The END of Angela's Backlinks?

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I am a subscriber of Angela's backlinks-packet. I was about to register at The Netscape Unofficial FAQ when I read this! I am afraid that this is the beginning of the end for this type of link-building. What do you Warriors think?

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Uh-oh. You think the party's over?
    • Profile picture of the author Okane
      Oh, great news... then all I have to do is place my competitors backlinks in that forum and they will be banned...
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  • Profile picture of the author SaSeoPete
    Geez that's crazy they even mention the backlink package.
  • Profile picture of the author yonaswedo
    Is this a case of hoax? I hope Angela dive a clarification on this.
  • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
    This is a case of one site having a problem with people posting links, most likely because of the fact that the backlink packets are being given away for free on a number of forums and it's led to people spamming these sites like there's no tomorrow. Angela has already stopped including sites like this in her backlink packets (forums where you have to make a post to include your link, and blogs where you have to leave a comment to include your link). Considering that you get 30 sites a month, and I've gone through 3 month's packets (that's 90 sites) and have only found this one site publicly stating that they have a problem with people leaving links there, personally I'd say it's far from "the end" of Angela's backlinks.. lol

    edit: It's also worth pointing out that the same post on the same forum says "If you signed up and paid for CLICKBANK you may have been ripped off big time, we believe it to be a SCAM!!!!!" (do they even know what Clickbank is?), has ezinearticles and goarticles (oh, and hubpages too) on their "blacklist" and recommends buying paid links (from their "link manager firm" of course) even though everyone knows what Google thinks about paid links that aren't nofollow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimerson Farveez
    oh my god, Me too checked it, It is dangerous think, If we got banned then there is nothing there at all. However, I don't think all the sites are like that, may be this one only, I am getting some good results from her package....... however, If we would have seen these kind of notices from a site, we have to OMIT that site, that is it..... we cannot put our blame on her, she had helped us to get good links.......
    Think like this, the guys not only following her package but there are millions of guys all over the world, then they too can check this and wanna add links, on that case what those forums guys will do, Ok whatever, if they want to STOP this, they just have to remove that option over there in their forum....... have to disable it...... Very simple in their views and our views.....(In their views, they have to disable it, otherwise, in our views we have to omit it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mickm
    Only one non-responsive site out of 90 isn't bad going by any means. That's an amazing success rate.

    I don't think it's the end of this type of backlinking, it's just an over protective site. Links are what make the web.. the web.
  • Profile picture of the author stevenh512
    BTW I absolutely love how the admin at that forum sets such a great example for the rest of his community by violating the same terms of service he expects everyone else to follow (his sig links to a commercial site, by his own definition it's a "spam link").
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    • Profile picture of the author ryandales2000
      Personally, I never thought I was ripped off by Angela. Far from it. I maintained that her WSO is still the best WSO I ever bought from this forum. Especially considering the price of her WSO.

      I was just thinking of what will happen if many webmasters will do the same as I experienced INCREASING number of warnings from webmasters. The first time I tried this backlinking method it was sooo easy...Encountered no warnings. But now there are already many webmasters who are wary of people doing this type of links on their websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author CTABUK
    I know linking is a pain in the butt, I wrote this here in Warriors a few weeks back -
    'I am not certain what Angela's link system is, but let's suppose it's a linking system that aims at the market in general. Now, if, 200 people sign up for that linking programme and she begins to link those sites, then Google will suddenly see 200 sites all with the basic link format. The bot's will say 'blackhat - possibly and down rate sites using the system'.

    Now, this is not me trying to be clever, I try to help out - so the next time you see a multi link system, think carefully before beginning.
    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Whats the magic number? 200?

      There are 1,000's of sites with super high PR giving out 200 links per minute, and google hasnt "downgraded" their link value.

      Go Articles / EZA / CNN / The BBC / Google / come to mind.

      I think this theory is just a guess, based upon nothing more than an opinion.

      Originally Posted by CTABUK View Post

      I know linking is a pain in the butt, I wrote this here in Warriors a few weeks back -
      'I am not certain what Angela's link system is, but let's suppose it's a linking system that aims at the market in general. Now, if, 200 people sign up for that linking programme and she begins to link those sites, then Google will suddenly see 200 sites all with the basic link format. The bot's will say 'blackhat - possibly and down rate sites using the system'.

      Now, this is not me trying to be clever, I try to help out - so the next time you see a multi link system, think carefully before beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author dddougal
    This is just a pointless waste of time worrying about it, so one site is whining, let them whine, Just submit to the other sites and forget all about them.
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  • Profile picture of the author CTABUK
    If a site gets seen and SERP'd within 8 hours then it will be down to new content. It will stay high in serp for maybe one or two days, perhaps longer, then drop back.
    PR has ne bearing on SERP, and I guess someone is going to say, how do you know. I helped set this section up in Warriors and moderated on SEO here. Many people know me.
    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Lets be clear ...

      1. No one is so far is saying that a sites PR will increase its SERP.

      2. What I was eluding to earlier is ... since you discussed a links "value" or devalued value ... you must believe certain links have different value levels - else how can it be devalued? Or is it a Zero value and then some other value that is set - like a switch - On/off .... value/no value ....

      Opining that google has some arbitrary algo that looks to see if a site starts pumping out backlinks ... and then associates that site now with a "lower" or devalued value - seems ... arbitrary, and like guesswork.

