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[AaronJones]

This is now closed.

Thank you,

Aaron

[goalpower]

I see a huge red flag with your site. You're wanting them to opt in to get more info - but you've already told them how much it costs to join, before they're even sold on your products, system, etc.... You always close on the cost at the end AFTER they've been sold on Features/Benefits. You build no VALUE 1st. I'm not being critical to be mean. This is just marketing 101. Why don't you get them to join your list first (at the site) and sell them on subsequent pages and emails with SUCCESS STORIES. Success stories are the KEY. They always sell better than facts.

Pretty site - good idea - just formatted a bit off.

I think if you get people sold better first, the $697 objection won't be an issue.

[Jeff Henshaw]

Well, I'm not sure if I have fully understood either the pay plan or the quality of the products on offer, as I did not have time to view or listen to the video.

As I understand it, you will get $500 for each member that you refer. So what I would do is mirror to an extent what you are doing here.

When you email your list tell them that after joining for the $697, when they sign up their first customer, within X days, you will reimburse them $500. That way, you will encourage keen marketers to apply, as they effectively only paying $197 to join.

Make a play on this by reminding them that they will also get $500 for signing up a new client. So in total they will receive $1000 for a $697 outlay - and then there is the ongoing monthly $10 residual.

From your point of view, you will forfeit your $500, but will earn $100 from a team member sale and you still get the residual. If I've understood the compensation plan, then the above, or something closely associated with it, is the way I would promote the venture.

Just my thoughts,

Jeff Henshaw.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

So how can I overcome this objection most affilaite marketers would have about paying $697 to join an affiliate program.

Hi Aaron,

Here is a simple solution...

rather than wait for the "objection"...be proactive. Are you in a position whereby you can offer anyone joining through your affiliate link "bonuses" valued, at minimum, their investment.

I have not looked at your links, so I have no idea what the $697 investment gives the buyer.

But giving at least $697 worth of bonuses, to offset the new affiliates purchase, just might go a long way toward "snagging" a few interested affiliate marketers.

The bonuses would have to be good, increase the entire package and help the new affiliate toward being successful...You might consider investing yourself in some 'high quality product' with the proper rights in order to pull this off.

Doug

[Marian]

I'd add more of a TRUST factor...I have to believe that this system is real, functional and successful. I'd need real people faces, success stories, true facts...


Marian

[Claire Koch]

This is simple really. Just promote the beauty of having a 2nd tier and the monthly income is just icing on the cake. Push those more heavily then the initial payment. Make sure your customers know that you have a solid promotional plan in place for all their downline and that because your so adept in that area that no one is leaving your team just making bucketloads of money from their downlines work. You need to make people comfortable that you're the best upline that ever existed and that your team is stable. Give proof of the income you and they are making together. TOGETHER and automatic money from others work is the key here.

[honestbizpro]

Originally Posted by Claire Koch

This is simple really. Just promote the beauty of having a 2nd tier and the monthly income is just icing on the cake. Push those more heavily then the initial payment. Make sure your customers know that you have a solid promotional plan in place for all their downline and that because your so adept in that area that no one is leaving your team just making bucketloads of money from their downlines work. You need to make people comfortable that you're the best upline that ever existed and that your team is stable. Give proof of the income you and they are making together. TOGETHER and automatic money from others work is the key here.

That's right Claire. You got it.

I would only add...that I would only go for Superstars..not people that think that is too much money and want the most money for the least amount of work. Teach them how to promote! Find Superstars or show people how to become superstars like claire said and you will have a winner.

[Kay King]

I can see where the objection could come from. $697 "product" - paying $500 "commission" gives a mixed message.

Thought #1 - "Wow, great commission"

Thought #2 - "Whoa - They're selling a $197 product for $697 to pay some guy a high commission if I buy".

That type of pricing set-up will act as a stop sign again and again as people try to sell that program.

I don't think you can avoid talking about it or put emphasis on something else to divert attention from it. It's the elephant in the room. An affiliate who is not convinced a product is worth the price can't sell that product.

I'd approach it directly with no apologies. Emphasize the product or program itself is WORTH $697 and to be able to sell it the affiliate must see/try it himself. Anyone who isn't willing to buy/join doesn't have enough info about it to be able to earn those big commissions as he will run into this same objection!

Also, emphasize this is a closed affiliate program - that only those who are on the "inside" (i.e., purchasers) qualify to sell it to earn those large commissions. Not just anyone can slap an ad up for this product.

No apologies to those who object to buying - just one or two strong paragraphs about the NECESSITY of knowing the product and being convinced of its value in order to earn huge commissions. Benefits of this approach:

1. you are boosting the perceived value of the product in the person's eyes

2. you are giving an option for him to be an "insider" of this program
(limited competition is a good point here)

3. you are telling the truth - -to sell such a product, the affiliate must be convinced of its worth and knowledgeable about how it works or what it does

This type of question is best answered with a definitive and unapologetic short explanation of "this is how it is and why". It's important not to be drawn into discussions of "what if" or "why can't I" as they lead to one objection after another. You want the potential affiliate to begin thinking of HOW he can "qualify" to sell this valuable product....and moving away from thinking "why do I have to buy something".

kay

[TheAge]

Is that your personal salespage, or is it the affiliate page?

There's many problems with the salespage – there is a very limited amount of copy at the start, and none of it induces any DESIRE. The headline is bland, and doesn't make prospects really CRAVE anything. The same goes for the rest of the copy.

"Finally, a program that really delivers on the promise" tells me NOTHING. While logically it's a good concept, points such as "true passive income" really doesn't do anything to a person's emotions.

And not only is their extremely bland and boring copy, it is also very short, so not only is no desire for the product built, they are also hit with the $697 ALMOST INSTANTLY, which is an instant turn off. I'm guessing a vast majority of prospects exit the window right then and there, without even bothering to read the rest.

I'm assuming you're preselling through email. In this case, you're going to have to pick up the slack for this page. Of course, building trust over a long relationship is very important. People take into considerations their friend's recommendations, there's no questions about it.

