OFFICIAL: Panda 4.0 is being rolled out today!

by sweezeter 72 replies
Hold on to your horses, Matt Cutts just tweeted that they are releasing Panda 4.0 today.

Have you seen any ranking changes on your websites?
#search engine optimization #google #official #panda #rolled #today #update
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    oh man here we go.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    I am seeing some very unusual movements. I keep an eye on a few niches I work in and a few sites of mine are showing extremely unusual serp movements. Thankfully, the movement is on my side so far, so I am seeing lots of improved ranking.

    I hope thats the case for most of you guys as well.
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      lets ready for rumble.Preparing moved to a new site.Lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
    I wonder if any of the most recent "thin-content" penalties have anything to do with this Panda rollout?

    Maybe they were internally testing the algorithm, and in doing so identified these low/thin content sites with the new algo before officially rolling it out?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dentist
    Our rankings are stable. Nothing changed much.
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    • Profile picture of the author uncletobys
      Will this update help small businesses/websites as mentioned by Matt Cutts in SMX 2014 in March?

      Google Panda 4.0 Update

      Waiting for complete outcomes. Wishing best of luck to small businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
    Is there anything we should be afraid of? Knowing that we've been following accordingly to Google?
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    • Profile picture of the author archer0830
      I have an affiliate heavy site and am now seeing better traffic than I did before the original panda / penguin updates. Hoping this trend continues!
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Already thought it was Panda related, like I wrote in one of my other posts.

        The focus mostly seems to be on "above the fold".

        Whether it are affiliate links or duplicate content in the shape of read more snippets.

        Not much difference right now, I think it's rolled out over multiple days (the 10 day row) like usual as I've seen a lot of changes in the past 10 days, today was probably the last day of the rollout and thus they announced it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


          The focus mostly seems to be on "above the fold".

          Unrelated to this update I have had several potential clients who claim to be having a tough time of ranking and in a good amount of the times they have some very large headers.

          Above the fold is supposed to target ads but I seriously doubt google is good at distinguishing.

          In other words web design matter more now a days in regard to that issue
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Unrelated to this update I have had several potential clients who claim to be having a tough time of ranking and in a good amount of the times they have some very large headers.

            Above the fold is supposed to target ads but I seriously doubt google is good at distinguishing.

            In other words web design matter more now a days in regard to that issue
            Didn't the Adsense team advice to put ads above the fold?

            But that's pretty old, and now they are even more strict.

            There's some logic to it though, Google attempts to force us to provide value as if we don't provide value people won't read the whole article but click the back button before they've reached the affiliate links at the bottom.

            So it's like they offer no choice, unless you pull some tricks like accordion scripts, cloaking or smart coding
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  • Profile picture of the author ppcmanager
    Still too early to say what the changes would be
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  • Profile picture of the author jaintechnosoft
    Should wait for another two days to check SERP's fluctuation and stability.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henney
    yeah, lets wait and see when the dust comes down
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  • Profile picture of the author SEnukeBlasters
    Is it Panda 4.0 OR Penguin 4.0?
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  • Profile picture of the author RDB85
    I think it will take a few days. I have seen some fluctuation in local results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sophia41
    Got the news about couple of hours ago. Hoping to see my site moving upwords Fingers Crossed
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    Not much change on rankings my end but the UK seems to always be delayed for this updates. Lets wait and see!
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  • Profile picture of the author nikoll
    For other languages ​​update reaches the end of the week I think so.
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    We are seeing a 40% increase in traffic in the financial niche - resulting in about 300-350 more unique visitors per day. HOPE when Panda 4.0 has finished rolling out we're still getting these numbers. Like a $2000+ a month raise.
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    • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

      We are seeing a 40% increase in traffic in the financial niche - resulting in about 300-350 more unique visitors per day. HOPE when Panda 4.0 has finished rolling out we're still getting these numbers. Like a $2000+ a month raise.
      300-350 more unique visitors a day nets you $2000+ per month? I assume that isn't adsense income then?
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      • Profile picture of the author TZ
        Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

        300-350 more unique visitors a day nets you $2000+ per month? I assume that isn't adsense income then?
        Like I said - all finance. One merchant pays direct $2.75 a click. One merchant pays $28 an email submit, $41 a phone call, $300 a sale. Lawsuit loans pays $100 a phone call over 1.5 minutes, car loans $9 one page submit. Installment loans $80-$115 per conversion, etc, etc.

