Linking To An Adult Site Hurt My Site??

Moneymaker2012

10 years ago

I think get link from any health site not adult site because people who are looking for these things visit health sites.Getting link from adult site may be hurt your site.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Backlink from an adult site? No no no, I mean linking TO an adult site.

And even now I'm curious if there's grey area about the types of adult sites (legality not an issue, all 10000% legal lol).

Does something more extreme matter more than the software stuff. What qualities as either; isn't that subjective?

That just makes me think that it should be ok if I'm just pointing a single link to a site.

But never never never would it be the situation where my link profile has adult links though. I just thought that needed to be clarified.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Any thoughts guys? I don't mean to bump unnecessarily but this really makes me wonder.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Any thoughts guys? I don't mean to bump unnecessarily but this really makes me wonder.

You stand the risk of being in a "bad neighborhood" in that Google potentially can classify your site as being associated with porn. Yuke's suggestion is questionable since Googlebot processes javascript (and will most likely process more and ore of it)and no one knows whether Google calculates bad neighborhood exclusively by ranking links.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You stand the risk of being in a "bad neighborhood" in that Google potentially can classify your site as being associated with porn. Yuke's suggestion is questionable since Googlebot processes javascript (and will most likely process more and ore of it)and no one knows whether Google calculates bad neighborhood exclusively by ranking links.

Damn, that's what I'm afraid of. It's hard for me to believe one external link going out to a single adult product (haven't even decided what it would be yet) would do much harm but I can't take that risk.

Realistically, I'd like the site to have zero affiliation with bad neighborhoods even if it's only a 0.01% affiliation for google algo or whatever.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Googlebot processes javascript (and will most likely process more and ore of it)

Javascript isn't like HTML. Javascript links can be made thousands of ways, it can even be made into arrays & then reassembled on the fly to show as a clickable link.

Example of a javascript array that builds a list of links:

hxxp://www.dafont.com/alpha.js

That javascript (URL above) creates 27 links.

It can even be way more complex than that If needed.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Javascript isn't like HTML.

One of these days you will tell me something I don't know. Apparently this is not one of those days. Surprise! I love me some Jquery. Just finished working on a bot I have been creating that uses it.

Javascript links can be made thousands of ways.

As long as it is processed by normal browser technology there remains the possibility of it being followed by Google at some point or since they never tell us everything already does for some JS techniques

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paulgl

10 years ago

If you think google hates porn sites, you people are sadly mistaken.
From playboy to livejasmine, and everything in between. High
authority, high PR, etc.

It's about bad neighborhoods. Period.

Any site can be part of that. A model railroad site could be part
of a bad neighborhood.

Check xhamster using your %$#^ moz domain tools...

Paul

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

If you think google hates porn sites, you people are sadly mistaken.
From playboy to livejasmine, and everything in between. High
authority, high PR, etc.

It's about bad neighborhoods. Period.

Any site can be part of that. A momysterious ad site could be part
of a bad neighborhood.

Check xhamster using your %$#^ moz domain tools...

Paul

Probably the first person I've seen speaking out against the notion that porn=bad neighborhood. Begins slow clap...

@Op I'm actually killing it in the adult niche and needed a few links from an existing site that was already ranking for keywords in another niche (beauty). 2 homepage links and roughly 15 guest posts linking out to adult sites and it still ranks and gets traffic just fine. And yes even the pages with the links rank for their keywords. Lots of myths out there about porn.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Probably the first person I've seen speaking out against the notion that porn=bad neighborhood. Begins slow clap...

@Op I'm actually killing it in the adult niche and needed a few links from an existing site that was already ranking for keywords in another niche (beauty). 2 homepage links and roughly 15 guest posts linking out to adult sites and it still ranks and gets traffic just fine. And yes even the pages with the links rank for their keywords. Lots of myths out there about porn.

Interesting. I'm not even necessarily linking out to a porn site, possibly even a clickbank product related to something adult (that doesn't always directly mean coitus).

What i would be interested to find out is whether those beauty sites that linked to you lowered at all in traffic. If so, that's pretty funny because the way your case relates to mine is that the site I'm linking to does well (as analogy to your case). It doesn't say anything about how the beauty site did after linking to you lol which was more of my question.

Let's watch for my success or complaint thread within the next few weeks. I suppose I'll have to find this out for myself.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

@Op I'm actually killing it in the adult niche .

