** berries" (if either of those were the primary home page keyword phrase) it wouldn't be a big problem to stick a non-LSI silo in along with the true LSI silos

            If your sole intention of building the site is to sell **** berry products, then do what you have to do!
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  • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
    ikuret75, you'll drive yourself crazy with this TOEIC stuff

    You've taken a dead-simple task and twisted it all different ways

    I'm now suggesting this:
    1/ just put the bloody thing on the site as a TOEIC silo, then put however many TOEIC related articles as you feel is necessary - up to a limit of 60 or 70 articles

    2/ Build a second site specifically about TOEIC - and build all the silos you feel you need, and add articles to each silo - again with a limit of 60 or 70 articles per silo

    Seriously, just get on with it!
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    • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
      Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

      ikuret75, you'll drive yourself crazy with this TOEIC stuff

      You've taken a dead-simple task and twisted it all different ways

      I'm now suggesting this:
      1/ just put the bloody thing on the site as a TOEIC silo, then put however many TOEIC related articles as you feel is necessary - up to a limit of 60 or 70 articles

      2/ Build a second site specifically about TOEIC - and build all the silos you feel you need, and add articles to each silo - again with a limit of 60 or 70 articles per silo

      Seriously, just get on with it!
      Thank you for your suggestion(s).
      Yeah I actually have been making articles and it is the matter of how I put them in the site. That's why it is tricky for me. Kind of the last step for me here and don't want to ruin it by a wrong structure.
      Also this bothers me theoretically.

      Anyway, thank you again for your help!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
        I wouldn't be afraid to keep asking questions. Why launch when you're unsure, itll just be bad energy from the start.

        your inner pages all connect, so it isn't just 1 page on study for toeic , its actually all of your support pages power as well. 10 articles, 10 links to it. sure the power is spread, and majority goes to silo, but it adds up. if you add 1 more silo, you're spreading yourself thin.
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        • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
          Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

          I wouldn't be afraid to keep asking questions. Why launch when you're unsure, itll just be bad energy from the start.

          your inner pages all connect, so it isn't just 1 page on study for toeic , its actually all of your support pages power as well. 10 articles, 10 links to it. sure the power is spread, and majority goes to silo, but it adds up. if you add 1 more silo, you're spreading yourself thin.
          Thanks buddy,
          What you say makes sense.

          Just I thought theoretically if that's the case there is no reason to make a silo website - whatever your topic is, you could just make many pages (up to 75 or so) under the home page (second level) and link each other, and that would give enough authority to each page if you know what I mean.

          I just did not understand why 2 levels (TOEIC and its supporting pages in this example) would make the silo and its pages strong enough when you would actually make 3 levels if you were to make a website with only that theme (TOEIC).

          Yes I could make another silo website for TOEIC with 3 levels, but then I would think it would defeat the purpose of using silo structure (main benefit is you can have one website with all the related topics under one roof).

          Does my question make sense? ?
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          • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
            Originally Posted by ikuret75 View Post


            Yes I could make another silo website for TOEIC with 3 levels, but then I would think it would defeat the purpose of using silo structure (main benefit is you can have one website with all the related topics under one roof).

            Does my question make sense? ?

            We've already established that TOEIC is a good topic for a silo on your "learn english" site

            I don't see why you are agonizing over it - just put it on the site as a silo, and put TOEIC sub-keyword articles in the silo

            If you don't want to do it, build a new site and blueprint it with TOEIC as the primary search phrase

            Nobody's said you can't have a big site covering many related topics

            I honestly can't for the life of me see why you are having such difficulty with this
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            • Profile picture of the author ikuret75
              Originally Posted by affilliate-script View Post

              We've already established that TOEIC is a good topic for a silo on your "learn english" site

              I don't see why you are agonizing over it - just put it on the site as a silo, and put TOEIC sub-keyword articles in the silo

              If you don't want to do it, build a new site and blueprint it with TOEIC as the primary search phrase

              Nobody's said you can't have a big site covering many related topics

              I honestly can't for the life of me see why you are having such difficulty with this
              Hi there,
              I really am thanking you for helping me with this - so please don't get me wrong.
              (You are the BEST help so far in this forum, seriously).

              But my question is NOT specifically about my site about TOEIC/learning English only.
              It is more of a theoretical question about establishing a silo site - with any topic.

