Could this be a great project??

by StexM Banned 21 replies
Hi at all Warriors,

I'm an Internet Marketer who has always worked with paid traffic sources.

These days, however, around my head the possibility of a project.

I would like to create a portal into 15 different categories (health, finance, news, politics, etc.. Etc.).

I have a team of 100 people ready to write 2 articles a day for me to publish in this portal.

Is therefore a large enough volume (about 200 articles per day).

My goal is to monetize the web portal through Adsense, but obviously I have to reach large numbers (millions of page views per month).

In the first month I already can touch 6,000 articles published on the portal.

My team would be responsible of course of the sharing of articles on the different social, even through their personal social profiles.

In 6 months I should reach 36,000 articles.

What I'm wondering is this ... the volume makes the difference?

Obviously I'm talking about UNIQUEE web content, quality content, hand-written by the members of the team.

The volume will be able to give importance in the eyes of Google?

The portal is based on the AdSense monetization, so we have to get search engine traffic, then Google is indispensable.

We'll play on long tail keywords for the first few thousand articles.

Then as the big G will give us importance, we also aim at the most important keywords.

Do you REALLY believe that it is a viable project?

There are holes in this project? If yes... what?

Thanks!
#search engine optimization #great #project
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    For the social media - you can use a plugin that will automatically distribute all your content across multiple social media accounts, and this will save you a lot of work.

    Having such a big team will be quite costly, however, if it is something like a wiki site, where people get information it might be worth it.

    You have to be patient, however, as it will take some time for all these articles to gain authority.
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      Originally Posted by yoangov View Post

      For the social media - you can use a plugin that will automatically distribute all your content across multiple social media accounts, and this will save you a lot of work.

      Having such a big team will be quite costly, however, if it is something like a wiki site, where people get information it might be worth it.

      You have to be patient, however, as it will take some time for all these articles to gain authority.
      Yes, the investment is substantial.

      How long do you think it will be before to receive a good amount of traffic?

      As I said earlier, we are able to publish 6,000 articles per month.

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    Well, let's consider the possibility to have 15-20+ social media accounts, and make all integration automatic. (In case you are using wordpress, as I know for sure there are plugins that do that).

    Nobody can give you exact estimations, but 200 articles per day, means 200 whitehat social signals which will definitely help for your ranking.

    In less than 1 month you should be able to start seeing improvement on the SERPs, and start ranking for at least multiple broad keywords.

    Also, if your articles are not keyword stuffed, and you target different keyword with each article, then you should be able to rank top200 without any backlinks whatsoever (only social signals). Some of your keywords won't get top200 fast, but you should be able to rank the majority of them if your content is good.

    The main point here is, to target different keywords with every article, then in a few months (2-3?) you should start ranking pretty well, and gain good traffic.

    Such investment would make sense to have a solid SEO budget for even better results, but you have to be very careful with the company you choose, especially when you are not experienced with SEO. (As you said, you are a paid traffic guy, so I guess your SEO skills are not the best)
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      Originally Posted by yoangov View Post

      Well, let's consider the possibility to have 15-20+ social media accounts, and make all integration automatic. (In case you are using wordpress, as I know for sure there are plugins that do that).

      Nobody can give you exact estimations, but 200 articles per day, means 200 whitehat social signals which will definitely help for your ranking.

      In less than 1 month you should be able to start seeing improvement on the SERPs, and start ranking for at least multiple broad keywords.

      Also, if your articles are not keyword stuffed, and you target different keyword with each article, then you should be able to rank top200 without any backlinks whatsoever (only social signals). Some of your keywords won't get top200 fast, but you should be able to rank the majority of them if your content is good.

      The main point here is, to target different keywords with every article, then in a few months (2-3?) you should start ranking pretty well, and gain good traffic.

      Such investment would make sense to have a solid SEO budget for even better results, but you have to be very careful with the company you choose, especially when you are not experienced with SEO. (As you said, you are a paid traffic guy, so I guess your SEO skills are not the best)

      I have a team of WRITERS, here is no SEO expert, and I do not have a team that takes care of it.

      I myself am NOT a SEO expert.

      In practice, TOP 200 mean not receive any type of traffic, right?

      People hardly go beyond the fifth page of Google (so TOP 50!)