Forum talk is cheap. You aint killin nothing. You were debating just a few months whether you would get into it. GG is still running circles round you

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

What i would be interested to find out is whether those beauty sites that linked to you lowered at all in traffic. If so, that's pretty funny because the way your case relates to mine is that the site I'm linking to does well (as analogy to your case). It doesn't say anything about how the beauty site did after linking to you lol which was more of my question.

Let's watch for my success or complaint thread within the next few weeks. I suppose I'll have to find this out for myself.

Perhaps my post was a bit confusing but that's exactly what i'm getting at. The beauty site that's linking out is still doing very well in terms of traffic and rankings and it's been about 4 months. The thread that Mike is babbling about is here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...on-p0rn-d.html

There were some really good replies on a similar topic so might be worth a read.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Forum talk is cheap. You aint killin nothing. You were debating just a few months whether you would get into it. GG is still running circles round you

There you go babbling, again. Always jumping in to pick a fight and derail a thread. And you wonder why people call you arrogant and obnoxious. :rolleyes: Is it that time of the month? Or perhaps drumming up controversy for sig clicks?

It must suck to have to do that sort of thing for a living. And if it takes you 6 months to rank for low competition keywords then I would begin to question your quan of SEO.

edit: How nice of you to drag your boy into this. The last 3 times I spoke to this guy he was having a mental breakdown in my inbox. Even had the audacity to call me an @sshole, and it was pretty awesome.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Is it that time of the month? Or perhaps drumming up controversy for sig clicks?

Touchy touchy. Was it the joke about GG that sent you off the deep end? Relax dude. I had no idea the issues ran that deep and emotional for you. If I knew the more mention of his name would send you into that (to use your word( - obnoxious - put down of him I would not have used it. I don't drop down and believe any income claims and you have in the past agreed with me not to. So nothing personal on either count

Meanwhile and back on thread topic (skipping the rant and accusation) - no I don't think your anecdotal evidence changes the well established fact that Porn sites are generally bad neighborhoods link wise - not even close

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Was it the joke about GG that sent you off the deep end?

Who the heck is this GG guy? I was thinking paulgl until i realized that he pisses everyone off, so it can't be him.

So far if I did link out to an adult site my best bet would be to use yukon's suggestion with the J-script. But if it's like the fogged up door example, then it won't matter anyway...hmm *contemplates deeply*

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Who the heck is this GG guy? I was thinking paulgl until i realized that he pisses everyone off, so it can't be him.

ROFL....I literally laughed out loud at the way you put that. If You must know GG is a reference to GGPaul another poster who is a professionally employed SEO for a Fashion company.

So far if I did link out to an adult site my best bet would be to use yukon's suggestion with the J-script. But if it's like the fogged up door example, then it won't matter anyway...hmm *contemplates deeply*

Is it feasibly and have you considered the possibility of putting another site in between? Most companies put up a page or popup to make their viewers know they are going to another kind of site or off site. Using another domain entirely may serve the purpose of giving you another level of separation and serves to make your regular reviewers aware that they are going to an adult site and clicking the second time so there are no complaints or surprises.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Touchy touchy. Was it the joke about GG that sent you off the deep end? Relax dude. I had no idea the issues ran that deep and emotional for you. If I knew the more mention of his name would send you into that (to use your word( - obnoxious - put down of him I would not have used it. I don't drop down and believe any income claims and you have in the past agreed with me not to. So nothing personal on either count

Meanwhile and back on thread topic (skipping the rant and accusation) - no I don't think your anecdotal evidence changes the well established fact that Porn sites are generally bad neighborhoods link wise - not even close

I must say, i'm impressed. I was 150% sure that you were going to strike back with a cheeky reply.

BTW, i'm just giving him my own experience. I tested it for myself and found that the boogyman wasn't there, the sky didn't fall, and I can still feel my legs. With that experience in hand, and the OP stating that he wasn't linking out to hard porn sites, I'd be comfortable doing it. Now filling the entire site with those links or having a backlink profile full of them is an entirely different matter.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I must say, i'm impressed. I was 150% sure that you were going to strike back with a cheeky reply.

The night is still young. IF I had found anything substantive in your tirade I might have been more inspired (see what I did there? are you feeling better about your prediction abilities??

)

BTW, i'm just giving this guy my own experience. I tested it for myself and found that the boogyman wasn't there, the sky didn't fall,

Dude you have not been at it for any length of time and like I said before even a bad neighborhood is not going to affect every site every time but its still a possible risk and thats what the OP asked

and I can still feel my legs. With that experience in hand.

are we still talking about linking to the adult store or use of the products?