Secondly, use the power of SOCIAL PROOF. Give a couple of success stories per email, vividly detailing these person's successes with the program. Have you ever felt yourself more inclined to buy a product when hearing about other's fantastic experiences with it? How different is hearing about one person's fantastic experience, compared to nothing? How about 5 extremely happy customers? How about 10? 20?

You really need to create an emotional drive. Connect to your prospect's emotions, really drive up their desire. Have them wondering what this program could do for them. What could they have if they signed up? Where will they be in a years time? How will they be feeling on that dream vacation they've always wanted to take, all thanks to this program?

When you've built an emotional drive, you need to start providing some logic and facts. What can they expect to make? How much will they be earning per year with this program? Can you give examples of people making this with this program? Pile on the social proof here again, it's very influential and provides FACTS to prospects (on a side note, not only are testimonials very influential socially, they are a FANTASTIC place to address other objections!).

Of course, when this is all done, you get to the MAJOR OBJECTION – that damned $697! Remember, don't mention the figure at the start of the emails, as that is an instant turn off.

So how do we do this? I mean, $697 is a LOT of money in anyone's book. Well, you have to use the classic and proven sales technique – you need to make the price seem as extremely insignificant, while making the returns seem as extravagantly LARGE as possible, and put them into direct comparison.

For example, when addressing the price, you can break it down; $697 a year is ONLY $58.10 a MONTH! Furthermore, it is only $13.40 a week! So how much is it a day? A membership to this program is ONLY $1.90 A DAY!!! Now honestly, how serious can a person be about their internet marketing if they can't afford to give up such an insignificant figure as $1.90 a day? Are you telling me they can't afford such a measly sum? If they can't, what business do they have in marketing at all??

People pay double that for their daily coffee!

Conversely, how much can they expect to earn with this program? Lets name a random figure: $20,000. Put that in direct comparison with the daily price of $1.90.

"Mr Prospect, as you can see, dozens of our current members have EASILY managed to make $20,000 and over just by joining this program! What were you wanting to do at the end of the year? Do you think you could afford to pay such a low sum of $1.90, so that you could go on your dream vacation? What is this worth to you? What else could you do with this $20,000?"

Remember, make the buying price so insignificant, and then put it in comparison with whatever AMAZING returns they shall be receiving, it would seem absolutely STUPID to them to not take you up on the offer!

How else can you sweeten the deal? Well, how about offering them a personal rebate? If you were to give up $250 of your affiliate earnings, then the yearly cost for them would be $447, which is a daily sum of only $1.20. See where I'm going with this?

Now, because the sales page is so damn terrible at the moment (no offence meant if it's yours), it would probably be beneficial to direct them on exactly what to do. Make it plain and simple – "all you have to do is scroll to the bottom of the page, click the 'next' button, yada yada..."

One more thing to remember – people love to buy, but they HATE being sold. They HATE, HATE, HATE it! So instead of using words such as 'buy this now!', or 'pay this sum!', substitute words of that nature with words such as 'invest.' It holds a lot more positive connotation.

Hope this helps

- Adrian

[AaronJones]

Thank you for the contributions so far. For those wondering, this is an aff page, not my own sales page.

[sashagilberg]

This is really simple, they believe it's a big risk to invest $697 without knowing if they'll even get it back. You need to show them (preferably with proof like a case study) of how fast and easy it is to make a sale.

So you say, sign up for $697, do this this and this, and now you'll earn $1500 in 24 hours.

That's just an example, but if you can show them proof that it's really possible to make their money back quickly they'll be much more receptive to having to pay to join the affiliate program.

All the best!

[SarahMcHarry]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

The objection I am getting is a result that to become an affiliate you yourself have to pay $697. Most affiliate marketers are not fans of the idea of paying before you can promote.
Aaron

My solution is not entirely original because I saw it being done on another product a couple of years ago. But this is basically how it works:

What you do is to produce a brandable ebook which spells out all the wonderful benefits and advantages of joining this program.

• You tell your story of how you go into this program (how broke you were, how much debt you had, and now you're driving around in a Ferrari etc) and how shocked you were by how easy it is to sell to others and how many people you have saved from poverty...
• You provide examples of the income that you would get from 1st and 2nd tier sales with diagrams. Project incomes (say) from 1 - 100 sales a month, size of downline, totally vast sums of money etc.
• You provide testimonials from people who have done it
• You detail all the different ways the program can be sold, online and offline
• Use the sales techniques of MLM to push this as a viable second, and then first, income
• You stress how much support and help you will provide

You give away this branded ebook (branded with your aff link) to all your prospects as a teaser to get them on to your mailing list.

You encourage them to copy it and give it away to their friends. Or they can offer it as a teaser on their website/blog. You basically want as many copies as possible to be distributed around freely.

You promise the readers that, if they pay $697, they get their own branded ebook, plus the software to supply branded ebooks to their own downline. And you spell out just how to replicate this viral marketing technique.

This branding software is freely available (free or very cheap) and it genuinely can make an ebook viral.

Hope this helps,

Sarah

[Tom Brite]

Your answer is really simple.....

Don't make them pay the fee or all of it but instead you do it for them!

Make a mini membership site to help them along the way and they can help each other and make it limited spots etc and then when they go to signup and promote the product and pay the $700 or whatever then you actually pay most or all of it. After all they will be earning money for you and if you are training them on how to promote it then you will soon regain all your money and more.

Heck your prepared to give away $500 to solve this small problem and so paying people to earn you money shouldn't be that much of a problem after you have succesfully found people who are really willing to learn and work.

Best of Luck

Tom Brite

[Alton Hargrave]

Why restrict the affiliate program to only those who pay the 697 dollars? If you really want to make sales, why not open it up. Is there a valid justification for doing that...or did you start out with it without really thinking about the obstacle it causes?

Sometimes, we assume we must do things a certain way when we really need to back up and take a new look at things.

There is a story about a man that sought to find out why his mother always cut off the end of a roast before she cooked it. He always wondered and one day he went ahead and asked her.

"I don't really know. I never really thought about it. My mother always cut the end off a roast before she cooked it and I just followed her way."

