H1 Tag bothering me

10 years ago

Say what?

Your title has keyword in it but is h2 by default?

Are you using wordpress? Sounds like something your theme did. By default nothing is H1, h2, etc... A theme or plugin did that to you.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by AffiliatingAlan

This has kind of confused me. You want one h1 tag with your keyword in it on your page....Your title also has keyword in it but it is an H2 by default.

h1's also should be in descending order of h2 h3.

So how are you supposed to structure the page without it looking stupid? If my title describes the topic with keyword I really have no use for the h1 as ill be basically saying the exact same thing as the title again.

What do most people do here?

WP SUCKS !!!

To change the site name tag look in the header.php
To change the page title tag, look in the page.php file.

And so on..

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

WP is awesome.
CSS is your friend.

As long as the single <h1> is at the top of the page, any other <h> tags don't really matter what order they're in further down the page. With that being said, don't use <h> tags just because you can. Google will sometimes use <h> tags as a SERP title, there's even ways to trick Google into ignoring a page <title> for the SERP title & instead they'll use the <h1> text as the SERP title.

I only use a single <h1> tag per page & then sparingly use <h2> tags further down the page only If I'm trying to target that <h> tag text as a keyword.

Where most people screw up their heading tags is things like (Login, Subscribe Now, etc...), that's all useless text as far as SEO goes. Instead use CSS to resize that useless text to make it look better on the page for traffic.

Your the webmaster, you can re-size any text on your own webpages all day long, even <h> tag text, again, CSS is your friend (learn it).

There's no problem running WP, the problem you might run into is web designers are not SEOs. That goes for plain HTML web designers or anything related to web designing. Those people are all visual, they don't care about structure or anything else, as long as the page looks pretty they're happy which doesn't rank pages.

Learn HTML/CSS, find a simple/clean WP theme (or whatever) , make your SEO edits (HTML, CSS, PHP). Here's a tip when shopping around for WP themes, the larger the file size of the downloadable zip file, the odds increase the theme is bloated with junk like 500 fonts, etc... (like anyone needs more than 2-3 fonts per site (max)).

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newbiesup 10 years ago

I agree with yukon.

1) keep only one h1 tag on one page.
2) find a clean and light SEO theme, such as Thesis, Blix for your wordpress blog

Wordpress is awesome and CSS is your friend
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

WP is awesome.
CSS is your friend.

As long as the single <h1> is at the top of the page, any other <h> tags don't really matter what order they're in further down the page. With that being said, don't use <h> tags just because you can. Google will sometimes use <h> tags as a SERP title, there's even ways to trick Google into ignoring a page <title> for the SERP title & instead they'll use the <h1> text as the SERP title.

I only use a single <h1> tag per page & then sparingly use <h2> tags further down the page only If I'm trying to target that <h> tag text as a keyword.

Where most people screw up their heading tags is things like (Login, Subscribe Now, etc...), that's all useless text as far as SEO goes. Instead use CSS to resize that useless text to make it look better on the page for traffic.

Your the webmaster, you can re-size any text on your own webpages all day long, even <h> tag text, again, CSS is your friend (learn it).

There's no problem running WP, the problem you might run into is web designers are not SEOs. That goes for plain HTML web designers or anything related to web designing. Those people are all visual, they don't care about structure or anything else, as long as the page looks pretty they're happy which doesn't rank pages.

Learn HTML/CSS, find a simple/clean WP theme (or whatever) , make your SEO edits (HTML, CSS, PHP). Here's a tip when shopping around for WP themes, the larger the file size of the downloadable zip file, the odds increase the theme is bloated with junk like 500 fonts, etc... (like anyone needs more than 2-3 fonts per site (max)).

IT SUCKS DAMMMITT !!!!

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paulgl 10 years ago

Nothing wrong with h2. It's the heading size.

You don't need an h1. Bolding will have almost the same effect.

Too many times people overthink for the google algo, rather than
a human.

WP does suck and needs to die a quick death. if people knew how easy
it was to create pages using html, php, etc., man would they flee WP.

The death of WP would also mean wannabe webmasters would cease
(almost) to exist. The WF would become rather tame.

Seldom do I disagree with Yukon, but css sucks. It has become the bane
of anyone trying to tweak a CMS like WP. It's bloated and 99% of it is
not needed. Why the need to css every friggin thing in some cases has
always been beyond me. And don't get me started on how someone
learn <div> and now screws everything with it. We take 2 steps
forward, one step backward.

