The WSO Section Needs a Major Overhaul. Agree or Disagree?

[dreamtoreality]

Just a few questions to make you think:

Why isn't there a rating system for WSO's? It can work for buyers, sellers, as well as the WSO in question.

Why is anyone allowed to release a WSO? There should surely be some criteria that has to be met. Perhaps the WSO seller can send his WSO to a panel of mods.

If you get scammed, then why is the problem between the buyer and seller, and not the forum? The forum should have a support system in place. After all, the WF profits handsomely from WSOs, so there should be some kind of responsibility.

Only people who have bought the WSO can leave a review, so to avoid people saying, "everything this guy releases is great, so this must be to." Umm, no, each WSO is independent of the other, regardless of who the seller is.

Why is no protection system in place?

And, no, this isn't coming from a bitter WSO buyer. I've only bought 1 WSO in my life. I just think that the system needs a major overhaul.

Of course, this will significantly cut into profits, so I don't see changes coming anytime soon. Not a dig at the WF, by the way.

Agree or disagree?

[Chase Watts]

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Why isn't there a rating system for WSO's? It can work for buyers, sellers, as well as the WSO in question.

It could be too easily manipulated.

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Why is anyone allowed to release a WSO? There should surely be some criteria that has to be met. Perhaps the WSO seller can send his WSO to a panel of mods.

Then Warrior Forum could become liable for sales that are made I believe. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

If you get scammed, then why is the problem between the buyer and seller, and not the forum? The forum should have a support system in place. After all, the WF profits handsomely from WSOs, so there should be some kind of responsibility.

There is a support system for reporting scam - report it in the thread or use the helpdesk: Warrior Forum Support

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Only people who have bought the WSO can leave a review, so to avoid people saying, "everything this guy releases is great, so this must be to." Umm, no, each WSO is independent of the other, regardless of who the seller is.

Why is no protection system in place?

Otherwise every WSO would become a flame war. Everyone has at least one unhappy customer that could unfairly plague every new offer they release.

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

And, no, this isn't coming from a bitter WSO buyer. I've only bought 1 WSO in my life. I just think that the system needs a major overhaul.

Of course, this will significantly cut into profits, so I don't see changes coming anytime soon. Not a dig at the WF, by the way.

Agree or disagree?

There's a suggestion forum for these discussions: Suggestion Forum

[Andy Fletcher]

Disagree with all of it.

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Just a few questions to make you think:

Why isn't there a rating system for WSO's? It can work for buyers, sellers, as well as the WSO in question.

1. Such a system is easily gamed unless you only allow buyers to review (and even then it can be)

2. The forum doesn't have access to buyer data much like a billboard doesn't know that you went to McDonalds after reading it.

Why is anyone allowed to release a WSO? There should surely be some criteria that has to be met. Perhaps the WSO seller can send his WSO to a panel of mods.

It's an advertising medium. When you buy a billboard ad they don't make you meet any criteria other than the law and an ability to pay.

If you get scammed, then why is the problem between the buyer and seller, and not the forum? The forum should have a support system in place. After all, the WF profits handsomely from WSOs, so there should be some kind of responsibility.

Because it's an advertising medium. If people get scammed and report it, the forum will take the ad down. That's it, that's their responsibility.

Only people who have bought the WSO can leave a review, so to avoid people saying, "everything this guy releases is great, so this must be to." Umm, no, each WSO is independent of the other, regardless of who the seller is.

See the first point.

Why is no protection system in place?

There is a protection system in place. It's called due diligence and common sense. If you don't have such a system ...

And, no, this isn't coming from a bitter WSO buyer. I've only bought 1 WSO in my life. I just think that the system needs a major overhaul.

Of course, this will significantly cut into profits, so I don't see changes coming anytime soon. Not a dig at the WF, by the way.

Agree or disagree?

All I'm seeing here is a recommendation for how someone else can spend money so you have to put less effort in.

If you think it's such a good idea then set up a WSO review system of your own. If it turns out to be a good idea, you'll make money off it.

[RockingLastsForever]

Why isn't there a rating system for WSO's? It can work for buyers, sellers, as well as the WSO in question.

People buy WSOs, don't like the content (even though it might be a great WSO that would work) and would the rate it low even though it doesn't deserve it. Though such is life, a review system possibly could work.

Why is anyone allowed to release a WSO? There should surely be some criteria that has to be met. Perhaps the WSO seller can send his WSO to a panel of mods.