        Lost our Adsense account 2 years ago, and went into full out panic mode. After a month of chasing down good CPAs, testing, calling merchants direct, etc. we ended up making more than with Adsense.

        Adsense IS EASY though. With CPA you have to keep track and you are changing pages when campaigns are dropped or discontinued. More work but your pages are refreshed often, which is likely a good thing for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author rahmanpaidar
    According to Google, Panda 4, was not the only update. There was also a new update
    and refresh for the "Pay Day Loan" algorithm that was also released at the same time
    of Panda Update.
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    • Profile picture of the author charliesianipar
      Thanks to @mattcutts
      One of my Website get better on SERP and increased visitors
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    I'm happy to say that a large site I've been advising on Panda recovery has had a massive jump in the SERPs from this update.

    I wish I could find more clients who are prepared to make the investment needed to recover a large website - the fees are good
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  • Profile picture of the author Ledux
    My search engine traffic doubled yesterday, I guess that was, because of the update, but today it seems to be at the usual level. Will see what will happen later.
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  • Profile picture of the author BIBI15
    how long will this update last ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by BIBI15 View Post

      how long will this update last ??
      Takes usually 72 hours to start settling out but theres also regional considerations. If you are in europe, U, Asia could be different timing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    Ohh god... Google using the fear tactics again
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    • Profile picture of the author kevinsantokie
      It's rolled out.. But It will take some time in changes in rankings according to algorithm. Only after that, we can make sure what things needs to be take care.
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  • Profile picture of the author brett687
    We have actually noticed a positive increase. I had a small eCommerce client that has seen a decent uplift in rankings and an average of 20% increase in traffic from organic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Varz
      One of my sites got hit pretty hard. I'm having a difficult time trying to figure out why though.

      It's an old site (online since 1999) that is definitely an authority in its niche. It's not a spam niche. I haven't done any SEO on this site.

      The pages that haven't changed much since 1999 still rank #1 for their search terms. 30 pages that I added about 5 years ago that have ranked #1 for their search terms for years have all dropped 4-7 spots in the SERPS. The pages all have decent content too. There is no advertising above the fold on these pages.

      My only ideas are that:

      - the header of each of these pages is pretty big
      - maybe the sites that link to these pages have thin content and got hit which resulted in their links to my site being of less value

      I'm going to try a redesign of the header to see if that has any impact.

      In the meantime I'll just laugh at that animated pic in the previous post.
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    • Profile picture of the author TZ
      Originally Posted by recep View Post

      Thanks for this - still laughing!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Cruzalyce
        Originally Posted by TZ View Post

        Thanks for this - still laughing!!!
        It's really funny.... I think that's what Panda has done to some of us.... Lolzz Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author AaronHarris
    Just a quick survey, does anyone here already been affected by the recent Google Panda update?
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  • Profile picture of the author atiputera
    Google panda 4.0 update totally not affect at my site ranking. May be will have google page rank update on june 2014.
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  • Profile picture of the author tofrar
    I did loose some ranking but same time I was resubmitting sitemap and some other changes and I think my website is dancing b.c of that. Also I notice that many of my keyword has lot lot more of ads showing up on google search and that can affect click to my website also.
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  • Profile picture of the author TZ
    Hilarious reading the forums this past two days. Some companies spending crazy money trying to recover from past Panda updates, and now claiming it was all their time, work, and investment that did the trick. Not likely.

    All of our sites that were hit by the first Pandas recovered by 30-40% on Panda 4.0 and we did NOTHING as far as making ANY changes to the sites. You hear companies talking about all of their massive recovery work having exactly the same recovery rate as those who did nothing.

    When Google hit us with Panda I refused to change a damn thing on our sites because the content was excellent. Bing and Yahoo still liked the sites so we just ignored Google`s bullshit and created new domains to make up for loss of traffic.

