Algorithmic penalty - move to a new domain?

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Hi,

Since 4th Oct, my site has been penalized by Google. My money keywords have dropped rankings and I've never quiet recovered.
I contacted plenty of webmasters to remove bad links, I filed a Disavow file to Google but I'm still between 70 and 150 for my main keyword (I used to be 1). Same thing for other money keywords.

I'm now thinking if I should maybe start everything all over again, i.e. build up a new domain and a new website?

What do you think?

I have several questions:
- I have over 30 blog posts on the penalized domain. Should I copy them to the new domain and publish them straight away or gradually?
- To not lose any traffic from people still going to the penalized domain, should I do a 301 redirect? a 302 redirect? If I do this, the SERP ranking for my new domain will be negatively affected? (I mean, will Google 'know' from this redirection that the new site is a 'copy' of the old one and penalize it equally?)
- What about very good links I have pointing to my old domain? If i do a 301 or 302 redirect, will the link juice be passed to my new domain? Or would you advise to build completely brand new links?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Nicolas.
#algorithmic #domain #move #penalty
  • Profile picture of the author Mr Lim
    You see I've heard many stories on ********************forum and they got their sites penelized since the Penguin, those animals... You know..

    What happen is that, they redirect the "Penalized Sites" to the new sites, and they had their ranking recover(Yes). Oh well, I haven't experneice it, you might try it if it works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author iamseo
    Can you please share your blog URL? I want to check your backlink profile.

    Answers:
    1. If you are buying new domain why use old content. It little risky.
    2. True, Redirection is not the solution in your case.
    3. Linkjuice will pass but it get discounted to around 70 to 80%(Not fixed).
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    • Profile picture of the author LarryKowalsky
      Originally Posted by iamseo View Post

      1. If you are buying new domain why use old content. It little risky.
      Becouse this is algorithm penalty for bad links.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
      Originally Posted by iamseo View Post

      Can you please share your blog URL? I want to check your backlink profile.

      Answers:
      1. If you are buying new domain why use old content. It little risky.
      2. True, Redirection is not the solution in your case.
      3. Linkjuice will pass but it get discounted to around 70 to 80%(Not fixed).
      Hi,
      Thanks for your answers!
      My blog url is batterievoiturepro.com.

      I was planning to use old content because first I would remove it from old site, then after a while add it back to my new site. And content is not the issue. The algorithmic penaly for sure comes from bad linking.

      Nicolas.
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  • Profile picture of the author LarryKowalsky
    Originally Posted by nicolasodc View Post

    Hi,
    I contacted plenty of webmasters to remove bad links, I filed a Disavow file to Google but I'm still between 70 and 150 for my main keyword (I used to be 1). Same thing for other money keywords.

    I'm now thinking if I should maybe start everything all over again, i.e. build up a new domain and a new website?
    If you have algorithm penalty, you must wait for next big update. If your site won't recover earlier positions, change domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
      Originally Posted by LarryKowalsky View Post

      If you have algorithm penalty, you must wait for next big update. If your site won't recover earlier positions, change domain.
      Any clue for when the next big update is going to come?
      Nicolas.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Someone please tell him it's ok to have multiple sites. At the very least use the slapped domain for Yahoo/Bing, not massive traffic but there's still some traffic, plus the site is already built.

    Stop building junk links when targeting Google SERPs, otherwise the next site will end up getting slapped...
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    • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Someone please tell him it's ok to have multiple sites. At the very least use the slapped domain for Yahoo/Bing, not massive traffic but there's still some traffic, plus the site is already built.

      Stop building junk links when targeting Google SERPs, otherwise the next site will end up getting slapped...
      Hi
      Don't worry i'm not planning to build any more junk links. It was my first site and I was trying stuff... which actually worked for a while, since I managed to earn around 900 $ in two months

      I dont know if I'll have multiples sites running at the same time ... I'd have duplicate content issues, right?
      Nicolas.
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  • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
    Moving to a new domain is a bad strategy, algorithm penalties can be recovered from. You just need to be very proactive in link cleanup on over optimized links and try and get rid of as many llow quality links as possible.