I think the mods have better things to do than personally review thousands of WSOs per month don't you? Would be too time consuming and not practical. What would be the criteria for them deciding whether it was allowed to go on sale or not? What if they personally didn't like it and just decided not to allow it to go live?

If you get scammed, then why is the problem between the buyer and seller, and not the forum? The forum should have a support system in place. After all, the WF profits handsomely from WSOs, so there should be some kind of responsibility.

Warrior Forum is just a market place, would be difficult for them to take responsibility.

Only people who have bought the WSO can leave a review, so to avoid people saying, "everything this guy releases is great, so this must be to." Umm, no, each WSO is independent of the other, regardless of who the seller is.

How can you prove someone bought it or not?

[run]

Rating is not necessary because the buyers will be able to rate with their reviews. SPAM won't last long here, Warrior Forum. Each sellers have their own refund policy; therefore, if you find it not usable for you just confirm for refund with reasonable cause.

While some reviews bias to the seller but also there are many other reviews about the products as I could see in WSO.

In all, it is not necessary because everything is setting up the it goes and actually effective in controlling.

[dreamtoreality]

Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever

People buy WSOs, don't like the content (even though it might be a great WSO that would work) and would the rate it low even though it doesn't deserve it. Though such is life, a review system possibly could work.



I think the mods have better things to do than personally review thousands of WSOs per month don't you? Would be too time consuming and not practical. What would be the criteria for them deciding whether it was allowed to go on sale or not? What if they personally didn't like it and just decided not to allow it to go live?



Warrior Forum is just a market place, would be difficult for them to take responsibility.



How can you prove someone bought it or not?

I have to go, but I will say one more thing. Most, if not all of these things could be implemented, if the WF had its own system in place. Much like you see on Amazon reviews, when you see "verified purchase."

[John Rogers]

This has been debated endlessly for YEARS!

It is what it is. Caveat emptor, don't believe everything you read, and if you have a negative review of something you purchased, by all means post your dissatisfaction to that WSO thread.

[JohnV88]

Yes I think there should be an feedback system for the seller just like ebay or fiverr where buyers can post feedback & everything !

[Tina Golden]

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Of course, this will significantly cut into profits, so I don't see changes coming anytime soon. Not a dig at the WF, by the way.

Of course this is a dig at the WF. How could it possibly be construed as anything else? You're saying the owner of the forum cares only for profits so won't make changes that YOU seem to think are needed.

You've been a member since 2011 and have a good number of posts under your belt. That indicates you've been around the forum a good bit. I know you've seen these type of threads and comments come along before and you certainly should know how they've been answered ... over and over and over again.

It's an easy way to get things stirred up and have a hot thread, though, isn't it?

[Alexa Smith]

There's a place for these discussions (if anywhere), guys: Suggestion Forum

[Bill Hugall]

What if there was a way that you could buy a WSO and then leave your comments on it? You could say anything you want, but you can run the vendor down. Right it is the forum.

I believe the problem with the section is not the products, but the users. Now don't everyone get all up in arms about this. Yes some suck, but I have seen some people dump on a product that worked. For the most part people who buy wso's don't feel like investing the time effort or money. Sorry folks. i have been reviewing WSO's for a long time now and there are a lot real gems out there.

Instead of rating the product why not just go back and leave an honest review on the thread? Not one that comes just after opening the wso and you are all hyped up. Give 2 or 3 hours. Digest. Then head back over and look out for your fellow warriors by leaving a real review with the good and bad. This is not a common practice, because a lot of customers are out for themselves.

Really it is not like you are paying an arm and a leg. We are in a time where the avg price point of WSO's is like $7 on a dime sale. Not a big investment. Also if that is a lot of money for people. THEY SHOULD NOT BE BUYING WSO'S! Most arena's of this business will require some money and some if not a lot or work. How bad do they want it.

If the concept of community was a little more present in the WSO section(as there is in other parts of the forum) The buyers would actually come back and leave honest reviews. Not hype reviews based on being sold on copy and being excited, and not troll reviews (you all know who you are). I just think buyers need to accept far more personal responsibility.

[Malcolm Thomas]

I agree with the other posters. If it aint broke then dont fix it. The WSO section is simply a platform and it's up to each buyer to do their due diligence

[Kay King]

You are a free guest here by choice. You can accept the rules and systems here or go elsewhere.

This is a privately owned forum - the owner makes the rules. That's how business works.

