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Do you think you'll get better results with SEO by FORGETTING SEO?

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By focusing on content relationships and the ability of your content to build a community with your readers, do you guys think you'll have better results than typical SEO techniques?
#forgetting #results #seo
  • Profile picture of the author sonjay
    Well.. the "typical SEO techniques" have been diminished to just that: only techniques without results.

    With whatever it is being done or implemented, the real goal must be in mind. I have seen some people "advocating" here and some parts of the web, that we are here to make money and not earn a degree for the techniques. Even if I believe that this is true, we must not forget that learning plus applying plus evaluating the techniques which work are activities which help us make money plus decide which products and services to pay for.

    Now, your question is a "general" kind of an issue. Maybe if you want to get more value from others' experiences and expertise, we must have some working data to analyze.

    In English.. what are these "typical SEO techniques" you are referring to? And what techniques covering "content relationships" and / or "readers community" you want to compare against these SEO techniques?

    I believe it will take time and a good volume of data-set to be able to drill down the answers to questions like this, the answers which will make sense in the long run or accordingly. But this is marketing. We as marketers must be able to provide solutions as the need arises, and be able to somewhat somehow document or track what we have done; more than branding and rinse-repeating and scaling, this is so that we know if we can stay in business or how ready we are for another venture.
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    • Profile picture of the author BWHadam
      Originally Posted by sonjay View Post

      Well.. the "typical SEO techniques" have been diminished to just that: only techniques without results.

      With whatever it is being done or implemented, the real goal must be in mind. I have seen some people "advocating" here and some parts of the web, that we are here to make money and not earn a degree for the techniques. Even if I believe that this is true, we must not forget that learning plus applying plus evaluating the techniques which work are activities which help us make money plus decide which products and services to pay for.

      Now, your question is a "general" kind of an issue. Maybe if you want to get more value from others' experiences and expertise, we must have some working data to analyze.

      In English.. what are these "typical SEO techniques" you are referring to? And what techniques covering "content relationships" and / or "readers community" you want to compare against these SEO techniques?

      I believe it will take time and a good volume of data-set to be able to drill down the answers to questions like this, the answers which will make sense in the long run or accordingly. But this is marketing. We as marketers must be able to provide solutions as the need arises, and be able to somewhat somehow document or track what we have done; more than branding and rinse-repeating and scaling, this is so that we know if we can stay in business or how ready we are for another venture.
      100% agreed. SEO is unpredictable, keep focusing on quality, deliver what public needs and market it as much you can. I personally prefer social media traffic over seo traffic. Its easy , targeted and affordable.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        If you are getting "Better" results by forgetting SEO...well there is something wrong with your concepts of SEO. 1.8% keyword density works today, just as well as it did 5 years ago. "Authoritative" writing works just as well today as it did 5 years ago. Understanding the POWER of in site linking works BETTER now than it did 5 years ago.

        As much as the SEO landscape has changed in the last 5 years it has remained the same for those of us that have stayed true to the overall basics of SEO.

        So you all don't think I am talking a bunch of smack. Google "mystile theme css" Listings 1 and 2 ( 5 links in total I might add ) followed up by positions 5, 6, and 7 with youtube listings. ( You read that right, text out ranking youtube! )

        The above example btw would be an example of the power of "Authoritative" writing!
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        • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          If you are getting "Better" results by forgetting SEO...well there is something wrong with your concepts of SEO. 1.8% keyword density works today, just as well as it did 5 years ago. "Authoritative" writing works just as well today as it did 5 years ago. Understanding the POWER of in site linking works BETTER now than it did 5 years ago.

          As much as the SEO landscape has changed in the last 5 years it has remained the same for those of us that have stayed true to the overall basics of SEO.

          So you all don't think I am talking a bunch of smack. Google "mystile theme css" Listings 1 and 2 ( 5 links in total I might add ) followed up by positions 5, 6, and 7 with youtube listings. ( You read that right, text out ranking youtube! )

          The above example btw would be an example of the power of "Authoritative" writing!
          LOL no.

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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by Luke Dennison View Post

            LOL no.
            Luke,

            LOL YES actually. watch your own video. There is a point that is considers "Stuffing" but time has proven that the 1.8% profile is NOT considered stuffing, and as he states in the video you reach that top level, where your content is relevant, and if to much so then it can be dropped. He is in NO WAY saying don't do it. he is saying moderation is key!

            You have to understand Authoritative writing. Do you understand what that is? It is spoken of very little but is simply very effective. The basics are its multiple posts related to the same keyword. In a Forum scenario, you want this type of writing one right after the other. The same is true in the blog world. One right after the other.

            On the Uploadwp Forum, I write a "Series" of articles and release them pretty much bang bang bang in a few days, if not less. I can then go in a few days later and see the SERP results, and add more or change what I have as needed.

            I do the same thing with Blogs. I will take a topic and write 6 500 page articles ( Basically 1 article split into 6 readable size posts ) ALL targeting the same keyword. I will then post them across 2 days. I want them to be back to back, using the tools that wordPress or any other is offering, I get me 2 cross links with the pagenation feature, life is good.

            Sure the example listing I left is on a PR 3 site with 1000 back links, but look at what it beats out. Just in this alone, you have to understand back linking "is" important, but its not what makes a #1 listing. Again, it helps, but its not the where all have all in achieving SERP success.

            Once you understand this you can see that you no longer are looking to get a "Page" ranked, you are looking to get a collection of pages ranked. This is how you end up with a Google listing that displays upto 4 links to your page in a single listing. THIS is authoritative writing.

            Might I point out, these multi link listings if in the top 5 of a SERPS listing will out perform the #1 ranked page.

            Hope that Helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author dgui123451
    That's an old saying, but its still relevant, especially after the Penguin 2.0.
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  • Profile picture of the author KeywordKing
    Google is getting better at weeding out the poor sites, but it still isn't perfect. It really all depends on what you're trying to achieve. Are you building a blog and looking to interact with your visitors? Then yes, it seems like you're on the right track! Are you looking to churn and burn? Then thin keyword stuffed content with hundreds of thousands of keywords can still work in some niches, but not in the human checked ones like payday loans, etc.

    I personally have both types of projects on the go, I like churn and burn but I also like the stability of my authority sites. The only backlinks I build manually for one of my sites is guest blog posts and that's when I'm approached. The site I'm talking about mainly gets traffic from social media and forums that I'm active in.
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