    Only thing Google taught me with Panda and Penguin is that crap sites can rank quite well, and high quality sites can get buried by the crap. As a result of this update our old quality sites have had a nice recovery, and the new crap sites are doing quite well now as well. All Google did was make a lot of smart and experienced site builders and developers take the time to create massive auto-generated web sites to fill their index with more weak pages.

    So what have they gained?
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    • Profile picture of the author jxam69
      Originally Posted by TZ View Post

      Hilarious reading the forums this past two days. Some companies spending crazy money trying to recover from past Panda updates, and now claiming it was all their time, work, and investment that did the trick. Not likely.

      All of our sites that were hit by the first Pandas recovered by 30-40% on Panda 4.0 and we did NOTHING as far as making ANY changes to the sites. You hear companies talking about all of their massive recovery work having exactly the same recovery rate as those who did nothing.
      I have data which disagrees with your statement that the work put into recovery is "not likely" to have helped.

      Admittedly I have a small sample size that I'm working with - 9 sites heavily impacted by Panda 1.0.

      Of these sites some have so far shown no improvement, and others have had different levels of improvement.

      When we look at the levels of improvement for each site they seem to be roughly in proportion to the amount of recovery work over the last 3 years - the sites with the least amount of work had no or little measurable improvement and the sites with the most work show the highest level of improvement. (We deliberately did no work on a couple of sites to use them for reference purposes)

      These were all heavily impacted sites - it's possible that other sites like yours had improvements without doing any work because perhaps they were closer to the 'threshold' of gaining improvement and benefited from the bar being lowered by a softer, gentler Panda.

      I should also point out that I'm still seeing some Panda like recovery today so the roll-out, or it's interplay with other algorithms hasn't entirely finished yet - so maybe the results will look different in the days and weeks to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott016
    Panda was rolled some days ago and there is not a drastic change with many websites as of now. Only sites with low quality content got hit. Even payday loan algorithm was rolled out effecting sites with spammy backlink structure.
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    On the 21st, our traffic was spiking up, but then slipped on the 22nd, 23rd, and up until now. Our metrics are lower compared to what they were before the update. But it's not that extremely low, I guess it's the Google dance. I read in another forum that it can take 4-5 days for everything to settle. I'll see what happens this week.
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  • Profile picture of the author galdong
    No effect to my site till date. But dont know whats going to be next
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  • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
    Press release websites like PRNewswire and PRWeb and their affiliates are apparently smashed:
    Did Google Panda 4.0 Go After Press Release Sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author PrincyPrince
    Li'l Bit Change In My Blog's Traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author JobElance
    Today i have seen a big fall on my site's ranking. 1st page 6th position to directly 2nd page 8th position for one of my money keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Only a couple of the websites we handle seem to have been hit by this, but neither had large headers or any ads above the fold.
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  • Profile picture of the author artemis360
    Well that sux! I just bought a site for $2.3k on Flippa... hope it sticks or gets bumped.
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    • Profile picture of the author thejimy
      My site does not depend on Panda 4.0, it depends on 90% of revisiting users!!
      However, I seem to receive an increased amount of search engine visitors this recent week... if that is however related to Panda is unknown. It's more likely a result of on-site optimization, especially increasing speed as much, that the site would rank on the fastests of the web!
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  • Profile picture of the author LearningChinese
    Here we go again. It's amazing the amount of people that live in fear of Google. If it gets any worse I might go back to school and get that PhD. I honestly think someone should study the amount of man hours caused to be lost through all of this. How many legitimate business owners spent a disproportionate number of hours simply messing with this stuff over the years? How many legitimate business owners have lost everything because of this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Flavinoid
    For the first time since all the Panda/Penguin roller coaster opened, my money site has actually gained ground. I'm probably back to Panda 2.0 levels. Still a long way from where it was three years ago, at the top of its keyword. I gave up trying to catch up to the Panda changes long ago. I have good content and honest SEO, dagnabit, and I'm not dancing to google's tune.
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  • Profile picture of the author jrod11
    One of my sites looked like it got hit. What was interesting though is that it is slowly coming back up. Not making huge jumps up, but each day the rankings are going up one or two positions.
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  • Profile picture of the author repthareal
    That panda gif is hilarious. Google isn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author iramsweet
    my kws get punished google put them from 1 page to 3rd page what should i have to do for getting the kws on top again....
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  • Profile picture of the author SmithTim
    Google told us “Panda 4.0 affects different languages to different degrees.” Adding that “in English for example, the impact is ~7.5% of queries that are affected to a degree that a regular user might notice.”
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  • Profile picture of the author Pritom
    Panda 4.0 has killed the tiny affiliate websites forever and link building is being much tougher then ever..
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  • Profile picture of the author aivil
    I think Google wants to be similar to the nature and Green is their favorite color

