My website slow after i empty page cache

by mojo26
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When i check my websute speed its show me between 1.4-2s
i i tried to understand if my theme are fast ..
i empty the cache and check again my website speed and its show e between
5-7s
but when icheck again after 1 min so its show me again 1.4-2s

why its happen ?

this can effect my ranking ? 7 seconds its really slow ...
#cache #empty #page #slow #website
  • Profile picture of the author Vahid
    How do you check your website speed?

    Can you refer to the below page, scroll down and see how fast your website is from the Alexa point of view?
    http://alexa.com/siteinfo/YourSite.com

    If Alexa says 51% of the sites are slower than yours, then there is nothing to be worried about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by Vahid View Post

      How do you check your website speed?

      Can you refer to the below page, scroll down and see how fast your website is from the Alexa point of view?
      http://alexa.com/siteinfo/YourSite.com

      If Alexa says 51% of the sites are slower than yours, then there is nothing to be worried about.
      Useless post.

      Use Website speed test for speed checking.

      There are tens of millions of websites on the net. If you aim for 51%, then you aim pretty damn low. I'd be pretty annoyed if I wasn't in the top 10% according to Pingdom.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vahid
        Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

        Useless post.

        Use Website speed test for speed checking.

        There are tens of millions of websites on the net. If you aim for 51%, then you aim pretty damn low. I'd be pretty annoyed if I wasn't in the top 10% according to Pingdom.
        This is not a speed race. Your site doesn't have to be among the top 10% to get ranked higher. "Speed" is only one of the factors among +1000 factors that many of them are much more important.

        A higher than average speed is enough, and means the site doesn't have speed problem. Then you can focus on the other things that are a lot more important (quality content, and...). I have sites/blogs with the speed of lower than average, and their ranking is still great.
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        • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
          Originally Posted by Vahid View Post

          This is not a speed race. Your site doesn't have to be among the top 10% to get ranked higher. "Speed" is only one of the factors among +1000 factors that many of them are much more important.

          A higher than average speed is enough, and means the site doesn't have speed problem. Then you can focus on the other things that are a lot more important (quality content, and...). I have sites/blogs with the speed of lower than average, and their ranking is still great.
          This is the response you would expect from a typical "SEO Guru". I don't give a damn about site speed in terms of rankings.

          This is the problem with "SEO's". In the world of Digital Marketing, site speed is perhaps one of the most influential conversion factors. People won't sit around and wait 3 seconds for sites to load anymore.

          The difference between a 2.90 second loading time and 2.50 second loading time could be a 10% improvement in sales, conversions, whatever.
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          • Profile picture of the author Vahid
            Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

            This is the response you would expect from a typical "SEO Guru". I don't give a damn about site speed in terms of rankings.

            This is the problem with "SEO's". In the world of Digital Marketing, site speed is perhaps one of the most influential conversion factors. People won't sit around and wait 3 seconds for sites to load anymore.

            The difference between a 2.90 second loading time and 2.50 second loading time could be a 10% improvement in sales, conversions, whatever.
            Did you read what he has asked exactly? I think you did not.

            His question is a SEO related question:

            > this can effect my ranking ?

            So the answer I gave him was related to what he has asked.

            Of course speed is very important for conversion. There is no doubt about it. But his question is not about conversion. It is about ranking, and is submitted under the "Search Engine Optimization" forum.
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            • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
              Originally Posted by Vahid View Post

              Did you read what he has asked exactly? I think you did not.

              His question is a SEO related question:

              > this can effect my ranking ?

              So the answer I gave him was related to what he has asked.

              Of course speed is very important for conversion. There is no doubt about it. But his question is not about conversion. It is about ranking, and is submitted under the "Search Engine Optimization" forum.
              And it's pretty obvious the answer is yes. Google has stated numerous times page speed has an overall effect on rankings. You don't know how it factors into the algorithm, and neither do I. But if you, or the OP took their business seriously, you would pay up and get a decent host.

              Siteground costs what, $5 per month and almost guarantees ~1.5 second loading times on a Wordpress install. That's sufficient for an entry-level site.

              Traffic increases? More strain on the server? Upgrade your package.

              Anybody living in this day in age with a site that loads in 2.5+ seconds deserves to not rank at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    Too many opinions and too few facts - read Radware State of the Union, you need 1-2s dynamic page loads (no fpc) - the greater the breadth (clusters) the better the ranking - depending on your site. The hosting provider has just an impact as speed along with number of products, platform and a few other key factors on the Tech side. Then of course you have business side such as backlinks, press releases, social media. Most scrimp on the tech and then overload themselves with business which is time based.