              It's NOT that I don't want to include TOEIC in my site as a silo- rather I have this question BECAUSE I want to make it work as a silo site . Also, I have many websites - and since I can see much potential in siloing with my existing sites and new sites, I would want to have a clear idea about this. That's why I'm asking these questions.

              So the basic question I have is this - (and I repeat, it's not just for my site about learning English.)

              Let's say you make a site with theme A.You would have a 3 level site with one theme (A), sub topics, then supporting articles, and it is because it would give the site authority for the topic A by doing this, right?

              Then, doesn't it also make sense to have the same structure (3 levels for the topic) if topic A becomes a silo topic, (not the site theme anymore) to give enough authority?

              Yes if you do this it becomes 4 levels. I have learned from the discussion very well about cons of having a 4 level structure. But aren't there also cons for only have 2 levels for a relatively big topic?

              It seemed to me you did not care so much about this part (having only 2 levels for a relatively large competitive topic/keyword) and I just wanted to know about this. (Such as "yes 2 levels would give enough authority because...." or "It is not ideal but it is MUCH better than having 4 levels and you can still compete with other sites that have more supporting pages. etc.)

              I hope I made myself clear about this.
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        • Profile picture of the author nel013
          Ok guys, learned alot on this topic.

          Just got 1 question left.

          The categorie page in a silo that links to all the content in that silo like the topicstarter mentiond, should it be written about a keyword or not...?

          My main keyword is tablet offers for example. Im thinking about taking this as a categorie page with 1500 words and links to my articles in this silo like ipad offers, samsung tablet offers etc.

          The main keyword where I want to rank for is in my categorie page. But the article pages in this silo (not the categorie page) seems to get more link juice than the categorie page.

          So main keyword with most search volume in a categorie page or an article within the silo.

          PS my main main keyword is already on the homepage, but my other main keywords like tablet offers is an example.
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          • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
            Originally Posted by nel013 View Post

            Ok guys, learned alot on this topic.

            Just got 1 question left.

            The categorie page in a silo that links to all the content in that silo like the topicstarter mentiond, should it be written about a keyword or not...?

            My main keyword is tablet offers for example. Im thinking about taking this as a categorie page with 1500 words and links to my articles in this silo like ipad offers, samsung tablet offers etc.

            The main keyword where I want to rank for is in my categorie page. But the article pages in this silo (not the categorie page) seems to get more link juice than the categorie page.

            So main keyword with most search volume in a categorie page or an article within the silo.

            PS my main main keyword is already on the homepage, but my other main keywords like tablet offers is an example.

            This is something that people are constantly asking

            There are several ways to blueprint a site - and there is no absolutely right way to do it

            Your example makes sense to do it that way, regardless of whether the search terms for the articles in the silo are more popular than the silo landing page itself

            I always use LSI keyword discovery, as it saves me agonizing over where the individual keywords fit in the site - i.e. I start with the prime keyword, which is for the home page, then the sub-keywords of this prime keyword become silo landing pages, and the sub-keywords of the silo landing pages become the articles in the relevant silos
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  • Profile picture of the author OneManSEO
    Siloing your WordPress website is not complicated. There is no one way to do it, since WordPress can be setup and structured in a myriad of ways.

    I started a small time blog and decided to use categories as my structure instead of pages. This means each main category is the top tier of my silo, then I subcategorize within each main silo. That's it. The main category is a general topic keyword, then the subcategories are longer tail descriptive keywords. And I don't even bother making it keyword exact, because I'm more interested in making it make sense for users.

    I have seen good organic traffic from Google, though not much since the content is only 50 or so posts and I haven't had time to do daily updates. I'm sure if I could do that, I would see significant increases in traffic.

    If you are finding this topic way complicated, then I advise learning more about WordPress itself before you tackle something you don't understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by OneManSEO View Post

      Siloing your WordPress website is not complicated. There is no one way to do it, since WordPress can be setup and structured in a myriad of ways.

      I started a small time blog and decided to use categories as my structure instead of pages. This means each main category is the top tier of my silo, then I subcategorize within each main silo. That's it. The main category is a general topic keyword, then the subcategories are longer tail descriptive keywords. And I don't even bother making it keyword exact, because I'm more interested in making it make sense for users.