    As far as you stay honest in your work, no one can penalize you. At the end of it, only the good ones servive it!

    But, sometimes we all try to manipulate the game in the race of becoming smart and speedy.
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  • Profile picture of the author aceriker
    Yes it is rolled up we does not get affect in this update ,always try to use unique and strong content for your promotional activities content is the king for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Muhammad Umar
    Most of the sites having too many pages on it but with low quality of content, Google no planned to kick out all those low quality of sites from searched results. I think it would be a crackdown against low quality large websites like Facebook and large Classified sites like Olx.
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  • No matter what the update is, when you are updating your site with good, high quality and unique content, you do not need to worry about anything. All updates from Google are about 'quality'.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by affilorama-portal View Post

      No matter what the update is, when you are updating your site with good, high quality and unique content, you do not need to worry about anything. All updates from Google are about 'quality'.
      Depends on what you classify as quality, it's still just a fixed set of rules you have to comply with, really not that hard once you figured it out and cause of that it can be gamed with utter garbage quality sites as long as the parameters match.
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  • I looked at the top Press Release sites and checked if they lost any SEO visibility on a large scale since Panda 4.0 hit, and PRWeb.com, PR Newswire, BusinessWire and PRLog all seem to have lost significant rankings in Google.
    Also I have found the eBay is also hit by Google Panda 4.0 due to link spamming and some other seo issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Darragh
    Originally Posted by sweezeter View Post

    Have you seen any ranking changes on your websites?
    Yes, but not only since today, rather since about two weeks I have experienced "Google dances" regarding sites the SEO interests of which I am looking after. Since these engage in organic link building (strictly whihte hat) and assuming, their link growth metrics are faster than overall Internet growth, they should, if anything, risen or "treaded water", however, they bounced back and forth since about a fortnight. As far as I understood, that has been a sign of a pending "full-fledged" algo release and since Panda 4.0 was expected, I see this a normal. All I wonder is when will the dust settle again.
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  • Profile picture of the author trazismene
    Hello everyone! I have one question. Recently, my website fall from 800 visitiors per day to around 50 visitors per day. First sharp fall was on 5th of june and Panda was launched in may. How can I know if Panda is responsible for my website fall or penalisation? Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    Originally Posted by vn4m79 View Post

    Only a couple of the websites we handle seem to have been hit by this, but neither had large headers or any ads above the fold.
    Those aren't the only issues the Panda algorithm tries to assess - you might want to read this which was written by Amit Singhal for guidance on their quality algorithms: Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: More guidance on building high-quality sites
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  • It seems the advantage gained by this update is gone and traffic is back to pre-Panda levels.
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    • Profile picture of the author andreint
      Originally Posted by Toyota Hilux Dealer View Post

      It seems the advantage gained by this update is gone and traffic is back to pre-Panda levels.
      i second that. All traffic is basically the same as before this update
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnectVT
    Panda, Penguin or even Godzilla (:p) cannot hurt anyone if you create a website with quality content and build healthy relations on social networks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Niche Blogger
      So what exactly was this update about? I read that it mainly hit press release sites, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.

      I haven't noticed any significant changes to the ranking of my own sites. Slight increase maybe in the last week or two, but they've been steadily increasing for months so I'm not sure that I can attribute that to the update.
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  • Profile picture of the author PayJayNow
    One of our client's sites went from 12 first position Google to 0 first positions and 12 2nd positions. AVVO, an aggregator site, is number one for all the geo keywords now. How can we overcome this?
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