Do deindexed links still pass juice? My results

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Campbell24

On one of my networks, I have:

8 money sites each with about 20 homepage PBN links.

Over the past 2 months, roughly half of my PBN sites have been deindexed.

The rankings for the money sites have not fallen from top positions, however.

I'm planning on trying to replace these deindexed links with links on my other network(still indexed).

However, I'd like to hear other people's experience with this. Should I put the deindexed sites "down" or leave them up? It seems like they might still pass juice even though it seems like they would not.

I had a few of my network sites deindexed but only a small fraction so first off I'd like to send you commiserations for losing so many of yours.

Just as when links are first created, the effect on rankings takes time when you lose the links (or in your case have them deindexed). It might be that Google just works slower than you think and that your rankings will eventually drop or it could be that Rand was on to something when he talked about link echoes.

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tyler25

10 years ago

No, deindexed links will not pass link juice. Besides, you don't want any link juice from a link that has been deindexed.

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SEO Eddie

10 years ago

I don't think it's a good idea to have deindexed sites linking to your money site. It's not going to do any good for the trust of your site.

And if you've lost half of your PBN over 2 months, you really need to take a good look at what you're doing there.

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PBN301

10 years ago

I don't know if being de-indexed makes it different but several times I've experienced no drop in rankings months after I have removed high PR links from a site

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Rank Watch

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Campbell24

On one of my networks, I have:

8 money sites each with about 20 homepage PBN links.

Over the past 2 months, roughly half of my PBN sites have been deindexed.

The rankings for the money sites have not fallen from top positions, however.

I'm planning on trying to replace these deindexed links with links on my other network(still indexed).

However, I'd like to hear other people's experience with this. Should I put the deindexed sites "down" or leave them up? It seems like they might still pass juice even though it seems like they would not.

I think you should put the deindexed sites down before the sites cause any problem and replace them with the indexed site.

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webmarke

10 years ago

Your deindexed site is not passing you any link juice. The reason your ranking have not been hurt is probably because google never gave you positive link juice from these sites. If they found it spammy months before they deindexed it, then those links were not helping your site anyway.

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Campbell24

10 years ago

Thanks for the thoughts guys. @webmarke these are definitely non spammy good links(at least before they got deindexed).

Just so you guys know I'm not an idiot and have been doing SEO for years and am aware of anything that has ever been said about the "quality" of your PBNs- never had to deal with deindexed links though.

Just a heads up to everyone even if you are avoiding all of the known footprints google is now finding PBNs like a motherf****r and destroying them all.

It doesn't matter if you covered your:
-whois
-hosting
-unique content
-all of the other 500 things I've heard before

Don't believe me just watch

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Campbell24

It doesn't matter if you covered your:
-whois
-hosting
-unique content
-all of the other 500 things I've heard before

Don't believe me just watch

A few things

1) They ARE targeting IPs and servers that have alot of PBNs. First it was SEO hosting but now its more than that - looking for patterns on servers regardless if they are SEO hosts.

2) Unique content does not mean squat. It NEVER EVER DID. Unique content is just something IMers say to kid themselves their garbage smells better than every one elses. Who cares if its unique. Nonsense is often unique. What should be the case and almost no one is doing is BELIEVABLE CONTENT - the site looks and reads like its a real site

500, 1,000 word articles on a blog are NOT believable

Who in the world but a marketer starts a blog to write articles???? People start blogs to share about their life, their family or a given cause or interest. PERIOD. Businesses will blog about their company and offerings.

How many PBNS read like that? close to zero

3) FrontPagitis is a footprint

Had a customer write our support recently complaining that wordpress stripped out his link on the front page (common issue). he then proceeded to tell our support that the link was worthless if it did not appear on the home page where the juice is. Almost al PBN site owners act like this is true and so PBNs always tend to be thin (who cares about the other pages if they think the home page is where all the juice is) which you guessed it - makes that a footprint.

4) You can't dress up recommending Hitler.

The number one footprint no one wants to talk about or admit is their "money site". I don't care what you try and do with your PBNs if they are linking to your sites that even your Mom wouldn't read much less recommend then the link itself is unbelievable and is a footprint. Some keywords are just obvious and nothing will hide the intent of that anchor text

PBNs are not going anywhere but Google's strategy is simple - Raise the difficulty level high enough to a point where the ordinary marketer isn't willing to go and slap the junk out of them when they take the short cut.
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The Oilman

10 years ago

I have lost sites too in mid august.
HAve you come to any conclusions on how they find them?

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Campbell24

10 years ago

Nobody has it figured out yet but they are definitely concentrating their deindexing activity in the area of certain IPs. Certain cheap web hosting accounts- and also most seo hosting services got completely wiped out.

They are always manually reviewed.

The thing is even if you are covering all of these cute little "footprints" just think how freaking OBVIOUS a PBN is by nature. I'm sure there will be a way to get around it but will likely involve rebuilding the sites exactly like you find them in archive.org and putting them on a fully dedicated server.

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cbpayne

10 years ago

What would you do if you were Google:
1) not pass link juice from a deindexed site
2) penalize sites that the deindexed site links to

How tempted would you be to do (2)?

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anwar001

10 years ago

You are better off removing the links of your money site from the deindexed sites. Maybe your PBN sites got de-indexed because of the kind of backlinks you were building to them. One of my friends built a high quality network and was seeing good ranking improvements through those links but he did a big mistake. The mistake was building some sort of mass links like 1000 wiki links or such which got the whole network de-indexed.

Sometimes, people do such things. They try to hit up the high PR PBN sites with backlinks out of fear that the sites might drop in PR if they don't get consistent links.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by anwar001

You are better off removing the links of your money site from the deindexed sites. Maybe your PBN sites got de-indexed because of the kind of backlinks you were building to them. One of my friends built a high quality network and was seeing good ranking improvements through those links but he did a big mistake. The mistake was building some sort of mass links like 1000 wiki links or such which got the whole network de-indexed.

Sometimes, people do such things. They try to hit up the high PR PBN sites with backlinks out of fear that the sites might drop in PR if they don't get consistent links.

Very good point, and something you do see alot. To the point where public blog network link sellers having it as punishable in their ToS.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

I'll share a little trick with you about PBNs, build real network sites that rank their own pages.

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