Backlinks From 2 DIFFERENT Sub-Domains of Same EDU Site

by howudoin

Posted: 10 years ago 15 replies

Hi Warriors,

I just want some clarification on this.

I have a site which is backlinked from 2 DIFFERENT Sub-Domains of SAME EDU Site, such as:

http://xxxx.pitt.edu
http://yyyy.pitt.edu

So would these be considered as 2 SEPARATE backlinks?

My answer is yes, because Google considers sub-domains to be Completely Different sites & hence, to Google, it would appear like a normal case of 2 DIFFERENT EDU Sites, backlinking to same site.

Let me know your thoughts.

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datingworld

10 years ago

There is difference of opinions whether Google consider sub domain names as completely different sites or folders of main domain name. I think Google would consider it as 1 backlink instead of 2 backlinks from completely different sites as the main root domain name is the same for both of them.

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howudoin

10 years ago

Originally Posted by datingworld

Can you provide any source (on Google site?) to backup your claim?

I find it difficult to believe that it would be considered as 1 backlink since sub domains have ALWAYS been considered as separate domains.

In 2011, Google only changed the way they were displayed in Google Webmasters (From External to Internal links) but that doesn't mean that their status as External links has been changed.

Go through the following links for more info:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.in/2011/08/reorganizing-internal-vs-external.html

Below is the clarification by a Google UK Employee:

https://plus.google.com/+PierreFar/posts/HLGpmoz8pcF

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patco

10 years ago

Originally Posted by datingworld

Sorry, but I cannot agree! If you get a backlink from a site hosted on Blogspot.com, then you want to say that if you get another backlink from a DIFFERENT site, but again hosted on Blogspot.com, you would get only 1 backlink?!?

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

There is a difference between simply number of backlinks and backlinks from different domains. OP thinks he will get two different referring domains, that is not the case.

I can link out from this forum to my site for example in 100 different threads, that is 100 backlinks from WF. But only 1 backlink from this domain. It doesn't matter if its from a subdomain its going to count as 1 link from the domain.

SUB-domain....don't know how much more obvious it can be.

Still not making sense ? Consider this

Google considers www your site subdomain, do you think it counts two backlinks from a domain because of the www and non-www version ?. No it is one referring domain. The number of backlinks differ though (2 in this case because of the www/non-www version assuming its not canonicalized). .

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Alexa Smith

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by howudoin

So would these be considered as 2 SEPARATE backlinks?

It doesn't matter: http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ml#post5994962

SEO-related questions belong here, please: Search Engine Optimization

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mkgg

10 years ago

If the subdomains are hosted on different IPs thats when it would count really different and make somewhat of a difference but i don't think subdomains are considered two separate backlinks from different domains (if you think about it they aren't).

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howudoin

10 years ago

Originally Posted by mkgg

Subdomains are created when a webmaster is adding content that is completely different from main site. So if you want to add a blog or forum, then it makes sense to create a sub-domain.

They may have the same IP as main site, but that doesn't means that they don't have a separate identity of themselves (In the eyes of Google)

I need some kind of official link to backup what you're saying.

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by howudoin

Nothing that you will learn here is ever backed up by official sources. Do you really think Google wants to teach you that.

If you want to believe go ahead and believe whatever you want, doesn't make it any true. But here's something that will tell you how google treats subdomains, build 100 different wordpress sites, link them all to your site and check in your google WMT how google is treating those backlinks. Do they show 100 different domains or just one single domain (wordpress's) and then those 100 sites under that. This seems very official to me and those are separate 100 subdomains.

You seem to have made up your mind about this already so nothing anyone says here is going to change your mind.

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howudoin

10 years ago

Originally Posted by mkgg

Nothing that you will learn here is ever backed up by official sources. Do you really think Google wants to teach you that.

Yes, Google does want to teach best practices to webmasters & that is why they have a webmaster blog in the first place!

I've provided above "official" sources, coming straight from the horses mouth & all is expect is something similar in return.

Here is their stand again:

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In 2011, Google only changed the way backlinks were displayed in Google Webmasters (From External to Internal links) but that doesn't mean that their status as External links has been changed.

