What forums/sub-forums are needed or not needed?

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There's quite a few forums, and frankly I'm not sure that they're all necessary. Some of them kind of overlap, for example "Pay Per Click/Search Engine Marketing (PPC/SEM)" and "Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM)". Some of them don't really get used much, or for their original purpose, e.g. the Freemarket one. Which ones do you think we should add, remove, or merge?
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Please keep Offline Marketing and the Copy Writing sections. They have a ton of gold in the pages. They have been here a long time and some great stuff is still posted in both.
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

    There's quite a few forums, and frankly I'm not sure that they're all necessary. Some of them kind of overlap, for example "Pay Per Click/Search Engine Marketing (PPC/SEM)" and "Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM)".



    No, No, No...

    SEO and PPC are not even remotely the same subjects.

    Please do not combine anything else with the SEO forum, you'll only create a cluster $#@% mess and confuse noobs.
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I would start with dropping
    • Growth Hacking
    • Conversion Rate Optimization
    • Reciprocal Links
    • Mobile Marketing
    • Freemarket.com Discussion

    Pay Per Click/Search Engine Marketing (PPC/SEM) and Ad Networks (CPM/CPL, Display, SEM) could probably stay. They are fairly different from one another and completely different skill sets, but I would drop the SEM from the Ad Networks.
  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    I would also change this Best Online Resources to a newbie find it thread , just do a total overhaul of the place

    This would be great for newbies to start here and then after 50 posts they can post on the main board and other sub forums as I think this will cut down on all the crap posts of late

    and members can go there to answer a post should they wish or the mod could answer or direct them to a thread in the sub forum
    Thoughts
    Jason
    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      This would be great for newbies to start here and then after 50 posts they can post on the main board and other sub forums as I think this will cut down on all the crap posts of late
      The 50 post thing usually just brings about more spam or useless one-liners as people try to get to that artificial number. It just results in more work for the mods and more garbage for everyone to sift through.
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    To be honest it would be a lot easier to just look at the site analytics.

    You (OP) also need to ask yourself why is a sub-forum dead? Is it because it's not optimized or nobody cares?
    • Profile picture of the author IMReviews7
      Yukon, has been an active member on the SEO forum for years so I'm sure he would be reluctant to see any changes come to it.

      SEM and PPC are similar and should have no problem merging. The idea about observing the analytics is a good consideration.

      My speculation, I don't think it has as much to do with optimization but more so that many original Warrior Forum members have left with the changes in the community. Community like habitats are very fragile; a distortion (even if it may seem like a positive modernization) can cause a lot of the original wild life to die (but new ones come too).

      My two cents however that many of the current members seem to be a different group of contributors that parrot replies. People come to the forum for value; if they don't see the value they want, they leave for other content like blogs.

      Having a lot of parrot replies makes the forum seem like spam to prospective members and marketers. Spam isn't simply viagra links. Spam can be copy and paste responses for the intent of backlinks or self promotion.

      This I would think is what has happened to the Warrior Forum. They want to consolidate the threads to keep those forums more active; few would want to talk in an echo chamber (unless you're the DNC or looking simply for signature links). Consolidation is one point, another point importantly is the quality of responses.
  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
    Banned
    I have always wished that there were a serious telemarketing sub-forum. I take a lot of heat for not posting information that might be more valuable to members, but I am formally retired and only pursue a few IM projects to keep my brain sharp and my WordPress skills up-to-date. Since my focus is not on making money through these projects, I don't have much to offer to help others in this regard.

    When I look back over my long life I readily see that the easiest money I ever made and my most lucrative years were those in which I had a phone in my hand and the big pay-off came when I graduated to running telemarketing rooms all across the country. It is an extremely rewarding way to make a living, especially when you take someone that never thought they could do it and turn them into a superstar.

    Unfortunately, most people regard telemarketing as either voodoo marketing or something that causes psychological paralysis. I get that, but that's unfortunate because it's something that 'almost' anyone can be trained to do and be successful at as the prerequisite skills required for success are minimal and possessed by almost everyone.

    Of course I realize that some people are more suited to it than others and although it may not be easy for some, it's simple for anyone to learn how to be successful at it. If you can follow a proven success formula and not deviate from it out of either boredom or thinking you can create a better script then the one I handed you, I can teach you how to make good money for yakking on the phone.