The man went to his grandmother. "My mother alway did this and to tell you the truth, I have no idea. That is a good question, though."

Having really gotten everyone's interest up in finding the answer, the man sought the only possible solution, his very elderly great-grandmother, who lived in a nursing home. Surely, she would know.

Off to the nursing home he went. After talking to his great-grandmother a while, he posed the question. "Granny, we are all wondering why you used to cut off the end of a roast before you placed it in the cooking pot? We have all done this and now that we think about it, we are embarrassed to admit that we don't know why!"

"Why did I always cut off the end of a roast before cooking it for dinner? Well, the cooking pot your grandpa bought me was too small for most roasts. I had to cut off the end to get it in the pot!"

That is an old story and you may have heard it before and possibly in a different way. But, the lesson is that sometimes we do things for no other reason than that " that is the way we always did them." And, that is not a good reason for doing any thing, when you really think about it.

[InternetMarketingIQ]

I see no objection to overcome.

This is how the guy who runs the program weeds out the people he doesn't want promoting his product/service and makes money at the same time.

Pick something else.

People who promote things they know little about are often not good representatives. And how can you honestly say you know about a product or service and say it's Good or Bad if you have ZERO experience with it?

[multimastery]

First of all the label 'Affiliate Program' is adding to the price objection straight out the gate. Affiliate marketers are always warned from the very beginning over & over again that you should never have to pay to join an affiliate program -- and that is how thing have been thus far - affiliate programs are Free!

But, when you tell someone about a 'Business Opportunity' they automatically expect a pricetag to traditionally come along with it. Therefore, they're not as surprised when you tell that it will be an investment of $697.

So I'd recommend killing the label "affiliate program" and just use Business Opportunity instead. This could really ease-up upfront investment issue quite a bit.

And also you Must build strong value from the very beginning (especially with a big ticket item like this) and keep piling on the benefits until they just can't resist your opportunity! You should have a strong follow-up system in place because this may not be a one-time close.

Also if you provide your prospects with some type of Guarantee like saying something like "if you follow these Specific steps as instructed - and still have not received these results your money will be refunded."

You could also angle it as a perform rebate and say something like "once you advance to a certain level your $697 will be refunded". Let them know it is just put in place to weed out the time wasters, curiosity seekers, and people who are just flat-out not serious about this Strong Business Opportunity.

Hope this helps ~ Best Wi$hes!

[mrdomains]

I´m not going to win the 500 bucks with this but here is my advice:
You are trying to sell a big-ticket item to experienced marketeers with a marketing campaign (the video and graphics) targeted at the half-drunk average joe.

You need to separate the two because the people you want to market this product are not getting ANY meat on how it performs, what it contains, why it has a hefty price, etc, and the "lay back and enjoy the cash" video with a somewhat strained tv commercial speaker is not something that will sway an experienced marketeer to bring out the CC and dedicate time to market your product.

Just my 2 cents

[AnneE]

I don't think my biggest objection would be the $697. My biggest objection would be that I don't see what I (or anyone that I would sell to) would get for $697. If there is not a real product with real value, than this is no different than a chain letter where you pay the person who sent you the letter $5 (and also send $5 to 4 other people whose names are listed on the letter), add your name to the bottom of the list and mail it out to 10 different people who do the same thing and by the time you are at the top of list list, you are getting $5 from 10000 people or $50,000.

I can see no difference between the chain letter concept and this 3-way wealth. The money relies on convincing other people to buy into a system that will pay them because still more people will buy into the system.

But what exactly are they getting?

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by AnneE

I don't think my biggest objection would be the $697. My biggest objection would be that I don't see what I (or anyone that I would sell to) would get for $697. If there is not a real product with real value, than this is no different than a chain letter where you pay the person who sent you the letter $5 (and also send $5 to 4 other people whose names are listed on the letter), add your name to the bottom of the list and mail it out to 10 different people who do the same thing and by the time you are at the top of list list, you are getting $5 from 10000 people or $50,000.

I can see no difference between the chain letter concept and this 3-way wealth. The money relies on convincing other people to buy into a system that will pay them because still more people will buy into the system.

But what exactly are they getting?

There are 250 + PLR products with master resale rights, and more added all the time. Plus if you travel etc you can get discounts. If you just wanted to read the books or audios they themselves would be like buying many wso's at once.

This is just the same as other PLR membership sites I have seen. They do not list every product. They just mention they have PLR and give a number on quantity. This offers even more benefits than just PLR.

There is a two tier aff program with this. The only thing is this costs more to join and also pays more to affiliates.

If this cost $20 to join and paid $5 per sale no one would be calling this a chain letter or a pyramid.

A higher price point doesn't change that this is a PLR memebrship and travel membership site with a two teir aff program.

Go and google "Plr membership site" and see just how much info is given on other sites. I do not see much of a difference myself other than the price. You have to become a member to see what is really inside most.

Like I said, I can be contacted with questions about the products and you can google other PLR membership sites and see that they do not talk much about the details of what is in their memberships either.

I do know what is in there and I feel the value is there in the membership IMO. Like most PLR membership sites you won't know until you are a member to really be able to comment on the products.

Aaron

[CocoChanelle]

What is their objection specifically? When you try to close them, what do you say?

Then, what do they say? (the objection)

Tell Me!

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by CocoChanelle

What is their objection specifically? When you try to close them, what do you say?

Then, what do they say? (the objection)

Tell Me!

This is what I am seeking...

The objection I am getting is a result that to become an affiliate you yourself have to pay $697. Most affiliate marketers are not fans of the idea of paying before you can promote.

So how can I overcome this objection most affilaite marketers would have about paying $697 to join an affiliate program

Aaron

[SarahMcHarry]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Help me overcome this objection - Get $500

Affiliate marketers are who I would like to ALSO target because they know how to market online already.
Aaron

Actually, it is not uncommon for affiliate programs to be open only to customers of the product. I believe this was the case way back for the Reese Report and I can recall several others.

So, sell the product with the added bonus that, once a customer, they can become affiliates and earn big commissions. Make it sound like being a customer/affiliate is somehow a privileged status - a position not open to the general affiliate market but only available to insiders.

