A Linkjuice Question.

by acprojects

Posted: 10 years ago 9 replies

Any observent attentive seo's watching the time between when google indexes a backlink and any subsequent movement in their target site ranking?

Is it instant? Does it take some hours? Days?

How often are google updating their private hidden pagerank (not toolbar pagerank). Realtime? Or delayed.

At what point does any link juice start to flow? Is it when the backlink is crawled? When the backlink page is indexed? Or some other time.

Thoughts anyone?

If you're interested. It's because I want to be able to judge the health of domains on my PBN.

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FranksToys 10 years ago

It is not in real time, most people think that the links need to age to pass along the trust of that link. I tend to agree as I don't see immediate ranking jumps when getting a link and as time as the link stays on the website I see my rankings increase over time.
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- acprojects 10 years ago
  
  Thanks Frankstoys
  
  I suspected different...
  
  I have 1 solid PR3 PBN site that seems to bump money sites very quickly after the link is indexed. As soon as I notice the indexing of the link the rank has moved but I'm not checking every minute. More like every day...
  
  On the other hand, I have a PR5 site (and the PR should hopefully be true because of the recency of the toolbar PR update), and I created a link watched carefully checking every few hours and when I spotted the backlink was indexed.... no movement in money site ranking. Nothing...
  
  That's why i'm interested in others experience.
  
  I want to be able to assess my PBN domains so I know what ones are worth putting more time into.
  
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Mr Lim 10 years ago

It all depends on your domain, last time I get YouTube video index on top 10 within 20 mins.

But repeating the same formula to other sites, it takes a week to response.
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- acprojects 10 years ago
  
  Your youtube page could be indexed in 20 minutes without any backlinks...
  
  I'm aware that high PR domains are crawled more frequently and indexed faster.
  
  But this does doesn't answer my question.
  
  At what point does a backlink start to take effect?
  
  When the backlink is crawled and 1st discovered?
  When the page the backlink is on is 1st indexed?
  When the target page is recrawled?
  
  I know that the SERP's are moving all the time, almost real time.
  
  Google has an internal hidden pagerank that it's using in the ranking algorithm.
  
  Is this internal hidden pagerank updated more frequently for high authority sites than for low authority sites?
  
  Hence backlinks to high authority sites take effect faster?
  
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  Rehmat 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by acprojects
  
  I'm aware that high PR domains are crawled more frequently and indexed faster.
  
  Not true. PR isn't a factor. Indexing depends on how frequently you update your pages. A frequently updated PR 1 blog is crawled more than a PR 6 website where content is left unchanged over a long period. As far as I have experienced, it takes a few days (don't know any exact number) before the links effect your SERPs. Google can't pass the rank boost instantly and it may take a few days for Google to trust that the link isn't a SPAM.
  
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  acprojects 10 years ago
  
  Each domain has something called a Crawl Budget. It's a way to allocate google's limited computational resources to the most important parts of the web.
  
  If your site is low PR then the bots aren't going to crawl it deeply or frequently no matter how much you update it. Yes frequently updating will encourage the bots to return. And not updating discourages them but the crawl budget is the big factor, and the crawl budget is related to PR.
  
  For example, the googlebots are all over high PR sites and busy news sites can be crawled and indexed within seconds of a post being published.
  
  There's a nice article here:
  How (I Think) Crawl Budget Works (Sort Of)
  
  We know toolbar PR is updated whenever google feels like it. But how often is True PR updated...
  
  Does discovery of a new backlink automatically trigger a recalculation of the target PR. Or is the link simply recorded and at a later point the true PR is calculated based on a table of the links.
  
  Thinking about this... I'd think this would need to be a seperate process.
  
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fastreplies 10 years ago

Originally Posted by acprojects

How often are google updating their private hidden pagerank (not toolbar pagerank). Realtime? Or delayed.

Every time crawler is going over your site

Originally Posted by acprojects

At what point does any link juice start to flow? Is it when the backlink is crawled? When the backlink page is indexed? Or some other time.

Instantly.
Algo is always processing collected data and making calculations whereas
GooToolBar's green slimy gif is already old a few seconds after it comes up.

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- acprojects 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by fastreplies
  
  Every time crawler is going over your site
  
  That's where my thoughts were headed...
  
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  acprojects 10 years ago
  
  Thinking aloud... what is google doing between crawling and indexing/(updating the index) anyway?
  
  Seems the crawl takes a snapshot of information but there remains some calculations to be done before indexing.
  
  I have a PBN site that I know is strong and I'm building a fresh money site that has no links soon. Usually a link from this PBN will see a new site jump somewhere in the top 100 for the types of terms I'm targeting.
  
  When I create the backlink, I'm going to also update the homepage of the money site and try to figure out if the ranking moves when money site is crawled or when the index is updated.
  
  Thanks
  
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