    When I look back over my long life I readily see that the easiest money I ever made and my most lucrative years were those in which I had a phone in my hand and the big pay-off came when I graduated to running telemarketing rooms all across the country. Granted, I have a gift and this was what I was born to do, but I can and have taught hundreds of people with zero skill at the company I worked for how to make $800 to $1000 every week, if they would simply dial the phone 100 times per day, in an effort to talk to 10 people and if they could do that, I could generally assure them of two sales per day, on average.

    Think about this. What other business can you have a 98% failure rate and bring home $1000 per week???

    Additionally, every time I read posts on this forum about people cold-calling on small businesses by stopping in, unannounced, I want to wretch. What a waste of time and effort. You can prospect 10x the number of people by using a phone, and if you learn how to do it, you will be amazed at how much work you can generate.

    So - anywhoooooo - I wish it was something you folks would consider. Just writing about it already has my juices flowing as there is nothing in the way of work that I have ever enjoyed more and once it's in your blood it's there forever.

    Being retired affords me much more time than I know what to do with, especially in the colder months. If this existed, I would try to contribute as much as possible and if I didn't think that I had any experience that could greatly benefit people, I wouldn't even mention it.

    Doing basically nothing all day isn't THAT bad. :-)

    Frank
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I think you need to add a NEW section - above the "main forum" - and titled "Welcome: New Members - Start Here". Got this idea from MikeF as he uses it on his forum.

    It's simple and has threads about rules for posting, rules for sigs, advice on navigating the forum, etc. Lock those threads so spammers can't post in them.

    It gives the new members rules in one easy place - it gives mods a place where they can link to a thread and say "these are the signature rules".

    I think overall we need fewer sections and several can be combined. I also think "challenges, etc", Classified Ads and WSOs should have an expiration date. Whether a time limit or time between posts or a limit to "bumps"...the current practice of "it runs forever" isn't good.

    Reported a WSO thread where the "partner" is someone permanently banned here for creating multiple accts. Must not be a problem as the thread is still active. Can I assume mods checked it and found it acceptable?
    The "seller" is a new member who launched a WSO the day he joined - the first testimonial is a 'new' member. So how does a "new member" find a banned member to arrange a partnership WSO? It appears payments go to the acct of the banned member. I'm not trying to "harm" someone's offer - but if a member is banned you have no leverage if buyers are taken advantage of or refunds not issued.
    • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
      Administrator
      Thanks for all the suggestions, we'll be making a number of these changes next week

      To address some concerns specifically:

      Originally Posted by Kay King

      I think you need to add a NEW section - above the "main forum" - and titled "Welcome: New Members - Start Here". Got this idea from MikeF as he uses it on his forum.
      Agreed. I'll work with the team to get this done next week, and we'll possibly add it to the nav as well.

      Originally Posted by Kay King

      I think overall we need fewer sections and several can be combined.
      This was really why I asked. I get the impression that over the years forums have been added, but never really deleted, and so it's getting more and more fragmented. I don't want to go through and make dramatic cuts, but I think there's some fat to trim (looking at you Freemarket.com).

      Originally Posted by Kay King

      I also think "challenges, etc", Classified Ads and WSOs should have an expiration date. Whether a time limit or time between posts or a limit to "bumps"...the current practice of "it runs forever" isn't good.
      Yeah I see what you mean here. Once we've dealt with some of the main issues on the community side (spam, feed v forum, excessive newbie posts, etc) we'll be working on the marketplaces. My expectation is that we'll start pushing some of those changes in about 2-3 weeks (I'll talk more about them before we do anything though).

      Originally Posted by Kay King

      Reported a WSO thread where the "partner" is someone permanently banned here for creating multiple accts. Must not be a problem as the thread is still active. Can I assume mods checked it and found it acceptable?
      Can you PM me a link to the WSO?

      Originally Posted by yukon

      To be honest it would be a lot easier to just look at the site analytics.
      That's the Freelancer way most of the time, my goal with WF is to be more consultative than we have been previously

      Originally Posted by yukon

      You (OP) also need to ask yourself why is a sub-forum dead? Is it because it's not optimized or nobody cares?
      I think some of the forums can have life breathed into them, but it's a question of resources. The WF team is not huge, so I'd rather contain our focus on what is working.

