Established members only section

Profile picture of the author John Romaine by John Romaine Posted: 11/12/2012
I don't know if this will fly, but this forum would benefit greatly by having a dedicated forum that allows ESTABLISHED only members to interact without all the garbage.

This is where something meaningful and useful might get discussed, rather than the typical "I have $3, how can I make $50,000 by 6 o'clock tomorrow night?"

Ideally this would be by INVITE only, where members could invite other members.
#established #members #section

  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    visimedia
    wow, that's a very cool idea... it'll make the QnA to the higher level . Nice suggestion!
  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    Elion Makkink
    Good idea, but giving members the opportunity to invite each other will eventually lead to the 'garbage' you are referring to.

    Instead, let moderators review each applicant and have some criteria for joining the section.
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post
    Good idea, but giving members the opportunity to invite each other will eventually lead to the 'garbage' you are referring to.

    Instead, let moderators review each applicant and have some criteria for joining the section.
    Whatever man. Just so long as filters are set somewhere.
  • Profile picture of the author AdwordsMogul
    AdwordsMogul
    Yeah, this is something that would definitely make a difference.

    There are many members who are not really looking for "methods" to make money online. They have existing businesses and want unique ways to market them.

    So something like this would really help.

    Here is an important hint: it's already happening off the forum. There are more and more groups forming on Facebook and elsewhere.
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Originally Posted by AdwordsMogul View Post
    Here is an important hint: it's already happening off the forum. There are more and more groups forming on Facebook and elsewhere.
    Yep. IMSF is one of the biggest ones.
  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Fraggler
    Isn't that what mastermind groups are for? I think it would create an elitist attitude and will split the forum down the guts - ruining the experience for new members. If all the smart and experienced discussion is happening behind closed doors then who do the people want to grow learn from?
  • Profile picture of the author munneetree
    munneetree
    If the forum was composed of only the "Elite," it would be case of the elite inner circle helping each other get richer and richer, while those who need advice and help get poorer and poorer.
    I agree that such a forum would need moderation to weed out the garbage. As it has been pointed out that there are forums on Facebook that do this (also on Linked in - I run a group there that gives advice to offline business people). There are heaps of Warrior forums now and one or more would probably serve most members with their needs or problems.
  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Kezz
    How about a minimum post count for something like this?

    Very generally speaking, 500 posts or more tends to show you're serious and not a "fly by nighter".

    1000 posts or more tends to show you've been around long enough to have picked up a thing or two you can share.

    Note, I'm not saying that fewer posts is the opposite of the above or anything like that. Of course lots of people have a lot to share that are new to the forum.

    However if you've put in the time and tried your best to interact and contribute I think it would be fair and highly valuable to get access to a space with other longer term Warriors.

    I know I always take people's advice and posts more seriously if I see a decent post count.
  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    KenThompson
    Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post
    I think it would create an elitist attitude and will split the forum down the guts - ruining the experience for new members.
    Oh trust me... there's already an elitist attitude that has existed here. Not every successful person is like that but it exists.

    And I agree that this will make things worse here.

    Part of the spirit of this forum is for experienced people to help the less experienced. At least that's the way it was years ago before I took a hiatus from this place. And part of the reason I took it was because of all the elitist BS that goes on around here, or was at that time.

    People have their screwed up mindsets and ways of thinking. It's obviously human nature and most cannot evolve past it, it seems.

    I hope Allen does not approve this idea...
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post
    Part of the spirit of this forum is for experienced people to help the less experienced.
    The experienced people are LEAVING.

    Haven't you ever wondered why none of the big name internet marketers don't hang out here? It's because of the low level garbage that gets posted.
  • Profile picture of the author ShaneGorry
    ShaneGorry
    Possibly, but I just thought it was because they are busy and their business model doesn't depend on having a large or even any presents on WF.
  • Profile picture of the author Karen Keyes
    Karen Keyes
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post
    The experienced people are LEAVING.

    Haven't you ever wondered why none of the big name internet marketers don't hang out here? It's because of the low level garbage that gets posted.
    I agree with you there John, but I don't agree with your original post suggesting an 'established-only area'.

    The only ones who benefit to having an established-only area IS the established members. But is that the core of the WF - only members who have X number of posts or have been here X number of months or years? Maybe I'm wrong but I think the core - the heart - of the Warrior forum is to create an atmosphere where the experienced HELP the inexperienced, and we ALL gather around to foster ideas and network together.