Paul
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- nettiapina 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  WP does suck and needs to die a quick death. if people knew how easy it was to create pages using html, php, etc., man would they flee WP.
  
  I don't obviously agree with WP needing to die. It's the tool that brings food to the table, so I'm a bit biased. However, the theme engine is pretty weird and complex if you compare it to almost anything out there. Many CMSes just have a bunch of straightforward template files that you can edit with basic knowledge of HTML. Not a sort of mini application you need to tinker with.
  
  That brings me to the obvious solution to a non-problem: get another tool! Nobody's forcing you to use WP, and there's a crap ton of other PHP CMSes out there. I've used MODx CMS and CMS Made Simple in the past, and they both got the work done. If you're into blogging but don't want the bloat there's Ghost (although it's not good for the SEO yet). I'd look into MODx CMS if WP started to be a problem for me.
  
  CSS - well, I find it a very neat idea to separate presentation from the code and structure. You can change the layout without touching the code that might even have business logic in it.
  
  You can make your life much easier by picking a tool that does half the job for you. There's visual site builder themes for WordPress that are quite decent nowadays. WordPress frameworks help you to manage the code/template/CSS/whatever. CSS frameworks help with CSS. And so on.
  
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  Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
  Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.
  
  What's your excuse?
  
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

If you guys only knew...

An <h1> tag is equivalent to a page <title>.

I can consistently force the Google algo. to ignore my page <title> (yep, I said force) & display the <h1> tag as a SERP title. Why would I do that? Because I can. Well, that & to prove the SEO weight of an <h1> tag.

Trust me, <bold> doesn't have the on-page weight of an <h1> tag.

Regarding WP, I find it hard to believe a person knows HTML but has a problem running WP. It's not like it's rocket surgery. WP is simply page templates, why is that difficult?

Don't use CSS? Why is this happening? If you can't figure out CSS you have no business claiming you know HTML, one without the other is like a car without wheels.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

If you guys only knew...

An <h1> tag is equivalent to a page <title>.

I can consistently force the Google algo. to ignore my page <title> (yep, I said force) & display the <h1> tag as a SERP title. Why would I do that? Because I can. Well, that & to prove the SEO weight of an <h1> tag.

Trust me, <bold> doesn't have the on-page weight of an <h1> tag.

Regarding WP, I find it hard to believe a person knows HTML but has a problem running WP. It's not like it's rocket surgery. WP is simply page templates, why is that difficult?

Don't use CSS? Why is this happening? If you can't figure out CSS you have no business claiming you know HTML, one without the other is like a car without wheels.

Nope..I run a completely different type of ship to the norm. By trade I would say, I am good at figuring out great ways to get great links. So I'm really a link builder.

But what I'm really good at it outsourcing. Making connections and bringing groups of needed experts together. All well versed in their own fields. I don't believe it's a legal requirement for me to keep a full time group of staff. Everyone gets well paid and everyone's happy. This is the internet, and there is more then one way to fry an egg.

See not everyone got real heavy into css, html and shit up until recently. Before then no one gave shit about <h tag anything. There was a much larger weight given to links. And I say links I really mean "any links from anywhere". Spam crappola..the more the merrier.

But these days it's different. Because now SEO's are getting real Medevil when it comes to squeezing out every drop of juice they can get internally. That doesn't make any of us bad at what we do. So long as we don't touch clients sites with our own DIY hands. The cost of the outsourced staff would be included in the price. The outsourced staff would be vetted on a number of non connect network sites and found trusted with clients. But see, I've always had a very small client base. Max was 5, now it's only 2. And they both compete in tough markets. And they both have money to throw at it.

So maybe learning a new trick is just not a needed lesson for me.

Your skills are boss when it comes to it. And I've not been shy about asking you for help.

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AffiliatingAlan

10 years ago

This thread is becoming over my head. I did however change the page titles to h1 in the page.php. Since this niche site is solely pages I suppose mission was accomplished, unless I need to change something else?

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

IMO Google hasn't changed much as far as giving on-page SEO more weight than in the past. There's always little optimization tweaks that can be made depending on what someone wants to accomplish in the SERPs. When I look at the SERPs I try to max it out per main keyword. Why rank one page per keyword when I can get 2-3 pages? Why rank two pages per keyword without a video thumbnail or sitelinks? Rank some images on text search. Why rank one domain per main keyword/s? Go all in, own the SERPs per keyword.

