How does someone rank a 1-2 page review site?I saw a website thats making Big $$$ Ranking #1

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Hi there,

I just wanted to know if someone could help me with something i am trying to figure out.hehe

I saw a guy selling a website(review website) This simple 1-2 page site was ranking at no 1 for a few good keywords.The sales he was getting from this site was incredible! He had one more page "behind" the homepage with like 5 articles on it and one or two banners.he had a smal link on the bottom of the home page going to the article page.

He was making in commision of $7000+ per month (I got a sneak peak at the monthly commision report) all organic traffic.
He also had the benifits of this health product on it, and a couple of banners.
But the website looked so plain, so maybe his main method was to get people to go straight to the main site and buy.

But what i wanted to know is , how he managed to get such a plain 1-2 page site to #1 for 5 high traffic keyword plus. hehe
#$$$ #big #making #page #rank #ranking #review #sitei #website
  • Profile picture of the author arpitagarwal82
    Powerful link building. Check the backlink profile on ahrefs and let us know.
    Although ahrefs data is not 100% accurate. There are ways to block ahrefs to index the backlink profile.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
      This is his websites info

      Referring Pages 61,419
      Total Backlinks 61,420

      Referring IPs 3,436
      Referring Subnets 2,765
      Referring Domains 3,661
      Governmental 21
      Educational 75
      .com 1,656
      .net 261
      .org 156

      Backlink Types:
      text 61,410
      dofollow 56,252
      nofollow 5,158
      sitewide 283
      not sitewide 61,137
      redirect 10
      image 7,655
      form 0
      Governmental 302
      Educational 892

      Regards

      Marco
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    He has probably been online for years now and have some things that are working for him.

    Just because things are going his way, does not mean that it will work for you too. There is just way too much competition in my view.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Links from high pr blog networks and then spammed links to dilute the anchor text.

    Maybe some redirects as well, or the site could be built on a high pr expired domain, that can help as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
      Originally Posted by Slin View Post

      Links from high pr blog networks and then spammed links to dilute the anchor text.

      Maybe some redirects as well, or the site could be built on a high pr expired domain, that can help as well.
      Hi slin, The pr is actually 0

      I will see if i can get some more data
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  • Profile picture of the author watkip
    How many pages does he have indexed in google :site ?

    How many different anchors is he using, and how much % is his biggest anchor?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
    Pages in Google: 93


    Links in Google: 3

    Alexa Rank: 657,830


    More detail on this site at Alexa
    Link Count 1,483
    Reach Rank 483,602
    Reach Per Million 2.00
    Page Load Time 0
    Page Views Per Million 0.00
    Page Views Rank 1,218,104
    Page Views Per User 1.00

    majesticseo

    Homepage Title


    N/A

    Educational Ref. Backlinks


    1,722

    Governmental Ref. Backlinks


    585

    Educational Ref. Domains


    113

    Governmental Ref. Domains


    40

    Indexed URLs


    277
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    He has done his work to build up an impressive backlink profile. End of story.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
    Here are the keywords i want to rank for:

    diet pills
    best diet pills
    diet pills that work
    best diet pills for woman
    weight loss pills
    best weight loss pills
    best way to loose weight
    how to loose weight quickly
    losing weight
    weight loss
    how to loose weight fast
    fat loss
    fat burner
    slimming
    extreme weight loss
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Kennedy
      You might have quite a hard time ranking for those keywords at a quick glance. Especially if you have little to no experience ranking websites.

      Start smaller and build up to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
    I've seen one page web sites, on fresh domains, ranking with a couple weeks with nothing but GSA SER spam links blasted at high velocity. Given these sites will get slapped eventually, it's probably worth it for them to churn and burn. The interesting thing is they were using a fresh domain to do so.

