Who should do the job? Want advice from Warriors

Teravel

10 years ago

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Teravel

Your position on Google is about as important as the color of the shoes you wear while writing your web content. It's more important to focus on getting your website seen by actual people.

That only makes sense If your page is ranked #257.

Your basically saying nobody uses Google.

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aaalexan

10 years ago

#Teravel,
I'm not interested in social media. I know exactly what I want, which is Google traffic for specific keywords.
Thanks for your answer.

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Teravel

10 years ago

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Teravel

Not at all... I'm saying it's more important to find actual people to lead them back to your website, than it is to beg Google for traffic.

Lets assume aaalexan does a bunch of "SEO" and gets his website back to the first page of Google.

1. How long will it stay there without constant maintenance (Which costs time and money)?

2. How quickly will he see visitors, and will they be interested in what he his website has to say?

3. What happens when Google releases it's next algorithm change and all the previous "SEO" done to the site forces him back to the 20-30 range? Or further?

Now lets assume aaalexan decides to focus on actual people, instead of trying to make software happy (Yes, Google is Software).

1. He adds Social buttons to his website. Now ANY visitor he gets has the opportunity to share the site. Every click is FREE Advertising. Not only that, it's Word of Mouth advertising, which is the best kind you can get.

2. He starts bookmarking his new content on Social media sites. This not only looks good in the eyes of Google, but leads actual PEOPLE back to your website. People that have already shown an interest in what the content is about, so you know it's targeted.

3. He starts answering questions in related forums, or on websites like Yahoo Answers. Not only does this help people, but it can lead them back to his website. Yet again, targeted traffic.

But wait... The visitors from #2 and #3 also have a chance to share the content with their friends using #1, which leads to more visitors that can also share the content. Careful now, we might start hitting the edge of Viral here.

Not only do these things add real visitors to your website, they will increase your Google Position as well.

It's your business. But hear me when I say, your leaving money on the table, and begging for a world of stress. Not only is it a constant uphill battle, but your fighting for the table scraps of a piece of Software that has absolutely no interest in your business.

I don't know about OP but I have multiple money keywords that have held rank for years. Then again my sites/links aren't junk, they actually have repeat traffic helping build long term same niche links.

Just because your not ranking pages doesn't mean nobody else is ranking pages. If you want social, fine, go with with social but this here is the SEO forum. It's kinda like walking into a Weight Watchers meeting & telling everyone to stop eating vegetables because donuts taste better, lol.

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Teravel

Your position on Google is about as important as the color of the shoes you wear while writing your web content. It's more important to focus on getting your website seen by actual people. That being said...

hahaahaa...i am sorry but this has to be one of the best thing i have read on these forums. Are you for real ?

Your follow up

Now lets assume aaalexan decides to focus on actual people, instead of trying to make software happy (Yes, Google is Software).

1. He adds Social buttons to his website. Now ANY visitor he gets has the opportunity to share the site. Every click is FREE Advertising. Not only that, it's Word of Mouth advertising, which is the best kind you can get.

2. He starts bookmarking his new content on Social media sites. This not only looks good in the eyes of Google, but leads actual PEOPLE back to your website. People that have already shown an interest in what the content is about, so you know it's targeted.

3. He starts answering questions in related forums, or on websites like Yahoo Answers. Not only does this help people, but it can lead them back to his website. Yet again, targeted traffic.

But wait... The visitors from #2 and #3 also have a chance to share the content with their friends using #1, which leads to more visitors that can also share the content. Careful now, we might start hitting the edge of Viral here.

So that is how things go viral....brb trying to make my content go viral.

@OP: What are you going for exactly ? white hat or black hat ?. I have tried black hat services mostly (some on these, some on other forums) but never to the money site.

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Teravel,

Nobody has shown any proof that social signals impact rankings. It's all a bunch of lies and BS.

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Teravel

10 years ago

Best of luck aaalexan. You're going to need it with all these naysayers. Especially since not one of them have actually contributed to your thread.

For all the people still commenting on what I said about Social Media, I would like to point out that I also responded to this thread BEFORE it was moved to the SEO section. Guess it doesn't matter now, since no one here is actually providing information of worth anyway.