Sarah

[moneymentor]

offer them some form of one on one live coaching..most courses don't do this, they just use email or forums. With IM or phone support, value goes up

[Hhhhhh]

You need to build a relationship with them, so they trust you. Re assure them they are getting value for money. Point out this is a unique Affiliate Program, because it isn't free they will get a bigger slice of the pie. Offer a guarantee money, show that you are prepared to take the risk and make them feel secure. All the basics the you do selling any product. Show "Why You" "Why This Product' "Why Not The Other One That is FREE to join" - Build your case and make it solid.

[dbressler]

Hi Aaron,

You commented that your site selling PLR products and discounted travel is not different than what I would find it I did a search on Google for PLR membership sites. This is not really correct and I think, therein may lie part of the challenge.

When I go to your web site, I am smacked in the face with a make money headline that, quite frankly, doesn't say anything, ie. what promise?? The video continues this theme. IN 1:17 minutes, it spends 2 seconds mentioning "products everyone wants and needs". That is the extent of the product discussion. The video then directs me to learn more about the compensation plan (no mention of the products).

The sales page has only one product line "Awesome Products That Everyone Wants and Needs!" on the entire page ....and it still sheds no light on what the products are or how they will benefit those who purchase.

So, now I click the Products link at the bottom and still don't learn much more. I will have access to "new travel products". What kinds of products? Do I get discounts? How much can I save? This verbage says nothing.

Moving on to the PLR products, the sales page assumes I know what PLR and resale rights are and I know how to make money from them. While the page attempts to show "volume" of products with all the thumbnails, it should go a step further and open the actual sales pages for those products when those thumbnails are clicked. If you've ever checked firesales, this is often done.

You said: "Go and google "Plr membership site" and see just how much info is given on other sites. I do not see much of a difference myself other than the price. You have to become a member to see what is really inside most."

Fair enough. I chose one at random. In fact, I chose one that requires you to be a member in order to promote it.

Prehead said they will create product for me every month for the rest of my life.
Heading says I get 5 new PLR "businesses" Each Month
Subhead says this can produce cash for me quickly

The entire sales letter is based on the product. Money discussions are based on how I can make money from using these PLR reports.

The main salespage says I get this:

4-5 PLR Products Each Month
25 Articles Each Month Per Niche - Also explains how I can use these articles
Sales Letter Course (to write my own sales letters for these products)
Coaching Manual (to learn how to set this up and make money from it)
Product Analysis for each PLR product (adwords data, keyword lists, suggested titles, etc.)
7 Guides teaching things from setting up thank you pages to turning PLR into physical products

Then the sales page goes on to show the specific niches available for members for the current month and what members will receive.

It then recaps all the products I will receive each month. It then goes on to offer two 100% money back guarantees.

Lastly, at the end of the sales letter and after the signature, there's mention of an affiliate program. "Once you become a member you will have exclusive access....

In my estimation there is a difference. The PLR site discusses the PRODUCT, what it is, what it will do for me, specific examples of what I will get, and all the bonuses that come with it, and briefly mentions that you can earn money promoting it. In comparison, your affiliate site discusses the MONEY, how much you can earn by promoting it, and a brief mention (2 seconds in a video and 1 line in the sales page) that there are products involved.

Sorry, but that web site comes across like a make-money scheme that just needed a product to make it legal.

So, how can you overcome this? Here's my suggestion:

As the "owner" of a high ticket product you wish to promote, you have two jobs:

1. Attract the attention of marketers who see the profit-potential and have lists that would be receptive to this type of product; and

2. Give them the tools necessary to sell this to their subscribers or viewers.

When my email inbox fills with bonus offers for the latest launch, I'm aware that a different promotion took place to gather those marketers. That promotion discussed commission structure, bonuses, and contests (some product launches provide computers, flat screens, cruises, and even cars to top affiliates). There are separate web pages strictly for affiliates.

When I click on the link in my email, I am taken somewhere else. This isn't the same page because it is almost exclusively product focused. Now, it may link to a page that will tell me how I can earn money promoting this, but it is generally not the first thing that hits me.

Even if the majority of people may join this strictly for the biz op, most still want to substantiate that purchase. Develop a web page that builds up the value of the products and services. When you prospect, send your prospect both links: Here is what your subscribers will get and here is how you make money, earn a 43% return on your second sale plus a $100 per sale second tier AND residual income.

My recommendation is to review some websites promoting the different SourceCodeGoldmine products or various firesales. You might use this as an outline ... notice how each product is detailed, often with links to demos or more information? If you do this, interspersed with testimonials and case studies, for the products now in there, it will look like a no-brainer, and will allow you to build value to the point that the purchase makes sense even if they don't use the biz op part.

Yes, people want to make money. But people also want to feel good about promoting it to their lists. If people feel misled with foggy product descriptions and apparently no guarantees (I didn't see any mentioned), who do you think they are going to get mad at? If your hands are tied with your affiliate website, you may want to answer those questions with an additional site of your own.

Good luck to you, Aaron!

Debbi

[coreytucker]

Hi,

Honestly if I was you I would start small when doing this. I would find at first 2 people who seem really dedicated to promoting the program and have past marketing experience. I would seek out some "super affiliates" and actually pay these people's way into the program. Either that or you could make an agreement with the person you pay into the program that they have 30 days to make a sale and if not you get your money back.

Its worth investing into a "salesman" whos on autopilot making you money if you know this person can properly market the offer. It take's money to make money as they say, and this can apply in this situation also

Obviously if you can locate a "super affiliate" or somebody that you know could sale this offer its a no brainer to pay their way into the program. Some people may think "well if he won't pay the signup fee he must be broke or is not serious." That's not always true, people are sometimes too busy to even seriously evalulate "another program" that seems promising like the hundreds of others out there. But when they get a offer for a free membership and see that you have to spend over $600 on them it will really make a light bulb come on for them. It will make them realize that the program could be the real deal.

If this person is someone that you know is great at marketing then you just hit the jackpot! LOL, thats the way I see it anyways.

