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15 years ago

Having a lot of links does not necessarily help as you can see from your own experience. What matters is the breakdown of your link network.

Submitting an article to 100 sites is in my view not very productive. You cannot get 100 truly unique articles even when spinning. Try to spin a half dozen articles that are significantly different one from another and submit them to the leading article directories:
goarticles
ehow
ezinearticles
articlealley
amazines
articledashboard

Then do a bookmarking campaign on the articles. You can also create a number of blog entries on blogger, wordpress, vox, livejournal etc which are condensed versions of the articles. Put links in the blog entries to the articles. Then do a bookmarking campaign on each of the blog entries. Ditto for videos if you do them.

By building a multi-tiered varied network of links you will produce something that looks more natural to the crawlers. And don't forget to create links evenly over time at random times using random accounts. Don't speed up or slow down. Just a few new links every day, and it will pay over time.

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Terry Kyle 15 years ago

Page Rank is only recalculated 4 times a year (I think) so wait for the next update and should see your PR go up then.
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- kkchoon 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Terry Kyle
  
  Page Rank is only recalculated 4 times a year (I think) so wait for the next update and should see your PR go up then.
  
  Actually Google updated more frequently in these pass few months, it just updated, I think around 24 June 2009...
  
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Heman Patel

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gregdbowen

OK - I know Google is like filling a swimming pool with bbs one bb at a time...

I am trying to do everything right - my Hubspot grade has gone from 21% to 53%

I have a blog, and try to post once a week or so. I try to say relevant things on relevant blogs - (and have learned so much doing this - something I didn't expect)

Got my redirect in, submitted a couple of articles, submitted to about 100 directories (or so) - tried to optimize for keywords that I can realistically go for.

PR 0

which is cool , I will keep trying to fill up the pool, and be active in the community, but thought I would see if any gurus had thoughts on any things that I can doing incorrectly or things that I am not doing.

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oh - and also - anyone know why the Hubspot grader say I have 7 inbound links and yahoo backlink check says I have 500?

Out of the 500 links, how many have pagerank? I have a blog with less than 10 links but all the links are PR3+ and my blog pagerank is PR2.

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younghamir 15 years ago

hi terry, is this true? they are only updating 4 times a yr. i have a blog with pr1. actually i dont know how i did it.
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- Smokey_Joe 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by younghamir
  
  hi terry, is this true? they are only updating 4 times a yr. i have a blog with pr1. actually i dont know how i did it.
  
  Well, it seems to have changed as of now (we all have noticed abnormal google activity this spring/summer).
  
  How you did it? Links is the answer .
  
  @ op: you might have to wait until pagerank data is exported to the toolbar again - but that's in case you have links that have some pagerank to transfer. Anyway I wouldn't get so hung up on pagerank issues because there are other indicators of success which are way more illustrative of whether you have chosen the right strategies.
  
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gregdbowen

15 years ago

Peter- thanks for the tip! I will definitely try that!

Actually, all my links are from decent page ranked sites, thatwas one of the critria I used when picking them.

4 times a year, eh? That makes sense.

I will keep plugging away - thx.

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gregdbowen

15 years ago

Correct, the only useful feature in the green bar is to ask for link exchange. pagerank updates once googlebots catch the IBLs, while the toolbar just shows an snapview of the pagerank of the page quarterly.
The same goes for the link: command.

Found this on another forum- looked interesting. Because my Google inbound links are not showing up - but they are on yahoo - that is another thing I am having trouble figuring out.

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kkchoon

15 years ago

Few things to help you rank well and get page rank:

1. Quality links, high PR quality links and a lot of them! (500 is nothing...)
2. Your content to attract natural links..
3. Mixing of links, to get higher ranking, you need to mix as many sources of links as possible... not just related niche, but all over the net for high PR links.

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gregdbowen

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kkchoon

Few things to help you rank well and get page rank:

1. Quality links, high PR quality links and a lot of them! (500 is nothing...)
2. Your content to attract natural links..
3. Mixing of links, to get higher ranking, you need to mix as many sources of links as possible... not just related niche, but all over the net for high PR links.

how many links do you suppose I need for a PR rank of 1? 2?

And what is up with the google backlink check. I just looked again, and they have every post I have made to one blog - nothing special about the blog, it has a decent PR - it is like it crawled that one site only. I have been at this a few months and hit that blog just like all the others - Is Google just backlogged, and I can assume that the other links will show in their backlink check eventually, but it takes time?

