** What do you want to know about linkbuilding? ***

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I've found that linkbuilding seems to be the topic that most newbies get hung up on when it comes to internet marketing and getting fantastic rankings in the search engines.

But it doesn't need to be that way - it's pretty straightforward.

And let's be honest, getting a top ranking is how you're going to get the most traffic, make the most sales and get the most results.

I've ranked in the top 3 on google for keywords in excess of 3.3 million competing pages

So with that in mind, what would you like to know?
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  • Profile picture of the author David
    When you sign up for a forum... and you're signing up for it just to get your sig file on...

    is it necessary to actually post to said forum?

    AFAIK Google will take a max of two inbound links from a domain, ANY domain...

    so.. if you have your forum profile filled out (that's one inbound for you)
    and you fill out the sig file (that's two)

    is it necessary to add a post to the forum to make 3?

    sorry if my question sounds to newbie-ish but we all have time constraints and there are thousands of places to fill out profiles...
    thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by David View Post

      When you sign up for a forum... and you're signing up for it just to get your sig file on...

      is it necessary to actually post to said forum?

      AFAIK Google will take a max of two inbound links from a domain, ANY domain...

      so.. if you have your forum profile filled out (that's one inbound for you)
      and you fill out the sig file (that's two)

      is it necessary to add a post to the forum to make 3?

      sorry if my question sounds to newbie-ish but we all have time constraints and there are thousands of places to fill out profiles...
      thanks
      Well, even though google doesn't count more than a couple inbound links from a domain, by actually posting on the forum, you add more links that increase your chances of getting crawled.

      And the name of the game is getting crawled (ie having search engine spiders find a link to your site, follow it and index your pages), because the more often the search engines visit your page, the more popular they see your page as (which helps your serp ranking)

      This is where if you have a few posts in a forum it will increase your chances of getting crawled.

      See, on forums there are thousands upon thousands of pages that a search engine spider could visit. And truth be told, they can't visit them all in a day. So even though you may have a link on one page buried deep down on the inside of a site, it may take days, weeks, months (or more) before a search engine spider actually finds the link to your site.

      By posting multiple times, you speed up this process.

      TIP: you want to post on pages with a high pagerank (as a high pagerank often shows the popularity of the page and will have more serp spider activity - ie a pr 7 page will have spiders visit more often than a pr1 page) and a high level of popularity, as this will help increase your rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author llfleming
    how many high PR links is enough? 30? 100? 1000? don't say more than you competitor because i know that is not the answer.

    i want to know because a]i want to have many different sites and building 10 links a day [for example] 8 niches seems unlikely.
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    • Profile picture of the author JustaWizard
      Well gosh, since you're offering, how about we - well, I... - get greedy and just ask for your entire backlink strategy, and with the how to do it along with the what to do? :-)

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author rainking
        Originally Posted by JustaWizard View Post

        Well gosh, since you're offering, how about we - well, I... - get greedy and just ask for your entire backlink strategy, and with the how to do it along with the what to do? :-)

        David
        Ha ha ha, I like your style! Why beat around the bush?

        Well, I plan on revealing my complete strategy, but I want to make sure that I'm answering people's specific issues/problems/hang ups

        I could write out a step by step formula (which I will), but if people have specific problems, I can help them get over their immediate hurdle without having to go through the whole process (and if they have specific problems, then I know that they're actually going to put my advice to work, which will give them results!)

        I'll keep you posted on the method, but in the meantime if you have something specific....
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        • Profile picture of the author JustaWizard
          Originally Posted by rainking View Post

          Ha ha ha, I like your style! Why beat around the bush?

          Well, I plan on revealing my complete strategy, but I want to make sure that I'm answering people's specific issues/problems/hang ups

          I could write out a step by step formula (which I will), but if people have specific problems, I can help them get over their immediate hurdle without having to go through the whole process (and if they have specific problems, then I know that they're actually going to put my advice to work, which will give them results!)

          I'll keep you posted on the method, but in the meantime if you have something specific....
          Thanks for saying you like my style :-) - okay, I've got a more specific question then: one of my main backlinking strategies invovles using SocialMarker.com to bookmark new pages I create on a website, and sometimes blog posts or hub pages squidoo or other secondary sites supporting my main site.

          So my question is:

          1. I admit I do tend to bookmark mostly my stuff and only occasionally other pages I find that are cool to share - does that "hurt" my bookmarking efforts?