Or course im not a lawyer so im not sure what sort of forms you two would need to sign for the 30 day money back agreement. I honestly use to promote a high end program like this and really felt bad telling the average person who could barely get by that it was easy to sale this product for the high cost. Because for the average person its near impossible, so I dropped out of that right away one day after a lady was ready to take out a loan and give it a try.

I couldn't sit there and watch her take out a loan and never make a dime. I did not have the money at the time to pay people's way into the program that I knew could perform. When I approached the "big boy's" they did not take the program serious and just looked at it as another hyped up program. But I bet if I sent them $700 via paypal and said " im paying your way in, just go and sign up at: website name here" they would have taken me and the program seriously.

But I have always though if I had to do it over again (and might) that I would figure out a way to locate some super affiliates or people who I know have experience and pay their way in to work for me. Take it one step at a time at first and really make sure you are getting a quality member on your team. Because with a high paying program like this there's going to be a ton of "duds" who never make a sale ever.

I know its alot to invest but the reality of the situation is when you pay your affiliates way into the program it really shows them that they can trust you. Just set up some sort of filtering process where you only target the best affiliates you can find. When you show you care about your business partners they work alot harder for you too.

So basically find these people who really know how to market online and pay their way into the program. Teach them everything you know and really try to help them make their first sale. You could do the whole "no sales within 30 days and I get my money back" approach also.

So think of it this way? You find these great team members one at a time and your whole team will start to grow with only quality members. When your promoting a product that is this high end I can imagine that it will not take many quality members to make a ton of money,lol.

Ok so you do have to invest and if you dont have the extra money I guess this is not the method for you. But I really plan to put this little action plan into use when I have some extra money up. It might even be under you, looks like an interesting program

One Last Note:

By you paying a affiliates way into the program it really seperates you from the crowd. It will make the affiliate stop and think "wow, this program must really work. I cannot believe this guy is shelling out over $600 for me to join" etc. Just make sure that you find people that know what they are doing. You don't want to pay for a "tire kicker" lol. Hopefully your new team member will do the same for new members of the team he gets. You could even teach him how to do this to only add quality members to your team

Hope this helps!

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by coreytucker

Hi,

Honestly if I was you I would start small when doing this. I would find at first 2 people who seem really dedicated to promoting the program and have past marketing experience. I would seek out some "super affiliates" and actually pay these people's way into the program. Either that or you could make an agreement with the person you pay into the program that they have 30 days to make a sale and if not you get your money back.

Its worth investing into a "salesman" whos on autopilot making you money if you know this person can properly market the offer. It take's money to make money as they say, and this can apply in this situation also

Obviously if you can locate a "super affiliate" or somebody that you know could sale this offer its a no brainer to pay their way into the program. Some people may think "well if he won't pay the signup fee he must be broke or is not serious." That's not always true, people are sometimes too busy to even seriously evalulate "another program" that seems promising like the hundreds of others out there. But when they get a offer for a free membership and see that you have to spend over $600 on them it will really make a light bulb come on for them. It will make them realize that the program could be the real deal.

If this person is someone that you know is great at marketing then you just hit the jackpot! LOL, thats the way I see it anyways.

Or course im not a lawyer so im not sure what sort of forms you two would need to sign for the 30 day money back agreement. I honestly use to promote a high end program like this and really felt bad telling the average person who could barely get by that it was easy to sale this product for the high cost. Because for the average person its near impossible, so I dropped out of that right away one day after a lady was ready to take out a loan and give it a try.

I couldn't sit there and watch her take out a loan and never make a dime. I did not have the money at the time to pay people's way into the program that I knew could perform. When I approached the "big boy's" they did not take the program serious and just looked at it as another hyped up program. But I bet if I sent them $700 via paypal and said " im paying your way in, just go and sign up at: website name here" they would have taken me and the program seriously.

But I have always though if I had to do it over again (and might) that I would figure out a way to locate some super affiliates or people who I know have experience and pay their way in to work for me. Take it one step at a time at first and really make sure you are getting a quality member on your team. Because with a high paying program like this there's going to be a ton of "duds" who never make a sale ever.

I know its alot to invest but the reality of the situation is when you pay your affiliates way into the program it really shows them that they can trust you. Just set up some sort of filtering process where you only target the best affiliates you can find. When you show you care about your business partners they work alot harder for you too.

So basically find these people who really know how to market online and pay their way into the program. Teach them everything you know and really try to help them make their first sale. You could do the whole "no sales within 30 days and I get my money back" approach also.

So think of it this way? You find these great team members one at a time and your whole team will start to grow with only quality members. When your promoting a product that is this high end I can imagine that it will not take many quality members to make a ton of money,lol.

Ok so you do have to invest and if you dont have the extra money I guess this is not the method for you. But I really plan to put this little action plan into use when I have some extra money up. It might even be under you, looks like an interesting program

One Last Note:

By you paying a affiliates way into the program it really seperates you from the crowd. It will make the affiliate stop and think "wow, this program must really work. I cannot believe this guy is shelling out over $600 for me to join" etc. Just make sure that you find people that know what they are doing. You don't want to pay for a "tire kicker" lol. Hopefully your new team member will do the same for new members of the team he gets. You could even teach him how to do this to only add quality members to your team

Hope this helps!

Hi Corey,

We think alike,

I am willing to pay the way in of a proven affiliate. I just don't like the idea of sending money upfront though.

My idea has been to reimburse the affiliate the entire amount once they have joined. I'll reimburse them my entire $500 commission plus the other $197 out of my own pocket.

So actually it is a good idea because I am only spending $197 and they end up getting in free.

If it is someone who will make more than two sales I will make a profit on that investment.

Just sending someone $697 though is to risky imo, but if they are willing to pay first and then have me reimburse I am willing to do that.

The way I look at it is if they are really an experienced aff, they will have the cash to join and understand why I wouldn't want to just send a stranger a large sum of money and then say please join and don't just take my money.

I don't think I would make a focus of advertising this type of offer , but is something I have considered and would do privatly if it was someone proven.