      I'll stay focused on this issue for now.

      Originally Posted by CTABUK View Post

      If a site gets seen and SERP'd within 8 hours then it will be down to new content. It will stay high in serp for maybe one or two days, perhaps longer, then drop back.
      PR has ne bearing on SERP, and I guess someone is going to say, how do you know. I helped set this section up in Warriors and moderated on SEO here. Many people know me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    The Netscape Unofficial FAQ is upset! Oh no, woe is me.

    Who really cares?
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  • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
    LOL, I've actually had people write to me because they were worried because this site "blacklisted" them. If getting someone removed from Google was as simple as creating a "blacklist" on your site and adding them to it, competitors would be "blacklisting" each other all over the Internet. Can you imagine the mayhem this would cause?
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  • Profile picture of the author boris s
    there's no way i can say for sure it's linked to using angela's backlinks, But i've used the may and june packages and after an initial steep rise in the rankings, google has just killed my site in the rankings of late (lots of pages are gone). :/
    Again, can't say it's related to me linking on these high pr sites but it's the only new component i've added to my seo in the past 3-4 months
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    Check the supplemental index, boris.
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    • Profile picture of the author boris s
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Check the supplemental index, boris.
      I tried with a "cade" i found on seobook but i get exactly the same results as if i just type "site:www . domain . com"
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Hi Boris,

    If you go and add a load of links suddenly to a site that doesn't have many links then Google will get suspicious and start penalising you.

    The sad thing is so many things like this get ruined by people who just hammer them with no patience or regard.

    This is not the end of Angela's backlinks at all. What nonsense!
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      If you go and add a load of links suddenly to a site that doesn't have many links then Google will get suspicious and start penalising you.
      I disagree completely. In fact, such an idea really doesn't make sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      If you go and add a load of links suddenly to a site that doesn't have many links then Google will get suspicious and start penalising you.
      Any data to back this Steve?

      Cause what you're saying is: I can penalize any site I WANT placing lots of links in 3 days.

      You're not a complete newbie so, i'll wait for your reply before jumping on the "man, you're nuts" wagon
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Let me just make one general comment...

    Let's suppose you are a google employee doing a manual review of a website, and you pull up a list of clickable urls of all the links pointing to the website. What will you find?

    Will you find that there is a large volume of quality links?
    Or will you find something that seems odd or of low quality?

    I don't know much about Angela's Backlinks, though I would probably be willing to try it and give my review, so feel free to PM me Angela, and also Angela, it might be cool to think about including some one-way directory links in your services if you haven't already. We have consistently found that backlinks from directories, even small ones, can help considerably in building rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Expert
      I saw this exact warning message on that site when I was making my second round of backlinks for a site I am promoting.

      Didn't phase me too much, I just didn't drop the link on that site anymore. If they have made it their own personal war to keep people from posting links on their site in any way/shape/form then let them have it.

      I remember Angela saying that she has sites for packets already stacked for a few months...so there will be more where that came from. If you get Paul's links as well then I don't think you'll have anything to worry about.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    The supplemental index was merged into the regular index a long time ago, so those codes / operators don't work anymore.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    It's gone - it was merged in - just like when I merge my tomatoes with lime juice making salsa - it's not feasible to get back the original data. There are ways to guess if it is there, but the concept is not really viable anymore, so I wouldn't be trying to figure it out as there isn't much of value to be gained.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Hi Stephen,

    The supplemental index was merged into the main index over a year ago. I think there is something about it on Stompernet. However Stephen if you can point us to an operator to get to it, please let us know as that would help.

    I don't seem to be the only one who think's the supplemental has popped it's cloggs:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post891769

    As for excessive back linking it can trigger the sandbox - I would have thought most people know that.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I'm just giving mine.
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      As for excessive back linking it can trigger the sandbox - I would have thought most people know that.
      There's a lot of mis-information and bad assumptions among most people.
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    • Profile picture of the author sagasu44
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      Hi Stephen,

      The supplemental index was merged into the main index over a year ago. I think there is something about it on Stompernet. However Stephen if you can point us to an operator to get to it, please let us know as that would help.

      I don't seem to be the only one who think's the supplemental has popped it's cloggs:.
      I think this actually came from the horses mouth in the interview between Matt Cutts and Stephan Spencer which Angela has a link to in her monthly packages. Though I can't remember if Stephan said it had indeed popped it's clogs or was heading that way. You might want to have a listen if you haven't already.
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    Hi Steven you seem a little short in your answers? A little more than one liners would be helpful as if you know something about links it would be useful to let the rest of us know if that's ok? This is an issue a lot of people struggle with.

    . I've triggered the sandbox in the past by two things - too much content too fast and too many links in too short a space of time. At least that's how I've seen it, what triggers it in your experience?

    No one wants to get stuck in the sandbox so the more we can do to avoid it the better.
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      Hi Steven you seem a little short in your answers? A little more than one liners would be helpful as if you know something about links it would be useful to let the rest of us know if that's ok? This is an issue a lot of people struggle with.
      Google removed the LABEL from supplemental results, but that doesn't mean that they don't continue to segregate pages within sites. It may be referred to in different terms, but the fact is that while the distinction has narrowed, there is still a distinction.

      In July of 2007 Google announced that the supplemental index went, in their words, "mainstream". The "mainstreaming" of the supplemental index was in removing the public label, but not the underlying process.
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