PPC- What the heck, does Anything Sells?

by wizbiz
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It's been disaster lately, I have like $1K in my ppc Acc to spend and have no product/services to promote.. Nothing converts, Absolutely nothing, compare to 2012 for example. All bids are Inflated through the roof, and nothing converts. How the heck people actually paying $1-$2 per click?

Sure I can collect leads, but I don't need them, seriously, why do I need leads which never buys anything?
I can buy Leads every time and just shoot emails from gmail with same result.
What are you guys promoting? Any affiliate program that actually converts?
Currently promoting some low priced WSO, looks good to me, landing page and everything else, cost only $8 but please, 150 clicks and 1 sale? That's like 0.05 EPC?
It's not even funny anymore. Internet looks more and more like a BIG trash can.
Do you have any program that converts? PM me.. Thanks.
#heck #ppc #sells
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    When I see a digital product for $8,- I automatically think it sucks / WSO section.

    Why not promote expensive stuff, real products for example?
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    High ticket products are the way to go.

    Are you building your e-mail list? Are you marketing to them effectively?
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    • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
      Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

      High ticket products are the way to go.

      Are you building your e-mail list? Are you marketing to them effectively?
      I'm not building email list, but If I have nothing to sell then might as well grab

      some leads, which is better than nothing.

      Well, high ticket product I have with my CPA networks mostly weight loss/pills

      some on TV products and that be it.. Who has the high ticket product Affiliate program?

      Amazon? but they are paying 4-6%, Who else?

      Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi wizbiz,

      ... and have no product/services to promote.
      I think the answer you seek lies in solving the dilemma that centers around that statement.

      No point in marketing if you do not have a really good product, or service to promote. Start there... focus all of your resources on locating a great product, or service, to promote. Once you have a few candidates, negotiate with supplies to get the best possible margins, then begin marketing.

      One thing you need to realize is that there are more people every day learning marketing, and many of those that do it full time are getting better with each passing day. You can no longer use marketing that worked in 2012 for today's consumers.

      The one "constant" trend in marketing is that "what works today will not work as well, or at all, in the near future."

      One of the recent trends I have noticed in PPC advertising for Search is that consumers are beginning to trust the rankings of ad positions more than ever, and most sales/conversions now come from the top 3 ad positions. If someone is in the mood to buy, they often make their purchases from the top ad positions, while generally ignoring the lower ad positions.

      The relative difference in conversion rates, based on ad position has expanded dramatically during 2013. It is not uncommon to see conversion rates for that exact same ad and landing page combo convert at a rate that is 3 times higher in the top ad slot as compared to the 4th ad position. Naturally this varies from niche to niche, but it is a broad trend for many niches.

      As marketers react to this recent trend they are forced to compete heavily for those top few ad positions, only the very best marketers, with the best strategies, and offers, are able to compete successfully for those few ad slots. If your competitors have better profit margins, then you are not going to be able to compete, except within niches where only 1 or 2 serious competitors are active.

      The techniques and tools that marketers use today are not the same as was used in 2012. If you are not up-to-date with all of your marketing strategies, tactics, and tools, there will be no room in the market for you. I had to up my game several times during 2013, as my competitor's devised more and more clever strategies. For example I had to write sophisticated bidding algorithms because competitors have improved theirs to compensate for the consumer trend to purchase almost exclusively for top advertisers.

      I now have to use dozens of combinations of signals, and time frames, to combine bidding strategies into multiple layers with hundreds of possible counter strategies just to combat all of the possible bidding strategies devised by today's competitors. It's now a game of automated bidding algorithms based on sophisticated marketing strategies, you must be good at this new game, or go home.

      Conversion rates based on position are not the only broadly changing trend in marketing during 2013. We also noted a broad shift in user devices. For example we had a business that was dominating a small, but very competitive niche, after the successful implementation of a strategy to drive out the weaker players. But then suddenly, over a period of only 45 days we saw a radical shift in market share where one of the strongest competitors nearly doubled his percentage of market share.

      After many hours of analysis we finally discovered the cause. This one competitor had very subtly shifted his web design to a Responsive Web design to take advantage of major shift in consumer use of mobile devices. We didn't even realize he had made this change until we tested his website at smaller screen portal sizes. That prompted us to launch immediate redesign projects on many of our websites. It took months to regain lost market share.

      Today's competitors are much more sophisticated than those you encountered in 2012, there is no longer easy money at nearly ever turn, you must work harder than ever to earn. And, even if you have superior marketing, you are still at a disadvantage if your competitors have better profit margins. So start there, find a supplier that can offer you a competitive advantage, then get busy upping your game.
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      • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        If you are not up-to-date with all of your marketing strategies, tactics, and tools, there will be no room in the market for you.
        WOW, what I statement, All I asked: is There Affiliate Network, with such high ticket$
        price items available? And Whatever "tools" you use, I can compete with you all the time, cause I'm paying 10c on the $1. I can afford not to track anything. If Item sells it sells. Got any products to Promote?

        Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
          Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

          WOW, what I statement, All I asked: is There Affiliate Network, with such high ticket$
          price items available? And Whatever "tools" you use, I can compete with you all the time, cause I'm paying 10c on the $1. I can afford not to track anything. If Item sells it sells. Got any products to Promote?

          Thank you.
          It's tough to get direct answers in this forum. There is so often a not-so-hidden motive or agenda. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
          Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

          WOW, what I statement, All I asked: is There Affiliate Network, with such high ticket$
          price items available? And Whatever "tools" you use, I can compete with you all the time, cause I'm paying 10c on the $1. I can afford not to track anything. If Item sells it sells. Got any products to Promote?

          Thank you.
          Sure, man. Let me whip up a list of my highest paying products. While I'm at it I'll include the keywords and bids I'm using.

          But you have to promise to keep it secret
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          • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
            Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

            Sure, man. Let me whip up a list of my highest paying products. While I'm at it I'll include the keywords and bids I'm using.

            But you have to promise to keep it secret
            Dear Sir, I understand your sarcasm But I'm not asking for your

            high converting product list, Just asking if there is any CPA Affiliate Network

            which has such products, which is of course pretty close to trying to narrow

            the search for your list of high convertible product
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

          WOW, what I statement, All I asked: is There Affiliate Network, with such high ticket$
          price items available? And Whatever "tools" you use, I can compete with you all the time, cause I'm paying 10c on the $1. I can afford not to track anything. If Items sells it sells. Got any products to Promote?

          Thank you.
          Hi wizbiz,

          Sorry, I didn't make my point clear.

          It doesn't matter which Affiliate Network you use, or which high ticket offers you promote, if your competitors are buying all of the high converting traffic and you are focused on only the "10c on the $1" non-converting traffic, that doesn't convert like it did in 2012.

          More importantly, due to recent trends, affiliate marketing no longer works at the same level it did in the past. Only a small percentage of affiliate marketers are having the success they had in the past. It might be a good time to look at other business models, like drop shipping/eCommerce, or developing your own products? Just a suggestion.
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          • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
            Originally Posted by dburk View Post

            Hi wizbiz,

            Sorry, I didn't make my point clear.

            It doesn't matter which Affiliate Network you use, or which high ticket offers you promote, if your competitors are buying all of the high converting traffic and you are focused on only the "10c on the $1" non-converting traffic, that doesn't convert like it did in 2012.

            More importantly, due to recent trends, affiliate marketing no longer works at the same level it did in the past. Only a small percentage of affiliate marketers are having the success they had in the past. It might be a good time to look at other business models, like drop shipping/eCommerce, or developing your own products? Just a suggestion.
            These are good points. My own experience confirms what your saying is true.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    If you are having so much trouble converting CPC traffic to WSO products, just quit that game and concentrate on your remarkable money making idea that makes you $1,172.00 per week. No sense in working so hard on something that isn't profitable when you can focus on what is working, and double the $1,172.00 you are making now.
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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      If you are having so much trouble converting CPC traffic to WSO products, just quit that game and concentrate on your remarkable money making idea that makes you $1,172.00 per week. No sense in working so hard on something that isn't profitable when you can focus on what is working, and double the $1,172.00 you are making now.
      Hey, man. That's cold!
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      If you are having so much trouble converting CPC traffic to WSO products, just quit that game and concentrate on your remarkable money making idea that makes you $1,172.00 per week. No sense in working so hard on something that isn't profitable when you can focus on what is working, and double the $1,172.00 you are making now.
      Stop making sense, your confusing people.
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    There's a lot of things to do to get a positive ROI.

    1) Get a decent (converting) landing pages that have good QS
    2) Get an affiliate offer that pays at least $150 per lead
    3) Be ready to burn at least $3000 at first (there's no way around)
    4) See what your competitors are doing and see how you can improve your own site

    etc...

    There's a huge competition in PPC, especially in Adwords. So it takes some time, hard work and $$$ to make it work.
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    • Profile picture of the author wizbiz
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      2) Get an affiliate offer that pays at least $150 per lead
      See? That's what I'm trying to ask here all alone.. None of My CPA's has anything close to $100.
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

        See? That's what I'm trying to ask here all alone.. None of My CPA's has anything close to $100. I'm not looking on advise for Landing Page and Other BS like quit, do this and that.
        Hi wizbiz,

        I get what you are saying, but stop and think for a moment. Your OP was placed in the PPC/SEO/AdSense Forum, you should expect replies that are centered on one or more of those topics.

        If all you meant to ask was for affiliate network suggestions that have high ticket items, then perhaps your OP should not have been placed in this forum? Don't blame members who are replying on topic for recognizing the forum topic and actually sticking to the forum topic as the context for replies.

        Perhaps you will get the type of answers you are looking for if you start a new thread in the Main Internet Marketing Forum where that particular aspect of your OP is more relevant.
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      • Profile picture of the author online only
        Originally Posted by wizbiz View Post

        See? That's what I'm trying to ask here all alone.. None of My CPA's has anything close to $100.
        You gotta be kidding? Have you used Google before, no?
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