Go through the following links for more info:

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.in/2011/08/reorganizing-internal-vs-external.html

Below is the clarification by a Google UK Employee:

https://plus.google.com/+PierreFar/posts/HLGpmoz8pcF

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People like you are simply assuming things out of thin air & asserting them as facts. I don't care about entire WF, but whatever you say in this thread, back it up with some sort of official confirmation/indication from Google.

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Originally Posted by howudoin

People like you are simply assuming things out of thin air & asserting them as facts. I don't care about entire WF, but whatever you say in this thread, back it up with some sort of official confirmation/indication from Google.

Google rarely, if ever, gives any kind of official statement like that concerning backlinks. You are not going to find an official statement by Google on this topic. All you are going to get is opinions.

My testing a few years ago showed a diminishing return from sub-domains. I kept setting up new subdomains on Web 2.0 sites and building links. Eventually, it hit a point where I could add all the new links I wanted, but rankings did not change. That was 3-4 years ago.

On a side note, I don't know why you are wasting your time chasing links on subdomains of an EDU site. Links on EDU sites carry no special value.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

"Yes, Google does want to teach best practices to webmasters & that is why they have a webmaster blog in the first place!"

Great so start following them

https://support.google.com/webmaster...er/66356?hl=en

"ANY LINKS intended to manipulate PageRank or a site's ranking in Google search results may be considered part of a link scheme and a VIOLATION of Google’s Webmaster Guidelines. This includes any behavior that manipulates links to your site or outgoing links from your sit"

"Additionally, creating links that weren’t editorially placed or vouched for by the site’s owner on a page, otherwise known as unnatural links, can be considered a violation of our guidelines."

99 times out of 100 edu links to a marketers site isn't "vouched for by the site's owner" and if yours are different (which I HIGHLY doubt) there is no point to the question. Since you can't change it or modify it whatever ranking you get is whatever ranking you get.

P.S. if you are only going to follow Google's guidelines get out of SEO or at least change your tagline. Why? because being a "backlink mogul" is a violation of Google guidelines.
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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by howudoin

People like me also don't make it personal when someone offers a differing point of view. The fact that i am not indian and have anything to sell here should suffice that i know what i am talking about and my opinion holds some weight but i rest my case.

Besides, the two Mike's whose opinion hold far more weight than anybody else here have already told you (similar to my opinion) what you need to know so you have your answer.

EDIT: Let me add yukon to the list too..

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yukon Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by howudoin

I need some kind of official link to backup what you're saying.

Doubtful you'll get an official link for how to outsmart the Google algo.

mkgg gave you the answer (If the subdomains are hosted on different IPs). An example would be blogspot.com sub-domains, the multi-language sub-domains are hosted all over the world & traffic GEO location/browser language settings are checked to see which language sub-domain is appropriate for traffic.

Last time I checked one of my old blogspots in WMT the other language sub-domains for the same site showed up in external links. It wasn't always like that, maybe 3-4 years ago WMT would show all blogspot sub-domains as internal links (every single blogspot, different sub-domains).

Your thread title mentions .edu so I'm guessing you took the link builder sales pitch bait. In other words .edu's on their own are irrelevant to ranking pages.
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howudoin 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It doesn't matter: http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ml#post5994962

SEO-related questions belong here, please: Search Engine Optimization

.

That post link only talks about the relevancy of EDU Source & NOT about the issue of
Backlinks From 2 DIFFERENT Sub-Domains of Same EDU Site.

So can you tell something about that?
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- Alexa Smith Banned 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by howudoin
  
  That post link only talks about the relevancy of EDU Source & NOT about the issue of Backlinks From 2 DIFFERENT Sub-Domains of Same EDU Site.
  
  I know.
  
  Originally Posted by howudoin
  
  So can you tell something about that?
  
  Yes.
  
  I already did.
  
  It doesn't matter. I'm sorry that it isn't what you wanted to hear, but it's still true.
  
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Backlinks From 2 DIFFERENT Sub-Domains of Same EDU Site

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