    Check the link profile. It's likely built on a PBN or someone who's really handy with automation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
      Hi there, i checked his source code and a saw pingbacks somewhere there.
      What is a pingback?
      What is the best map to follow when doing seo for a new site?
      Do you have to index the site first and then start with backlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Anton
    Ranking a thin site is possible, just doesn't make much sense. All the hard work of link building trickles down to inner pages/posts so the larger the website you build, the more opportunities you will have for targeted visitors and increased income from leads, affiliate sales, adsense, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author domainingin
      Your respective niche is highly competitive thus you need to decide if you go for churn and burn quick results with blackhat or you start building long term results with solid high authoritative back links with link and anchor diversity.
      Building a PBN is another strategy, however you will need more than just a PBN with 5 sites and you must be aware, it takes long time and most fail in this niche unless they have back links profiles like your no 1 competitor.
      Hope that helps
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Most probably this is a churn & burn type of site with massive spam.

        Such sites don't need to be large, 1 or 2 pages is enough to rank for a couple of weeks and if very lucky sometimes for a few months.

        He might also have some redirects in place in addition to the spam.

        Saying that a back link profile looks impressive by purely looking at the number of referring domains / subnets makes no sense at all. You can accomplish the same back link metrics with Scrapebox alone.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
    sounds like churn and burn black hat tactics... like to see how long the new owner has these rankings
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  • Profile picture of the author ConsultJoseph
    I don't mind analyzing the backlink profile here (quality of links, anchor text diversity, link structures, on-site SEO, etc.) and posting it for everybody to see. All you need to do is PM me the site and I'll do it in 30 mins tops (assuming I'm online).
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    • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
      Originally Posted by ConsultJoseph View Post

      I don't mind analyzing the backlink profile here (quality of links, anchor text diversity, link structures, on-site SEO, etc.) and posting it for everybody to see. All you need to do is PM me the site and I'll do it in 30 mins tops (assuming I'm online).
      with your custom SEO analysis... is it site in general (as in homepage?) or deep links?
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      • Profile picture of the author ConsultJoseph
        Originally Posted by mrozlat View Post

        with your custom SEO analysis... is it site in general (as in homepage?) or deep links?
        Homepage only but very in-depth which mean there is a 99% chance I will be able to see if there is a problem.

        TO THE OP:

        Thanks for PMing me the site. Here's what I found, I'll try to draw out as much angles as possible because there is no one-size-that-fits all approach. However, what we can draw out is what he is doing good which will allow you to be able to copy his approach AND THEN improvise on that in order to take over his position.

        Website: *productkeyword**noun*.com
        Niche: medical/health
        Nature: product site

        On-site SEO Stats:

        26 times primary KW is used out of 664 words = almost 5%

        META TITLE has the primary keyword at the start then a good generic phrase.

        Outbound link is only to the product itself with an affiliate ID tied.

        Very simple, no other pages, well-siloed.

        Off-Site SEO Stats: Link Velocity (last 90 days), backlink distribution (fix your eyes on the very high DOFOLLOW ratio and the 17 redirects), CTLD distribution (anybody said, Russian?), anchor text diversity (confirmed: too much of it)

        Redirects: Low quality, nothing stands out.

        Dofollows: A lot of high PR links from foreign sites. I suspect them to be SAPE or other group private blog network since the language varies.

        Conclusion: Very close to getting a penalty. I believe what keeps him from getting one is that the on-site is well structured and not spammed out. The high PR links linking to him are freshly made though (past 90 days) which probably explains why they haven't been deindexed or found out yet.
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    Yip that is an impressive backlink profile!

    How do you think he got so many backlinks?
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    He has good traffic tog huge commission
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    @OP Is this website still ranking after the updates and how long have you been monitoring this website?
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    • Profile picture of the author TygraOlympia
      Originally Posted by ConsultJoseph View Post

      Homepage only but very in-depth which mean there is a 99% chance I will be able to see if there is a problem.

      TO THE OP:

      Thanks for PMing me the site. Here's what I found, I'll try to draw out as much angles as possible because there is no one-size-that-fits all approach. However, what we can draw out is what he is doing good which will allow you to be able to copy his approach AND THEN improvise on that in order to take over his position.

