Picked up domain for PBN: already used

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Hey all,

Just a quick question. I recently picked up a nice domain for my PBN. DA31 and PA43. Apparently I didn't check archive.org very well because I just saw that the domain has been used in a PBN about 2 years ago for the period of 1.5-2 years. I was wondering if this domain is still usable for my PBN. The incoming links to the domain are fine and during the period before the previous PBN-owner had the domain it was a very legitimate website.

Anyone of you guys picked up a domain yourself that was already used in a PBN before? What happend?

Thanks!
#domain #pbn #picked
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    You better recheck the links. If they were any good, it is highly unlikely the original owner would have let it go.

    Also probably want to make sure it is indexed. About the only time i have seen people let PBN sites go is if they lost links or they were deindexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bretlaw
    Thanks for your reply. The links are definitely good, if not awesome. Felt kinda strange that the previous owner dropped it indeed. Did a little research on him: his SEO company doens't exist anymore. Perhaps he moved on to something else or something happend.

    How can I make sure that the domain will be indexed and not appear on some sort of blocklist at Google?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    You can check if it is indexed by typing in site:http://www. domainname.com in the Google search bar.

    As for it being on a blacklist by Google, there is no way to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    Having picked up a few of these before it's definitely possible that you got lucky and a decent domain previously used in a network is still legit. Many networks owners aren't all that careful with expiry dates etc. or hit some kind of trouble where they just simply drop good domains - or they simply move onto other things.

    Like Mike says, check if it gets indexed but that still won't necessarily show if it's penalised in any way. After that, it's trial and error. Point it at something to test before you point it at something you don't want to poison. You could also try to rank it for keywords it would have been associated with in the past and see how well it does. Not likely to be very easy even with the lowest competition keywords if there is a big penalty on it. Failing all that (and if it's worth the effort due to money paid) you could ask for Google to reconsider any penalties as you're a new owner. Of course, that will put you straight back on their radar, so you'll have to play it casual and legitimate for a while. (probably exactly how a good network site should be run, anyway!)
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    If the domain isn't indexed it doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad domain. Put the domain on a cheap monthly host & see If you can index & rank a page on the PBN site. My point is to keep the new PBN domain quarantined & away from all your existing good domains until you can prove the new domain is safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    If the domain been used for SEO before it is most probably penalized or marked as spam already.
    In this case it might be an "honey trap" that will ruin your entire SEO campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by tbtb123 View Post

      If the domain been used for SEO before it is most probably penalized or marked as spam already.
      In this case it might be an "honey trap" that will ruin your entire SEO campaign.
      If its indexed theres no penalty and with a good link profile I don't know how it would be marked as spam.
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      • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        If its indexed theres no penalty and with a good link profile I don't know how it would be marked as spam.
        # Not all penalty or 'blacklisted' domains are unindexed.
        # What does the backlinks have to do with that? Google penalize domains because of many reasons (like doing spam) and the backlinks are not effected by that...
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          TB I have bought all kinds of domains from all kinds of places (probably over a thousand now) and I have NEVER had a site that did not have ranking effect as long as it was indexed and it had the necessary links. Please present some evidence that Google will look at a network site find it and decide Oh okay we won't deindex it we will just put an unknown penalty on its juice so the service provider can go on collecting money from renting out links
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            TB I have bought all kinds of domains from all kinds of places (probably over a thousand now) and I have NEVER had a site that did not have ranking effect as long as it was indexed and it had the necessary links. Please present some evidence that Google will look at a network site find it and decide Oh okay we won't deindex it we will just put an unknown penalty on its juice so the service provider can go on collecting money from renting out links
            Actually Mike, back in my advertorial selling days I had around 15 sites that were penalised for link selling on the day of the Interflora fiasco - they had their PRs dropped by around 3 points and all had warnings in WMT (these were the days when being ultra careful to hide footprints was not an issue to clients).

            All the sites remained indexed though. Who is to say that Google would always penalise a network by deindexing it? Why not just give it link selling penalties?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Hey steve,

              Selling links is a definitely a good point but if the OP identified it as a link network then its safe to say it was pretty obvious. You know the kind WP with links in every post etc etc. Those don't get penalized they get taken out because its obvious they are not real sites but selling links.

              Thats been my experience in regard to SEO network sites. Now I got to add that I did just assume that the OP is talking about a cost of registration pickup because he suggested it was not indexed and I don't pay good money in an auction for a domain that is not indexed. So maybe I am assuming something I shouldn't
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  • Profile picture of the author Bretlaw
    Thank you all for your answers. I will add some more (legit-looking) content on it and just wait untill it gets indexed (hopefully). It was a good lesson nonetheless, I'm extensively checking every domain that I come across now and I've filtered already about 5 domains out of my to-buy list because they were used for PBN's before.

