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Results of Using SEnuke XCR After Latest Penguin Updates

by SoCal Digital
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I wanted to test out the effectiveness of linkbuilding with only SEnuke after the Penguin 2.0 update and analyze the results after the latest Penguin 2.1 update in October. Since SEnuke is one of the most expensive linkbuilding software out there at $149 per month it should be able to rank a website.

I spent hours in the past learning how to scrape websites and add them to SEnuke, properly set up a campaign and used Word AI Turing spinner for creating spyntax on original content. The anchor text was natural urls, generic words and 9 targeted keywords that had high competition, a relatively low search volume but a High suggested CPC of $40-60. I wanted to note that with only 10 clicks I could pay for a month of SEnuke!

What I found is that using SEnuke as the only linkbuilding method provided mediocre results for the first campaign dripped over a 14 day period (ranking on pages 6-7, with 1 keyword up to page 4). Then in October when my second campaign of also 14 days finished the rankings tanked. The website and rankings are currently not showing up for anything, not even the domain name.

Here is a screen shot of the rankings over a 6 month period.


The first linkbuilding campaign started on Sept 5th and the second started on Sept 28th.

My thoughts on this experiment is that SEnuke shouldn't be used directly to your main site unless you are willing to do massive linking campaigns and have your money site a churn and burn. SEnuke could definitely create some high quality Tier 2 and 3 links but at the expensive price tag of $149 per month I would rather use GSA.

Also keep in mind that this was just one website and not conclusive by any means. Just an example
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Perhaps a new sales tag line would be in order

    Senuke - TANK IN GOOGLE FOR YOUR KEYWORDS WITHIN DAYS.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    Lol, yea its almost come to that point

    You have to give some credit to Matt and the Web spam team
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    "its not the software thats bad, it's how you use it"

    "you need to drip feed it, to look more natural"

    "I have a 200 profile template that will work like a charm"

    "Don't target high comp keywords, try longtail that nobody cares about"

    "You need to build Tiers, 600 Tiers is a good start"

    "We are rolling out an upgrade soon stay tuned"



    How people could think an IM'er and a Coder could solve an SEO issue is beyond me.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    Here are my thoughts..

    1) "SEnuke could definitely create some high quality Tier 2 and 3 links". I don't know why you would put SeNuke and high quality in the same sentence. There's nothing wrong with using automated tools to rank & make some money, but why would you mistake that for a long term strategy? You can either go for churning and burning hundreds or thousands of campaigns per month or you can go the "high quality" route which has more to do with old school marketing and user experience & involvement than using spammy techniques.You can't have both..

    2) Effectiveness of links after the Penguin updates.. Links are still the main SEO factor. Whoever doubts that, is not really doing SEO. In between updates, you can still rank the same way you would before .. EMDs, high anchor text ratio, spammy links.. It's just after the next Penguin iteration or spam filter update that your site will disappear from SERPS.

    3) Using tools for tier 2 ,3.. Using automation will devalue your tier 1 links in time, which will affect your main site.You may have a temporary gain doing it, but you're far from safe. That's ok if you're playing a numbers game, but if you're not and you're calling it "white hat" you have a big problem.

    -Gabriel
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by gabibeowulf View Post

      Here are my thoughts..

      1) "SEnuke could definitely create some high quality Tier 2 and 3 links". I don't know why you would put SeNuke and high quality in the same sentence. There's nothing wrong with using automated tools to rank & make some money, but why would you mistake that for a long term strategy? You can either go for churning and burning hundreds or thousands of campaigns per month or you can go the "high quality" route which has more to do with old school marketing and user experience & involvement than using spammy techniques.You can't have both..

      2) Effectiveness of links after the Penguin updates.. Links are still the main SEO factor. Whoever doubts that, is not really doing SEO. In between updates, you can still rank the same way you would before .. EMDs, high anchor text ratio, spammy links.. It's just after the next Penguin iteration or spam filter update that your site will disappear from SERPS.

      3) Using tools for tier 2 ,3.. Using automation will devalue your tier 1 links in time, which will affect your main site.You may have a temporary gain doing it, but you're far from safe. That's ok if you're playing a numbers game, but if you're not and you're calling it "white hat" you have a big problem.

      -Gabriel
      For sure, But have you ever read that on a software sales page?
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    Gabriel,

    The links created from Senuke can be decent if you know how to spin content and post them on websites that are not heavily spammed. I don't think that anyone doing "white hat" creates Tier 2 and 3 links because that in itself is black hat. I was just suggesting what SEnuke could be used for if someone had the lifetime license.