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The night is still young. IF I had found anything substantive in your tirade I might have been more inspired (see what I did there?)

...are we still talking about linking to the adult store or use of the products?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing when I read your post. And it's not too late to get yourself one of those products you fancy.

The night is still young.

Hell i'll even throw in a discount code and an adwords coupon so you can relax and take a break from the forum for a while. Might even get that WSO finished. See what I did there?

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Might even get that WSO finished. See what I did there?

Sure did. Repeated a lie you like to tell about me having or preparing a WSO. lol what else is new? I've never denied your consistent ability to make up things or deny reality. Only thing i have coming up is in my sig and not a thing to do with any future WSO. But hey its you. You never made the facts interfere with your imaginations. Along those lines of imagination I think it best you preserve the coupons. Thanks (I guess) but no thanks. We don't all need the fake to replace the absence of the real and I would not want you to run out of any necessary supplies.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sure did. Repeated a lie you like to tell about me having or preparing a WSO. lol what else is new? I've never denied your consistent ability to make up things or deny reality. Only thing i have coming up is in my sig and not a thing to do with any future WSO.

Touchy touchy eh? Pardon my manners sir. You got a self hosted sales page now. :rolleyes: Oh boy. Totally different. That's some next level high speed marketing right there man who would've ever thought about that one.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

But hey its you. You never made the facts interfere with your imaginations. Along those lines of imagination I think it best you preserve the coupons. Thanks (I guess) but no thanks. We don't all need the fake to replace the absence of the real and I would not want you to run out of any necessary supplies.

You wanna talk facts eh? Well, let's see. Which one's more likely:

A) A guy that rarely posts on the forum used his crystal ball to predict that one day the OP would come here and ask this exact question. He then proceeded to post a fake thread 6 months in advance about an imaginary project that's been in the works for over a year now. All so he could come here and make a post about an imaginary experience had during that time. All of this for no personal benefit. He just feels the need to arbitrarily lie and make up stories for the heck of it. Perhaps he forgot his medication or something right?

OR

B) Mike drumming up controversy in yet another thread. Motive? Hopes of riding it for as many sig clicks and impressions as possible for another one trick pony of a product after the last one failed. While we're at it, let's keep everyone confused so that when they need help, they'll come running back to the savior who will then proceed to offer another shinny ebook, WSO or whatever else you want to call it.

It would be nice if you'd respectfully disagree without feeling the need to take cheap shots to feed your ego. But what can say, I've come to expect nothing less. You've got the OP spinning in circles thinking that a single link, on a single page, to an adult related clickbank product will kill his entire site. Now he's all paranoid and will spend the next 2 weeks of his life suffering from paralysis by analysis. Unfortunate really. Paul was right on the money but got slighted and ignored thanks to your hurf blurf king SEO bs. Typical WF shenanigans and yet another reason why this forum gets such a bad rep among professional SEOs.

If you have any qualms with the experience that I was kind enough to share then I will continue to entertain that. But you'll need something a bit more concrete than SEO theories and potentialities. In the meantime, i'll go back to the real world and continue making enough money to retire while you guys circle jerk and pass around theories. Enjoy your forum massa.

Edit: My apologies to the OP for the slight derail in this thread. Had I known that a particular member would attack me out of the blue based on some old vendetta I would've just stayed out of it. Forgot where I was for a second. Silly me for thinking that this was a place for serious adult discussions. (no pun intended)

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

You wanna talk facts eh? Well, let's see.....

where? I was waiting the whole reply. Where deh at?

Facts I mean. Oh thats right your imagination again as fact. You always give yourself away Dennis . Intelligent people can figure out that if you can claim to know what everyone is making and not making your own income claims are likely to be based on the same "logic" and "facts".

You've got the OP spinning in circles thinking that a single link, on a single page, to an adult related clickbank product will kill his entire site. Now he's all paranoid and will spend the next 2 weeks of his life suffering from paralysis by analysis

Heres the thing and its obviously a foreign concept to you. The Op has a solid site that he greatly values. I didn't give him that concern. He has shown it multiple times. He is most likely making bank and the last thing he wants to do is potentially mess with success. He's neither suffering nor having anyone put fear in his heart. You call paralysis having already built a great site? Thats silly. Maybe he has more to lose than you do is more like it. Try something different like um actually reading the Op that states his concerns up front.

Like I said that seems to be a foreign concept to you or you would understand the issue. The just do it and see what happens approach is fine for newbies starting out. He isn't a newb so it doesn't apply.

