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Need advice regarding Domains for PBN

by abhikala1
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I am trying my luck with PBN these days, so far everything is going fine with my PBN. Now i am thinking to add more domains to it. Today i found a few domains with DA- 11, 14, 17, PA-25,27,31, MozTrust-3.5+ also TF is 18+. All three domains are clean and spam free and had a few links from authority news sites and gov site. Backlink profile is quite strong. Still i am having little confusion about buying them because their DA seems low. So far i have used the domains with DA 25+.
Someone please advice me here if i should get these domains or not, because i see really powerful and authority contextual links for these domains.
#advice #domains #pbn
  • Profile picture of the author domainingin
    Sorry, but some metrics are really pretty low.

    Metrics to look for
    According to Authority Website Income
    Metric 1 - Page Authority (30+)
    Metric #2 - Trust Flow from MajesticSEO.com (15+)
    Metric #3 - Citation Flow from MajesticSEO.com (15+)

    According to www.nohatseo.com
    MOZ
    DA20 + is worth developing
    AHREFS
    Tag cloud (anything with over 50% is spam)
    Top pages page (Top pages is just the easiest way to check which pages require redirects /wp-installs, whether you need to create sub-domains, or whether there was a lot of sub-domain spam.)
    ARCHIVE.ORG
    According to seotraffichacks.com
    DA > 20, PA > 20.
    Check Backlink Profile
    To clarify...
    -Minimum 10 Backlinks
    - Quality and relevance of back links
    - Exact match keyword density below 15%
    - Check for Porn, Pharmaceuticals, Poker
    - Backlinks do follow and 'nofollow' Ratio
    - Foreign language anchor text
    - Ensure money keywords do not exceed 30% of anchor text total.
    Review website in Archive.org (repurposed or not)
    Number of Drops
    Whois Lookup, Domain Availability & IP Search - DomainTools
    Max 2, better max. 1 as each drop is bad
    Reference
    - SEO Traffic Hacks by Terry Kyle
    Ultimate Expired Domain Guide
    How to Check for Spam | NoHatSeo.com - Keyword Research, Link Building and other SEO goodness.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by abhikala1 View Post

    I am trying my luck with PBN these days, so far everything is going fine with my PBN. Now i am thinking to add more domains to it. Today i found a few domains with DA- 11, 14, 17, PA-25,27,31, MozTrust-3.5+ also TF is 18+. All three domains are clean and spam free and had a few links from authority news sites and gov site. Backlink profile is quite strong.
    provided by that you mean strong links showing PR or other metrics NOTHING ELSE MATTERS SQUAT.

    Metrics are for filtering out domains you are looking at. Once you already have sites you are looking at then check the backlinks and make then decide

    NO SINGLE METRIC SHOULD MAKE YOU DECIDE ON A DOMAIN

    It should always be the backlinks

    majestic has a way of not reflecting lost links and Moz has a way of missing links and being gamed by spam. PR has a way of seldom being updated. See the problem? None by themselves are solid at this time

    In your case the higher trustflow would garner a look if it were me and If I saw high authority links on low OBL pagees then its a buy. ESPECIALLY if Moz is not showing them.

    For filtering the domains I am going to check backlinks for I'll use DA along with Trustflow. If I come across a situation where the TF is really high to the DA then I'll still take a look.

    Again metrics are just for determining the domains I want to check backlinks for NOT making any decision on whether to buy - you do that by the backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author abhikala1
      I was waiting for your response.
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      provided by that you mean strong links showing PR or other metrics NOTHING ELSE MATTERS SQUAT.
      The backlinks i am talking about are from high authority sites With page PR3+ and PA 60+, they are highly relevant and with very low obl <10


      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      It should always be the backlinks
      In your case the higher trustflow would garner a look if it were me and If I saw high authority links on low OBL pagees then its a buy. ESPECIALLY if Moz is not showing them.
      That's why i am tempted to buy these, one has TF 26 but the DA is only 11, it also has 4 backlink from high authority news sites, like bbc, nytimes and gov sites with obl<10. But total number of backlink for this domain is <30.

      Should i go with it?


      Thanks for your advice.
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      • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
        If there are <30 links but they are from pr3+ & pa60+ pages... How is this even a question? Do we actually have to buy the domain for you?

        I'm of course making the absolutely insane and gross assumption that the links look like they will stick and make up the majority of those 30 links.
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        • Profile picture of the author abhikala1
          Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

          If there are <30 links but they are from pr3+ & pa60+ pages... How is this even a question? Do we actually have to buy the domain for you?