      Any advice? Some further prediction of outcomes?
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    My point for the SEO was to outsource the process, and find a good company to do this for you.

    Top 200 means no traffic indeed, but if your site is a quality one, all your keywords will start moving upwards slowly, you can't rank top3 out of nowhere.

    I believe that 200 articles/day are not needed, and you can do well with much less. Even if somebody gives you any predictions of outcome, you can't ever be sure about it, as there are too many variables involved in the process.

    I have seen websites with 100-150 articles get 10k+++ UV per day, yet there are plenty of other 300+ article websites that don't get anywhere close.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Anton
    It could be, but most likely isn't. In order to do that type of volume you would either need "partners" such as the Squidoo/Hubpages model, or you would have to pay out as a freelancer. This would be entirely too expensive to bank roll (depending on your capital) as Native English speakers would want at least $5-$15 per article.

    Volume isn't the issue, it's the quality and value added to the end user. If the quality is trash it will most likely end similar to Ezinearticles, where it got penalized due to churn and burn (still probably profitable for owners though).

    In the end, you should either get a bunch of people on board as partners for their sections, or focus on a niche, as trying to do everything is possible but have to be very savy to pull this off.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    Yep, as Matthew said - it's better to go niche, with multiple websites, instead of 1 website that writes about everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      Originally Posted by yoangov View Post

      Yep, as Matthew said - it's better to go niche, with multiple websites, instead of 1 website that writes about everything.
      Now i totally understand...

      in practice it would only be a content portal... the content will be of quality (I've experienced writers for each category of the portal) but it could only happen to be a collector of articles... right?

      Is this the problem?

      We can not of course claim a "category", going to target a variety of topics.

      Is this a problem?

      Thanks guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author StexM
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        I think in a portal how "About.com"...

        It's 85th on Alexa Rank!
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Originally Posted by StexM View Post

          I think in a portal how "About.com"...

          It's 85th on Alexa Rank!
          About.com is built on sub-domains that are each targeting a single niche. That's different than what your trying to do with a single domain & random niches.
          • hxxp://history1900s.about.com/
          • hxxp://americanhistory.about.com/
          • hxxp://ancienthistory.about.com/
          • etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    Hats off to about.com for the subdomain idea. If you are going to write on multiple topics, start with 5, and then explore to new and new ones. The more subdomains, and the more content you have, the higher your authority will become. This is a much better model, than going for 1 website (content host) with 15 completely different niches.
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    If you are already doing great with your website but wants to have a bigger bite of the pie, then the idea is good. Managing a portal is not as easy as you think. Getting the numbers is not the issue. Getting the numbers to convert is. So it boils down to designing your portal to be SEO friendly and writing articles that are worth reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Ah now seriously here fellas, what kind of bs is this?

    I've got 100 competent writers on stand-by to publish 6000 articles per month and a substantial budget to cover it. So I thought I'd swing by warriorforum and get some opinions.

    Let me translate that for you

    I'm thinking of getting a bunch of readable highly spun multi-topic articles from this guy on Fiverr. And I'm wondering if it's coolio to publish 6000 variations of them a month to my site with this xmlrpc publisher I got with my $20 spinchimp subscription. Waddya all think bout dat?
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    • Profile picture of the author StexM
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Ah now seriously here fellas, what kind of bs is this?

      I've got 100 competent writers on stand-by to publish 6000 articles per month and a substantial budget to cover it. So I thought I'd swing by warriorforum and get some opinions.

      Let me translate that for you

      I'm thinking of getting a bunch of readable highly spun multi-topic articles from this guy on Fiverr. And I'm wondering if it's coolio to publish 6000 variations of them a month to my site with this xmlrpc publisher I got with my $20 spinchimp subscription. Waddya all think bout dat?
      Well ... even today the je.k of the situation has come.... now I am more quiet!

      The envy and boredom leads to this!



      I am seriously considering the idea of subdomains... "About.com" style.

      Otherwise I should create 1 site for every niche, but I'm afraid that this takes a long time to give authority to every site (I will not be able to get large volumes).

      What do you think guys?

      P.S. Kevin, please... go to drink a cold beer!
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by StexM View Post

        What do you think guys?
        My usual advice: start pursuing it, but keep it small enough, try to grow organically, and don't take too big a gamble from the beginning. Track everything, see what works, and change plans accordingly. You know, very basic entrepreneurial stuff.