It would be nice if you'd respectfully disagree without feeling the need to take cheap shots to feed your ego.

Cheap shots? Playing the martyr? You? Cue the violins. Is everyone supposed to miss that my last reply that sent you into another emotional meltdown was in reference to you dredging up your old tired oft repeated lie that I have a WSO (now an ebook) in the wings? Granted you can get some gullible people with that but there are others who know your history on that subject and other fabrications

nuff said.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Intelligent people can figure out that if you can claim to know what everyone is making and not making your own income claims are likely to be based on the same "logic".

Speaking of making stuff up. I never claimed to know what everyone was making. :confused:

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You call paralysis having already built a great site?

Whaaaat??? I think I know where you just pulled that one from.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Cheap shots? Playing the martyr. Cue the violins. Is everyone supposed to miss that my last reply that sent you into another emotional meltdown was in reference to you dredging up your old tired oft repeated lie that I have a WSO (now an ebook) in the wings? Granted you can get some gullible people with that but there are others who know your history on that subject and other fabrications
nuff said.

I think the intelligent people here can look back and see who started this whole mess. There are others here that know your history of grandstanding, button pushing, truth twisting and thread derailing quite well. It's like clock work. Just as surely as Paul never fails to chime in with the smackdown. People just expect it. Then you have the nerve to try and pass the derailment blame off to someone else like a little child.

Good luck with that WSO. No really. I'm gonna do one on people skills and send it to ya. Coming summer 2014. I'll even self host it since the word WSO seems to send you into a panic.

Shhhhh, keep it super secret guys

nuff said.

p.s. I have nothing personal against you at all btw. I actually think you're a very intelligent guy and a dam good forum poster. I'm sure we could go back and forth all day like this but i'd rather not derail this guys thread any further so i'll let you have the last word. Like I said before, I don't gain anything by posting here anyway. I'm more than happy doing my own thing and letting whoever wants it be the king of the WF. Go ahead, the cake is all yours.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Erm...just woke up from nap to find a lot of interesting discussion lol

At this point it feels like my best move is to not include any out bound adult links. My site is getting very nice traffic and there's no chance I'm allowing the traffic to fall, however minuscule the chance is, because i linked out to a site of questionable repute (bad neighborhood, whatever you want to call it).

The idea of promoting the adult product would have been to spice the site up a little bit. I can easily find substitute products, so promoting something else is not a problem whatsoever.

Now i understand why I was so confused about this issue: it's not easy to answer at all.

If i start up SEO based adult sites they'll just be adult. Perhaps I'll do a purposeful test of this in the future just so i have results to share rather than spark a heated debate lol

Trust me though, I test for myself and do all that stuff. But Mike was nice to point out that there's no way I'm going to risk my site in this case, and for good reason.

The only way I would have been persuaded to link out would be if everyone unanimously agreed about it's irrelevance/safeness of the out bound link. But that certainly was not the case here.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Erm...just woke up from nap to find a lot of interesting discussion lol

At this point it feels like my best move is to not include any out bound adult links. My site is getting very nice traffic and there's no chance I'm allowing the traffic to fall, however minuscule the chance is, because i linked out to a site of questionable repute (bad neighborhood, whatever you want to call it).

The idea of promoting the adult product would have been to spice the site up a little bit. I can easily find substitute products, so promoting something else is not a problem whatsoever.

Now i understand why I was so confused about this issue: it's not easy to answer at all.

If i start up SEO based adult sites they'll just be adult. Perhaps I'll do a purposeful test of this in the future just so i have results to share rather than spark a heated debate lol

Trust me though, I test for myself and do all that stuff. But Mike was nice to point out that there's no way I'm going to risk my site in this case, and for good reason.

The only way I would have been persuaded to link out would be if everyone unanimously agreed about it's irrelevance/safeness of the out bound link. But that certainly was not the case here.

BTW, if you go back up and read every single last one of my posts before this interesting discussion you will see nowhere that I suggested for you to do the same. Just shared my experience with you. That is all and nothing more. Even broke it down twice for the reading impaired. In the end if this site is too valuable to you to even think about putting it a risk, however big or small, then you're making a wise decision. Best of luck.

edit: Just noticed an interesting trend. Adult threads tend to get the most traffic.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Speaking of making stuff up. I never claimed to know what everyone was making. :confused:

You always do. its your shtick when you get caught in one of your lies . Thanks for repeating the WSO one again to prove my point and Oh the sig highlighting is much appreciated (like a sig is proof of a WSO...Now everyone who has a banner of some kind on the Internets is doing a WSO. ..rofl...didn't I say you were funny?). Bottom line you have no clue what product/service I had failed or triumphed with but there you were again doing your imagination thing claiming you knew and being pitifully wrong.

