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View Parent Reply is not a quote

by yukon Banned
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View Parent Reply is not a quote.

Ugh... I really do hate to harp on this stuff but it's a horrible user experience, Geez, Cmon.

Seriously, do the people that keep coming up with these ideas use this forum (ever)?

Ok, I'm on Classic View of the forum, I want to know who someone is replying to, who did they qoute. I click the View Parent Reply and jump up the page, lose where I first started. WTH just happened? It's a jumbled mess and instantly lose train of thought about the thread subject.

Just make the quote button return a quote.

Why is this difficult?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I have to agree. It's so clunky looking. It makes zero sense. It is just awful.

    I think at this point you guys need to just kill the classic view. I think most of the users hate it and you will probably lose people over it, but for some reason you are sold on the modern view being better and killing that is not an option.

    Trying to make both work together is just not working and making both views worse.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I have to agree. It's so clunky looking. It makes zero sense. It is just awful.

      I think at this point you guys need to just kill the classic view. I think most of the users hate it and you will probably lose people over it, but for some reason you are sold on the modern view being better and killing that is not an option.

      Trying to make both work together is just not working and making both views worse.


      I agree, just nuke the classic view and be done with it.




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      This reply is my point here.

      So many inconsistencies, now it's view parent reply and a quote on one comment.

      Why would I view a parent reply when it's already quoted? Zero sense.

      ...but, a comment can also have a view parent reply without a quote.

      Ugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I'm not going to toggle back and forth a dozen times trying to follow a newbie's rambling posts. Now when I see the multiple one liners piling up in a thread - I move on.

    One admin has expressed a desire to go to feed view only - that will create a "Warrior Feed" rather than a Warrior Forum...and likely result in threads and posts only from newbies and mostly from non-EFL countries.

    In multiple threads new and old members have expressed their preference for classic view ("forum" view). The response from FL with the latest changes was to make it more difficult to FIND the classic view.

    If you are going to destroy readability of the classic view to accommodate newbies on the feed view - might as well make the change and get it over with.

    A prime example (you'll have to switch to classic to see the problem in full)....

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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      In multiple threads new and old members have expressed their preference for classic view ("forum" view). The response from FL with the latest changes was to make it more difficult to FIND the classic view.

      If you are going to destroy readability of the classic view to accommodate newbies on the feed view - might as well make the change and get it over with.

      A prime example (you'll have to switch to classic to see the problem in full)....

      http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...eo-expert.html
      If they kill the classic forum, a large group of members will leave. The thread you link to is horrible. Sadly nothing in the thread so far is going to help the the OP. With all the one liners and parroted comments.
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      • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
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        A prime example (you'll have to switch to classic to see the problem in full)....
        Sounds like somebody needs to use modern view.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
    May I respectfully offer a compromise that might keep everyone happy?

    I had already suggested a different presentation for the line that currently says "View Parent Reply".

    All that would be needed to avoid having to click back and forth would be to have a small pop-up appear when one hovers their cursor over that line, which would then display the first n characters of the post to which the current one replies. The link lets you go back and read the entire thing if necessary, but most of the time, it'd be enough to see the first few sentences.

    Look, gang, we finally got FL management to open up the lines of communication with Tim and company, and they've been making significant strides over recent weeks. Let's not go down the mutiny path again so quickly; maybe we can find a way to make this all work.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

      May I respectfully offer a compromise that might keep everyone happy?

      I had already suggested a different presentation for the line that currently says "View Parent Reply".

      All that would be needed to avoid having to click back and forth would be to have a small pop-up appear when one hovers their cursor over that line, which would then display the first n characters of the post to which the current one replies. The link lets you go back and read the entire thing if necessary, but most of the time, it'd be enough to see the first few sentences.

      Look, gang, we finally got FL management to open up the lines of communication with Tim and company, and they've been making significant strides over recent weeks. Let's not go down the mutiny path again so quickly; maybe we can find a way to make this all work.
      Nobody is going down any mutiny path. This is an issue that should be fixed in some way. It makes the forum almost unreadable if you are not using the modern view.

      It would seem to be to be much easier to just have the quote show, as it used to, instead of implementing something like you suggest, which will likely break something else.

      Really, it is time to just kill the classic view. It will make the tech and support people's jobs simpler. No more patching along the classic view to keep it working as they implement changes to the modern view. I imagine that the way it is now, when they fix something, they have to fix it twice to make sure it is working okay in both views.

      Most of the technical glitches that keep popping up seem to be caused by one view or the other. Just kill the classic view and stop tip-toeing around it.

      I cannot think of another site I have ever visited that has two completely different ways for viewing it.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Nobody is going down any mutiny path.
        Several people, including yourself, explicitly or implicitly state that people will leave if the classic view is removed. I actually agree, and I strongly suspect that Management does, as well. Perhaps "mutiny" is a bit of a strong word, but the underlying sentiment is there.