      Website: *productkeyword**noun*.com
      Niche: medical/health
      Nature: product site

      On-site SEO Stats:

      26 times primary KW is used out of 664 words = almost 5%

      META TITLE has the primary keyword at the start then a good generic phrase.

      Outbound link is only to the product itself with an affiliate ID tied.

      Very simple, no other pages, well-siloed.

      Off-Site SEO Stats: Link Velocity (last 90 days), backlink distribution (fix your eyes on the very high DOFOLLOW ratio and the 17 redirects), CTLD distribution (anybody said, Russian?), anchor text diversity (confirmed: too much of it)

      Redirects: Low quality, nothing stands out.

      Dofollows: A lot of high PR links from foreign sites. I suspect them to be SAPE or other group private blog network since the language varies.

      Conclusion: Very close to getting a penalty. I believe what keeps him from getting one is that the on-site is well structured and not spammed out. The high PR links linking to him are freshly made though (past 90 days) which probably explains why they haven't been deindexed or found out yet.
      Could you tell me what website you used to dig into this guy's?
      It looks like semrush... but I feel like I'm wrong..

      Originally Posted by seoace View Post

      @OP Is this website still ranking after the updates and how long have you been monitoring this website?
      The website is still up.
      Ranking position #6 for the keyword phen375

      Whoever bought the website:
      https://flippa.com/3075019-7-000-mon...-work-required

      is probably still making some damn good money.

      I'm interested in finding out how to make websites like that....
      It would be one hell of a skill to have as an affiliate marketer!
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Anyone noticed how crappy that site actually is with only few 100 words of content and near 80 pages indexed that either shouldn't be indexed or that give a 404 error?

        Maybe no one noticed that he delivered traffic stats till 19/05 (1 day before Panda4.0 launched)?

        Right now he's definitely not ranking as well as before, ranking at #6 for the main keyword with very similar sites above you does terrible things for conversions, in other words he will hardly sell a thing at this point.

        Don't even understand how people can be so retarded to bid on such site and that it eventually sells for $12k (123 bids).

        And look at the timing, auction started on 20/05, and on 10/05 and 15/05 there were already some updates that gave a sneak preview on Panda4.0 so I bet he alraedy knew which road that went, well planned scam attempt to pull as much money as he could. No wonder he started bidding at $1,-, site must have made close to nothing at that point.

        Ranking at #6 hardly brings in any money when sites above you are similar in setup, friend of mine ranks at #4 for a certain high volume keyword with 3 other affiliate sites above him. Sites also makes close to nothing due to that, and he receives only a tiny 60-70 unique visitors per day. In certain niches you really need to be #1-#2 to exponentially increase income. At #4 you could make $100/month vs $3000/month at #1. Yes that's 30 times more opposed to 8 times more visits (theoretically)

        #1 40% traffic
        #2 20% traffic
        #3 10% traffic
        #4 5% traffic

        But those number obvious get crushed big time when the top 4 sites look so similar (crappy EMD's), that's quite a bit different then for example

        #1 Amazon
        #2 Wikipedia
        #3 Your site

        Where you can expect a fair share of traffic with a review site as Amazon / Wikipedia will be largely ignored if they're looking for an independant review (no idea why actually cause Amazon has REAL reviews instead of fabricated crap that we publish).
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        • Profile picture of the author TygraOlympia
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Anyone noticed how crappy that site actually is with only few 100 words of content and near 80 pages indexed that either shouldn't be indexed or that give a 404 error?
          The site might be trash in quality of link structure but it's out ranking others and still making money for whoever owns it.
          So how trashy is that website really if it generates revenue?
          Imo, not that trashy.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by TygraOlympia View Post

            The site might be trash in quality of link structure but it's out ranking others and still making money for whoever owns it.
            So how trashy is that website really if it generates revenue?
            Imo, not that trashy.
            I added more to my post, the site is virtually making nothing at this point.