    Siteground is a Tier 7, you get 1-2 organic visitors per $1 hosting, corporates get ~25 visitors per $1 hosting as they use Tier 1/2 providers - it's prety fun - we're running on them. So on a net basis - Siteground is useless but people value money over time 80:20, just the way it is.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by serpyre View Post

      Too many opinions and too few facts - read Radware State of the Union, you need 1-2s dynamic page loads (no fpc) - the greater the breadth (clusters) the better the ranking - depending on your site. The hosting provider has just an impact as speed along with number of products, platform and a few other key factors on the Tech side. Then of course you have business side such as backlinks, press releases, social media. Most scrimp on the tech and then overload themselves with business which is time based.

      Siteground is a Tier 7, you get 1-2 organic visitors per $1 hosting, corporates get ~25 visitors per $1 hosting as they use Tier 1/2 providers - it's prety fun - we're running on them. So on a net basis - Siteground is useless but people value money over time 80:20, just the way it is.
      Siteground's basic hosting package gives one of my wordpress sites a 1.1 second average loading speed.

      That site averages 15,000 visitors per month.

      That means I probably pay around $0.0001 per visitor.

      Nice logic.
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  • Profile picture of the author wmrwl
    Either way, for whatever the reason may be, if you want to increase the speed of your site you have the following options:
    1. Upgrade your hosting plan (maybe to a VPS) or change providers
    2. Implement a third party CDN or do some of your own server side caching (depending on the access you have to the server).

    If the site is noticeably slow, even if the search engines don't care, then you may still lose impatient visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    No, you don't understand, not to worry - can't be bothered to explain any more - just skip it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by serpyre View Post

      No, you don't understand, not to worry - can't be bothered to explain any more - just skip it.
      You're going off statistics. I can tell. You've read a bunch of statistics and churning them out time and time again.

      Point is, I don't know what point you're trying to make. Siteground works perfectly fine for affiliate sites. It's cheap, delivers a 1second loading time 99% of the time and never has downtime. I use them on dozens of affiliate sites. Their fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    And there you go, affiliate sites, completely different dynamics to commerce and content sites, the reason we said skip it - knew there was something up.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    Why not - 15000 visitors assuming 0.5% conversion is 75 by $127 average order value is $9,525 in sales at 7% commission is $666 revenue/mth (interesting) by 1% of revenue which is the standard hosting amount to allocate is $6.66 - which matches the Siteground Growbig!

    Standard sites use 15 products per $1 hosting - with 15,000 you boost your affiliate site exposure - but that is easy - you just perform a data load from the affiliate files. We ran 250,000 product affiliate sites - pretty simple plug and play. WordPress tops out at $50,000 so you are running at 20% of capacity - 7% (affiliate) of 35% (commerce) is 20% - co-incidence.

    Of course you might have differences but that is back to the amount of effort you put in. Commerce sites have completely different dynamics and business models - chalk and cheese.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by serpyre View Post

      Why not - 15000 visitors assuming 0.5% conversion is 75 by $127 average order value is $9,525 in sales at 7% commission is $666 revenue/mth (interesting) by 1% of revenue which is the standard hosting amount to allocate is $6.66 - which matches the Siteground Growbig!

      Standard sites use 15 products per $1 hosting - with 15,000 you boost your affiliate site exposure - but that is easy - you just perform a data load from the affiliate files. We ran 250,000 product affiliate sites - pretty simple plug and play. WordPress tops out at $50,000 so you are running at 20% of capacity - 7% (affiliate) of 35% (commerce) is 20% - co-incidence.

      Of course you might have differences but that is back to the amount of effort you put in. Commerce sites have completely different dynamics and business models - chalk and cheese.
      0.5% conversion?

      Your figures are way out.

      The one site in particular averages 500 visitors of day, of which I get around 270 unique click throughs to Amazon, where I convert about 7% of them (18.9 orders per day).

      The average order value for the product i promote is between $200 and $600. If we start that at $200. We do 19 x $200 which is $3800 in revenue per day. 7% commission is $266 per day. $266 x 30 days = $7980.

      Last month the site made me $8,900. So about right.

      1% of that is $89/month according to your hosting figures. I spend $5.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by serpyre View Post

      Why not - 15000 visitors assuming 0.5% conversion is 75 by $127 average order value is $9,525 in sales at 7% commission is $666 revenue/mth (interesting) by 1% of revenue which is the standard hosting amount to allocate is $6.66 - which matches the Siteground Growbig!

      Standard sites use 15 products per $1 hosting - with 15,000 you boost your affiliate site exposure - but that is easy - you just perform a data load from the affiliate files. We ran 250,000 product affiliate sites - pretty simple plug and play. WordPress tops out at $50,000 so you are running at 20% of capacity - 7% (affiliate) of 35% (commerce) is 20% - co-incidence.

      Of course you might have differences but that is back to the amount of effort you put in. Commerce sites have completely different dynamics and business models - chalk and cheese.
      Am I reading this right?