    I was also wondering if someone encountered those weird Chinese/Japanese/Thai pages that sometimes come up at archive.org. I have had this multiple times and I'm not really sure what to do with it. First I thought it was a regular parked-page that got translated into Chinese/Japanese somehow because of the Archive server location but it could also be some kind of weird super-simple-looking PBN. Most of the domains got snatched right after they were dropped by the original owner but usually the weird looking site only exist for 1 year. Got some images here:

    Image 1: The H1 text translates into: "Click here If you look for Musashi engineering!" - Links translate into: "Musashi Engineering"



    Image 2: Text above the image translate into: "Takeshi Aiko baseball
    Site Map Aiko Takeshi baseball batting technique improvement - short-term progress Teaching - Review How to improve dramatically at-bat in the shortest of Takeshi Aiko" (it's a baseball related domainname, looks like someone actually took the trouble of finding relevant content, PBN maybe?)



    Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Dude if its Chinese sites all my bets are off. They are into some serious spam and stuff. I rarely touch them (yep sometimes)
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  • Profile picture of the author Bretlaw
    Haha I'm running away as fast as I can!! Thanks for the tips guys, really helps a lot! I got two last questions: first one is concerning the backlink profile of the PBN site. It's one of the first things I look at and I often try to analyze whether it looks natural or not. I was wondering if you guys would buy domains (with a nice PA + DA) but with almost all the backlinks coming from directory pages or startpages*.

    * Haven't seen a lot of those on the "American side of the internet" but here, in The Netherlands, they're really quite common and often are an easy way to get backlinks. Example: De Katwijk Startpagina - Alles over Katwijk en omgeving!

    Other question is concerning using multiple languages in the PBN. I maintain a few Dutch websites aswell, would you guys link from your .com (with all English content) to a Dutch .nl page? Or write a random post on your PBN site in another language?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol, you didn't really buy that did you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Bretlaw
      No no, the link in my previous post is an example of the type of backlinks a lot of potential Dutch PBN sites have. For example I find expireddomain.nl and most of the backlinks are coming from websites like that or directory pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author domainingin
        As with all SEO stuff,

        Diversity is the key!

        Few links from directories are fine, if other backlinks are looking natural and authoritative (websites, social networks, comments) and the anchors are well pillowed.

        The problem with most directories, if you go for featured link, it's linking from each page and so your anchors is are the same like on 1k backlinks and that's why it's not good to have directories or previous SEOs owning or optimizing the site.

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        • Profile picture of the author webby0031
          what is all this garbage.

          Mate link the site up to your site, wait a week or two. See if it jumps up the rankings. Why are you wasting time trying to guess wtf
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Nothing wrong with that domain to me.

    Do you think Chinese people look at English language domains, and say to each other. Stay clear of that kind of crap. Those Americans and Indians are into all kinds of crazy ass spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Nothing wrong with that domain to me.

      Do you think Chinese people look at English language domains, and say to each other. Stay clear of that kind of crap. Those Americans and Indians are into all kinds of crazy ass spam.
      They don't say anything because they're behind a Gov firewall. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
        I scrape the web daily for expired domains I come across these Chinese and Japanese sites constantly.

        If you ever see this in archive.org run for the hills. No matter how many PR 6 Edu links it has.

        Sometimes if I even see Japan in the anchor cloud I move on. It's that bad. These guys basically tarnished thousands upon thousands of otherwise useful domains.

        It just goes to show that while PBNs are the current rage, they are nothing new. Finding unmolested domains gets harder by the day.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by twilightofidols View Post

          I scrape the web daily for expired domains I come across these Chinese and Japanese sites constantly.

          If you ever see this in archive.org run for the hills. No matter how many PR 6 Edu links it has.

          Sometimes if I even see Japan in the anchor cloud I move on. It's that bad. These guys basically tarnished thousands upon thousands of otherwise useful domains.

          It just goes to show that while PBNs are the current rage, they are nothing new. Finding unmolested domains gets harder by the day.
          Yeah avoiding 2 of the worlds largest and fastest growing economies like the plague, is a really good business move. Google didn't try muscle their way in there for the Sushi and Egg Rolls.

          Everything in this world is only 3 degrees of separation.

          Strong links are an ever increasing in value commodity these days, and not getting a little inventive is very short sighted imho.
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          • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
            I have run across literally hundreds of these former Japanese/Chinese PBN domains. I wouldn't care if the language was Finnish.

            When you see an expired domain like, Mayberryfiredepartment.com and you see the anchor cloud is 50% Japanese anchors. That's a sign it's been spammed.

            I am not "avoiding" these markets, I am avoiding domains that have been spammed by PBN builders in these countries. If I found a good expired domain it wouldn't matter to me what language it was, but you can see by my example above it's a pretty good bet that's a spammed domain.

            My experience has been 95% of domains I find like the one above has been picked up by spammers. When I translate the content 90% of the time it's spam content. Not to mention almost all of these have the same layout, same font size, almost no images, the footprint is massive.