      I have seen good organic traffic from Google, though not much since the content is only 50 or so posts and I haven't had time to do daily updates. I'm sure if I could do that, I would see significant increases in traffic.

      If you are finding this topic way complicated, then I advise learning more about WordPress itself before you tackle something you don't understand.

      What you've done is better than nothing - but you've said nothing about if/how you've avoided the usual WordPress navigation of every page linking to every other page, and voiding the core principle of a silo site - no cross linking of content in one silo to content in a different silo
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinggremlin
    Let me first say thanks to everyone on this thread for taking sincere time and making sincere efforts to answer questions. It's def refreshing to see others genuinely taking the time to help others. Now that that's out there, I have to say I have read and re-read this and am more confused than ever LOL. My first question is this: Am I understanding correctly that you are saying that the silo structure is only for one item niche style sites? In other words are you saying that the silo structure is not applicable to say a local restaurant?
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by marketinggremlin View Post

      Am I understanding correctly that you are saying that the silo structure is only for one item niche style sites? In other words are you saying that the silo structure is not applicable to say a local restaurant?
      You can take it as far as you want/need, just depends on what you have to sell/promote.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by marketinggremlin View Post

      I have to say I have read and re-read this and am more confused than ever LOL. My first question is this: Am I understanding correctly that you are saying that the silo structure is only for one item niche style sites? In other words are you saying that the silo structure is not applicable to say a local restaurant?

      A true silo site needs a minimum of 3 silos, and a minimum of 5 articles per silo

      If you do not have the minimum above, then the site will not be as effective

      Silo sites can be used for just about any type of niche - just that you normally see the site architecture used on large-scale sites such as amazon.com, about.com, etc.

      For your particular needs of a local mexican restaurant, I'd base the silos on mexican food and drink, rather than the city the restaurant is located in

      So I'd have silos for:

      Mexican Appetizers
      Mexican Side Dishes
      Mexican Desserts
      Mexican Drinks
      Mexican Food for Kids
      etc.

      The articles would also be food and drink related, and assigned to the most suitable silo - e.g.

      Traditional Mexican Desserts
      Enchilada
      Mexican Food for Lunch
      Mexican Food for Christmas
      Mexican Chicken Dishes
      Mexican Casserole
      etc.

      You can sprinkle the name of the restaurant and the city on the home page, and silo landing pages - that should be good enough, when you also have about us, contact us, etc. pages where you can place the local info more heavily
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinggremlin
    Yukon-

    Thanks for the reply. So ok let's stick with my "example" of a restaurant. Could a local restaurant or local business silo their businesses site? Let's say that some of the kw's they wanted to rank for were mexican restaurant xyz city, best mexican restaurant xyz city, best tequila xyz city, best margarita xyz city, authentic mexican menu xyz city. Would each of those kw's be the top of the silo? And then if yes, would you look to get some LSI kw's related to each of those to create the supporting articles? This is where I get confused LOL...thanks again in advance
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinggremlin
    @affiliate-script - first, thanks for taking the time to offer input...much appreciated. Second if we continue using the Mexican restaurant, and adding to what you sent back to me, would these be my silo landing pages?:

    Mexican Appetizers
    Mexican Side Dishes
    Mexican Desserts
    Mexican Drinks
    Mexican Food for Kids

    This is totally no ones fault but I think what has added to my already existing massive confusion are the multiple terms that are seemingly being interchanged for one another lol...

    And then assuming that lets say Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles was my main KW couldn't I make a silo landing using that KW for the home page?

    Now if the restaurant served several cities couldn't I make the following silo landing pages

    Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles
    Mexican Restaurant San Diego
    Mexican Restaurant San Francisco
    Mexican Restaurant Hollywood
    Mexican Restaurant Bay Area
    Mexican Restaurant Etc...

    As always to all that contribute, thanks in advance
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by marketinggremlin View Post

      @affiliate-script - first, thanks for taking the time to offer input...much appreciated. Second if we continue using the Mexican restaurant, and adding to what you sent back to me, would these be my silo landing pages?:

      Mexican Appetizers
      Mexican Side Dishes
      Mexican Desserts
      Mexican Drinks
      Mexican Food for Kids

      This is totally no ones fault but I think what has added to my already existing massive confusion are the multiple terms that are seemingly being interchanged for one another lol...