Whaaaat??? I think I know where you just pulled that one from.

Yes the not so deep reasoning of your own posts as follows

Now he's all paranoid and will spend the next 2 weeks of his life suffering from paralysis

Now can you get back on the subject or will you post long derails again claiming to not want to derail the thread, doing just that , and then claim to be bowing out for the third time?

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You always do. its your shtick when you get caught in one of your lies . Thanks for repeating the WSO one again to prove my point and Oh the sig highlighting is much appreciated (like a sig is proof of a WSO...Now everyone who has a banner of some kind on the Internets is doing a WSO. ..rofl...didn't I say you were funny?). Bottom line you have no clue what product/service I had failed or triumphed with but there you were again doing your imagination thing claiming you knew and being pitifully wrong.

Now can you get back on the subject or will you post long derails again claiming to not want to derail the thread, doing just that , and then claim to be bowing out for the third time?

Good night Mike. Stay classy brotha

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Perhaps my post was a bit confusing but that's exactly what i'm getting at. The beauty site that's linking out is still doing very well in terms of traffic and rankings and it's been about 4 months. The thread that Mike is babbling about is here:

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...on-p0rn-d.html

There were some really good replies on a similar topic so might be worth a read.

Oh sh!t dude, that's your thread LOL

Here I am thinking that you're pointing me to some other thread of relevance when it's YOU that this is all directly relevant to.

That seriously made me laugh, though I partially don't know why :p

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by paulgl

It's about bad neighborhoods. Period.

Any site can be part of that. A model railroad site could be part
of a bad neighborhood.

You make no good point as usual Paul. Of course any site can be a part of it but the facts are a number of niches are defined by the kinds of techniques they use. You all can stick your head in the ground if you wish but Porn, gambling, pharma, shucks even payday loans are wrapped up in bad neighborhoods. The site you link to or that links to the site you link to is EXTREMELY likely to be tied to a bad neighborhood.

LOL.....Only on WF do you have people in denial of the obvious.

Heres the question

Would potentially linking to an adult product as an affiliate adversely affect the site in terms of linking to something related to adult items?

Is the potential there for an adverse affect. Yes. Does potential always materialize? No. Separate issue entirely. The only myth are in peoples minds that porn sites are not bad neighborhood sites. Go forth and conquer

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hipeopo02

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

the facts are a number of niches are defined by the kinds of techniques they use.

What do you mean by this?

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IMdeaming

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

You've got the OP spinning in circles thinking that a single link, on a single page, to an adult related clickbank product will kill his entire site. Now he's all paranoid and will spend the next 2 weeks of his life suffering from paralysis by analysis.

If the product is hosted at clickbank then a pre-sell with a link directly to the clickbank checkout page would be a good option. Perhaps the best IMO. But I agree, really don't see the one link being the big scary thing that people are making it out to be.

Originally Posted by dennis09

while you guys circle jerk and pass around theories.

But who doesn't love good circle jerk?

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

What do you mean by this?

Some niches have a reputation for shady marketing techniques. Gambling, pharma, adult, etc. etc. BUT, this doesn't mean that every site in those niches are bad. Just another case of the many suffering a bad rep because of the few.

And before anyone jumps on me, I have a dull knife and i'm not afraid to use it.

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hipeopo02

10 years ago

Originally Posted by IMdeaming

Some niches have a reputation for shady marketing techniques.

example?

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IMdeaming

10 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

example?

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Please read beyond the first sentence m8.

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hipeopo02

10 years ago

Originally Posted by IMdeaming

Please read beyond the first sentence m8.

I guess what doesn't make sense to me is how "bad neighborhoods" are defined. Some say the technique and some say the niche.

Now I know what to do to give negative SEO to someone but I have also utilized those niches to promote mainstream sites....so whatever.

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IMdeaming

10 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

I guess what doesn't make sense to me is how "bad neighborhoods" are defined. Some say the technique and some say the niche.

Now I know what to do to give negative SEO to someone but I have also utilized those niches to promote mainstream sites....so whatever.

The short answer, both.