            In the past I've had several clients in that niche, we always got them somewhere at the middle of page one, and plenty of times my subscribes let me know that the site wasn't making enough to justify the $100/month that we charged back then.

            The current buyer should be happy to make $100-$200/month at this point. I bet the site used to make the money which it claims, TILL 10/05 or 15/05, then it got sold. Buyer must feel sick, but he's just plain stupid to bid on a churn & burn site. I am surprised it lasted this long though. He ranked for a good few months.

            For the rest there's nothing to learn from this unless you know how to re-create the back link profile, which is near impossible (but pretty much an art of spamming I suppose as he did rank high). The site itself is the worse setup you can imagine.

            Check this:



            Equals not ranking at all in that niche.
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            • Profile picture of the author TygraOlympia
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              I added more to my post, the site is virtually making nothing at this point.

              In the past I've had several clients in that niche, we always got them somewhere at the middle of page one, and plenty of times my subscribes let me know that the site wasn't making enough to justify the $100/month that we charged back then.

              The current buyer should be happy to make $100-$200/month at this point. I bet the site used to make the money which it claims, TILL 10/05 or 15/05, then it got sold. Buyer must feel sick, but he's just plain stupid to bid on a churn & burn site. I am surprised it lasted this long though. He ranked for a good few months.

              For the rest there's nothing to learn from this unless you know how to re-create the back link profile, which is near impossible (but pretty much an art of spamming I suppose as he did rank high). The site itself is the worse setup you can imagine.

              Check this:



              Equals not ranking at all in that niche.
              I find it strange how your SERP results from whatever tool you're using doesn't match up to my incognito + vpn search results for the phen375 keywords. Nevertheless, if the ranking is still good and there is a CTR on that sales page, then there should be an income. Claiming that they're only making $100-$200/month off this site isn't necessarily low. But truthfully I feel that if they're ranked #1 as it shows on my search results, then they must be making more than that. I've never heard of a website that's #1 in google that makes less than $500/month.

              From personal experience alone in makeshift niches where I ranked position #2 or #3 I was able to pull out $410+/month. (Surely nothing to rave about nor enough to pay all my living expenses)

              Anyway, it's a bad example to compare different niches with different target audiences. If people NEED that phen375 product to lose weight, then people WILL buy it.
              If the new owner of the website is smart they would pay for press releases on some of the internet's best sites:
              Yahoo, MSN, AOL, etc.
              Not only will that give them organic looking links, but those visitors from any of those websites can lead to sales.
              So sure, while ranking is important, you need to remember that revenue comes from multiple venues of traffic and that it's dumb to put all your eggs into one basket (Google ranking).
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by TygraOlympia View Post

                I find it strange how your SERP results from whatever tool you're using doesn't match up to my incognito + vpn search results for the phen375 keywords. Nevertheless, if the ranking is still good and there is a CTR on that sales page, then there should be an income. Claiming that they're only making $100-$200/month off this site isn't necessarily low. But truthfully I feel that if they're ranked #1 as it shows on my search results, then they must be making more than that. I've never heard of a website that's #1 in google that makes less than $500/month.

                From personal experience alone in makeshift niches where I ranked position #2 or #3 I was able to pull out $410+/month. (Surely nothing to rave about nor enough to pay all my living expenses)

                Anyway, it's a bad example to compare different niches with different target audiences. If people NEED that phen375 product to lose weight, then people WILL buy it.
                If the new owner of the website is smart they would pay for press releases on some of the internet's best sites:
                Yahoo, MSN, AOL, etc.
                Not only will that give them organic looking links, but those visitors from any of those websites can lead to sales.
                So sure, while ranking is important, you need to remember that revenue comes from multiple venues of traffic and that it's dumb to put all your eggs into one basket (Google ranking).
                I guess they've used to rank #1 but that isn't the case anymore so...

