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Sites Won't Rank in More Competitive Niches

by nik0 Banned
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It starts to become some sort of a trend, but often I experience that private network links don't work that well in more competitive niches like finance, real estate, travel while they do their job pretty well in all other type of niches.

When I compare the competition of certain affiliate niches then the competition is often more fierce then some local real estate agent, still I can reach the top 3 fairly easy for affiliate niches opposed to poor results for the real estate ones so it's not just the competition but more the niche as a whole.

Anyone else experiencing this?

A logical reason would be that legit businesses have more legit links so perhaps that's holding me down? I haven't tried dedicating domains solely to a client due to budget issue's so perhaps that might solve it?
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    I'm not in any similar niches but it's well known that every niche has its own "quirks" when it comes to ranking, and there may well be specialized filters and algorithms in place for those specific niches you mention. Your best bet is probably looking at how the others that ARE ranking have done it and try to emulate them...
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    It starts to become some sort of a trend, but often I experience that private network links don't work that well in more competitive niches like finance, real estate, travel while they do their job pretty well in all other type of niches.

    When I compare the competition of certain affiliate niches then the competition is often more fierce then some local real estate agent, still I can reach the top 3 fairly easy for affiliate niches opposed to poor results for the real estate ones so it's not just the competition but more the niche as a whole.

    Anyone else experiencing this?

    A logical reason would be that legit businesses have more legit links so perhaps that's holding me down? I haven't tried dedicating domains solely to a client due to budget issue's so perhaps that might solve it?
    To be honest, in areas like finance, real estate, and travel... that's where real SEOs (for lack of a better word) get hired to work, whether it is local or not. Rarely is there more than maybe one to two people with decent SEO talents working in most affiliate niches. In a lot of finance areas, there might be 7-10 SEOs that actually know what they are doing competing against one another.You'll encounter a lot more SEOs that are better at covering up their work.

    On top of that, they usually are not just trying to rank one page. Many times one business is trying to rank 3-4 web properties that they own in the same market.
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    • Profile picture of the author chris_87
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You'll encounter a lot more SEOs that are better at covering up their work.
      Speaking of which, does SEO Spyglass still do a decent job at uncovering networks? Last time I checked they never released the bot information, and it used to be an easy way to find network sites that had been blocked everywhere else.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by chris_87 View Post

        Speaking of which, does SEO Spyglass still do a decent job at uncovering networks? Last time I checked they never released the bot information, and it used to be an easy way to find network sites that had been blocked everywhere else.
        The sites where I block all the crawlers don't show up in Spyglass.

        In other words Spyglass is using external crawling services.

        Good reason why they never admit what user-agents they used as they are simply dependent on others.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          The sites where I block all the crawlers don't show up in Spyglass.

          In other words Spyglass is using external crawling services.

          Good reason why they never admit what user-agents they used as they are simply dependent on others.
          No they have their own crawler too in addition to pulling data from other services.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            No they have their own crawler too in addition to pulling data from other services.
            They claim they have yes, my data proves otherwise, or I must be lucky to have their user agent in my list of 150+ crawlers.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Rarely is there more than maybe one to two people with decent SEO talents working in most affiliate niches. In a lot of finance areas, there might be 7-10 SEOs that actually know what they are doing competing against one another.
      I guess that sums it up pretty much, and they work with much larger budgets so it makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Link research tools don't give you the complete picture. Also, sites that compete in highly competitive niches usually buy links from real sites, not some PBN.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caitlinz
    To be able to rank in such niches, your site must have links from sites ranking within the top 100 in the same niche.

    For eg. (Have not tested this in your niches yet) If you build web 2.0's with unique content and rank them within the top 100 with a link to your site (not necessarily with anchor), naturally your money site will reach the top 20 or 10 within weeks. I believe web 2.0's are not enough to rank for competitive keywords in the finance niche. You must have unique authority sites linking to your money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    Maybe the pbn posts arent as powerful as you think they are.
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