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15 years ago

Well you definitely wouldn't have heard that from me.
We have a strong business based on directories, and if anything its getting better, and the directory industry as a whole is improving.

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Saidar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

Well you definitely wouldn't have heard that from me.
We have a strong business based on directories, and if anything its getting better, and the directory industry as a whole is improving.

Awesome, that is good news. I'm glad I finally found proof that directories actually work, because it is an easy way to get hundreds of back links for free.

Many warriors say that directories are useless. Maybe they are useless if you ONLY have directories linking to your site, but I think when mixed with conventional links it can drastically improve your search engine rankings

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bgmacaw

15 years ago

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

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askloz

15 years ago

LOL, directories are useless, but the others, no way!

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

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Saidar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

LOL, directories are useless, but the others, no way!

Well I analyzed a site who ranks nr 1 for Car Insurance, and most of his links are from directories. I think that is sufficient proof that directories and link pages work, as that is a competitive niche like non other

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askloz

15 years ago

Ok, go ahead and get 300 backlinks from directories,and I'll get 50 from proper sites and outrank ya.

what would you prefer.

50 backlinks right?

Originally Posted by Saidar

Well I analyzed a site who ranks nr 1 for Car Insurance, and most of his links are from directories. I think that is sufficient proof that directories and link pages work, as that is a competitive niche like non other

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dvduval 15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

Ok, go ahead and get 300 backlinks from directories,and I'll get 50 from proper sites and outrank ya.

what would you prefer.

50 backlinks right?

You "either ... or" approach seems a bit limiting to me. Why not do both?
As you have seen, it does work!
Sure, I've got some pagerank 7 pages that I could put a link on right now and outrank quite a few people, but not everyone has that option, and directories are effective for those people.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

Ok, go ahead and get 300 backlinks from directories,and I'll get 50 from proper sites and outrank ya.

what would you prefer.

50 backlinks right?

Of course, but for me getting 50 good quality backlinks would take a lot of time, I don't have the resources that you have

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askloz

15 years ago

A lot of time?

Ok, consider this...

When I started out, I was doing all the things newbies did. If I knew now what I did back then, I would of shaved over 80% off the time to do these backlinks.

research, research, after it's done, you dont need to do as much to find places to get links from, and while in the process, build your own network. Compound your earnings, hire writers, and plonk the article on your website, 10-30 a month will be just fine for your network sites, just make sure it's consistent content. Over time, it will pay for itself

Originally Posted by Saidar

Of course, but for me getting 50 good quality backlinks would take a lot of time, I don't have the resources that you have

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

A lot of time?

Ok, consider this...

When I started out, I was doing all the things newbies did. If I knew now what I did back then, I would of shaved over 80% off the time to do these backlinks.

research, research, after it's done, you dont need to do as much to find places to get links from, and while in the process, build your own network. Compound your earnings, hire writers, and plonk the article on your website, 10-30 a month will be just fine for your network sites, just make sure it's consistent content. Over time, it will pay for itself

Ok, fair enough, but can you tell us more? Right now the fastest links that I can get is from Angela's link packages. How do you find other links by yourself? By using google search strings?

If you had NO websites, and started your first site, how would your link building look like? Where would you find the links?

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TKO

15 years ago

Askloz I dont appreciate you taking what I said out of context.

Reread my post and don't quote one section without the other.

My post was referring to bmmagaw. You seem to agree with me......LOL read the whole post and the conversations before you get on your high horse. Too Funny

Are these your words Askloz

"LOL, directories are useless, but the others, no way!"

How is that different to what I said before you took my comment out of context......?

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askloz

15 years ago

It's LOZ, not askloz.

Originally Posted by TKO

Askloz I dont appreciate you taking what I said out of context.

Reread my post and don't quote one section without the other.

this is what you said
"As for the others, are you f^%&ing kidding me. They should be the backbone of any SEO attempt. "

Why should link directories be the backbone of seo?

Link directories do not hold as much weight as they used to. You should know this by now?

Originally Posted by TKO

My post was referring to bmmagaw. You seem to agree with me......LOL read the whole post and the conversations before you get on your high horse. Too Funny

Dude, you never mentioned who you were talking to? :confused:

Originally Posted by TKO

Are these your words Askloz

"LOL, directories are useless, but the others, no way!"

How is that different to what I said before you took my comment out of context......?

IT'S LOZ, mate, read my sig.