        I was just trying to offer a way that would mostly satisfy both sides.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Several people, including yourself, explicitly or implicitly state that people will leave if the classic view is removed. I actually agree, and I strongly suspect that Management does, as well. Perhaps "mutiny" is a bit of a strong word, but the underlying sentiment is there.

          I was just trying to offer a way that would mostly satisfy both sides.

          I understand that. But trying to satisfy both people who like the modern view and people who like the classic view is probably what is causing 90% of the technical glitches and user-interface problems that keep popping up, like this one.

          Since the owners like the modern view better and feel that it is superior, I think it is time to commit to it. Take the lumps, if they come, and move forward.
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          • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
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            Since the owners like the modern view better and feel that it is superior, I think it is time to commit to it. Take the lumps, if they come, and move forward.
            This has been raised multiple times but we value our old users too much (even if they don't believe it) to drop the classic view.
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        • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Several people, including yourself, explicitly or implicitly state that people will leave if the classic view is removed..
          I agree with your post about changing the "Parent Page". I dis-agree with just killing the classic view. Viewing this site on a desk top of lap top seems to be easier to view this place on froum view.It is just my opinion, some of the older viewers that like the classic view may leave if it was killed.

          Tim has done alot and so have a few others so not complaing about that. Tired of people that just want to say kill the classic and be done with it.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
            Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

            I agree with your post about changing the "Parent Page". I dis-agree with just killing the classic view. Viewing this site on a desk top of lap top seems to be easier to view this place on froum view.It is just my opinion, some of the older viewers that like the classic view may leave if it was killed.

            Tim has done alot and so have a few others so not complaing about that. Tired of people that just want to say kill the classic and be done with it.
            You and I are actually saying the exact same thing, on every one of your points.
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  • Profile picture of the author GlobalTrader
    Could the owners possibly consider a User Setting that would be defaulted to the new format but allow other users to revert to the older format?
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    • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
      Originally Posted by GlobalTrader View Post

      Could the owners possibly consider a User Setting that would be defaulted to the new format but allow other users to revert to the older format?
      They have this. It's at the bottom of the menu that drops down from your username at the top of the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Great conversations...




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    • Profile picture of the author pauloadaoag
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      Now isn't that a more compact and easy to read representation of the conversation?
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  • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
    The "View Parent Reply" button is intended as a stop-gap measure until we get time to put something better in. When we were deciding what to do here we looked at getting quotes to appear, but decided it would take longer than what we wanted to spend on this problem right now. The reality is there are a lot of things that need to be fixed across both versions, and we're going for quicker solutions where possible so that things at least work.

    Despite Paulo's enthusiasm for the modern view, we aren't going to kill classic. For that to happen I'd have to see it's use dwindle down to almost no users. What I would like to see though, is that our improvements to the modern view convince you guys to switch over (but I can understand that there's still a few advantages to classic over modern at the moment).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      Originally Posted by timokeefe View Post

      Despite Paulo's enthusiasm for the modern view, we aren't going to kill classic. For that to happen I'd have to see it's use dwindle down to almost no users. What I would like to see though, is that our improvements to the modern view convince you guys to switch over (but I can understand that there's still a few advantages to classic over modern at the moment).
      Won't the classic view's stats dwindle down naturally since all new users and visitors are exposed to the classic view first and they have to decide to make a change? I'd say the great majority of new users that came in the last year or so don't even know there is a classic view much less an option to change.

      If I was a new user and I saw the discussion such as "Looking for Classic View?" I wouldn't even know what that is or why I should be looking for anything so would probably ignore it. I'm posting my question on the page that was given to me.

      If you are going to use stats to make decisions, put the home page on a rotator (A/B testing type thing) and then see who decides to use which version.

      Otherwise, the game is rigged and you might as well pull the plug now because as the older users slowly go away for one reason or another, the stats will go down naturally.

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      • Profile picture of the author timokeefe
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        Won't the classic view's stats dwindle down naturally since all new users and visitors are exposed to the classic view first and they have to decide to make a change? I'd say the great majority of new users that came in the last year or so don't even know there is a classic view much less an option to change.

        If I was a new user and I saw the discussion such as "Looking for Classic View?" I wouldn't even know what that is or why I should be looking for anything so would probably ignore it. I'm posting my question on the page that was given to me.

        If you are going to use stats to make decisions, put the home page on a rotator (A/B testing type thing) and then see who decides to use which version.

        Otherwise, the game is rigged and you might as well pull the plug now because as the older users slowly go away for one reason or another, the stats will go down naturally.

        Mark
        While I'd like to be able to AB test the two variants and be done with it, it's unfortunately a little trickier than that. We could run an AB test on new users only, but all we could really test for would be user retention (post count, thanks count, and other things have quality issues), and the two variants would have the horrible property that they interact (i.e. classic users see modern posts and vice versa). Even if we determined that one was better for retention, it doesn't really give us a clear winner, as we also need to care about the variant that Google prefers, as well as ease of development and some other considerations. FWIW we haven't found a huge difference between the two for new user stats, and so the other considerations have driven the choice.
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