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Do you always need your "exact match" keyword at a density of 0.5-1% for good on page SEO? Or can "partial match keywords" assume their role?

Reason I ask is because my keyword is such that it would be unnatural to mention more than in the title tag and maybe once in body.

Let's pretend it was "tresemme shampoo bottle".

I have a picture, small description, and a link to a place to buy "tresemme shampoo bottle". Thats like 30 words.

The other 800 words of my article are on the benefits and overview of "tresemme shampoo".

So on-page I have my exact keyword only in title and in the brief description.

I do however, have "partial keywords" ("tresemme" & "tresemme shampoo") written 12-14 times naturally in the 800 word article.

My only competitor that I want to beat in my niche has his pages structured like this and I am trying to decide if that's an okay strategy or if hes just an idiot and is ranking because of how low the competition is?

So atm his page and my draft page that I have yet to publish looks like this (assuming our keyword was "tresemme shampoo bottle"

Page Length = 800 words

"tresemme shampoo bottle" = 2 times = title 1x and in body 1x
"tresemme shampoo" = 14 times = in body 14x

I am worried about over-optimization so I guess my questions are:

1) Is this okay on-page SEO? In this scenario can the "partial match keyword" assume the SEO role for my "exact match keyword" aka will google make the connection based on my title tag?

Or should I forcefully try and insert my "exact match keyword"
2 more times (it would be in 800 word article 4x instead of 2x) to make the density 0.5%?

2) Is having my partial keyword of "tresemme shampoo" in my article of 800 words 14x overkill if written naturally? Do the rules of keyword stuffing apply to "partial match keywords"?


I am probably over-thinking here like I always do but this is confusing me.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by AffiliatingAlan View Post

    Do you always need your "exact match" keyword at a density of 0.5-1% for good on page SEO?
    You've been reading IM hype.

    Forget about density/stuffing.

    SEO is like real estate, location, location, location!
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  • Profile picture of the author stodog77
    Little piece of advice. Check the top 10 for multiple high level terms in your niche. Check the keyword density for each ranking URL. That will give you an idea of what Google is looking for. Hurry up...it might change tomorrow!

    Otherwise, write the content for the user. Nothing more annoying than reading content that is optimized for SEO. If it annoys me, surely it annoys Google. Always think in these terms and your SEO career will go much smoother.

    This might make it a bit easier for you: http://www.webconfs.com/keyword-density-checker.php
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliatingAlan
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      You've been reading IM hype.

      Forget about density/stuffing.

      SEO is like real estate, location, location, location!
      I think its more of analysis paralysis than hype. Also I am coming from a position more worried about over-optimization than trying to "keyword stuff" for optimization.

      I dont understand what you mean by location. If you mean what I think you mean then I have my "Exact Keyword" in the h1 tag, beginning of page, end of fold and end of page also I have a "partial kw" in h2 tag.

      Thats it for keyword, no stuffing here.

      Originally Posted by stodog77 View Post

      Little piece of advice. Check the top 10 for multiple high level terms in your niche. Check the keyword density for each ranking URL. That will give you an idea of what Google is looking for. Hurry up...it might change tomorrow!

      Otherwise, write the content for the user. Nothing more annoying than reading content that is optimized for SEO. If it annoys me, surely it annoys Google. Always think in these terms and your SEO career will go much smoother.

      This might make it a bit easier for you: Keyword Density Checker - Keyword Cloud
      Other sites are e-commerce so I cant really compare it here.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by AffiliatingAlan View Post

        I think its more of analysis paralysis than hype. .
        It's sales hype from plugin developers & affiliates selling their products.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Forget about keyword density.

    JUST WRITE NATURALLY
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnTheJock
      The way you've got it laid out is fine. As long as you have your main keyword in the heading and once in the body (or link) you'll be fine.

      It's more important now to write quality content than worry about keywords or backlinks
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  • Profile picture of the author DeskCoder
    Ok, so how do you write content when you want to target non-natural keywords like:
    GoDaddy Coupon 2014.

    Try creating links or writing content around that ... do you just not worry about exact matching text in your content and have "GoDaddy Coupon" and 2014 sprinkle in your content?
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  • Profile picture of the author amitmehta92
    On page optimization is the part of SEO, we ad title, description, keywords and solved canonical errors etc in on page. we tell to search engine what is my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
    Mentioning your keyword in the title of the page/article title and first paragraph only once might be enough to alert Google as to the relevance of this specific keyword, rather than stuffing it 12 times into such a short article. You could augment this by including a photo with a keyword tag. This would be maximum of three to four times for your keyword which is appropriate for a shorter length article like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    Rather than focusing on some artificial number of times for mentioning your keyword, why not just concentrate on providing the best information possible on your keyword. Only use the keyword when it would naturally occur, not in any stilted way and don't hyperlink the keyword as this appears suspicious, especially if the surrounding content is not related to your hyperlink.
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    • Profile picture of the author alerrandre
      You do need to have between 1% and 2% of keyword density, not more than one image with the keyword in the alt text, also one internal and external link with exact match of the keyword linking to the page.

      This is more than enough so google can figure out what your page is about.
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      • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
        Originally Posted by alerrandre View Post

        You do need to have between 1% and 2% of keyword density, not more than one image with the keyword in the alt text, also one internal and external link with exact match of the keyword linking to the page.

        This is more than enough so google can figure out what your page is about.
        Emphasis on "More Than Enough"
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      • Profile picture of the author ScrooG
        Originally Posted by alerrandre View Post

        You do need to have between 1% and 2% of keyword density, not more than one image with the keyword in the alt text, also one internal and external link with exact match of the keyword linking to the page.

        This is more than enough so google can figure out what your page is about.
        I agree more or less with the above.

        I'm no expert (who is, really??!) but my experience has been that the following are optimal:

        Keyword in H1 title
        Keyword in first line or at least first few lines
        Keyword in H2 and H3 lines, somewhere on the page
        Keyword in last line
        Keyword in one image alt tag
        Some partial keywords and long tail keywords on the page
        A FAQ or other Questions/Answers about the keyword(s) are supposedly working well now

        As to a percentage and more, who really KNOWS?

        Everyone now says "write for the reader" but I think if you do this and don't do the above, in a competitive market you will lose. Google needs to see at least some of the above in order for it (its spiders) to determine what your site is about and that you are providing some content re the subject at hand (keywords).

        For all Google's B.S. about "content is king" just try writing a great site with the world's best content, and no backlinks and none of the above keyword rules. I'm betting you will get nowhere with that strategy. Google's B.S. about "content is king" is just that: B.S. to convince you to provide better content so that its search results look better. But are the search results BASED on good content? No.
        But does good content help you get customers once you do get traffic to your site? Yes.

        What really matters for ranking are backlinks on high pr, relevant sites and legitimate social shares.

        IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    you are controlling your keywords too much, like seriously. 12x in the body? isn't that a little too much? You can have 1 in the first and second paragraph, 2 in the body, and 1 in the last paragraph. I'd usually use LSIs than just focusing on a particular key.
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