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Real PBN Hosting That Will Take Us Out Of bad IPs

by Campbell24
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I want to keep this thread focused on the topic of IP quality. Let's not make this about a million theories about why blog network sites are getting deindexed now more than ever- because I know everyone is eager to share their completely unproven expertise on knowing Google's exact algorithm.

One thing I have factually seen is that getting a PBN deindexed has almost EVERYTHING to do with the IP it is on.

For example, I had 8 sites on an SEO hosting service and every single one of them got deindexed- blatantly obvious that it was because of the hosting. Everyone has been saying that SEO hosting services are pure shit so obviously that is nothing new.

I hosted another 100 sites on cheap individual web hosts.

I have had about half of them deindexed, and HERE IS WHAT HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE TIME:

One site gets deindexed. Two weeks later, another site on that same host gets deindexed. A week later, the third site I had on that same host gets deindexed. (timespan made just for example- and I have 3 networks so these are not linking to the same money site- proving that they are concentrating their deindexing activity on certain IPs)

I had 3 sites each deindexed off all these cheap hosts- and none on the other cheap hosts I have. My point is it is a BLATANT pattern.

02HOSTING.COM
MEGAWORLDHOSTING.COM
STABLEPAGES.COM
HOBOHOST.COM
LEVELHOSTING.CA
BELTHOSTING.COM
blackcows.net
centralhosts.net
securedragon.net
tuguhost.com/weloveservers.net
webup247.biz
rshosting.com
hawkhost

It is really weird and there are certain hosts that do not seem to have gotten any PBN deindexing- for example Hostgator is one I have confimed and several other people have as well.

Anyways, let's talk on this thread about what actually matters, which is how the hell do we get hosts that are not shitty IPs? I'd be willing to shell out $20/month per PBN site host- but it seems that simply spending more money on a host does not guarantee anything.

DEDICATED IP ON REGULAR CHEAP SHARED HOSTING ACCOUNT

On most of these cheap shared hosts you can get a dedicated IP for an additional $3/month. But it is only seperate from their regular shared hosting account(with all the other spammy sites) by the D-Class. So if their shared hosting account is xxx.xx.xxx.5 your dedicated IP is just xxx.xx.xxx.6. Do you guys think that will make a difference?

DEDICATED SERVER

Wholesaleinternet has a dedicated server for $20/month. I don't know shit about dedicated servers or anything about how hosting blocks are sold off to other people- but it seems that people are buying these and reselling them to a bunch of other spammy site hosters? Will the server I order be distinctly different from the next spammy guy over by more than a D class?

https://www.wholesaleinternet.net/dedicated/

So how do we for sure go up in quality(far away from neighboring spam sites) when choosing hosting? Let's say we have $20 to spend per host/month or even more- is it even possible?
#hosting #ips #pbn #real #shitty
  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    Originally Posted by Campbell24 View Post


    It is really weird and there are certain hosts that do not seem to have gotten any PBN deindexing- for example Hostgator is one I have confimed and several other people have as well.
    So why not go with Hostgator? price don't even go up to 20$ per month there.

    Generally, the cheaper the host the shittier it is, there may be some gems out there but 99% of the time cheap hosting always equals to cheap service.
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  • Profile picture of the author Campbell24
    We need to be able to get multiple hosts that satisfy some requirement in terms of no spammy neighbors/ip sharers. So hostgator is just one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    For the record, some of my PBN was deindexed, and some of the sites resided on Hostgator, Godaddy, Site5 and Siteground - the more expensive hosts offering memcaching etc.

    I'm thinking about renting a dedicated server direct from a data center and having 50-100 allocated IP's. The cost is most likely $500/month for 100 sites, but may be worth a test.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      For the record, some of my PBN was deindexed, and some of the sites resided on Hostgator, Godaddy, Site5 and Siteground - the more expensive hosts offering memcaching etc.

      I'm thinking about renting a dedicated server direct from a data center and having 50-100 allocated IP's. The cost is most likely $500/month for 100 sites, but may be worth a test.
      You link out to the exact same sites on each of your PBN sites, that's enough of a footprint.

      @OP: I've been moving sites from A-class SEO hosting to regular shared hosting for a few months already, almost done, and I obvious agree that SEO hosts are way more sensitive to deindexation. Google just picks one of the SEO hosting providers and they do their thing.

      Have to say I did lose a handful of sites that are hosted on shared hosting (Hostgator included) but those numbers are 20 times lower then the ones on SEO hosting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        You link out to the exact same sites on each of your PBN sites, that's enough of a footprint.
        I think most people do though. We're talking about affiliate marketers, people who focus on a handful of properties and rank them - not link sellers like yourself. If I sold links, then obviously my PBN would have a different set of links.

        My PBN wasn't taken down due to some algorithm, it was a manual review. If a manual reviewer comes across your network, it will be taken down. Doesn't matter if there's 300 posts on a site or 6 - it's obvious to a reviewer.

        As mentioned here previously several times, it isn't feasible for me to build actual web properties, with factual information, hiding money site links in content. It takes too much effort and time, especially when new sites for your PBN aren't hard to come by at all.