You said, directories should be, but when you said "as for the others", I thought you were referring to related sites, social bookmarking sites, article directories, forums, guestbooks, social groups like yahoogroups, google groups, etc, blogs and what not?

Now I guess you were referring to a "PERSON" and not a method of getting backlinks...lol

D'oh...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

research, research, after it's done, you dont need to do as much to find places to get links from, and while in the process, build your own network.

Exactly. This is how it's done, build your own network of supporting sites supplemented by other people's sites.

Originally Posted by Saidar

Ok, fair enough, but can you tell us more? Right now the fastest links that I can get is from Angela's link packages. How do you find other links by yourself? By using google search strings?

If you had NO websites, and started your first site, how would your link building look like? Where would you find the links?

I'd first get Bookmarking Demon, RSSBot and ArticleBot and use them to promote my site. I'd use this list of free blog and content sites to develop a supporting network. I would seek out high traffic blogs with good PR and comment on them, preferably dofollow in my niche. The same with forums. I'd create my own supporting domains as well.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

I'd first get Bookmarking Demon, RSSBot and ArticleBot and use them to promote my site. I'd use this list of free blog and content sites to develop a supporting network. I would seek out high traffic blogs with good PR and comment on them, preferably dofollow in my niche. The same with forums. I'd create my own supporting domains as well.

Awesome, thanks, will do as you say

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CDarklock 15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

Ok, go ahead and get 300 backlinks from directories,and I'll get 50 from proper sites and outrank ya.

But any retard can get the 300. It's not that you can do better with links from proper sites... it's that links from directories are much, much easier.
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- askloz 15 years ago
  
  Ok, spend 8 hours getting links from 300 directories, of if you want to do it properly, 7 days from those 300, and I'll spend 1 hour a day doing 10 links via the 50 and I'll see ya at the top - but below my ranking
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  But any retard can get the 300. It's not that you can do better with links from proper sites... it's that links from directories are much, much easier.
  
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Originally Posted by askloz

Ok, go ahead and get 300 backlinks from directories,and I'll get 50 from proper sites and outrank ya.

what would you prefer.

50 backlinks right?

Hmm... That sounds like a challenge. Anyone up for it and see which site ranks higher?
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- Saidar 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CBSnooper
  
  Hmm... That sounds like a challenge. Anyone up for it and see which site ranks higher?
  
  Don't challenge Loz his superman ego will boost his links to such an extent that they will outrank adobe for the term "click here"
  
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  dvduval 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CBSnooper
  
  Hmm... That sounds like a challenge. Anyone up for it and see which site ranks higher?
  
  Yes, there are some strong directories out there, and 300 directory links against 50 blog lings... I would take the 300 directory links. But as the next quote says...
  
  Originally Posted by freetraff
  
  I will tell you a big secret
  
  In general - LINKS WORK!!!
  
  Absolutely! Get links from a variety of sources, and don't get too narrow in your focus. Blog links can be good, as can directories.
  
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Saidar

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

Haha, damn then nothing is left. If that is true then we all are screwed

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

Oh old memories of how I thought just maybe someone would link to my site, when obviosuly they aren't going to if it's not to be found in a search engine

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Saidar 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

Oh old memories of how I thought just maybe someone would link to my site, when obviosuly they aren't going to if it's not to be found in a search engine

Haha yea that is so true. I don't know why google is against payed links because if you don't have any links you will never be visible in search results
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

Every time other people build your links, the terrorists win. I'm just sayin'.

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dvduval 15 years ago

Originally Posted by peter gibson

Every time other people build your links, the terrorists win. I'm just sayin'.

:p

Now that I do somewhat agree with. There are some services that do pretty good directory submission (by hand, and using different titles and descriptions). In the example I gave above that ranked #1 off directory submissions alone, It was a combination of using a good service, plus a few done by hand myself.
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- TKO 15 years ago
  
  Test things out for yourself and don't always listen to "gossip, lies, innuendo or mismanaged imaginations".
  
  Directory submissions work, maybe not as well as they used to, but they work if you want to get some extra backlinks.
  
  As for the others, are you f^%&ing kidding me. They should be the backbone of any SEO attempt.
  
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  askloz 15 years ago
  
  LOL, no way mate, I found them to be a complete waste of time. Over 80% of the directories don't index the page. And a good 50% of them take like 1-3 months to approve your link, while a good percentage of them require a backlink in return, that adds up to more time out of my schedule, sod that mate, time is a issue here. I like to work fast, not mess around. Me want results tomorrow, not next month or the one after that.
  