          2. I've heard of socialbot, bookmarking demon, or other tools to make social bookmarking easier (even easier than SocialMarker) but I'm not really sure which one to buy - any advice?

          THANKS! :-)
          David
          aka JustaWizard (BTW, just for fun - my username is a play on one of Todd Rundgren's album titles.... just thought I"d toss that out in the off chance there's any TR fans here on the WF.... :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by llfleming View Post

      how many high PR links is enough? 30? 100? 1000? don't say more than you competitor because i know that is not the answer.

      i want to know because a]i want to have many different sites and building 10 links a day [for example] 8 niches seems unlikely.
      The number of high pr links needed depends on the amount of competition for the search term you are targeting.

      So, yes, you do need more than your competitor, but there are other factors involved.

      Such as:

      -onpage seo. You have to see what they're doing on their page and then do a slightly better job in regards to the use of your tags, keyword density, etc
      -link anchor text - you have to change this up and vary what's included in your anchor text

      Time also comes into play here. Even though you may have more links than your competition, it doesn't mean that you're going to rank higher than them immediately. It can take a few days, or weeks for google to update it's serp listings to where you see your improvements show up for your linkbuilding efforts

      Does that help?
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      How long is a piece of string?

      The answer to your question is unknowable. There isnt a magic number of backlinks - that gets you ahead of your competitor. Is it possible they are going to keep building content and backlinks? YES.

      Originally Posted by llfleming View Post

      how many high PR links is enough? 30? 100? 1000? don't say more than you competitor because i know that is not the answer.

      i want to know because a]i want to have many different sites and building 10 links a day [for example] 8 niches seems unlikely.
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      • Profile picture of the author llfleming
        thanks, i think i'll just use mass article marketing.

        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        How long is a piece of string?

        The answer to your question is unknowable. There isnt a magic number of backlinks - that gets you ahead of your competitor. Is it possible they are going to keep building content and backlinks? YES.
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  • Profile picture of the author bandonflyer
    Can you give us a bit of info on your approach to link building? Obviously there are lots of ways - blog commenting, article marketing, link exchanges, paid links, forum posting...

    Just curious what your "guidance" would be?
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by bandonflyer View Post

      Can you give us a bit of info on your approach to link building? Obviously there are lots of ways - blog commenting, article marketing, link exchanges, paid links, forum posting...

      Just curious what your "guidance" would be?
      To be honest, it's all about the quality of links that you get, and once you've built up a huge number of sites where you can post links to (while getting really hot links), it becomes a lot easier.

      My specific guidance (for now anyways) would be not to waste your money on paid links or link exchanges - better to spend the time finding a competent worker who can post to the list of sites that you've gathered. Your time + money will be much better spent (check elance for workers like this)
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  • Profile picture of the author jkgulick
    I want to know if/how affiliate links count in Google's algorithm. I run the Power Pumper affiliate program and I'm just wondering what effect if any they will have on our serp status.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by jkgulick View Post

      I want to know if/how affiliate links count in Google's algorithm. I run the Power Pumper affiliate program and I'm just wondering what effect if any they will have on our serp status.
      It depends on how your affiliate links are structured. Most often i find that if they are a straight redirect, that google doesn't index the page that redirects to the affiliate offer

      That being said, there are a couple ways that people have their redirects

      Say for example you're selling your product on clickbank. Most affiliates will take the clickbank hoplink and use it. This does nothing for your pagerank (though search engines may see some traffic increase to your site which helps the popularity of your site), but it helps clickbank (because all links are pointing to them, and then they redirect to your sales page).

      The other way is to run your own affiliate links that redirect back to clickbank (so the links the affiliate use are something like: yourdomain.com/aff=4384 instead of 48jfaf.clickbanksite.com or however they look

      Hopefully that helps. Basically you want all affiliate links pointing to your website (not the payment processors) if you're wanting to increase your serp ranking
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  • Profile picture of the author toffee
    I would like to know if you are pro or con softwares for automatic submission to directories, blogs etc.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by toffee View Post

      I would like to know if you are pro or con softwares for automatic submission to directories, blogs etc.

      Thanks
      Software is pretty hit or miss. You can get results using it, but they aren't usually as effective. As most software can't break captchas (though i know of a couple programs that can), most comments/submissions get filtered out.