            I'd be crazy not to avoid these.

            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            Yeah avoiding 2 of the worlds largest and fastest growing economies like the plague, is a really good business move. Google didn't try muscle their way in there for the Sushi and Egg Rolls.

            Everything in this world is only 3 degrees of separation.

            Strong links are an ever increasing in value commodity these days, and not getting a little inventive is very short sighted imho.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by twilightofidols View Post

              I have run across literally hundreds of these former Japanese/Chinese PBN domains. I wouldn't care if the language was Finnish.

              When you see an expired domain like, Mayberryfiredepartment.com and you see the anchor cloud is 50% Japanese anchors. That's a sign it's been spammed.

              I am not "avoiding" these markets, I am avoiding domains that have been spammed by PBN builders in these countries. If I found a good expired domain it wouldn't matter to me what language it was, but you can see by my example above it's a pretty good bet that's a spammed domain.

              My experience has been 95% of domains I find like the one above has been picked up by spammers. When I translate the content 90% of the time it's spam content. Not to mention almost all of these have the same layout, same font size, almost no images, the footprint is massive.

              I'd be crazy not to avoid these.
              That's not what I was referring to, but anyway. You said you scrape in your earlier post to find domains, which confirms to me you don't really know how to find expired domains in the first place.

              Do you know how many domains have been registered over the years? Only a fraction of them have ever been in the hands of spammers.

              It's 65 Trillion pages of content are indexed. How many pages have been indexed. What do you think?
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              • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
                Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                That's not what I was referring to, but anyway. You said you scrape in your earlier post to find domains, which confirms to me you don't really know how to find expired domains in the first place.

                Do you know how many domains have been registered over the years? Only a fraction of them have ever been in the hands of spammers.

                It's 65 Trillion pages of content are indexed. How many pages have been indexed. What do you think?
                Right I actually scrape for industry based link pages, extract OBL and check dead links if they are available for hand registry.

                I'd say out the ones I find 2-5% are worth while, 25% tainted by spammers, and the rest just have no link profile to speak of. This is a guess off the top of my head the real numbers might be far different.

                Interesting seems like you know something I don't when it comes to expired domain hunting. It's great to hear tips from other PBN builders who take on different approaches to finding gems.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                  Originally Posted by twilightofidols View Post

                  Right I actually scrape for industry based link pages, extract OBL and check dead links if they are available for hand registry.

                  I'd say out the ones I find 2-5% are worth while, 25% tainted by spammers, and the rest just have no link profile to speak of. This is a guess off the top of my head the real numbers might be far different.

                  Interesting seems like you know something I don't when it comes to expired domain hunting. It's great to hear tips from other PBN builders who take on different approaches to finding gems.
                  Yeah that method sounds like "Haydens" which is really only a real dodgey method of doing another method. It must feel like fishing blind without any bait.
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                  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
                    Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                    Yeah that method sounds like "Haydens" which is really only a real dodgey method of doing another method. It must feel like fishing blind without any bait.
                    I'm not sure what the other method you are referring to is, but I would be grateful if you could enlighten me.

                    Yeah I use his method with my own twist. I use a few tweaks that have increased my success rate over time. I've found the footprints that you use are key. It's still hit or miss though. You do find gems, but you also come across a ton of domains like the one in the image above.

                    I moved away from expiredomains.net and similar services a while back simply because of the sheer volume of people using these sites.

                    It appears to me the only other options are e-mailing webmasters to buy their sites outright, or paying a few hundred dollars or more for legit domains with strong link profiles.
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    • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Nothing wrong with that domain to me.

      Do you think Chinese people look at English language domains, and say to each other. Stay clear of that kind of crap. Those Americans and Indians are into all kinds of crazy ass spam.
      Agreed, as long as the metrics look good I don't shy away from these domains. That being said they make up about 5 to 10% of my portfolio.
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      • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
        If they were former foreign PBN sites I avoid them just like former English PBN sites. This is definitely where Google translate comes in handy.

        I must be looking in the wrong places, because out of 1,000s of domains I've checked I almost never come across sites with foreign language content and a lot of English anchors that hasn't been touched by spammers.

        Originally Posted by inetguru_987 View Post

        Agreed, as long as the metrics look good I don't shy away from these domains. That being said they make up about 5 to 10% of my portfolio.
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  • Profile picture of the author jkd000
    Ik vaak vind zo NL domeinen met uberhoog DA/PA maar alle backlinks komen van 1-2 domeinen. Zo als je heb gezien.

    De eerste keer heb ik een mooi gezien, ik kocht die en een nieuwe PBN site gecreerd....MAAR hij werkt toch niet! Geen echt linkjuice en geen effect.

    Mijn advies...let op...er zijn nog veel goede .nl domeinen in de wildernis!
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