  Originally Posted by TKO
  
  As for the others, are you f^%&ing kidding me. They should be the backbone of any SEO attempt.
  
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

Exactemente!

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wholesaleguy

15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

No, No, and well, No (LOL!). Directories like Joe Ant, Business.com, and higher quality directories like Yahoo's are not useless. Yes, you will have to pay a fee for some of the more upscale directories, but you only need a few. Even some of the free directories can be useful depending on their traffic level or Page Rank. Forum commenting has driven a lot of traffic to my site. I am a member of two forums that are dedicated to my niche and they are some of my top traffic generators. And, my intention was never to use the forums for that purpose - but to share my knowledge about the wholesale industry.

Social bookmarking might be useless if your only exposure to SB is Twitter and you don't know how to use it to enhance your site or business properly, since it only allows, I think, for 140 characters at a time. But, if you use SB sites like Digg, Redit, or Stumbleupon, then it can help a new site be found by Google and other SE's. It can also drive a ton of traffic to your blog/website if you have decent writing skills or are skillful in the art of "linkbaiting".

If you use Social Media sites like Squidoo, Hubpages, etc., you can get the keyword of your choice indexed rather quickly. I have used social media sites like Google Knols and have ranked for a couple of terms that I targeted within a short period of time. I will say that Digg or Redit traffic might not be good for converting customers - if you have a product offer. In that respect, it might be "useless", but I am sure others might disagree.

I have had some success with article marketing and I am not a prolific writer. Matter of fact, I never wrote an article till I started developing my website. I have created just a handful of articles, two imparticular that were republished on more then a few websites and blogs. It helped tremendously with ranking for one particular keyword I was targeting. I just use a few article directories and find EzineArticles.com to be one of the best.

Having good content on your site is a good plan, but in order for someone to link to it you need exposure. This is where SB and SM can make you shine. Write a good post/article for Digg - and people will link to your content. I just don't know how people will find your site or your content if you don't do at least use one of these methods. Just because you build it - does not necessarily ensure that the Internet surfing public will beat a path to your site/blog if no one knows who you are, or where your content is in the first place.

Unless you have an endless amount of money to spend on links, contextual advertising, or large ad network buys, then I guess the methods you mention are useless. But, at least in my experience - if you use them the right way it can help with indexing and keyword ranking. And frankly, I don't see SM, Blog Commenting, Forums, Articles, or any of the methods you mention being useless or ineffective at time goes on.

But then again, I have been wrong before!

BTW - what methods do you use that you find "useful" and not useless?

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bgmacaw

15 years ago

Originally Posted by wholesaleguy

BTW - what methods do you use that you find "useful" and not useless?

Sorry, I was being satirical in that post. I'm going to have to flag those better.

We get a couple of 'gloom and doom' posts around here every week about how this or that is no longer working so I was satirizing that kind of post.

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freetraff 15 years ago

I will tell you a big secret

In general - LINKS WORK!!!
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

Sorry, I was being satirical in that post. I'm going to have to flag those better.

We get a couple of 'gloom and doom' posts around here every week about how this or that is no longer working so I was satirizing that kind of post.

As I was writing my response, I thought, in the back of my mind, that your post might have been a type of "forum baiting" to get people to respond to it!

See, you really could be good at linkbaiting. Social Media and writing articles that will hit the front page of Digg are in your future! (LOL!).

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

No, directories are useless. Social bookmarking is useless. Blog and forum commenting is useless. Article marketing is useless. Just let other people build links to the great content on your site naturally.

If all of those strategies of link building you have mentioned are useless then why they still exist?

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ptone 15 years ago

Originally Posted by kim robin

If all of those strategies of link building you have mentioned are useless then why they still exist?

Kim,

He was being sarcastic...what he meant was that those strategies are USEFUL!

(didn't he just mention this?)
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Anthony Coburn 15 years ago

Yeah they ain't completely useless.

My boss has a website up, about three years old, total of 4 links, ranked for nothing but his business name.

I banged a couple of hundred directory links with 6 different anchor texts on about three weeks ago, a week later and ever since he's ranking No1 and No2 in his geographical market for the six anchors. He's over the moon and his traffic has gone up by 400%. Lol...i guess google sussed out what his business was from the anchors.