    I agree with you on points 2 & 3. Thanks for the feedback!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      kevin you forgot two

      "You have to know the secret of how to use it" (as if Google doesn't know about tiered link building)

      "Its not the tool is the person using it" (As if that changes the crappy links the software is designed to get)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SoCal Digital View Post

      Gabriel,

      The links created from Senuke can be decent if you know how to spin content and post them on websites that are not heavily spammed.
      not heavily spammed YET. All these scrape and then post sites software end up wrecking the whole net so that sooner or later ton loads of other people scrape and post to the same sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    I think a found the next idea for another experiment!

    Testing to see if automated Tier 2 and 3 links can go upstream and penalize the main website.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    I've manged to tank one of my sites that was siting on the first page in 5th position because I was greedy and decided to do the tier links model. The site gained a few positions the next day, but in 2 weeks was gone from top 100 and I have never been able to bring it back. I haven't done anything else on the site in those 2 weeks, so it was a direct result of those multi-tiered links. And that was quite a while back... I'm sure the algorithm has improved a lot since then.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    What was the first Tier created from? I am surprised that Tier 2 links can harm the main site with a penalty.

    I have even seen cases where no automated linkbuilding was done, just Guest posts and those sites got hammered as well
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Kahuna SEO
    So, if SeNuke links are so bad, do you think they can be used for negative SEO? In one of my niches the number 1 site only has 37 links total. Do you think a site like this could be taken down with SeNuke links pointing to it?? Just a curiosity
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    • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
      Originally Posted by Big Kahuna SEO View Post

      So, if SeNuke links are so bad, do you think they can be used for negative SEO? In one of my niches the number 1 site only has 37 links total. Do you think a site like this could be taken down with SeNuke links pointing to it?? Just a curiosity
      Yes and it can be done easily with Senuke. Since everything is automated and there are a lot of low quality links in Senuke plus links that are highly spammed, you can get a site banned/flagged by just submitting the link to Senuke and running a full blast campaign for days.

      I am not saying that Senuke is bad. I agree with some comments here that you can still use this software but with moderation. I use this tool too but I make sure that I only submit highly spun and good content. I also DO NOT submit to sites with low PR and just run my campaign 2x per month and the rest is focused more on manual, old school marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by Big Kahuna SEO View Post

      So, if SeNuke links are so bad, do you think they can be used for negative SEO? In one of my niches the number 1 site only has 37 links total. Do you think a site like this could be taken down with SeNuke links pointing to it?? Just a curiosity
      first forgive me for not capitalizing anything, i've got a baby in on arm

      the topic is does it help rank for anything remotely competitive. thats a clear no.

      if it works for neg seo too, well i guess the op answered that by having his site tank. the time it took to tank though wouldnt really make it that great for neg seo. there are other more expedient software that could make just as poor quality links but in a fraction of the time.

      enough said on that subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasCage
    please share some high resolution image of screenshot, this is not visible..
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    SeNuke software is very good for link building tier #2 and also tier #3. If you want to build links tier #1, do it manually - don't use the software. Don't forget to do drip feed for keeping the site safely.

    In Penguin 2.1 update, the quality is more important than the quantity. So set your mindset in acquiring high quality backlinks from high authority sites as the tier #1.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post

      In Penguin 2.1 update, the quality is more important than the quantity. So set your mindset in acquiring high quality backlinks from high authority sites as the tier #1.
      So if I have "high quality backlinks from high authority sites as the tier #1."

      Why on earth would I need to whack them with Senuke? That's a bit contradictory don't you think?

      I have a good link, lets blow it out of the index with some spam YAY..Legendary logic...

      Here Einstein..I picked up this domain for my Tier 1 network last week.



      How many Senuke Full Monty V8 campaigns do you think it needs, and how long should I drip feed them over?.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post


        How many Senuke Full Monty V8 campaigns do you think it needs, and how long should I drip feed them over?.
        phffft your citation flow should always be three times your trust flow. So that sucker needs at least a month of full out hide the dog and children Senuke blast to energize the flux PR capacitor .
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      • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
        Yes, both trust flow and citation flow factors influence SEO effort in Google.

        e.g: A site with higher trust flow and lower page rank counted also by Google.

        But I have no exact formula about it.

        Do the drip feed until your blog / site get higher page rank or get top ranking at Google for targeted keywords which you want to rank.

        Take action and do the link building manually. You can do it yourself or outsource to someone to it for you. For the tier #1, don't use the automation submission software, so all links in tier #1 looks as natural at Google.

        About web 2.0 properties, article directories, press releases, etc which used as the tier #1, make sure to use all articles which pass copyscape 100% - don't spin articles and also don't rewrite articles. For getting max results. You can outsource cheap article writing service for this - e.g: iwriter.

        For tier #2, spinning articles or rewriting articles - this is okay. But make sure that all articles will be unique and differ from the original articles.