    What backlink sources are you suing to check your links and work on link removals from?
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  • Profile picture of the author promo87
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    i don't get it why algorithmic penalty is going to shift from one domain to another !!! It will not shift from one to other !!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by promo87 View Post

      i don't get it why algorithmic penalty is going to shift from one domain to another !!! I will not shift from one to other !!
      I don't get your replies....but, fight the power! Go man go!

      But seriously, what kind of "seo" are you peddling?

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author promo87
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        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I don't get your replies....but, fight the power! Go man go!

        But seriously, what kind of "seo" are you peddling?

        Paul
        I am not selling any kind of SEO just answering from my own point of view !! If you have any problem report that posts to moderator !! :p
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by promo87 View Post

      I will not shift from one to other !!
      Lol'd. Did you just call yourself "Google Penalty"?
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      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
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  • Profile picture of the author ThuyCuong
    i think you don't need change domain, when you use Disavow bad links and submit content to google, please wait google update.
    Now, you can pulish content and build trust links.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
    Guys, thanks a lot to all of you that answered. As said in one of my reply, my site is batterievoiturepro.com.
    As said, I've tried to remove multiple links by asking webmasters, filing Disavow file, ... but I still seem to have the penalty.
    If you have any clue of how I could have a clean link pofile, that would help me!
    Nicolas.
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    • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
      Originally Posted by nicolasodc View Post

      Guys, thanks a lot to all of you that answered. As said in one of my reply, my site is batterievoiturepro.com.
      As said, I've tried to remove multiple links by asking webmasters, filing Disavow file, ... but I still seem to have the penalty.
      If you have any clue of how I could have a clean link pofile, that would help me!
      Nicolas.
      Nicolas, how are you checking your links that you are removing? What backlink tools are you using? It sounds like you are missing links. Also how are you sure you are removing all of the bad links? Many times website owners think they are removing all of the bad links and miss many links.
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      • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
        Originally Posted by FranksToys View Post

        Nicolas, how are you checking your links that you are removing? What backlink tools are you using? It sounds like you are missing links. Also how are you sure you are removing all of the bad links? Many times website owners think they are removing all of the bad links and miss many links.
        Hi FranksToys.

        Well I listed my bad links using LinkDetox and asked for the removal for each of them to the webmaster, either by the contact form or by email. Those who didn't remove the links were added to a disavow file that I filed beginning of November I think.

        I'm using moz.com to check my backlinks...

        I might be missing some links, but I'm also wondering if it's not moz.com index that not being updated as often as I'd wish.

        And well, no, I'm not sure I'm removing all the bad links. But for example I did build some very ugly links myself, and asked for their removal. I also read that I should not have blogroll links so I tried to remove them from blogroll...

        What do you see as bad links?

        Oh and thanks for your answer, again!

        N.
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        • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
          Originally Posted by nicolasodc View Post

          Hi FranksToys.

          Well I listed my bad links using LinkDetox and asked for the removal for each of them to the webmaster, either by the contact form or by email. Those who didn't remove the links were added to a disavow file that I filed beginning of November I think.

          I'm using moz.com to check my backlinks...

          I might be missing some links, but I'm also wondering if it's not moz.com index that not being updated as often as I'd wish.

          And well, no, I'm not sure I'm removing all the bad links. But for example I did build some very ugly links myself, and asked for their removal. I also read that I should not have blogroll links so I tried to remove them from blogroll...

          What do you see as bad links?

          Oh and thanks for your answer, again!

          N.
          Thank you for your reply nicoloas, very thorough indeed. I wasn't expecting to hear back from you.

          The bad news is link detox tool cannot be relied upon, I tried relying on it when I had a penalty and the fact is their tool is of very low quality. They do very basic link checks to determine if a link is "good or bad". They also don't use all of the backlink checkers so you only get a small view of your actual backlinks. For the price they charge its a very bad value.

          What I would recommend you do is the following, check your links with the following services:
          • Moz
          • MajesticSEO
          • Ahrefs
          • Google Webmaster Tools
          The next thing you need to do is combine all of the URLs, remove duplicates and then check to make sure the links are even live on the website anymore. You can use a tool like scrapebox to do this.