      So in a list of 2000 you may end up with 10 submissions or so, just because of the additional security, how quickly sites change etc

      I'm not saying don't use software (because you can get some results) - but you've got to really be careful about using good software, as most people will pitch you saying that all you need to do is press a button and you'll get top serp rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author John Brown
    What I would like to know about link building is factual information. Information backed up by tests and studies, with proof.

    I've heard so many different things on this forum about bookmarking only 1 site per day, others say build as many links consistently as possible, etc etc.

    In my own experience I've bookmarked as much as possible and this seemed to make a few pages drop off, while my friend that started off really slow is ranking better for a more competitive keyword, only building a few backlinks a day.

    I suppose what I want are theories supported by evidence!
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by John Brown View Post

      What I would like to know about link building is factual information. Information backed up by tests and studies, with proof.

      I've heard so many different things on this forum about bookmarking only 1 site per day, others say build as many links consistently as possible, etc etc.

      In my own experience I've bookmarked as much as possible and this seemed to make a few pages drop off, while my friend that started off really slow is ranking better for a more competitive keyword, only building a few backlinks a day.

      I suppose what I want are theories supported by evidence!
      There are sooo many different factors to consider that I can't just give you a simple answer.

      Some of the things to consider:
      -the amount of competition
      -how new the domain you are promoting is
      -what sites you are linking from
      -how quickly your links are found and indexed by the search engines


      And that's just the beginning.

      Your friend has the right idea, though. Slow and steady submissions for your main site are the safest way to go.

      If you go too crazy, you will get de-indexed (as it sounds like that may be what's happening with you)

      If you want to go nuts with the linkbuilding, set up a free blog somewhere (like at blogspot) and bookmark it like crazy and see what happens. That way if you are dropped from the serps, no big deal. (Just remember to put a few links on the blogspot page to the main site you want to promote)

      Unfortunately if you want specific tried and tested results, you may have to do them yourself. I'm not wanting to rain on your parade, but specific documented results are good in theory, but the minute you change the search term you're wanting to rank for, it changes everything.

      For example, the techniques used to rank for "dogs" may not work for "wedding dresses" - the same techniques have to be scaled + adjusted accordingly for the term you want to rank for - so it's never a one size fits all approach
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  • Profile picture of the author seo-authority
    Book marking, articles, forums - They are all good stuff but carry little value in terms of link juice. In most cases the actual page PR is 0 where your link exists or even grey if it hasnt been indexed at all. Links like this should be placed in conjunction with high impacting link techniques. Check out my site link below. Our links comply to the following golden rules

    1. We place your link on the page (usually homepage) that has the actual PR (Page Rank) we advertise
    2. Links are placed on high quality sites that contain on topic, relevant content to your website.
    3. The link page is included in the main Google index and regularly crawled by Google
    4. Contextual links will contain the target keywords of your choice as a text hyperlink.
    5. Each link is from a completely different class C IP address.
    6. Links will be from unique, NON PAID, English language websites only.
    7. The page where the link is placed will contain a low number of other outbound links.
    8. All links are crawlable i.e. Do not contain no-follow tags, robot tags, javascript, meta/redirect scripts.
    9. Links will never be from adult, porn, casino, pharmacy, free hosted or blacklisted websites.
    10. Links will NOT be placed on framed pages, flash websites, guest books or classified ads pages

    take a look, let em know your thoughts

    Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Ive heard this talked about, but not really explained. Whats the benefit to this or the downside to not having it?

      5. Each link is from a completely different class C IP address.
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      • Profile picture of the author rainking
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Ive heard this talked about, but not really explained. Whats the benefit to this or the downside to not having it?
        Different C class ips are a way of distributing your sites among different ip addresses.

        Now, if you use different ip addresses, it shows you are getting links from different webpages from different places (so it doesn't look like you've just set up a whole bunch of pages on your web server that all link to your site).

        It's one of the ways that search engines can filter links to make sure that a webmaster isn't just building his/her own pages and linking them to his/her own sites to rank higher.

        HINT: That's why setting up free pages on web 2.0 sites like squidoo can really help your ranking (because it's a link from a totally different ip address).

        C class ip addresses are usually offered as an add on service to your webhosting (so you can buy additional c class ip addresses and distribute your sites along it) which will help your sites appear to be linked from slightly different sources.