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gregdbowen

how many links do you suppose I need for a PR rank of 1? 2?

It only takes one link from a high PR authority page to get a PR 1 or 2 ,not that that will mean much, PR has little bearing on how much traffic you will get from the search engines.

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gregdbowen

15 years ago

when you say a link from a PR of 1 or 2 - does that include a link posted on a blog? Are those links treated differently?

Yes - I understand that PR has limited value - I thought it had bearing on where you were listed in the organic rankings - which in turn would affect traffic.

I understand the concept of write good content and you will attract people through other channels - but as far as Google organic search - in bound links seems are a primary indicator, no?

Are Google's organic results and PR not related in a significant way?

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dburk

15 years ago

Originally Posted by gregdbowen

when you say a link from a PR of 1 or 2 - does that include a link posted on a blog? Are those links treated differently?

Yes - I understand that PR has limited value - I thought it had bearing on where you were listed in the organic rankings - which in turn would affect traffic.

I understand the concept of write good content and you will attract people through other channels - but as far as Google organic search - in bound links seems are a primary indicator, no?

Are Google's organic results and PR not related in a significant way?

Hi gregbowen,

Blogs are not treated differently by search engines, as far as search engines are concerned they are all just web pages.

Inbound links are important for ranking in SERP, just as internal link structure, on page optimization and other traffic promotion methods, but not for the reasons many folks think. Relevance is the key qualitative factor and many folks totally disregard relevance when working on these optimization elements.

If you focus on how you can improve your pages relevance for a keyword using the above mention optimization elements you will find your pages outranking many other competitors that just don't get it.

If you want happy clients give them lots of targeted (relevant) traffic. Use traffic and conversions as the key metrics for your service, who cares if you have high PR or top rankings if you have no meaningful traffic, you have no sales.

Set goals for website traffic and do keyword research to find keywords that you can rank for, keep in mind that the more competitive the keyword the more time and effort it will take to achieve 1st page ranking. Be sure that you can access server logs or analytics data to track conversion rates for individual keywords. It's all boils down to return on investment, not PageRank.

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rankwarrior

15 years ago

Don't use pagerank as a metric, use rankings as a metric.

Pagerank is not regularly updated so its not worth chasing.

Would you rather have a PR6 site, with 10 converting customers a week ... or a PR1 site with 100 converting customers a week???

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Steven Heron

15 years ago

Greg,

As others have explained, the reason you don't have any "PR" is because none of the backlinks you acquired have any PR. This isn't necessarily a bad thing however, you can have a site ranked #1 under very competitive niches and still be PR0. The top sites under the search term "make money online" are PR2 & PR1 respectively.

If your aim is to increase your rankings, then don't rely solely on your PR. Acquiring a backlink from a domain that has high authority is the key to increasing your sites authority. Usually a domain with a high PR will have high authority, however you don't need to get a link from an actual page on that domain with any PR in order for that domain to pass authority to you.

For example, if you acquired a backlink from a PR0 page that was based on a PR8 domain (such as from a Squidoo lens), then the authority of the backlink you'd be receiving would still be from a "PR8 domain". If you had a few hundred of these PR0 backlinks from high authority domains, you'd be ranking well under your desired keyword terms, even though your Page Rank may still be 0.

So make it your goal to get links from high authority websites. Of course, a high PR does have some benefit, but this is usually over rated in all but the most competitive of niches.

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dburk 15 years ago

Hi gregdbowen,

You would be wise to listen to the advice given by rankwarrior and Steve Heron if your objective is to get targeted traffic to website. PageRank by its self does nothing to bring you targeted traffic.

Instead of focusing on the quantity of backlinks and pagerank, go for backlinks that have significant traffic that is highly targeted to the subject of your website. This will bring you ample targeted traffic to your web pages regardless of search engine traffic. The side benefit is that you will likely garner natural backlinks that money cannot buy and earn improved rankings in the SERP, which has infinitely more value than PR.
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brp002

15 years ago

You will def see your PR go up. Getting a PR 2 is very easy. Getting a 3 and up takes some effort and you have to be smart to do it. A PR 2 will get you some traffic but PR3 can start making you some decent money because you can start selling your links.

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gregdbowen 15 years ago

First of all,

Thank you all very much for your help - I have learned much from this post and will try to put it all to use.