Aaron

[coreytucker]

Thats cool Aaron. There is a risk involved following my method. Maybe I can come up with something that fits you better,lol. I will be brainstorming tonight when I have some free time and post again

[coreytucker]

How about this. Not sure if you can do this or not with this program but this seems like a good solution.

You find a reputable online marketer that you trust right? Now you actually give him your affiliate link and let him promote the offer for free. You figure out some way to track his advertising to see when he makes a sale.

Now instead of him paying you to join you simply let him in for free and give him your link to promote. After he makes enough sales (whatever that may be) you pay for his membership and now the guy is in for free! If im not missing something this seems like a fantastic solution that would work and everyone is happy in the end

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by coreytucker

How about this. Not sure if you can do this or not with this program but this seems like a good solution.

You find a reputable online marketer that you trust right? Now you actually give him your affiliate link and let him promote the offer for free. You figure out some way to track his advertising to see when he makes a sale.

Now instead of him paying you to join you simply let him in for free and give him your link to promote. After he makes enough sales (whatever that may be) you pay for his membership and now the guy is in for free! If im not missing something this seems like a fantastic solution that would work and everyone is happy in the end

The option already exists to pass up sales to qualify, and is done automatically. You just sign up but don't pay. You still get a link to promote.

Sorry I have not mentioned this, but I was not even aware the option exists until tonight as there doesn't seem to be promotion of this fact.

I can see that it will tell you how many sales you need to pass up to qualify but mine just says "fully qualified" because I paid right away, and I am not sure of the amount.

Aaron

[coreytucker]

so but if they can join without paying doesn't this solve the problem now? LOL

Or do you want to know how to get them aboard where they make 100% profit from the start? Now that you figured out that they can join for free doesnt this change the question a bit? LOL, im just a little confused now as im trying to come up with a new solution.

Thanks

[VaibhaV KumaR]

Well, I think the best way would be to convince them to make an investment into their future! $697 is a big figure so maybe you can ask them to put aside like $200-250 a month for about 3 months and meanwhile you keep updating them on your own progress with the program and how much you are making, you can even tell them more about how the program can benefit others -not them but others they can sell to, tell them how you promote the program...the exact steps and work you put in and again how much you make, that will create a sense of urgency in them to get started asap

This way at least you can have guaranteed sub-affiliates in the next 3-4 months. Its like putting in the effort now and enjoying the benefits later. If I was you, I'd call/email them at least once a week to keep them updated of my progress

Hope that helps. Good Luck!

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by coreytucker

so but if they can join without paying doesn't this solve the problem now? LOL

Or do you want to know how to get them aboard where they make 100% profit from the start? Now that you figured out that they can join for free doesnt this change the question a bit? LOL, im just a little confused now as im trying to come up with a new solution.

Thanks

It solves it if they are willing to sign up for free and pass up sales to qualify themselves.

I am not noticing anyone going to my site and signing up for free and trying to qualify instead of paying.

So the situation for me has not changed and I am still seeking the answer to my original question.

Aaron

[coreytucker]

ok Aaron. I will brainstorm tonight and see what I can come up with my tommorrow lol. Have a good night

[VaibhaV KumaR]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

It solves it if they are willing to sign up for free and pass up sales to qualify themselves.

I am not noticing anyone going to my site and signing up for free and trying to qualify instead of paying.

So the situation for me has not changed and I am still seeking the answer to my original question.

Aaron

Aaron,

Do you think the method I suggested would not work for you? I am asking cuz I don't see you failing with that as it allows the people to join at their own pace. I have used this method successfully for some programs in the past

While I think the method would work very well for you, I would still like to know why this might not work, just to add to my knowledge you know. Life is all about learning all the time

Thanks!

[coreytucker]

maybe you should do it this way.

Tell new people who come under you that they can sign up for free right? Now tell them that the offical program makes them "qualify" when using a free account and they will lose thier first sale or two just because they joined for free and need to pay off their membership that way.

But I suggest that if you get an affiliate who makes a sale that you pay him/her the amount they would make for that sale. If the affiliate is preforming and making sales it should be worth the investment to do this once. That way they still get in for free and make money on the first sale they make.

LOL, not sure if this is what you are looking for. I dont know if there's much more you can do. I will continue to brainstorm today and post back if I have anything new. This is kinda getting fun anyways

[coreytucker]

Thinking over the situation and I still think that the best solution would be for you to let them use your affiliate link. Then you could either do one or two things.

1. You could tell your affiliate that if he makes one sale he's in the program without paying a dime and will start making $500 a sale after the first sale. This would require you to pay $197 to get him the full membership and make a small investment.

2. You could tell him that if he sales two of the offer's he gets a free membership plus $300. Then of course he makes $500 a sale thereafter.

I dont know, I have been trying to think of something real good and its all I can come up with right now. I will still be pondering about this later tonight as its starting to bug me,lol. I have to go out for a bit though and get some fresh air.

[julesbrad]

Offer a 200% money back guarantee.

They pay $500 to join
If they do not make a sale in 3 months they receive $1,000
If they make sales, they will receive a great deal more in commission
They have nothing to lose

[Dan Grossman]

The solution to this "objection" is to change your thinking, not those peoples'.

You don't need those affiliates. The people that will really sell your product are the people that have purchased it and want to share it.

Market the affiliate programs to your customers, not just anyone, most of which will be clueless newbies looking for the highest ticket affiliate program they can find to throw on their crummy blogspot blog.

You create an amazing quality product, you spend some money up front advertising it, then your extremely happy customers become affiliates and drive the future advertising for free.

[dbressler]

Originally Posted by coreytucker

Thinking over the situation and I still think that the best solution would be for you to let them use your affiliate link. Then you could either do one or two things.

1. You could tell your affiliate that if he makes one sale he's in the program without paying a dime and will start making $500 a sale after the first sale. This would require you to pay $197 to get him the full membership and make a small investment.

2. You could tell him that if he sales two of the offer's he gets a free membership plus $300. Then of course he makes $500 a sale thereafter.

The main issue I see with this is that it prohibits them from mailing to their list. What if they mail and 27 people sign up...all using Aaron's affiliate link? You'd have to have a mechanism in place whereby sales after two would switch over to the new marketer. Sounds pretty tricky to put that in place seamlessly.