          I'm of course making the absolutely insane and gross assumption that the links look like they will stick and make up the majority of those 30 links.
          After reading Mike's post i bought the domains, there wasn't more to think about after reading that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by abhikala1 View Post

            After reading Mike's post i bought the domains, there wasn't more to think about after reading that.
            Just to be clear. I gave you no buy recommendation. I couldn't do that without seeing the links. Its all up to your own backlink analysis and if you were accurate and didn't pay too much you are probably good.
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            • Profile picture of the author abhikala1
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Just to be clear. I gave you no buy recommendation. I couldn't do that without seeing the links. Its all up to your own backlink analysis and if you were accurate and didn't pay too much you are probably good.
              That was the dropped domain, i paid only $10 for that, and yes i checked all the backlinks manually since it was not much. They all are more than 4 years old and contextual so i think they will stick there for long.
              Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author jkd000
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      provided by that you mean strong links showing PR or other metrics NOTHING ELSE MATTERS SQUAT.

      Metrics are for filtering out domains you are looking at. Once you already have sites you are looking at then check the backlinks and make then decide

      NO SINGLE METRIC SHOULD MAKE YOU DECIDE ON A DOMAIN

      It should always be the backlinks

      majestic has a way of not reflecting lost links and Moz has a way of missing links and being gamed by spam. PR has a way of seldom being updated. See the problem? None by themselves are solid at this time

      In your case the higher trustflow would garner a look if it were me and If I saw high authority links on low OBL pagees then its a buy. ESPECIALLY if Moz is not showing them.

      For filtering the domains I am going to check backlinks for I'll use DA along with Trustflow. If I come across a situation where the TF is really high to the DA then I'll still take a look.

      Again metrics are just for determining the domains I want to check backlinks for NOT making any decision on whether to buy - you do that by the backlinks.
      Good post.

      I'll add that in my experience TF/CF is trash and completely worthless. The more spammed out the domains are, then the higher the CF/TF at least from what i've seen....

      ....And my software goes through about 2-3 million domains per week.

      My formula is something like this:
      - Check DA (if 15+ then worth a look....particularly for older domains)
      - Check anchor text ratio (for evidence of spam/seo)
      - Check backlinks referring pages and domains (making sure relevant and authoritative)

      If i get a "yes" for each of those, then i buy and build.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by jkd000 View Post

        Good post.

        I'll add that in my experience TF/CF is trash and completely worthless. The more spammed out the domains are, then the higher the CF/TF at least from what i've seen...
        sorry can't agree. I've found trustflow to be decent. Cf is about quantity and TF counts only certain links so CF is easily gamed bit TF less so. I actually use a belnd of DA and TF and find it works out reasonably well - again nothng beats looking at the backlinks

        And my software goes through about 2-3 million domains per week.

        My formula is something like this:
        - Check DA (if 15+ then worth a look....particularly for older domains)
        - Check anchor text ratio (for evidence of spam/seo)
        - Check backlinks referring pages and domains (making sure relevant and authoritative)
        I'm trying to be a Milder gentler Mike (lol) but when somebody tells me their software goes through checking 2-3 million domains a week my smoke detector goes off. Thats like 12 million APi calls per month even if just checking DA. Plus you can't even find that many domains consistently to check
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        • Profile picture of the author abhikala1
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          sorry can't agree. I've found trustflow to be decent. Cf is about quantity and TF counts only certain links so CF is easily gamed bit TF less so. I actually use a belnd of DA and TF and find it works out reasonably well - again nothng beats looking at the backlinks
          Although i am certainly not an expert, but i have always weight TF factor than other metrics. When i see domain with TF 15+ i take a look at it. and most of the cases i find it genuine. Its just my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    Stop being obsessed with PR/DA, they say nothing about the SEO value which can only come from the backlinks!
    Read: Don’t judge a domain by its PR | T.B. Blog
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  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
    I use PA/DA, MOzTrust, and Trust Flow as filters to determine whether or not I want to investigate a domain further for purchase.

    After that I buy domains solely based on the quality of the links the domain has, and the archive.org history. If I see really old links on pages with good metrics and toolbar PR from relevant pages I will usually snatch it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jkd000
    Hey Mike, can't say for sure on the details of TF/CF. After i started noticing the correlation between high numbers there and spammy backlinks, i just threw it out as a metric and took it out of my tools (plus stopped paying the $400/month to Majestic lol).

    I'm sure there's value there like you say, but it fails the 80/20 for me personally.

    The 2-3 mil is on total sites crawled (for various purposes - not just domain mining). So these aren't all available domains where i make api calls.

    Should've been more specific

    I'm actually working to double and then triple that number over the next few weeks.

    The number of available domains I find and make Moz calls on in a week is in the 10-15,000 range if I leave it "on" for all 7 days, which i rarely do.

    Also working to double-triple that number as well
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