                I use SerpFox, which is the most reliable rank checker on the web.
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            • Profile picture of the author Rocketbidz
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              I added more to my post, the site is virtually making nothing at this point.

              In the past I've had several clients in that niche, we always got them somewhere at the middle of page one, and plenty of times my subscribes let me know that the site wasn't making enough to justify the $100/month that we charged back then.

              The current buyer should be happy to make $100-$200/month at this point. I bet the site used to make the money which it claims, TILL 10/05 or 15/05, then it got sold. Buyer must feel sick, but he's just plain stupid to bid on a churn & burn site. I am surprised it lasted this long though. He ranked for a good few months.

              For the rest there's nothing to learn from this unless you know how to re-create the back link profile, which is near impossible (but pretty much an art of spamming I suppose as he did rank high). The site itself is the worse setup you can imagine.

              Check this:



              Equals not ranking at all in that niche.

              I actually saw that he had a few 301 and 302 redirects, does that pass alot of link juice?
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Rocketbidz View Post

                I actually saw that he had a few 301 and 302 redirects, does that pass alot of link juice?
                Yes about 85-100% of juice gets passed.
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                • Profile picture of the author TygraOlympia
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Yes about 85-100% of juice gets passed.
                  So you're telling me that if I spend $10+ on those stupid godaddy auctioned off domains with backlinks and pr and turn them into 301s, i will rank my site faster for the keywords i'm targeting?
                  If so, how does that work?
                  The domains have nothing to do with the niche 10/10 times, and then there's their own backlinks for whatever keywords that website tried to rank for that would then be pushed onto me, right?

                  Kind of confused as to how 301s work towards my goal.
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                  • Profile picture of the author aire
                    Originally Posted by TygraOlympia View Post

                    So you're telling me that if I spend $10+ on those stupid godaddy auctioned off domains with backlinks and pr and turn them into 301s, i will rank my site faster for the keywords i'm targeting?
                    If so, how does that work?
                    The domains have nothing to do with the niche 10/10 times, and then there's their own backlinks for whatever keywords that website tried to rank for that would then be pushed onto me, right?

                    Kind of confused as to how 301s work towards my goal.

                    Yes. lol
                    Better than godaddy. I recommend Dynadot. Don't expect any good customer service from them but good domains for cheap price with good linkbacks.

                    Good Luck.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TygraOlympia
                      Originally Posted by aire View Post

                      Yes. lol
                      Better than godaddy. I recommend Dynadot. Don't expect any good customer service from them but good domains for cheap price with good linkbacks.

                      Good Luck.
                      You're telling me that if I buy this bs domain:

                      313yz.com for $11.99 that has 288 links, those 288 irrelevant links will boost my serps.

                      That doesn't make much sense to me since these backlinks are for 313yz, my content has nothing to do with it, all that link juice seems to be shot into the dark.

                      Could you clarify why this works?
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by TygraOlympia View Post

                    So you're telling me that if I spend $10+ on those stupid godaddy auctioned off domains with backlinks and pr and turn them into 301s, i will rank my site faster for the keywords i'm targeting?
                    If so, how does that work?
                    The domains have nothing to do with the niche 10/10 times, and then there's their own backlinks for whatever keywords that website tried to rank for that would then be pushed onto me, right?

                    Kind of confused as to how 301s work towards my goal.
                    Can you quote me please where I said any of that? I only remember I said that 301's pass 85-100% of juice so no idea where you pulled all the rest from. A little strange don't you agree?

                    Then someone else gives you an alternative for GoDaddy and again you start accusing him and demand explanations lol.

                    You sure have a way of asking things, I don't think that's gonna work in your favor.

                    Good luck with all you do, I'm out
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    Backlinks work but my advice is that if you want to make money... REAL money then you need to listen to better advice as this amount of backlinks is laborious or damn expensive.

    The key is to go commercial and go big!

    Maybe you can be the new Nextag or Amazon.

    Who knows, but there's interpretation for YOU.
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