        I think your main site could be about a few related fields/niches, as long as it's not about everything under the sun. You could then make a move to the sub domains for something that's "incompatible".
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          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          My usual advice: start pursuing it, but keep it small enough, try to grow organically, and don't take too big a gamble from the beginning. Track everything, see what works, and change plans accordingly. You know, very basic entrepreneurial stuff.

          I think your main site could be about a few related fields/niches, as long as it's not about everything under the sun. You could then make a move to the sub domains for something that's "incompatible".
          Thank you so much bro!

          I think this is the best idea ...

          We'll start with a couple of niches, using only a few of the people on the team (this will save us a lot). But we will pay for a SEO consultant...

          Subsequently, if the traffic comes, we can think of subdomains for different niches... BUT... I have a doubt about this...

          Starting without subdomains, and then passing to create subdomains ... can damage our position in SERP?

          Thanks again!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by StexM View Post

        Well ... even today the je.k of the situation has come.... now I am more quiet!

        The envy and boredom leads to this!



        I am seriously considering the idea of subdomains... "About.com" style.

        Otherwise I should create 1 site for every niche, but I'm afraid that this takes a long time to give authority to every site (I will not be able to get large volumes).

        What do you think guys?

        P.S. Kevin, please... go to drink a cold beer!
        Yeah I'm the resident Troll on the board, But in this case I'll crown myself the resident Reality Checker.

        100 Writers
        6000 Articles

        Anyone care to put an estimate on that monthly outgoing? If I used my writers and for arguments sake, each article was a small 500 words a piece.

        500 Words @ $20 x 6000 = $120,000 Per Month

        And you have no SEO consultant?

        I don't think we need go further with this nonsense. You are either

        A: Blowing smoke up peoples asses with motives yet unknwon
        B: Some big whale of a fool with pockets as deep as Bill Gates, who is about to blow a boatload of cash on some whacked out pipe dream.

        My money is on A.

        P.S

        We haven't even started with the SEO costs on this one, normally 4 times the content costs. So yeah, anyone who want's to buy into this million dollar baby go right ahead.

        If you're that naive, I'm still selling 2 front row tickets to the next Michael Jackson concert if you're interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    I feel Kevin is right on this one. I just don't see how a site that pushes 6k articles per month is going to be worth a visit. Even if the content was as good as OP claims, it would take effort to make the user experience equally good.

    If there's substantial budget, why not write just, say, 60 articles instead, but make sure every one of them is great? That's the way to get social media traffic and backlinks. It would also be possible to start with couple of promising niches, see how it works, and not invest that much up front.

    Originally Posted by StexM View Post

    How long do you think it will be before to receive a good amount of traffic?
    There's no way we could answer that question. There's sites that never get good traffic, and there's sites that get bombarded in their first month.

    I've recently watched a very successful blog take off like a rocket, breaking bandwidth limits and getting a following straight from the start. Their content is absolutely top notch: well written, nicely formatted, and consistently uses professional-grade photography. It certainly doesn't hurt that the owners are passionate about their niche, and were already working on a related field.
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  • Profile picture of the author trade4861
    I've been playing the internet marketing game for over 15 years, this idea sounds like a giant disaster! Publishing articles by the masses isn't the game anymore. 1 million page views? Not gonna happen…pipe dream!

    You’re gonna need Tom Brokaw as one of your writers to be getting that many visitors from your articles. 36,000 "high quality articles" (prob average articles) could yield you 500 visitors
    (for the whole website) or less each day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dentist
    I think you are going in the wrong direction. You should invest your money on creating videos instead. Sent you a message. Contact me and we will discuss it more.
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      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      If you have the means to launch this plan, do it. This is an excellent idea, and if you stick with it, you could build a huge site that makes money on autopilot. As long as your articles are good, and are properly search engine optimized for longtail traffic, you will make money with this method, even if you don't go after niches that have high click rates.
      Thanks bro!

      What people as Kevin think is not important to me.

      Their mind is so limited that they believe that I should pay for each article written, not thinking that there are many other ways to create this project.

      I will give this project to life!

      Thanks at all guys!


      P.S. Kevin, I think you will have to pay a fresh beer to everyone here on the thread!
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