        At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what hosting you're on. A manual reviewer is going to see the obvious and deindex it/take action. I just believe you get some reviewers who go all the way and try to pull down a whole network, while others just deindex the one site and move on.

        If a manual reviewer came across one of your PBN sites tomorrow, all they would do is:

        Export all external links to a file.
        Check all backlinks for those external websites.
        (at this point, your whole PBN is discovered).
        Quality check each of your PBN sites.
        Deindex the whole lot.

        No hosting is going to change that.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          I think most people do though. We're talking about affiliate marketers, people who focus on a handful of properties and rank them - not link sellers like yourself. If I sold links, then obviously my PBN would have a different set of links.

          My PBN wasn't taken down due to some algorithm, it was a manual review. If a manual reviewer comes across your network, it will be taken down. Doesn't matter if there's 300 posts on a site or 6 - it's obvious to a reviewer.

          As mentioned here previously several times, it isn't feasible for me to build actual web properties, with factual information, hiding money site links in content. It takes too much effort and time, especially when new sites for your PBN aren't hard to come by at all.

          At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what hosting you're on. A manual reviewer is going to see the obvious and deindex it/take action. I just believe you get some reviewers who go all the way and try to pull down a whole network, while others just deindex the one site and move on..
          It's about footprints and SEO hosting is a huge one as well as having the same OBL on each network site, and one that gets detected automatically, and whether it then gets done automatically or that reviewers are alerted about it doesn't matter at that point.

          If all my sites were on SEO hosting I would already have lost about 70 percent of them while in fact I only lost about 10 percent of sites over the timestack of 2.5 years.

          Having all your sites on a very limited set of hosts is another huge footprint that makes is very easy for Google to take you down.

          Every serieus PBN builder knows that he has to avoid footprints to prevent getting busted.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            I'm looking into cloud solutions with the idea being that a lot of the cheaper hosts provide services to web sites Googe doesn't care much about. If you are on Azure or Amazon etc you are sharing infrastructure with some pretty reputable sites.

            I look up whois history on some sites and just by the nameservers I can tell the domain changed hands to a marketer.
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            • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              I'm looking into cloud solutions with the idea being that a lot of the cheaper hosts provide services to web sites Googe doesn't care much about. If you are on Azure or Amazon etc you are sharing infrastructure with some pretty reputable sites.

              I look up whois history on some sites and just by the nameservers I can tell the domain changed hands to a marketer.
              Like I said previously, I'm looking into a dedicated server with a data centre provider such as Rackspace, and then simply paying for dedicated IP's. If I can get the IP's for $2 a pop, that'll work out cheaper than SEO hosting, and all my sites will be backed by a dedicated server directly in a data centre - which surely shouldn't look like "seo hosting".
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                Like I said previously, I'm looking into a dedicated server with a data centre provider such as Rackspace, and then simply paying for dedicated IP's. If I can get the IP's for $2 a pop, that'll work out cheaper than SEO hosting, and all my sites will be backed by a dedicated server directly in a data centre - which surely shouldn't look like "seo hosting".
                Google has other ways besides IPs to determine you are on the same box. People need to get beyond the idea of IPs plus most reputable hosts will not give you the necessary amount of the right kind of IPs
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by Campbell24 View Post

    cheap - cheap cheap - CHEAP - cheap
    And you say: it's the hosting that's hitting you with footprints?

    Here's your's and pretty much 99% of the guys I see the same stuff from's footprints.

    YOU TREAT YOUR NETWORKS LIKE CRAP

    That's all your footprints bundled up into one phrase for you.

    You buy cheap domains, put them on cheap hosting, with cheap content, with free themes, with cheap/stolen if any design, without any thought other then getting the links in and moving on.

    Look at the freelancer.com PBN being built around you. See the difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Look at the freelancer.com PBN being built around you. See the difference.
      Lol, but the freelancer link is nofollow.

      Maybe that was outsourced?
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol, but the freelancer link is nofollow.

        Maybe that was outsourced?
        Dooh..But I think you get my point to a point.

        Let's be fair..I've made my fair share of stinkers and then some. But time after time your thnking, "why am I burning something that costs me time and money like that?". I don't buy pos domains though, and that plays a big part in wanting to keep them protected.

        Anything I've not treated well dies off, and anything I have. Has stayed strong. So I don't have to get those links again. Good content, will still be good tomorrow. And I get to spread the risk around more.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Dooh..But I think you get my point to a point.

          Let's be fair..I've made my fair share of stinkers and then some. But time after time your thnking, "why am I burning something that costs me time and money like that?". I don't buy pos domains though, and that plays a big part in wanting to keep them protected.

          Anything I've not treated well dies off, and anything I have. Has stayed strong. So I don't have to get those links again. Good content, will still be good tomorrow. And I get to spread the risk around more.
          It's funny nofollow the link.

          This forum is all out of whack with links, not a good example to follow for SEO.

          I get what your saying about the PBN sites. All my sites funnel traffic back to my main sites sales pages, matter of fact I also rank PBN pages for same/similar keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul1365
    Don't you think that Google's IT professionals know our game and have $$$ to research what we all doing with our PBN. they read our blogs, our forums and other underground tactics to see what we up to? Just a thought.
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