Mind you the competition aren't net savy and all their links are from directories also, so its fighting fire with fire in his case...
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15 years ago

I invite anyone to pick a couple of longtail phrases and create a site, and use directory submissions as their only means of adding links. Generally, it can take a couple of months, both because you are waiting for google to see the new links, and because you have to wait for directory owners to approve the links, but it definitely works, and even the top spam engineer at google, Matt Cutts, says directories are okay, as long they have an editorial policy, and certainly some directories are better than others.

Want a specific example?
search for College Admissions Assistance and look at the first result
Then use yahoo to check the inlinks. It DOES work.

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15 years ago

When it comes to submitting to directories, you need to have a good strategy like anything else. If you don't know what you are doing (and it seems that may be the case with some), then there is a really good chance you are wasting your time. Let me give you a few helpful hints and comments:
1. New directories come out every day. The newer ones tend to be more likely to accept your site, as they are still building up their directory.
2. Some of the better directories are well indexed by google, and while you may need to pay for a link, you are virtually guaranteed the link will be approved, and help your ranking.
3. It can be helpful to submit to a few directories each week. Some may not approve your link, or they may not get indexed, but over time many will, and you can count on an increasing return.
4. It can take a couple of months to start to see results. If you are the type of person that has several projects going at any given time, make directory submission a part of what you do each week, and you'll see sites start to rank over the course of time. Generally, I have a list of 5-10 sites that I submit each week, and it changes over time.
5. Google's whole algorithm is built on links. Links are the primary method google determines ranking. One way links through directories are a great way to build links.
6. Ranking a site "overnight" is an extremely rare occurrence these days, but a consistent plan that includes submitting to directories does work.

Here is one site that does a good job of showing directories you can submit to:
Info Vilesilencer: The Original SEO Friendly Free Directory List
This site has been features in SEO books and magazines (ex. at Barnes and Nobles)

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

When it comes to submitting to directories, you need to have a good strategy like anything else. If you don't know what you are doing (and it seems that may be the case with some), then there is a really good chance you are wasting your time. Let me give you a few helpful hints and comments:
1. New directories come out every day. The newer ones tend to be more likely to accept your site, as they are still building up their directory.
2. Some of the better directories are well indexed by google, and while you may need to pay for a link, you are virtually guaranteed the link will be approved, and help your ranking.
3. It can be helpful to submit to a few directories each week. Some may not approve your link, or they may not get indexed, but over time many will, and you can count on an increasing return.
4. It can take a couple of months to start to see results. If you are the type of person that has several projects going at any given time, make directory submission a part of what you do each week, and you'll see sites start to rank over the course of time. Generally, I have a list of 5-10 sites that I submit each week, and it changes over time.
5. Google's whole algorithm is built on links. Links are the primary method google determines ranking. One way links through directories are a great way to build links.
6. Ranking a site "overnight" is an extremely rare occurrence these days, but a consistent plan that includes submitting to directories does work.

Here is one site that does a good job of showing directories you can submit to:
Info Vilesilencer: The Original SEO Friendly Free Directory List
This site has been features in SEO books and magazines (ex. at Barnes and Nobles)

Thanks for the information, will follow your advice. I'm using Directory Bot at the moment. The program supports about 500 directories that it automatically submits your site to, except the captcha ones where you have to enter the code. What do you think about this software?

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Saidar

Thanks for the information, will follow your advice. I'm using Directory Bot at the moment. The program supports about 500 directories that it automatically submits your site to, except the captcha ones where you have to enter the code. What do you think about this software?

The problem with this is that the directories that are accessible by the bot are also highly spammed, or at least overloaded with submissions, so the return is not all that good. I recommend hand submission, and just do a few each day. You'll better at finding them as you go too. The better ones have captcha in many cases.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

The problem with this is that the directories that are accessible by the bot are also highly spammed, or at least overloaded with submissions, so the return is not all that good. I recommend hand submission, and just do a few each day. You'll better at finding them as you go too. The better ones have captcha in many cases.

Mmm... I see what you mean. I have used Manual Directory Submission Service: Get One-Way Links | Directory Maximizer before, they ask I thin 14cents per directory submission. Not bad. And I think they only submit to quality directories. You can select what page rank the directories must be etc etc...

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Saidar

Thanks for the information, will follow your advice. I'm using Directory Bot at the moment. The program supports about 500 directories that it automatically submits your site to, except the captcha ones where you have to enter the code. What do you think about this software?