      And then assuming that lets say Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles was my main KW couldn't I make a silo landing using that KW for the home page?

      Now if the restaurant served several cities couldn't I make the following silo landing pages

      Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles
      Mexican Restaurant San Diego
      Mexican Restaurant San Francisco
      Mexican Restaurant Hollywood
      Mexican Restaurant Bay Area
      Mexican Restaurant Etc...

      As always to all that contribute, thanks in advance

      I always use home page, silo landing page, article page when discussing siloing - because I never know if people will be using category/post for the silo and silo article - or if they will be using page/child page - or maybe even using a PHP script, or xsite pro

      Yes,

      Mexican Appetizers
      Mexican Side Dishes
      Mexican Desserts
      Mexican Drinks
      Mexican Food for Kids

      would be the silo landing pages


      Re.
      And then assuming that lets say Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles was my main KW couldn't I make a silo landing using that KW for the home page?

      Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles would be the topic of your home page - and the home page is not a silo landing page

      The 3 levels deep silo structure is:
      Home page
      Silo landing page
      Article page

      Re.
      Now if the restaurant served several cities couldn't I make the following silo landing pages

      Mexican Restaurant Los Angeles
      Mexican Restaurant San Diego
      Mexican Restaurant San Francisco
      Mexican Restaurant Hollywood
      Mexican Restaurant Bay Area
      Mexican Restaurant Etc...

      You'd need to go for a 4 levels deep site architecture to do that - i.e. the silo landing pages would now be sub-silos below each of the above

      e.g.

      mexrestaurant.com/mexican-restaurant-los-angeles/mexican-appetizers/silo-article

      I never go that route - I always blueprint new sites with a 3 level deep silo architecture

      I feel so strongly about the disadvantages of 4 levels deep siloing, that I won't even release a wordpress plugin to do it
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr los3
    Script, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

    Im just still confused.

    I would like to make an authority site.

    Home Page
    Silo
    Article

    thats fine. but say i wanted a bigger site.

    Home page
    Silo
    Article

    Theres only so many silos i can fit on the home page and still make it look nice.

    Is it okay to make another "home" / Index page?
    so it would be

    Home>>>index 2

    and there you would go into silo/article .. and the url would still be Home/silo/article
    Or because does google not work that way and still consider that a 4 level deep silo.

    An example would be the website :
    http://www.consumersearch.com/

    http://www.consumersearch.com/home-and-garden


    Are they doing it wrong or is this a correct silo.

    Technically you have to click a few times to get into the actual silo . Is this considered a 3 silo deep silo structure? Pretty much if its a yes or no will solve my problems haha.
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    • Profile picture of the author affilliate-script
      Originally Posted by Dr los3 View Post

      Script, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

      Im just still confused.

      I would like to make an authority site.

      Home Page
      Silo
      Article

      thats fine. but say i wanted a bigger site.

      Home page
      Silo
      Article

      Theres only so many silos i can fit on the home page and still make it look nice.

      Is it okay to make another "home" / Index page?
      so it would be

      Home>>>index 2

      and there you would go into silo/article .. and the url would still be Home/silo/article
      Or because does google not work that way and still consider that a 4 level deep silo.

      An example would be the website :
      Product Reviews and Reports - ConsumerSearch.com

      Home & Garden Reviews


      Are they doing it wrong or is this a correct silo.

      Technically you have to click a few times to get into the actual silo . Is this considered a 3 silo deep silo structure? Pretty much if its a yes or no will solve my problems haha.

      Yes, its 3 deep as they short-circuit the navigation once you start getting into the site

      Its a neat trick - got our programmer looking at it now, as it would solve the problem of people wanting 4 levels deep siloing, and me refusing to release our deep silo plugin (purchasers would shoot themselves in the foot with it)


      EDIT:
      OK, had our programmer take a look at it, and they're not even masking the top navigation bar links - which means that those links are breaking the silos

      He's got a few ideas about how they're doing it - but we'll be sticking to genuine 3 levels deep siloing
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      • Profile picture of the author owen2012
        Well done in explaining this,

        Been using silo structures for years and you will be surprised how people stay on your site longer with this method.

        Here is another tip: create your article titles in a question format to create interest so people keep moving from page to page.

        Top 10 surprisingly common foods you should avoid this winter?

        Cheers
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    Thanks for the guide, will definitely try it soon.
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