I'm sure some get tired of hearing this (lol) but the old school silos still work today just like they did years ago.

I think Google has put more weight on relevancy of inbound links. I also think they've taken the big picture into account for backlinks, relevant downstream links for the backlink page. Backlinks on pages from a domain that targets the same niche are usually strong.

The good news is most people don't want to learn this stuff, I doubt even the average outsourced people won't take the time to dig in & stay on top constantly learning new SEO techniques on their own. I tell people to learn things like HTML to help them, I don't do it for any other reason. Really I don't see how anyone can do SEO without knowing the fundamentals.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

IMO Google hasn't changed much as far as giving on-page SEO more weight than in the past. There's always little optimization tweaks that can be made depending on what someone wants to accomplish in the SERPs. When I look at the SERPs I try to max it out per main keyword. Why rank one page per keyword when I can get 2-3 pages? Why rank two pages per keyword without a video thumbnail or sitelinks? Rank some images on text search. Why rank one domain per main keyword/s? Go all in, own the SERPs per keyword.

I'm sure some get tired of hearing this (lol) but the old school silos still work today just like they did years ago.

I think Google has put more weight on relevancy of inbound links. I also think they've taken the big picture into account for backlinks, relevant downstream links for the backlink page. Backlinks on pages from a domain that targets the same niche are usually strong.

The good news is most people don't want to learn this stuff, I doubt even the average outsourced people won't take the time to dig in & stay on top constantly learning new SEO techniques on their own. I tell people to learn things like HTML to help them, I don't do it for any other reason. Really I don't see how anyone can do SEO without knowing the fundamentals.

Then your not getting me. Up until around 2 years ago it was like the wild west in the markets I was working in. And I was managing 5 blog networks, 1 per client. But in those days you could get away with some bunk default WP theme untouched for optimization. True or not the rumor mills where spreading that, too high a percentage of keyword rich inbounds would get you smacked.

So I had to go over and dilute links throughout the networks in paranoia. But then I knew that clients would not be too keen on hearing "hey I'm dropping your Anchor by 20% each ok?". Sure....

I had to add more sites to the networks at my own expense. Then I really got into networks. I could not in fairness pass this cost onto clients.

Then a whole lot of "Public BN" started getting whacked for now more obvious footprints to Google such as default made for links looking network sites I had before. Now I had to go through every site within the networks to make them all become legitimate working entities of their own. I read a lot of your tips about html since I've been here. And having the extra added cost now of having each site properly designed to be more relevant and optimized for on-page SEO with greater detail, (internal linking..etc..) That's when I said hey I need to starting learning this css stuff. That's when had to start learning it.

Some stuff people are just better at then others.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Then your not getting me. Up until around 2 years ago it was like the wild west in the markets I was working in. And I was managing 5 blog networks, 1 per client. But in those days you could get away with some bunk default WP theme untouched for optimization. True or not the rumor mills where spreading that, too high a percentage of keyword rich inbounds would get you smacked.

So I had to go over and dilute links throughout the networks in paranoia. But then I knew that clients would not be too keen on hearing "hey I'm dropping your Anchor by 20% each ok?". Sure....

I had to add more sites to the networks at my own expense. Then I really got into networks. I could not in fairness pass this cost onto clients.

Then a whole lot of "Public BN" started getting whacked for now more obvious footprints to Google such as default made for links looking network sites I had before. Now I had to go through every site within the networks to make them all become legitimate working entities of their own. I read a lot of your tips about html since I've been here. And having the extra added cost now of having each site properly designed to be more relevant and optimized for on-page SEO with greater detail, (internal linking..etc..) That's when I said hey I need to starting learning this css stuff. That's when had to start learning it.

Some stuff people are just better at then others.

I'm just saying learning things like HTML makes life easier for understanding why things are happening with ranked pages. It's easier to reverse engineer what other people are doing with their sites/pages, even If it's not competition. I find all kinds of techniques in the SERPs & I'm always looking at the source code making comparisons, figuring out what's going on. Links & text is always the core of SEO, but the little tweaks are the fun stuff IMO.

BTW, CSS is for traffics eyes, but it gets you decent looking pages while optimizing the page for SEO at the same time. I'm not suggesting anything shady when I talk about CSS. All my sites are long term sites.

The way Wikipedia puts their top nav links towards the bottom of the HTML source code is a good example of CSS being used.

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