      You can't possibly believe that host cost determine sales/profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    There will be something unique to your site and we can't be bothered to figure out what it is - so as we said - skip it. You are using gross profit not taking in to account business time and marketing costs - but accounting has zip to do with the OPs question - the figures are for a site launch and never touch the thing - just let it run and process orders. Always confused why people think time is free - must be something specific to us. Ultimately it all comes to the same end result - just the route and the amount of time you take to get there is different.

    No, it doesn't directly determine sales - indirectly is another matter. Anyway, the whole concept is lost over here - would you be able to explain how on a couple of Magento commerce sites (not affiliate) using Tier 1/2 we get 24 organic visitors per $1 hosting per 15 products without ppc - without marketing - without social media - no backlinks - no press releases.

    Actually, could you tell us how a brand new domain with 30,000 products (or was it 250,000 cannot remember) on Magento CE as an affiliate on Tier2 hosting with $2,100/mth cluster (seo test site for commerce architecture) had 15,000 pages indexed within 6wks and the same products such as Michael Kors, Hugo Boss (fashion products) were listing first page next to Amazon, eBay, Saks, Selfridges, Net-A-Porter - often number 1-5 - without ppc - without marketing - without social media (well 1 tweet every 2 days) - no backlinks - no press releases.

    Would be interesting for people to see your affiliate site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by serpyre View Post

      There will be something unique to your site and we can't be bothered to figure out what it is - so as we said - skip it. You are using gross profit not taking in to account business time and marketing costs - but accounting has zip to do with the OPs question - the figures are for a site launch and never touch the thing - just let it run and process orders. Always confused why people think time is free - must be something specific to us. Ultimately it all comes to the same end result - just the route and the amount of time you take to get there is different.

      No, it doesn't directly determine sales - indirectly is another matter. Anyway, the whole concept is lost over here - would you be able to explain how on a couple of Magento commerce sites (not affiliate) using Tier 1/2 we get 24 organic visitors per $1 hosting per 15 products without ppc - without marketing - without social media - no backlinks - no press releases.

      Actually, could you tell us how a brand new domain with 30,000 products (or was it 250,000 cannot remember) on Magento CE as an affiliate on Tier2 hosting with $2,100/mth cluster (seo test site for commerce architecture) had 15,000 pages indexed within 6wks and the same products such as Michael Kors, Hugo Boss (fashion products) were listing first page next to Amazon, eBay, Saks, Selfridges, Net-A-Porter - often number 1-5 - without ppc - without marketing - without social media (well 1 tweet every 2 days) - no backlinks - no press releases.

      Would be interesting for people to see your affiliate site.
      I invest no time and no marketing. The site is ranking, I've left it alone for 80% of the time. At the start, sure, but if' we're going strictly by an hourly wage, it's probably churned out about $3,000/hour to date in terms of my time.

      What you're suggesting is that Google places great emphasis on the quality of hosting you're using. I.E. based on your assumptions, hosting would be the #1 ranking factor here.

      In that case, it would be impossible for an SME to ever outrank Amazon or anything other retailer. My affiliate site outranks Amazon for product names, and my posts are reviews.

      It's quite easy to back-up your assumptions by looking at the SERP's. Most top retailers will have strong rankings, and they will be using expensive hosting. That is a correlation. But unfortunately, your figures don't factor in everything. Amazon also invests $50m per year in PPC, they have an SEO team in excess of 100 people. They probably spend countless amounts of money marketing. For Amazon, hosting is no issue - of course their going to invest millions in it. But Amazon aren't ranking where they are today because of their hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    You're still not understanding, let's try it this way. As an established business you have spent time and effort on a exponential scale building up the business.



    We use the logarithmic approach to do the same thing.



    The end result is the same - only the time and effort you spend to get there is different. As an established business logarithmic makes no sense for you as you have already done all the hard work to get to the end result. For a startup or a business in trouble however, it is very different.

    Regarding Amazon, the reason for business problems is their marketplace - although less than eBay. Google and consumers are moving to trust, with marketplaces there are quality control and supply chain issues - so Amazon are going to make it increasingly harder for people to sell on the platform. They just asked a company we know for three supplier invoices - which is stupid to give to them as they are also a direct competitor - not good for SMEs.

    No, it is not impossible to outrank Amazon especially with long tail keywords - that is a mis-interpretation, however you are using 'fat tail' exceptions. For standard mass market like-for-like products it is very difficult unless you are willing to spend $5 ppc for exponential scaling - or enterprise hosting for logarithmic scaling. There are always niches and opportunies - the question is how long will they stay open and will it produce a return on investment of time and capital.

    What we are saying is very simple - that there is another way to get to the same end result using a different set of dynamics or combining the two approaches - however the biggest gains from it are for startups and sites in difficulty.
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