        As C class ips are still somewhat related (as they exist on the same machine and can only differ soo much), they still run the risk of being seen as related (though having different c class ips is waaaay better than not having different ips)

        Does that make sense?
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        • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
          Yes. Makes sense.

          That was more a commentary on what different class c's are and how to get them. I was more concerned about info on the value of links from domains hosted on other ips than my own, linking back to my sites.

          More empirical data that would indicate what the SE's really see when links from same/similar ip's appear.

          There's other info on the internet indicating that Matt Cutts has stated google doesnt treat links coming to your sites from different domains on the same ip any differently - as they realize there are hosts with 1,000's of domains on the same class c ip.

          Originally Posted by rainking View Post

          Different C class ips are a way of distributing your sites among different ip addresses.

          Now, if you use different ip addresses, it shows you are getting links from different webpages from different places (so it doesn't look like you've just set up a whole bunch of pages on your web server that all link to your site).

          It's one of the ways that search engines can filter links to make sure that a webmaster isn't just building his/her own pages and linking them to his/her own sites to rank higher.

          HINT: That's why setting up free pages on web 2.0 sites like squidoo can really help your ranking (because it's a link from a totally different ip address).

          C class ip addresses are usually offered as an add on service to your webhosting (so you can buy additional c class ip addresses and distribute your sites along it) which will help your sites appear to be linked from slightly different sources.

          As C class ips are still somewhat related (as they exist on the same machine and can only differ soo much), they still run the risk of being seen as related (though having different c class ips is waaaay better than not having different ips)

          Does that make sense?
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  • Profile picture of the author richardhooper
    hi,
    i have to get a backlinks for the keywords. how to get a faster links can any one have any ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      I have many ideas richard :-)

      Are you only interested in free solutions?

      Originally Posted by richardhooper View Post

      hi,
      i have to get a backlinks for the keywords. how to get a faster links can any one have any ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by richardhooper View Post

      hi,
      i have to get a backlinks for the keywords. how to get a faster links can any one have any ideas.
      For starters, you could look for blogs to post comments on - that will help. There are millions of ideas - stay tuned and i'll tell you more later
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  • Profile picture of the author Treece
    I'm looking for a beginner's guide. I'm pretty happy with our organic ranking on Google, but have not done any SEO, backlinking, etc. and wonder how it will benefit us if I concentrate on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by Treece View Post

      I'm looking for a beginner's guide. I'm pretty happy with our organic ranking on Google, but have not done any SEO, backlinking, etc. and wonder how it will benefit us if I concentrate on it.
      What is your current ranking? If you're already ranking for the specific term you want, I'd concentrate on other things while slowly adding a few links here and there.

      I will be coming out with a complete guide in the near future - so i'll keep you posted!
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  • Profile picture of the author Buhry
    What are the top reasons people get slapped/punished etc in relation to linkbuilding?
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  • Profile picture of the author Treece
    Our ranking is 4, but we always show up first in Google and Yahoo for our primary key words. We have 0 backlinks and I'm trying to decide if I should care.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainking
      Originally Posted by Treece View Post

      Our ranking is 4, but we always show up first in Google and Yahoo for our primary key words. We have 0 backlinks and I'm trying to decide if I should care.
      Well, if you're already getting a top ranking for those keywords, I wouldn't see it as being too much of a priority at the moment in terms of the amount of time, effort and money you spend on your backlinking efforts.

      That being said, there's no guarantee that you'll be in the top spot forever. With that in mind, i think you should work on getting a few backlinks every month to your site. See it as preventative maintenance, so that you'll retain your top ranking and won't get booted out by a competitor in days to come.

      But take it SLOW. You're already on top - so don't go crazy and throw up hundreds of backlinks to your site every day (or month!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Buhry
    What is the best way for me to get traffic to a new blog quickly? I'm looking to monetize trends, so I don't have time to wait for days before I get traffic to my blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author David
      Originally Posted by Buhry View Post

      What is the best way for me to get traffic to a new blog quickly? I'm looking to monetize trends, so I don't have time to wait for days before I get traffic to my blog.

      You don't have time to wait for days?

      ... boy are you spoiled...

      it used to take weeks, now it takes days
      be grateful for what you have
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      • Profile picture of the author Jimerson Farveez
        I really get amazed to see so many people are talking about this in every forums I visit in fact most of the forums are related to SEO I think. So I am confused which forum helps to get traffic and which does not.
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