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hipeopo02 10 years ago

Originally Posted by IMdeaming

The short answer, both.

again, unless you can give me a solid example the whole concept of a "bad neighborhood" is too vague.

suddenly linking a new site about building wooden benches to a bunch of high PR adult sites would send a red flag, sure but that's an extreme example and most often one for negative SEO.

Now, I understand spam techniques that get certain domains blacklisted would be bad to link to but other than that I really can't see the difference between a "bad" porn site and a "good" one unless we are talking illegal activity which in that case would most likely be deindexed out of G anyway.

I run a very successful adult niche site and I have often linked to non adult sites without problem and with good results.

The talk of "bad neighborhoods" might just be a scare tactic initiated by G to keep people from cheating the system...
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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by IMdeaming

But I agree, really don't see the one link being the big scary thing that people are making it out to be.
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Actually it probably would not be a bad thing but whats being missed is thats not the OPs question. He didn't ask what we thought or what would be more probable. He has an existing site that he doesn't want to risk so he asked

Would potentially linking to an adult product as an affiliate adversely affect the site in terms of linking to something related to adult items?

Potential? Why yes there is a potential. It could even be a low potential but like it or not the potential is there. To me its pretty clear the Op isn't sure that the link is going to make him any good money so its not like he is saying flip the money. He's weighing the pros and the cons because he obviously has a successful site he is not interested in taking much risk with for that niche.
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

One of these days you will tell me something I don't know. Apparently this is not one of those days. Surprise! I love me some Jquery. Just finished working on a bot I have been creating that uses it.

As long as it is processed by normal browser technology there remains the possibility of it being followed by Google at some point or since they never tell us everything already does for some JS techniques

LMAO, so you made a bot that only runs on the front end browser?

Hilarious.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

LMAO, so you made a bot that only runs on the front end browser?

Hilarious.

ROFL...what a nit.

I said nothing of the sort. Its an automation tool I was referring to that uses javascript and VBscript. But yes silly Javascript can and does run in the browser......and it can and does run in alot of other places too unrelated to browsers or servers. Buy a clue from Alex Trebek.....lolo lool
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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Javascript isn't like HTML. Javascript links can be made thousands of ways, it can even be made into arrays & then reassembled on the fly to show as a clickable link.

Example of a javascript array that builds a list of links:

hxxp://www.dafont.com/alpha.js

That javascript (URL above) creates 27 links.

It can even be way more complex than that If needed.

This sounds so tempting to use. But this is google we're talking about, and it just sounds funny to say that they aren't going to follow or know what I'm linking to.

Almost akin to that fogged up door some adult stores have to prevent people from seeing inside. Though the door is fogged you know damn well what's inside, so I'm thinking that's what it will be like using your J-script methods Yukon.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

This sounds so tempting to use. But this is google we're talking about, and it just sounds funny to say that they aren't going to follow or know what I'm linking to.

Almost akin to that fogged up door some adult stores have to prevent people from seeing inside. Though the door is fogged you know damn well what's inside, so I'm thinking that's what it will be like using your J-script methods Yukon.

When you stop thinking so much & start doing, you'll figure it out, it's not that difficult.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

When you stop thinking so much & start doing, you'll figure it out, it's not that difficult.

Nope, not the most valid of statements to make here.

The whole point here is that i don't want to test it out just to mess up my site.

I've put a lot of time into this thing and to mess it up just because someone said it was ok is what I am afraid of. I'm far more of a do'er than a theory guy anyway, but in this case I just needed the advice because it's not stuff I'm familiar with (bad neighborhood, adult stuff etc).

If there had been a clear cut case of of my situation where it had worked out previously, then that would be different. So again, I'm still undecided.

Lol it's sort of me just wanting yukon and Mike Anthony's advice to match up for once so i know 100% what to do.

But it's like trying to get a straight non-sarcastic/pretentious response form paulgl, it's just not going to happen.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Nope, not the most valid of statements to make here.

The whole point here is that i don't want to test it out just to mess up my site.

I've put a lot of time into this thing and to mess it up just because someone said it was ok is what I am afraid of. I'm far more of a do'er than a theory guy anyway, but in this case I just needed the advice because it's not stuff I'm familiar with (bad neighborhood, adult stuff etc).

If there had been a clear cut case of of my situation where it had worked out previously, then that would be different. So again, I'm still undecided.

Lol it's sort of me just wanting yukon and Mike Anthony's advice to match up for once so i know 100% what to do.

But it's like trying to get a straight non-sarcastic/pretentious response form paulgl, it's just not going to happen.