          Once you have a list of links that are actually there I would then run some more checks through scrapebox to begin vetting your list. Check the pagerank of each for the page and domain, check the anchor text of links, check to see if the links are nofollow and dofollow, check the alexa score (just to see traffic of domain). There's actually more checks you can do to but that's a good start.


          Then sort the list based on all of those variables and then start looking at what links are of any real value. I would start with removing all directory links, that means article directory, link directory and any other kind of directory listing.



          Be aggressive with your link removals and make sure you follow up after a couple of weeks with another removal request until they finally comply.
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          • Profile picture of the author nicolasodc
            Thank you for your reply nicoloas, very thorough indeed. I wasn't expecting to hear back from you.

            The bad news is link detox tool cannot be relied upon, I tried relying on it when I had a penalty and the fact is their tool is of very low quality. They do very basic link checks to determine if a link is "good or bad". They also don't use all of the backlink checkers so you only get a small view of your actual backlinks. For the price they charge its a very bad value.
            Hey first thank you for your large answer. Much appreciated.
            Well yes yesterday i checked again my link that I had saved with LinkDetox and realized some spammy links were not seen as toxic by LinkDetox. I think I didnt pay for their subscription anyway cause there was a 30-days money guarantee... And well the results were not as good as I wanted so I cancalled

            What I would recommend you do is the following, check your links with the following services:
            • Moz
            • MajesticSEO
            • Ahrefs
            • Google Webmaster Tools
            The next thing you need to do is combine all of the URLs, remove duplicates and then check to make sure the links are even live on the website anymore. You can use a tool like scrapebox to do this.
            Yep, yesterday I subscribed to ahrefs and indeed found out links that I didn't know of...

            Once you have a list of links that are actually there I would then run some more checks through scrapebox to begin vetting your list. Check the pagerank of each for the page and domain, check the anchor text of links, check to see if the links are nofollow and dofollow, check the alexa score (just to see traffic of domain). There's actually more checks you can do to but that's a good start.


            Then sort the list based on all of those variables and then start looking at what links are of any real value. I would start with removing all directory links, that means article directory, link directory and any other kind of directory listing.
            I dont think I'll go through the hassle of scrapevox but I did start to remove directory listings (or at least asked the directory to remove my site)... I realize I had a lot of links coming from those... and while I don't know if they help me or prevent my rankings, I prefer to remove them - It can't get much worse than now anyway...

            Be aggressive with your link removals and make sure you follow up after a couple of weeks with another removal request until they finally comply.
            Thanks, very useful answer Much appreciated!!
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            • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
              Originally Posted by nicolasodc View Post

              Hey first thank you for your large answer. Much appreciated.
              Well yes yesterday i checked again my link that I had saved with LinkDetox and realized some spammy links were not seen as toxic by LinkDetox. I think I didnt pay for their subscription anyway cause there was a 30-days money guarantee... And well the results were not as good as I wanted so I cancalled


              Yep, yesterday I subscribed to ahrefs and indeed found out links that I didn't know of...


              I dont think I'll go through the hassle of scrapevox but I did start to remove directory listings (or at least asked the directory to remove my site)... I realize I had a lot of links coming from those... and while I don't know if they help me or prevent my rankings, I prefer to remove them - It can't get much worse than now anyway...



              Thanks, very useful answer Much appreciated!!
              No problem mate I am always here to help out WF members. I'm glad you tried out a new backlink checker and found more of your links. I think you will want to check out majestic as well. I think they give you a free report if you verify your domain so that's always helpful as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    I would suggesting starting a new site with the same content and deleting the penalized site from Web master tools
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  • Profile picture of the author LearningChinese
    Very helpful post here overall. It would be really helpful if Google just would be more transparent about this kind of thing. In the end it would be better for everyone. If they basically just went ahead and said look you stuffed it up this time and you're gonna have to start from scratch they'd actually discourage a lot of the shenanigans that lead to these kinds of things.
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