    This forum does not need a selfish mindset - it needs a collaborative one, a sharing one. We need both experienced and new members, together. I strongly believe that we should not alienate anyone new entering this forum and feel that we would be doing exactly that if we took on your suggestion.

    Yes I agree with you that we need to find a solution to minimize the trolling, the gimme gimme answers posts.. the ones who clutter the forum with sometimes useless posts. But I don't agree that the answer is to just IGNORE the inexperienced by taking our experienced users and placing them on "higher ground". And no matter how you spin it, if an area was created exclusively for established members, I guarantee it would result in leaving our new and less experienced peers as dust in the wind. Is that what Allen wants?

    I'd like to think not.

    I'd like to think that this forum still fosters sharing and teaching. I'd like to see improvements that uphold those values versus the opposite.
  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Adie
    Not a goof idea for me. This will create unfairness and imbalance as it is hard to set the bar to who is an establish member and who is not...
  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    KenThompson
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post
    The experienced people are LEAVING.

    Haven't you ever wondered why none of the big name internet marketers don't hang out here? It's because of the low level garbage that gets posted.
    Then let them LEAVE, John.

    I've only been back probably several weeks and have noticed that a lot of experienced people or names I remember are not here. But that's it.

    I am not sure I'll necessarily agree they all have left because of your so-called, low level garbage. I find that hard to believe, actually. I see the things you're talking about, but OK, so what?

    I disagree with your proposed solution.

    Thanks...
  • Profile picture of the author admin
    admin
    Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post
    The experienced people are LEAVING.

    Haven't you ever wondered why none of the big name internet marketers don't hang out here? It's because of the low level garbage that gets posted.

    That's not quite right. I know most of the 'big name' marketers and the real reason they don't hang out in forums is because they can't without constantly being attacked.

    Many of them still have their ways of doing things here and getting traffic from here but they don't participate unless it's under an anonymous name and there are a few of those.

    You have so many people who feel that because they haven't succeeded that anyone who has, has taken something from them. The hatred against anyone who succeeds is the real reason.

    And many of them simply don't have the balls to withstand public scrutiny...

    Allen

    EDIT: On another note, do you have any idea how many 'experienced marketers' got their start at the Warrior Forum and THEN left?

    Warriors who have been here from the beginning know the ones I'm talking about. There are a LOT of them. So, who exactly is teaching who?

    The marketers you are talking about do not come here and tell you stuff they intend to sell you so it makes no difference if they leave or not. People on the way up are still going to be here getting ideas from the millions of posts, like always.
  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Kal Sallam
    Would you have wanted that when you first got started?
  • Profile picture of the author Jesse L
    Jesse L
    Originally Posted by Kezz View Post
    How about a minimum post count for something like this?

    Very generally speaking, 500 posts or more tends to show you're serious and not a "fly by nighter".

    1000 posts or more tends to show you've been around long enough to have picked up a thing or two you can share.

    Note, I'm not saying that fewer posts is the opposite of the above or anything like that. Of course lots of people have a lot to share that are new to the forum.

    However if you've put in the time and tried your best to interact and contribute I think it would be fair and highly valuable to get access to a space with other longer term Warriors.

    I know I always take people's advice and posts more seriously if I see a decent post count.
    I've seen many people with over 1000 posts, 0 thanks given to others posts, and very few posts thanked. Some I believe just like to see themselves talk

    So a post count would do nothing but make more people post junk, I think.

    I would like to see more indepth discussions though. The psychology of a sale, the psychology of color usage, developing writing skills, case studies, etc...
  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    wackiin
    I could see both sides of the coin Benefits for both but at the same time who would be the judge to say what gets you into the private club?
    Post count ? wouldn't work to many post whores that care about there count.
    Join Date? wouldn't work alot of us joined along time ago doesn't mean where any smarter then someone that joined yesterday
    Maybe a fee like the war room but a upgraded version? 3 times the cost or something who knows.

    I come and go here while there is alot of bs posted there is some good stuff posted as well you just have to look thru and use the searches.
  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    wordpressmania
    I don't think that, it will be a good idea. Now a days WF become a marketplace due to having good people share their ideas. If the big guys keep themselves within a case then it will loose the traffic and certainly Allen will not make it happen!

    Also forum is a place where people share their ideas and people can learn. So I like the forum as it is
  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    wordpressmania
    Also you can try WF private forum....I think that is really a private one.

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