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

I'm not a naysayer. Just a little tired of people spreading this social signal nonsense.

Show me one site that is ranking based on social signals for a keyword that is at least moderately competitive.

I've put this challenge out there several times. Nobody has come up with one.

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Ryan3

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I'm not a naysayer. Just a little tired of people spreading this social signal nonsense.

Show me one site that is ranking based on social signals for a keyword that is at least moderately competitive.

I've put this challenge out there several times. Nobody has come up with one.

Exactly. Social signals dont do shit for your rankings. There only used to make it look more natural

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aaalexan

10 years ago

Not getting any advice from here I've decided to try Fiverr.com. I knew that I'll be manipulated somehow. So just for fun I've tried one gig. It was promising promote my link to 13 million Facebook users and 100000 twitter followers.

As a result I got about 15 fake Facebook likes. Why fake, because nobody from Facebook visited my site to like it or not

No any traffic changes. I've got a list of Facebook links, about 13 of them where my site was promoted. There were mostly from Facebook groups. I'm guessing that the number of subscribers of those groups is about 13 000 000 as promised. Now here is the most interesting part, when the next day I've tried one of the links it was removed. All of them were removed.
So I emailed the guy and asked him to restore the links. I don't think that they have any real value; anyway I've paid for them, a little, but still.

We'll see how this will end.

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by aaalexan

Not getting any advice from here I've decided to try Fiverr.com. I knew that I'll be manipulated somehow. So just for fun I've tried one gig. It was promising promote my link to 13 million Facebook users and 100000 twitter followers.

As a result I got about 15 fake Facebook likes. Why fake, because nobody from Facebook visited my site to like it or not

No any traffic changes. I've got a list of Facebook links, about 13 of them where my site was promoted. There were mostly from Facebook groups. I'm guessing that the number of subscribers of those groups is about 13 000 000 as promised. Now here is the most interesting part, when the next day I've tried one of the links it was removed. All of them were removed.
So I emailed the guy and asked him to restore the links. I don't think that they have any real value; anyway I've paid for them, a little, but still.

We'll see how this will end.

Really ? Every other thread in this section asks for the same thing and get the same advice, somehow that wasn't enough.

But of all the things you could have done on fiverr that may actually have helped, you ordered social...sigh. You haven't been manipulated by the way, don't expect those 13 million Facebook users and 100000 twitter followers to do anything if they aren't target audience.

Build high pr links and basically thats it to rank. Don't waste your time or money on social, Twitter doesn't even give you a no-follow link (they use their own url redirector).

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aaalexan

10 years ago

Originally Posted by mkgg

You haven't been manipulated by the way, don't expect those 13 million Facebook users and 100000 twitter followers to do anything if they aren't target audience.

By manipulation I mean fake Facebook "likes". How you can like the website without visiting it?
And the second, he removed all the Facebook links after getting paid.

Originally Posted by mkgg

Build high pr links and basically thats it to rank. Don't waste your time or money on social, Twitter doesn't even give you a no-follow link (they use their own url redirector).

I’m Doubtful. Right now I have 1473 links (all of them accrued naturally, I haven’t done any seo), from which 395 are from Fixya.com with Alexa rank 1770 (731 in USA)

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by aaalexan

I'm Doubtful. Right now I have 1473 links (all of them accrued naturally, I haven't done any seo), from which 395 are from Fixya.com with Alexa rank 1770 (731 in USA)

First, alexa rank doesn't mean anything. I can get links from Yahoo answers which i believe has an alexa rank of 4 but that isn't going to do anything to help me rank anything.

You also have to take note of what your competition is doing, has new sites popped up for your keywords ? If the answer is yes most likely they are actively trying to rank for the keywords or have far better authoritative websites than yours.

All i can say is good luck mate, the way you're going things are not going to change much.

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aaalexan

10 years ago

Originally Posted by mkgg

You also have to take note of what your competition is doing, has new sites popped up for your keywords ? If the answer is yes most likely they are actively trying to rank for the keywords or have far better authoritative websites than yours.

All i can say is good luck mate, the way you're going things are not going to change much.