Aaron, if the purpose is to have them mail to their lists and overcome the "buy first" objection, why not offer them 2-3 options:

1. $250-$348 per sale made from their list with no cost and no need to sign up as an affiliate. They would simply promote and drive traffic to your affiliate site. (Obviously, you would need to be able to track this.). You, of course, earn the $100 on the second tier and the residual. Let them know this!

2. They join just like a regular affiliate with $697 and mail. They receive $500 per sale, $100 on tier 2, and the residual.

3. As a third option, they can have you keep their commissions until they've earned $697, at which time they can become an affiliate with no out-of-pocket. As mentioned above, this would depend on how they plan to promote.

I used to do this all the time with Dream Team training. Although I had a few people who took option (1), most went with option (3). But it was their choice...and all of them were good.

Personally, I think paying someone's way diminishes the value of the product (although I'm not sure that's the #1 attraction! The example above outlines a win-win situation and a duplication method that can easily be implemented by those you enroll, thus earning you those $100 second tier commissions.

Aaron, since you didn't comment on my previous post, I will repeat that it is something to consider. If your marketer has a list of people who love PLR, they will likely be put off by your affiliate web site. Getting marketers to promote to their lists is one thing; having those subscribers convert to sales is another.

Debbi Bressler

[AaronJones]

Originally Posted by dbressler

The main issue I see with this is that it prohibits them from mailing to their list. What if they mail and 27 people sign up...all using Aaron's affiliate link? You'd have to have a mechanism in place whereby sales after two would switch over to the new marketer. Sounds pretty tricky to put that in place seamlessly.

Aaron, if the purpose is to have them mail to their lists and overcome the "buy first" objection, why not offer them 2-3 options:

1. $250-$348 per sale made from their list with no cost and no need to sign up as an affiliate. They would simply promote and drive traffic to your affiliate site. (Obviously, you would need to be able to track this.). You, of course, earn the $100 on the second tier and the residual. Let them know this!

2. They join just like a regular affiliate with $697 and mail. They receive $500 per sale, $100 on tier 2, and the residual.

3. As a third option, they can have you keep their commissions until they've earned $697, at which time they can become an affiliate with no out-of-pocket. As mentioned above, this would depend on how they plan to promote.

I used to do this all the time with Dream Team training. Although I had a few people who took option (1), most went with option (3). But it was their choice...and all of them were good.

Personally, I think paying someone's way diminishes the value of the product (although I'm not sure that's the #1 attraction! The example above outlines a win-win situation and a duplication method that can easily be implemented by those you enroll, thus earning you those $100 second tier commissions.

Aaron, since you didn't comment on my previous post, I will repeat that it is something to consider. If your marketer has a list of people who love PLR, they will likely be put off by your affiliate web site. Getting marketers to promote to their lists is one thing; having those subscribers convert to sales is another.

Debbi Bressler

Hi Debbi,

I see your point about the way my aff site presents the PLR compared to others. I also have considered that paying the way in for someone would devalue the opportunity. It is something I wouldn't advertise on any sales page or responder series. If it was someone I knew was a super aff or has succeeded in this type of program before I would pay their way in. I didn't mean I would pay just anyone's way in.

I do like your ideas and others I have gotten here. I am not sure how I would be able to track sales sent to my aff site though. As far as I know I could set it up so I know who is sending traffic, but not who's traffic converted.

The reason I have not been commenting much on the suggestions is because I plan to rebump this thread once it qualifies for that, and let the forum vote for who they think deserves the $500. (I want to have as little influence on that outcome as I can.)

Corey's comments on paying people to join got a response out of me and engaged me in discussion, but for the most part I am trying to hold back my comments as I do not want to influence the upcoming vote in any way.

If I feel my response will help provide important info I respond.(Such as there is a free option with pass up sales, or that I am considering paying certain types ways in who are top tier aff's).

Thanks for the contributions Debbi,

Aaron

[coreytucker]

Ok I have been brainstorming and have another suggestion. It may not be great lol but guess I will post it anyways.

Lets say that I want to join your program and really think I can promote it well. Im excited but at this time in my life I really cannot afford to fork out nearly $700 bucks.

I would contact you and ask if I could perhaps write 100 articles for you of your choice. Maybe you could offer something like that. Alot of online marketers have skills in content writing and other areas.

If you already outsource some stuff maybe you can provide some of these people "jobs" and pay their way in after they complete the jobs. I don't know though, sounds like a real pain right?

I mean if you know the guy whos doing the work for you can preform its worth the effort. Just an idea, maybe outsource them if you outsource anyway and kill two birds with one stone. Ok back to the boards to think of more ideas

[dbressler]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

Hi Debbi,

I also have considered that paying the way in for someone would devalue the opportunity. It is something I wouldn't advertise on any sales page or responder series. If it was someone I knew was a super aff or has succeeded in this type of program before I would pay their way in. I didn't mean I would pay just anyone's way in.

Aaron

Hi Aaron,

Yes, I understood what you meant! If you pay everyone's way in that defeats the purpose. LOL!

Your program reminds me a lot of 1StepSystem that launched back in 2006. I just did a search for them and, it appears they are not around any longer. I can't remember their exact price point, but I think it was in the $500 range.

Over a very short period of time, 1Step reps found themselves trying to best each other by price cutting. The products were mentioned as an afterthought, and the make-money crowd interested in this type of program was contacted quickly. Without some emphasis on products (I don't think they were PLR; maybe resale rights, but a lot in the training area with audios, ebooks, etc.), it was difficult to expand outside of this market. (That being said, a lot of people jumped into it and made a lot of money with it. But they knew it would be short-lived. They got in - hit it hard - and jumped out before it crashed.)

By the way, that program did attract a fair number of mid-level IM'ers because I saw their names when I was given access to do an evaluation for a client.

This has also happened to Coastal Vacations over time. Their $1295 program could be had on eBay for $395 and people were giving cameras, laptops, etc. as bonuses. I also just did a search on Coastal and it doesn't look like anyone is promoting that program anymore as well.