A couple of things.

I am as much as anything trying to learn SEO to sell to my clients, and I get asked what the page rank of my site is - tired of saying 0. I can explain to them that page rank is not a good metric, but still.

All of the links I have been chasing are from blogs with good page rank - do these links not count somehow? I feel like I am missing something.
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kakarotoni

15 years ago

just make sure the links are relevant and the links on the site have a good PR at least,

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15 years ago

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Steven Heron

15 years ago

Greg,

Inbound links are indeed the primary indicator of ranking, not content, however it still seems you place far too much emphasis on the "PR" of inbound links. Once again, the value is determined by the authority of the website linking to you, and its relevancy, and not by the PR of the page you receive the link from. I'll point you again to the example of PR1 & PR2 sites ranking above PR7 sites for competitive keyword terms. PR is really not that important at all.

If you plan on selling your services, and your clients ask you "what is your PR", you can educate them on how little PR really matters, as opposed to reinforcing their false belief as to how SEO works.

If PR really, really is of such importance to you, then I'll ask you this - do you have the Google Toolbar installed so that you can view the actual PR of the pages you're receiving links from? You'll need to get a link from at least one page that has a PR3, with under 100 other links on the same page, in order for you to get a PR1.

I'll give you a link to a page that has a PR6 if you like, and you can post your link to that and get an instant PR4 next toolbar update, how about that? A pity it won't help with your rankings though.

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gregdbowen

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Heron

Greg,

Inbound links are indeed the primary indicator of ranking, not content, however it still seems you place far too much emphasis on the "PR" of inbound links. Once again, the value is determined by the authority of the website linking to you, and its relevancy, and not by the PR of the page you receive the link from. I'll point you again to the example of PR1 & PR2 sites ranking above PR7 sites for competitive keyword terms. PR is really not that important at all.

If you plan on selling your services, and your clients ask you "what is your PR", you can educate them on how little PR really matters, as opposed to reinforcing their false belief as to how SEO works.

If PR really, really is of such importance to you, then I'll ask you this - do you have the Google Toolbar installed so that you can view the actual PR of the pages you're receiving links from? You'll need to get a link from at least one page that has a PR3, with under 100 other links on the same page, in order for you to get a PR1.

I'll give you a link to a page that has a PR6 if you like, and you can post your link to that and get an instant PR4 next toolbar update, how about that? A pity it won't help with your rankings though.

Hey steve - thanks for the useful post!

What my clients want is to raise up in Google's organic search rankings. I am trying to do this for my own site both to garner business for myself and to show my clients that this is really possible.

Are their other ways to determine the authority other than the PR of the page - just search them and see how high they rank?

I understand relevancy, and yes I have google toolbar installed and only go for relevant link from sites that have as high of a PR as possible. I did NOT know that it mattered how many other links their were on the page.

I totally get you about competitive keywords and PR1 & 2 sites ranking better than PR7 sites in some instances, and will do more research into this. Having examples to show will help. Working in advertising, I find people really respond to graphs and simplified representations of data. And they see Google as an authority and are going to think that that green bar is there for a reason. And I will have a much easier time explaining to them that PR doesn't matter if I have a decent PR, no?

So, no, I am not trying to perpetuate myths, only trying to become more knowledgeable and make a decent showing for the keywords I am targeting. As far as that goes, I have chosen keyword phrases that are very relevant to my niche that get decent traffic, but look reasonable to attain.

And I am trying to build relevant content as time permits.

So - totally rambling, but what I can put to use is now not only look for sites with high PR, that are also relevant. but also pages with the fewest number of links.

And yes, definitely, if you have a site where I can post to see a bump in my PR that would be awesome!

Oh, and I have heard mixed things about nofollow blogs - I have some that I hit, and others.

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fabcsaby

15 years ago

Are your articles unique?

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kameleon 15 years ago

Google PageRank is not the most important factor you should take into account. Number of visitors on your web site doesn't depent much on Page Rank, but on some other factors.
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Cerberus

15 years ago

How long had it been up? The toolbar PR is only updated several time a year so it just might not be updated yet

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webmatic

15 years ago

You never know about google because it is sometimes very much unpredictable and you can't even understand what you are lacking so try to fill the swimming pool more and more until water splits outside :p
Also make sure your content is unique and you are really trying to get right backlinks as well.
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masbudz

15 years ago

I learnt something from you Peter. Thanks..

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