The problem with this is that the directories that are accessible by the bot are also highly spammed, or at least overloaded with submissions, so the return is not all that good. I recommend hand submission, and just do a few each day. You'll better at finding them as you go too. The better ones have captcha in many cases.

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15 years ago

Yes, I would definitely try the manual submit route. Even do a few yourself so you can get a feel for the process.

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15 years ago

I really disagree with socialbookmarking blogs comments and forums not helping you getting top page links on google. This is how I have built first page ranking by these tactics. A link is better than no link... Traffic will grow that way and then natural linking will happen.

By the way a lot of natural linking comes from people browsing your website from social bookmarking website.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by brp002

I really disagree with socialbookmarking blogs comments and forums not helping you getting top page links on google. This is how I have built first page ranking by these tactics. A link is better than no link... Traffic will grow that way and then natural linking will happen.

By the way a lot of natural linking comes from people browsing your website from social bookmarking website.

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Absolutely. I have another website that ranks #1 for dance studio software, and virtually all the links came from either directories or posting on forums (and more from forums).

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

Absolutely. I have another website that ranks #1 for dance studio software, and virtually all the links came from either directories or posting on forums (and more from forums).

Do you have any knowledge about ranking on certain servers like the germany server or the japan server or whatever. I want to rank for a keyword on my local server, will getting links from say the US help me in any way to rank high on a local server?

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John Blaisdale

15 years ago

Directory backlinks are something that I haven't really focused on yet for my website. It's definitely something that I need to get on because I can definitely see its usefulness when it comes to SEO and ranking in the SERPS.

Now like I said, I haven't been using directories yet for backlinks. However, I do believe that they are still beneficial when it comes to ranking in the SERPS for your targeted keywords. This is the way I see it; a link is a link and if you are getting an anchored text backlink from a directory then you are getting...a link.

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dvduval

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Saidar

Do you have any knowledge about ranking on certain servers like the germany server or the japan server or whatever. I want to rank for a keyword on my local server, will getting links from say the US help me in any way to rank high on a local server?

Well, if you are trying to rank among say German users, it would make sense to submit to German directories (and there lots of German directories).

Originally Posted by John Blaisdale

Directory backlinks are something that I haven't really focused on yet for my website. It's definitely something that I need to get on because I can definitely see its usefulness when it comes to SEO and ranking in the SERPS.

Now like I said, I haven't been using directories yet for backlinks. However, I do believe that they are still beneficial when it comes to ranking in the SERPS for your targeted keywords. This is the way I see it; a link is a link and if you are getting an anchored text backlink from a directory then you are getting...a link.

Absolutely, you have to start somewhere building links. You can't expect that you can instantly find perfect high pagerank links to point to your site and be an overnight success. So by having a process in place to slowly increase links over time, you'll start to gain traction, and as you do, it will also be easier to get better and better links pointing to your site, because your site is starting to look like something.

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freelistfool

15 years ago

Directory links aren't useless...although there are a lot of crap directories out there. The key is wading through the bad ones to find the directories that actually pass some link juice.

I've found that well edited niche directories are treated by Google the same way as they treat any other site in the niche. A lot of them get search engine traffic from Google for text on their pages. Get links from those types of directories and you'll rise in the SERPs.

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dvduval

15 years ago

Originally Posted by freelistfool

Directory links aren't useless...although there are a lot of crap directories out there. The key is wading through the bad ones to find the directories that actually pass some link juice.

I've found that well edited niche directories are treated by Google the same way as they treat any other site in the niche. A lot of them get search engine traffic from Google for text on their pages. Get links from those types of directories and you'll rise in the SERPs.

True about niche directories, and as I look at our internal data, I can tell you that it is local/city directories and niche directories that are the hottest right now.

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anwar001

15 years ago

I am glad that directory submissions do have their place in SEO effort. I am sure to try them out after reading this thread, but will not do so by myself. Better to outsource the work.

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Amenda Jessera

15 years ago

It is a surprise to me even, I never hear that directories worked a lot, This is the first time I hear this, However, As far as I know, it is really hard to get success with it. More and more hard work is required for that. In my experience, blog comments/social bookmarks are easier than this :p

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Dima Kritchevski

15 years ago

Anyone have some useful advice or insight on how many links you should get from directories per day?

Obviously 1000 links in one day would be bad but 20 links per day for 50 days would be better...

any good schedules an seo pro can recommend?

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