        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        So if I have "high quality backlinks from high authority sites as the tier #1."

        Why on earth would I need to whack them with Senuke? That's a bit contradictory don't you think?

        I have a good link, lets blow it out of the index with some spam YAY..Legendary logic...

        Here Einstein..I picked up this domain for my Tier 1 network last week.



        How many Senuke Full Monty V8 campaigns do you think it needs, and how long should I drip feed them over?.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by himanuzo View Post



          I was going to write something, but I've had my fill of debating with the delusional this week.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            I dunno I like the part where it talks about high trustflow and then talks about web 2.0s as if they have high trustflow.

            Okay I didn't laugh but it did put a smile on my face.
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      • Profile picture of the author jackrice
        Got a question for you, does google have a metric that helps them to know manually generated backlinks and that done with a software
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        So if I have "high quality backlinks from high authority sites as the tier #1."

        Why on earth would I need to whack them with Senuke? That's a bit contradictory don't you think?

        I have a good link, lets blow it out of the index with some spam YAY..Legendary logic...

        Here Einstein..I picked up this domain for my Tier 1 network last week.





        How many Senuke Full Monty V8 campaigns do you think it needs, and how long should I drip feed them over?.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by jackrice View Post

          Got a question for you, does google have a metric that helps them to know manually generated backlinks and that done with a software
          It's in their job title, the hint. "WEBSPAM TEAM"

          That's their job, to find key identifiers within the link graph. That indicates to them possible "WebSpam". What do you think it all done by hand?

          It's called an "Algorythm". It seems to be doing a real good job of preventing Senuke from doing much damage to anything remotely competitive. So yeah I'd say they have a few metrics alright.

          If I was them I'd look at "Linkloss" rates. Because when your using tools to post, you don't have that detailed editorial oversight. To how and where your posting. In this situation its not Google you need worry about, its the mods of those sites your spamming. Sites that offer real value to the web do not have such massive ongoing loss of links. Mods don't have any reason to delete good content with links pointing to "Good sites". That's a dead easy way to spot automated link spam.

          That's just one, there's plenty more...
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    I havent posted in months.. been busy crushing it.

    Heres the thing..

    GOOGLE CAN TELL WHEN YOU MAKE LINKS ON SELF POST SITES.

    Any site where you sign up, create an account and drop a link in some form, GOOGLE CAN TELL. If you think they can't you are really freaking silly.

    It takes 2 minutes to write a classifier after where they say more than X links from self post sites = penguin. It just took them some time to create algorithms to detect all these self post sites, but they have done it.

    Also they are raping multi topic sites link value, unless they are say... the bbc.

    So u need relevant links, from high PR pages. 10 of those links allows me to outrank u little spammers every day.

    How about you guys get to work and start creating good sites that people like. Thats what i do. My traffic is growing every week. Good site, + good content = win.

    P.S im now approaching $20k month profit.

    P.P.S my sig link strategy doesnt work anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author planetlubs
      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post


      P.P.S my sig link strategy doesnt work anymore.

      I was prompted to click over to the strategy and it is a nice and informative read.

      Back to the original post.

      I have a site which I started in April of this year. I have only used SEnuke to build links. for the first four months,it was continuously rising in Ranks and traffic, with several keywords on page 1,2 and 3. My site now has 94 posts of unique content.
      However, In late August and the whole of September, ranking completely tanked and traffic fell to 10 visitors /day average and adsense and amazon earnings from it fell to zero. I stopped posting and any link building. I dint do any link removal though.

      Surprisingly, in November, the site came back just to where it was before the rankings fell.

      The only thing that changed is that Hostgator (where the site is hosted ) did some migration in my reseller account servers and assigned new IPS to my sites.

      Could Senuke have caused the fall? Was a Change in IP the cause of the come back, or did the recent changes bring about the new improvement regardless of the fact that my links are only build with Senuke?

      I hope this is not hijacking the thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author kesehatan
        Oh no, I just have to be careful next time.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Just look at the list of sites which come with Senuke. Those article-directories....lowest quality spam crap, same with the Wikis etc.

    Senuke literally combines all YOU SHOULD NOT DO ANYMORE in SEO and does it, and you'll pay a premium price for it...literally
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    It's not the tool, it's how you use the tool
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  • Profile picture of the author jackrice
    frankly speaking it is not the tool but the user as well as poor spun article is the major cause why most site using software as a means of getting backlinks got tanks

    there are sure ways you will use this tool such that it will look natural with a very well spun content, what about considering posting 20 links per day with the aid of this tool, this is moderate when compare to posting 100s or 1000s of links using badly spun content, in fact doing this just mean you are killing your site with your own hand intentionally or unintentional
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