Lol, you ever seen a page ranked with javascript links (nope & you won't)? That's my point, Google could care less about javascript.

If it was my site, I would build my own self hosted sales page, then link to the affiliate SSL checkout page, that's how I do CB.

That way you can have 1 million (or whatever amount) links on your own domain all pointing to a single sales page (your internal page) & there's only a single external link (SSL checkout page).

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, you ever seen a page ranked with javascript links (nope & you won't)? That's my point, Google could care less about javascript.

If it was my site, I would build my own self hosted sales page, then link to the affiliate SSL checkout page, that's how I do CB.

That way you can have 1 million (or whatever amount) links on your own domain all pointing to a single sales page (your internal page) & there's only a single external link (SSL checkout page).

Yes!! Now that's what I'm talking about, a solid answer with clear explanation about how/why it would work. Thanks

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Yes!! Now that's what I'm talking about, a solid answer with clear explanation about how/why it would work. Thanks

If you say so and are happy with that. However the claim that Google does not care about javascript is utterly false. As far back as 8 years ago they began to process some links in JS

New Reality: Google Follows Links in JavaScript. - YouMoz - Moz

Subsequent to that there have been confirmations that JS links can even pass pagerank and anchor text. I don't deny that they cannot process everything but Google has always played their hands close to their vest and are always improving in that area since javascript technology is now a key part of the web . Keep it in mind because when they do update they will not send you a memo.

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

If you say so and are happy with that. However the claim that Google does not care about javascript is utterly false. As far back as 8 years ago they began to process some links in JS

New Reality: Google Follows Links in JavaScript. - YouMoz - Moz

Subsequent to that there have been confirmations that JS links can even pass pagerank and anchor text. I don't deny that they cannot process everything but Google has always played their hands close to their vest and are always improving in that area since javascript technology is now a key part of the web . Keep it in mind because when they do update they will not send you a memo.

Nah, I'm just happy that he put a little more behind his J-script proposal. The real decision has yet to be made.

I'm going to do a little research on this to see if any big affiliate sites that are primarily non-adult have promoted adult on a small isolated scale.

I feel like this is just like finding out your innocent neighbor keeps adult toys in their car or something. Like you would never expect it until you make the connection and now you'll always see them differently. Now you can't not think of them without thinking about the dildos in the car too. And not to say they're bad either. Thinking differently of them is far different than thinking lowly or bad of them.

Sorry if my analogies are weird lol

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heavysm

10 years ago

I just realized that the link Mike provided is from moz. Does that automatically mean that yukon disagrees? This is what I was talking about before lol

Why can't we just get along? :rolleyes:

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

I just realized that the link Mike provided is from moz. Does that automatically mean that yukon disagrees? This is what I was talking about before lol

Why can't we just get along? :rolleyes:

When has Yukon not taken any reference to Moz as a bad thing? I couldn't give a rip. its a silly bias that won't have me adjusting to what I link to. Moz is a leading company in SEO and no one can change that. However Google is sitting right there and there are plenty of references to Google's interest in crawling javascript outside of that moz link. Thats way back in 2008, searchengineland ha a piece on it too and many others. Heres just one search

https://www.google.com/search?q=Goog...w=1298&bih=592

knock yourself out but in fairness it does NOT mean they can crawl all javascript. It just means that yes they do concern themselves with it and they will more and more with the centrality of javascript to the modern web.

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heavysm 10 years ago

I'm looking up all the J-script stuff now. That has been the strongest lead for the thread but I completely get that google is a lot smarter than they lead on.

I definitely didn't mean that you should change your links Mike lol your advice along with yukons has been the strongest for the thread.

I'm looking at all sides here. But it is a pretty solid point that though google may not follow all javascript, they may follow some, and that's really all it takes to link one thing, however innocent in the adult world it might be, with my site.

I don't think it's worth the risk.
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Your over complicating the adult links, all you have to do is make them javascript links. Google could care less about javascript since it's not helping to rank pages.

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brettb

10 years ago

Google knows about JavaScript. It even noses around my AJAX/JSON web services.

If you link to adult sites you'll no doubt lose non-adult traffic.

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yukon Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by brettb

Google knows about JavaScript. It even noses around my AJAX/JSON web services.

If you link to adult sites you'll no doubt lose non-adult traffic.

Indexing a public file doesn't mean they understand the contents of a file. Completely different things.