All I'm seeing here is a recommendation for how someone else can spend money so you have to put less effort in.

Exactly! It's a "protect me" mentality. This is a marketing forum - not a kindergarten.

kay

[paul nicholls]

There is a thread like this that comes up every so often

I personally think the wso section is a great idea because it allows small time marketers to get their foot in the door with releasing their first products ad also a platform that marketers can use to market their future products

Rather than think about how it can be improved just make the most of what you have got like many others are doing and building a very good business from the wso section

There will always be the odd few people that don't deliver on their promise or are involved in some kind of a scam those types of people are reported to the forum.

We appreciate you posting this but you really will be better off using your time more productively like contributing some top quality products to the wso section rather than pointing out problems which you think need addressing

We all have our own opinion though so that's cool :-)

Paul

[Alex Blades]

It may need an overhual, but that is asking WF to cut out an income stream. They can't possibly monitor every wso, which is our responsibility to use due diligence. Also like paul nicholls said it allows small marketers to put their foot in the door which is a step in the right direction.

[Chase Watts]

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

It may need an overhual, but that is asking WF to cut out an income stream. They can't possibly monitor every wso, which is our responsibility to use due diligence. Also like paul nicholls said it allows small marketers to put their foot in the door which is a step in the right direction.

That would be like eBay asking for every item to be shipped to them to make sure it works as described lol

[RichBeck]

Originally Posted by dreamtoreality

Why isn't there a rating system for WSO's? It can work for buyers, sellers, as well as the WSO in question.

Agree or disagree?

dreamtoreality,

I disagree...

I think the WSO "reviews" are bad enough...... Many people who are posting glowing reviews are affiliates or friends of the WSO seller.

The funny part is.... People believe the affiliates and reviewers actually spent time implementing the WSO...

The sad truth is.... Most haven't invested three minutes.... They copy and paste the affiliate e-mail, change the link and blast away...

In my humble opinion, there is no way to fix it..... As others wrote, their will always be a way to "game" the system..... Just like there is today.

God Bless,

Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS

[dreamtoreality]

This is my take on things...

Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

How would a rating system work?

Perhaps buyers can rate the WSO out of 5. Rate the seller out of 5 (Did they deliver it on time, how is their support, is it worth the price etc).

This just came to mind, so it isn't exactly the best way to do things, but perhaps with a bit of thought someone could come up with something better.

Why shouldn't anyone be allowed to release a WSO? What criteria would you personally suggest? The mods btw are all unpaid volunteers with their own businesses to run. Since this activity (modding the forum) takes up a lot of their available time as it is, how do you think this would work in real life practice?

Why should anyone be allowed to release a WSO? Someone can join, release a crap WSO, profit, and then leave to never be seen again. Who's stopping them, considering that the WF won't get involved?

Why shouldn't the owners of the WF have a look at the WSO before it is released. It all comes back to responsibility, but as mentioned, WF explicitly states that they don't think that they are responsible, despite directly profiting from WSOs.


The WF is simply a platform, it's up to each buyer to do their due diligence and research into any one particular WSO, this isn't the forums responsibility to hold everyone's hands to guide and direct their decisions.

I understand that, but if the owners of the WF are directly profiting from the WSO section, then I would've thought that it's simply a case of ethics as mentioned above.

At the moment the rules clearly state you can only leave a review for any one WSO if you are a direct buyer of the WSO in question. If you're not a buyer of the WSO you have no right to pass comment on the WSO. That is what the report function is for. See someone, another member interfering with someone's WSO negatively and the report will reach the moderators who will in turn look into it to see if your claim is substantiated.

In theory this sounds as if it would work; however, the reality, from what I've seen, is that it doesn't.

Why is no protection in place? See above.

You just thought this up did you? After buying just 1 WSO. Really? You know there's a saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Sure the system isn't perfect but it is what it is. Take it or leave it. No one is forcing you to look in that section of the forum or to buy anything from within this section of the forum. If the section isn't for you just avoid looking in there.

No, I didn't think this up after buying just 1 WSO. The 1 WSO I bought was months ago, anyway. Are you seriously telling me that the WSO section "ain't broke." Do you honestly believe that a few changes can't be made for the better?

I would love to hear Why YOU think that the WSO section works so well?

One more thing: I definitely should have asked repliers to have stated whether they have ever released a WSO or not. Would've made the responses a lot more telling.
Simple.

Smoking hot,


Mark Andrews