      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

      The 50 post thing usually just brings about more spam or useless one-liners as people try to get to that artificial number. It just results in more work for the mods and more garbage for everyone to sift through.
      As I've said before, I want to see if pointing newbies in the right direction works before we start restricting them. That said, if it comes to it we can avoid spam by using 'Thanks' and a PageRank style algorithm (i.e. being thanked by a bunch of fresh accounts with zero thanks themselves is near-worthless, but being thanked by Kay who has 10s of thousands of thanks would mean a lot).
  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    As I and many others have said repeatedly. Add a couple of sub forums to the Warroom. As it is now it is just a graveyard of forgotten WSO's so the warroom could have something like

    "Warroom Offers" "Warroom Marketing Talk" Warroom SEO" "Warroom Paid Ads"

    you get the idea. People pay for the warroom, make it worth the money

    al
    • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
      Administrator
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      As I and many others have said repeatedly. Add a couple of sub forums to the Warroom. As it is now it is just a graveyard of forgotten WSO's so the warroom could have something like

      "Warroom Offers" "Warroom Marketing Talk" Warroom SEO" "Warroom Paid Ads"

      you get the idea. People pay for the warroom, make it worth the money

      al
      Yep, this is on the agenda. We should be sorting this out early next week, we just need to be a little more delicate with the War Room so that we don't break anything.
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Spam isn't simply viagra links. Spam can be copy and paste responses for the intent of backlinks or self promotion.
    ...and there's a lot of that going on. Also an over abundance of those who expect to get rich without money or time or any risk at all....and their buddies who tell them "you can do it".

    Meanwhile - the old time members (many of them money-making, successful business folks) get banned for "attitude" - and the attitude is mostly frustration with what passes for 'quality' recently. For every long term member banned for being too outspoken...2-3 other 'old' members decide to back away.

    I'm talking about people who actually EARN money online day in and day out. They may be snarky at times - and they don't kowtow well - but they know what they are talking about when they answer a question here.

    I agree with segmenting the War Room - I just checked and there are 32 instances of "free" in titles on the first page in the WR ...it looks junky. No other way to describe it. If it is in the WAR ROOM - of course it's free!
  • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
    Administrator
    If I may join and just stir the pot a bit. Why do we need subforums at all? This is me putting my engineering hat on. Why not just dump all threads into one big pot and just make sure that threads are properly tagged and labeled so that users can just say pull up all threads relevant to 'SEO', or all threads relevant to 'Conversion Rate Optimization'. Currently, threads which may be relevant to both, must choose one and miss out on the other forum's audience.
    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Originally Posted by pauloadaoag View Post

      If I may join and just stir the pot a bit. Why do we need subforums at all? This is me putting my engineering hat on. Why not just dump all threads into one big pot and just make sure that threads are properly tagged and labeled so that users can just say pull up all threads relevant to 'SEO', or all threads relevant to 'Conversion Rate Optimization'. Currently, threads which may be relevant to both, must choose one and miss out on the other forum's audience.




      That would be complete chaos.

      It would be like going into Walmart and finding underwear and gas powered weed eaters next to the bologna. Hey, all the packages are properly labeled/tagged.
    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by pauloadaoag View Post

      If I may join and just stir the pot a bit. Why do we need subforums at all? This is me putting my engineering hat on. Why not just dump all threads into one big pot and just make sure that threads are properly tagged and labeled so that users can just say pull up all threads relevant to 'SEO', or all threads relevant to 'Conversion Rate Optimization'. Currently, threads which may be relevant to both, must choose one and miss out on the other forum's audience.
      Great idea. How soon will this be implemented?
  • Profile picture of the author Zoe_21
    @ Kay King
    Spam can be copy and paste responses for the intent of backlinks or self promotion.
    Especially when it is clear that their post hasnt been read by themselves or another human prior to posting.

    So obvious it has been placed in a 'spinner' for another computer to read and NOT to be read by humans.

    In fact, are they posts for the general forum or more of a blog posting or there to show how not to post in a forum?
    ___
    Can see that the active admins are taking action to restore
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If I can mention one more issue that needs to be addressed in some way. About a year ago there was a thread here about bumping old threads and we were told FL was working on a plan to stop that or at least limit it.

    Today - clicking on "new posts" - the first page of results showed this:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...builder-5.html (2012)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...ey-mobile.html (2015)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...rketing-8.html (2012)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...fee-niche.html (2014)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/ecommerc...ocommerce.html (2016)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tag-usage.html (2014)

    Surely there is a way to close or stop comments to threads over 1-2 years old. The argument "there may be something to add" doesn't work -most of the posts bumping old threads are promotional or spam or post count building by brand new members.

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