Obviously, I know you want to promote this program for the long term. But, in developing your plan, be sure to have a backend to offer these people in case something happens in the future. Although you are seeking highly influential marketers, their lists may not be comprised of the same. Continue to brand yourself and provide value to this list, so that you can steer them in a different direction if need be.

Again, good luck!

Debbi Bressler

[coreytucker]

I've been thinking and im running low on ideas,lol. This may be a little far fetched but it is an idea. I would only use this on people in my niche who I know are good at marketing and worth the trouble of going through so many hoops to get.

Lets say that you work in the weight loss niche and you have a mailing list of say 10,000. You find someone who has a product in the niche and let them promote their product via your list. Only if its a quality product of course that you feel comfortable offering to your list.

Now you keep perhaps 50% of the profits and he keeps the other 50%. His 50% pays for your program and now he can join for free. Ok this is far fetched I know and is alot of trouble. You have to have a list also and its alot of foot work. There's alot that could go wrong too I suppose.

I think im out of ideas at the moment and im sorry if this idea is stupid,lol. It very well might appear like the dumbest idea to many reading this I know. I just can't come up with much right now that I have not already said. Good luck

[SarahMcHarry]

Originally Posted by dbressler

Hi Aaron,

Your program reminds me a lot of 1StepSystem that launched back in 2006. I just did a search for them and, it appears they are not around any longer. I can't remember their exact price point, but I think it was in the $500 range.

Debbi's reply has reminded me that my earlier suggestion of creating a brandable ebook was for the 1StepSystem. There were a lot of high level affiliates promoting this system at the time.

Here's the ebook that Stephanie Woolford-Bales produced to promote the product. This ebook went viral and each affiliate that she recruited had the rights to produce their own brandable copy of it.

1 Step System Success

I wouldn't recommend having it so long-winded but the book does a good job of selling the biz opp. She made a lot of money doing it this way and so did the people she recruited.

Sarah

[Ben Rudge]

Originally Posted by coreytucker

How about this. Not sure if you can do this or not with this program but this seems like a good solution.

You find a reputable online marketer that you trust right? Now you actually give him your affiliate link and let him promote the offer for free. You figure out some way to track his advertising to see when he makes a sale.

Now instead of him paying you to join you simply let him in for free and give him your link to promote. After he makes enough sales (whatever that may be) you pay for his membership and now the guy is in for free! If im not missing something this seems like a fantastic solution that would work and everyone is happy in the end

In my opinion, this suggestion is brilliant, Corey! Starting them off with your own affiliate link. Genius! Just 2x$500 commissions would MORE than cover the cost of their $697. You could even go further and thank them by passing on the remaining $303 to them, seeing as they made those sales for you. It ends up costing you nothing but you now have an affiliate who has just proven that they can come up with the goods (sales). Passing on the $303 profit would contribute to solidifying a healthy business relationship too... which is always a good thing.

Regards

Ben

[tschlotter]

Most PLR membership sites that don't give out detailed info on what they offer cost MUCH less and the successful ones are usually started by marketers that are well known for quality products, i.e. other internet marketers know them and will pay to promote because they're reasonably sure they'll be getting access to a good product line.

Since the sales page is really general as far as the products and discounts, I think the best way to overcome the price objection (as far as affiliate marketers are concerned) would be to give a free membership to one or two well-known marketers that actually sell high priced products themselves - IF you can get them to agree to review the program. Of course this approach would only work if the actual value IS at least $697!!

My number one tip to overcome your objection can be summed up in one sentence - get Frank Kern to give it a thumbs up!!

Good Luck,

Tina

[coreytucker]

Originally Posted by Ben Rudge

In my opinion, this suggestion is brilliant, Corey! Starting them off with your own affiliate link. Genius! Just 2x$500 commissions would MORE than cover the cost of their $697. You could even go further and thank them by passing on the remaining $303 to them, seeing as they made those sales for you. It ends up costing you nothing but you now have an affiliate who has just proven that they can come up with the goods (sales). Passing on the $303 profit would contribute to solidifying a healthy business relationship too... which is always a good thing.

Regards

Ben

Thanks alot Ben It makes sense to me too,lol. But Aaron says they already have a free sign up option though. But I bet its something like making 3 sales and your in while with this way you make only 2 sales and the new affiliate already profits. Like you said you also have a proven affiliate that you know can make you money and it cost you nothing. Thanks for the kind words again

[AaronJones]

This contest is still open, so submit your answers, post simply to call me a scammer,or whatever. I am here, this is my real name, I'm easy to find and this offer is still open!

I'll need to have thick skin to succeed online no matter what I promote, there will always be people trying to bring others down. I have faith that in the end I'll be vindicated.


I want to succeed and I'm paying for the info that will help me present this opportunity to affilliates.

You want to bring drama, bring it and the views that come with it, but only the constructive answers to my question will pay someone $500.

Aaron

[TimRobinson]

Originally Posted by AaronJones

This contest is still open, so submit your answers, post simply to call me a scammer,or whatever. I am here, this is my real name, I'm easy to find and this offer is still open!

I'll need to have thick skin to succeed online no matter what I promote, there will always be people trying to bring others down. I have faith that in the end I'll be vindicated.


I want to succeed and I'm paying for the info that will help me present this opportunity to affilliates.

You want to bring drama, bring it and the views that come with it, but only the constructive answers to my question will pay someone $500.

Aaron

Lol nice work on deleting the 3 posts explaining how this is an illegal pyramid scheme by members here.

Dude you're in way over your head. You can ignore members here and that's all well and good, that's not what you should be worried about. You now have 2 choices:

1. Get out of the scheme, admit you were wrong and quit while you're ahead.

2. Keep going, Wait until the FTC shuts the site down and freezes all your money, then have fun explaining how your "legitimate money making system" works to them.

It's your call, but I sure hope you don't take option 2, because they ain't as forgiving as the mods here seem to be.

If you do chose option 2 you can kiss the rest of your internet marketing career good bye, because if you get caught running a scheme like this it's going to be a pain in the ass to ever start a business or join a MLM / Network marketing program again.