I can go find a jumbo jet, doesn't mean I can fly the thing.
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davidfrankk

10 years ago

Might do you good initially in bringing you heavy traffic to your website. But in the long run, traffic from porn websites won't help a website's marketing efforts.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by davidfrankk

Might do you good initially in bringing you heavy traffic to your website. But in the long run, traffic from porn websites won't help a website's marketing efforts.

I think you have it backwards, OP is talking about linking to a porn page/site. Not inbound traffic from a porn site.

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heavysm 10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I think you have it backwards, OP is talking about linking to a porn page/site. Not inbound traffic from a porn site.

Yea I'm definitively the one giving the traffic to the adult store page. It's a single link out rather than backlinks FROM adult sites.

But what if it was a clickbank product about sexual related stuff and not an adult store?

The risk seems arbitrary, like what is the tipping point? So an ebook safe sex and dating is in the same world as hardcore porn and the dildo stores?

It seems hard to find the tipping point. As soon as it's sex it's a no no then?
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Rehmat

10 years ago

It is risky. Both dofollow and nofollow text links are a risk. JavaScript links may also let Google to know whom do you link. I would recommend you to create banners or ads in Flash. You can use Aleo Flash Intro Banner Maker to create ads by embedding links in them.

Some disadvantages are there, like on some mobile devices (and PCs where Flash isn't installed), your ad may not appear, still that's fine instead of taking the risk.

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mynet

10 years ago

If you Have normal site with family content. Then Don't try to exchange links with adult content site.

That will create gr8 loss to you, may be google adsense will ban your site for this reason.

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jkd000

10 years ago

Yes, it absolutely will. Without a doubt. Don't do it unless you want to see your organic traffic disappear.

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Adwizard

10 years ago

Seems there are a few folks here that really know a lot about SEO so why don't someone please jump over to this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...on-please.html and answer an SEO question.

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lily mccoy

10 years ago

Back links from porn site doesn't increase traffic or visitor and your website fall down in Google Ranking or SERP results , because these are bad links .

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by lily mccoy

Back links from porn site doesn't increase traffic or visitor and your website fall down in Google Ranking or SERP results , because these are bad links .

Sorry to bump this, but I must discourage the practice of not properly reading my initial question.

If anything I might be a single backlink to the adult site. There is nothing about me getting backlinks from adult sources in this thread.

I cannot allow misinformation to persist on this thread considering how complex things have already become

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pdrs

10 years ago

Originally Posted by heavysm

Sorry to bump this, but I must discourage the practice of not properly reading my initial question.

If anything I might be a single backlink to the adult site. There is nothing about me getting backlinks from adult sources in this thread.

I cannot allow misinformation to persist on this thread considering how complex things have already become

Dude, asking a signature link spammer to read and respond to your initial post properly is like asking my dog not to shit on the ground.

And since I took the time to write that, I had better chime in with my thoughts on your problem.

I can't believe there has even been a debate on this, it's quite simple really. Use a bit of common sense. If the site is doing very well, and you're making some good bucks, and there is a possibility (no matter how remote) that linking out to an adult product (which you have no idea how well is going to convert by the way), could give you some grief... just move on!

You're in a big wide niche, there are literally TONS of ideas/offers you can present to your readers that don't run any risk.

Besides, think about it... it's an "adult product" on clickbank... how good is it going to be... really?

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heavysm

10 years ago

Originally Posted by pdrs

Dude, asking a signature link spammer to read and respond to your initial post properly is like asking my dog not to shit on the ground.

And since I took the time to write that, I had better chime in with my thoughts on your problem.

I can't believe there has even been a debate on this, it's quite simple really. Use a bit of common sense. If the site is doing very well, and you're making some good bucks, and there is a possibility (no matter how remote) that linking out to an adult product (which you have no idea how well is going to convert by the way), could give you some grief... just move on!

You're in a big wide niche, there are literally TONS of ideas/offers you can present to your readers that don't run any risk.

Besides, think about it... it's an "adult product" on clickbank... how good is it going to be... really?

You can't believe there is even a debate about this? Hmmm, interesting.

It was simply a possibility to use those adult products. This is a thread exchanging valid views on the ramifications of linking out from a non-adult site. I want to know what others think and it created a good discussion. I really don't think there is any problem here.

You comment on responding to the spammer yet your own response contains no real insight.

The conclusion already achieved is that I will leave this behind and move on. Your point is redundant and unnecessary.

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david7h6

10 years ago

If clickbank finds out your site links to an adult site they might suspend your account. (affiliate or vendor)

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