New Bump Rules for Other Website Products & Services Section

9 years ago

Hi Maulana,

I understand what you are saying, however, the way it works is once your offer is moved to page 2 then you can bump, the length of time is determined by threads added to the front page.

There is no need to bump until it is moved to page 2, this is also a good thing so people don't have an unfair advantage. imo

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Daniel Evans

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Maulana

Hi, I have a thread in this section and it took me 3 weeks for this thread to be moved to the page 2 before I can bump this thread again.

I believe 3 weeks for a single bump would be too long. I would suggest that we can bump in this section after some days has passed, for example in every 5 days we can bump our thread in here.

Does not compute.

That's three weeks of page 1 exposure.

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Paul Myers

9 years ago

Daniel

90% of which is below the fold, and surrounded currently by 25 first page offers by a single competitor. I see his point...

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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

File reports on those Verena threads, and keep filing reports on those threads, until they take action as she is in serious violation of rule #22. Sooner or later they may get around to enforcing the rule.

Rule #22: Offers on First Page

Sellers may only have 3 threads on the first page of the WSO Marketplace and applicable sub-forums. Sellers are permitted to have 4th offer on the first page if it is listed as a Sticky thread. All offers must be unique.

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-don

Edit: After rereading #22 I see that section is exempt from the rule.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

File reports on those Verena threads, and keep filing reports on those threads, until they take action as she is in serious violation of rule #22. Sooner or later they may get around to enforcing the rule.

Cheers

-don

They get around that by saying that section isn't "lucrative" enough to fall under the rules, except for the do not bump until 2nd page rule.

Verena can and has spammed that forum for years now. Now, with Freemarket spamming the first 1/3 of it, and Verena with the rest of it, the section is useless for those who have been advertising there for years profitably.

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Kay King

9 years ago

He definitely has a point - but rule #22 specifically leaves out that particular forum section.

Allowing a section of the forum to be totally dominated by one person's ads is a bad choice to me - but I guess money is money.

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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

Has Alaister or Daniel publicly stated that this section is exempt from rule #22?

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-don

Edit: Deleted part of my post after rereading #22.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

Has Alaister or Daniel stated that this section is exempt from rule #22 publicly?

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-don

Daniel stated it publicly when I asked specifically about Verena's listings and the number of them there on the front page.

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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Daniel stated it publicly when I asked specifically about Verena's listings and the number of them there on the front page.

Do you have a thread link? Or are you speaking of private message public?

If that's the case then they should delete that rule here:

Warrior Forum - The #1 Internet Marketing Forum & Marketplace - Announcements in Forum : Other Website Products & Services

I wonder how long it will take to delete the rule from that post if it's not applicable. 10 seconds?

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-don

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

Do you have a thread link? Or are you speaking of private message public? If that's the case then they should delete that rule here:

Warrior Forum - The #1 Internet Marketing Forum & Marketplace - Announcements in Forum : Other Website Products & Services

I wonder how long it will take to delete the rule from that post if it's not applicable. 10 seconds?

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-don

Interesting that it would be in there. He said it in a thread, but I don't remember which one now. It was probably a month or so ago. I was particularly interested in that topic as I've mentioned it before to previous moderators. When I saw that rule, I asked if it applied to that section. He said no ... that section wasn't [word similar to solvent] enough to apply the rule to it.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

I just found it Don

http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ml#post9775927

Thanks for your feedback. We definitely have every intention of enforcing the rules.

Initially Rule #22 will be rolled out in the WSO Marketplace, Warriors for Hire & Warrior Forum Classified Ads. Other Products & Services is a sub-forum where there currently is not enough liquidity for us to roll out the new rule immediately, but is something we will be keeping an eye on. I have updated the rules to make this clearer.

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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

Thanks for the link, Suzanne. Yeah, Freelancer and Verena do have that sub-forum well covered.

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-don

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Kay King 9 years ago

I was referring to the second part of #22....

"Applicable marketplaces: WSO Marketplace, Warriors for Hire, Warrior Classified Ads."

Seems clear to me they deliberately have not included that section in the requirements of rule #22.

From Suzanne's post, that second part appears to be clarification of a previously asked question.
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ForumGuru

Banned 9 years ago

Yeah, Kay, somehow I missed that "Applicable marketplace" sentence. Anyway, like others, I think that section was devalued considerably for the advertisers when Freelancer took all of the space above the fold. Allowing one person to dominate what's left of the section does not seem to be the way to go.

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-don

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ForumGuru

Yeah Kay, somehow I missed that "Applicable marketplace" sentence. Anyway, like others, I think that section was devalued considerably for the advertisers when Freelancer took all of the space above the fold. Allowing one person to dominate what's left of the section does not seem to be the way to go.

Cheers

-don

I think that there's been a big decline in advertisers. There were two killers. Changing the name from Complete Sites for Sale because of Freemarket and then the enormous amount of space that Freemarket feels it needs to encroach on advertising space.

Since then, the section barely moves. Verena always posts two at a time and has 26 listings currently on the front page. That leaves 29 for everyone else. I imagine a lot of people have simply stopped advertising there. I have reduced mine drastically.

Impossible to see numbers for that section, as the front page doesn't show visitors for those sections, but my guess is that with the new demographics of the site, that there are far fewer buyers and visitors to that section.

That's what I'm sensing from my own listings anyway.

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Kay King

9 years ago

Don -

I've looked closer at the ads there and I can understand leaving that section off the #22 rule for now.

The big complaint is that one person has so many ads there but I looked into what she's offering - and it's a good offer especially for new marketers.

It's the kind of offer the WF probably WANTS in that section (as are sites Suzanne sells) - with full instructions and information and help available for buyers.

One of the things Allen did way back when he was ready to start charging for WSOs in the first place (they used to be free, guys) was to post about how much some people were earning through that WSO section.

His point was that members using this forum as part of their business were making money. Seems to me that's what the "frequent seller" in the section discussed above is doing. Giving people what they want and adding support - and the reviews from buyers appear to be good.

Applying a rule just to apply it might not make sense if what you do is limit offers of a successful person who is providing a decent product and has good reviews from buyers. Looks like about half the income in that section (for the WF) comes from that one business person.

I think changing the name of that section was a mistake and the FL ads are over the top.

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Don -

I've looked closer at the ads there and I can understand leaving that section off the #22 rule for now.

The big complaint is that one person has so many ads there but I looked into what she's offering - and it's a good offer especially for new marketers.

It's the kind of offer the WF probably WANTS in that section (as are sites Suzanne sells) - with full instructions and information and help available for buyers.

Applying a rule just to apply it might not make sense if what you do is limit offers of a successful person who is providing a decent product and has good reviews from buyers. Looks like about half the income in that section (for the WF) comes from that one business person.

I think changing the name of that section was a mistake and the FL ads are over the top.

The same could be said for the WSO section. There used to be plenty of good offers that were good for newbies and good for the WF with plenty of happy customers, yet the rule exists there for some reason.

Verena could easily offer the same sites the same way I did when I offered the sites singly, and that is ... put 4-6 of them on one page.

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