Thanks for your answers and your thoughts.
The problem is that this website and this business are past even for me. So I was just thinking to do a little makeover without any serous involvement, because until now I have returning customers and the website is converting well with new customers.

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NRabosa

10 years ago

Originally Posted by aaalexan

I need some marketing help to rank my website on 1-5 positions on Google Search for 3-4 keywords. My website is 7 years old and it used to be on the top of Google Search for a long time, but now it is on 20th to 30th positions.

Who should I use to get the job done?
There are so many offers, how to avoid cheaters and not waste time and money?

Thanks!

I may not have the capacity to give you an exact solution to your query but we can assess on what transpired in your case>>>

Your website is 7 years old - with all the updates that Google has released during that span of time, many websites got penalized. It's not just you, many of those who kept on doing traditional methods got swept away by the tides of change. It's best if you can read more about the "Google animals." to be guided accordingly on what methods you've been doing that you've got to ditch/change.

Website Ranking - One of the updates is the Not provided keywords, wherein G.A. cannot show the missing data, so it would be hard to analyze which of the keywords you use are working. Try to experiment on competitive keywords for 2014, keep it updated, say, for quarterly perhaps?

Create a Time Frame -Know what you want to achieve in a reasonable time frame. Many people here in Warrior Forum can help you. Get in touch with them-- those who are honest, no-nonsense and has factual knowledge and not those who still argue about SEO vs. Social Signals.

It could be a long tedious process to get back again. I mean, you have a reputable website of 7 years and that drop isn't so bad as it seems. You won't waste time and money, as long as you persevere.

Hope this helps.

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aaalexan

10 years ago

Originally Posted by NRabosa

I may not have the capacity to give you an exact solution to your query but we can assess on what transpired in your case>>>

Your website is 7 years old - with all the updates that Google has released during that span of time, many websites got penalized. It's not just you, many of those who kept on doing traditional methods got swept away by the tides of change. It's best if you can read more about the "Google animals." to be guided accordingly on what methods you've been doing that you've got to ditch/change.

Website Ranking - One of the updates is the Not provided keywords, wherein G.A. cannot show the missing data, so it would be hard to analyze which of the keywords you use are working. Try to experiment on competitive keywords for 2014, keep it updated, say, for quarterly perhaps?

Create a Time Frame -Know what you want to achieve in a reasonable time frame. Many people here in Warrior Forum can help you. Get in touch with them-- those who are honest, no-nonsense and has factual knowledge and not those who still argue about SEO vs. Social Signals.

It could be a long tedious process to get back again. I mean, you have a reputable website of 7 years and that drop isn't so bad as it seems. You won't waste time and money, as long as you persevere.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for your detailed advice.
As I mentioned in my post I am going to pay somebody to do work for me, because this one is a side project now. When I check the Analytics Report I see that the site is unfairly downsized by Google.
Now I have more direct customers than from Google organic search. I think based only on this metric Google should have ranked my site higher. In addition to the above the site has good converting rates about 6% and 1.5% for direct and Google organic traffic accordingly. When I check the Google search results for my keywords I see mostly shallow, unrelated and garbage sites, except of few. So I was thinking by the time Google will fix this. Now I understand that it will not going to happen

I've never done SEO. Always was thinking that SEO is like playing hide and seek with Google knowing who will win in the end. Now I guess I want to play myself a little.

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hipeopo02 10 years ago

OP,

You should get the guy that does the work FIRST then accepts compensation for after the work is done.

What I do...

Step 1: I rank a clients site.

Step 2. I ask the client if the want me to "maintain their rank"

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Step 3(a) If they answer "yes" I charge them a fixed price (usually around a few hundred) and keep an eye on their spot making the necessary adjustments (algorithm updates, etc.)

Step 3(b) If they say "no" I take down their links that I put up for them.

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Step 4(a) Profit.

Step 4(b) Wait until they call back. Profit.

Simply put: If someone can't do the work FIRST. They are most likely a salesman in the SEO flavor. This is not manual labor and it doesn't take long.
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Rashadpc

10 years ago

I think you should some change on page like, content ,description, meta tag etc ,and do index your site hope you will be helped this strategic

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