Warrior Forum Moderator Updates

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Hi everyone,

From today we have decided to have all of the Warrior Forum moderation done by internal Warrior Forum/Freelancer.com staff. We have had a lot of community moderators over the years. They have done an amazing job of enforcing the forum rules as well as ensuring the forums and marketplaces are safe and valuable for everyone.

I would especially like to thank Paul Myers, and the rest of the community moderation team as they have contributed a huge amount of time and effort to moderate the forums. They have all been a great help to us after Freelancer.com acquired Warrior Forum.

Moving forward we will be revising the forum and marketplace rules and our internal Warrior Forum team will be moderating the forums. We will be posting the new WSO and forum rules shortly.

Our goal moving forward is to be fair and transparent with all decisions we make with the aim of growing the Warrior Forum userbase, ensuring quality in conversation and offers sold in our marketplaces as well as remaining the #1 Internet marketing forum and marketplace in the world. The decisions our staff moderators make are final and we ask the community to respect the decisions and the work that they do to ensure the forum continues to run smoothly and be a valuable place for everyone. We won't be dealing with support issues via the forums but will be more than happy to address all issues in our Support Desk.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    It would have taken you very little extra effort to send PMs to the mods involved. I found out this morning when I couldn't use my mod tools. Some of us have been doing this for several years on an unpaid basis.

    I didn't expect thanks, just common courtesy.
    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      It would have taken you very little extra effort to send PMs to the mods involved. I found out this morning when I couldn't use my mod tools. Some of us have been doing this for several years on an unpaid basis.

      I didn't expect thanks, just common courtesy.
      Sorry about not sending the message before you read this. We've sent emails and PMs to basically all the community moderators. I've sent you a message now.
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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    Oh, bad move.... I understand the logic but can tell you don't see its obvious flaw.

    Good luck, you've just devalued your asset. I hope your accounting dept. has a handle on how to properly allocate the accumulated depreciation of a digital asset.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Oh, bad move.... I understand the logic but can tell you don't see its obvious flaw.

      Good luck, you've just devalued your asset. I hope your accounting dept. has a handle on how to properly allocate the accumulated depreciation of a digital asset.
      Disagree my man. changing mods is their right and to be honest theres just too much hostility between the old guard and the new owners. I am surprised this didn't happen earlier although I am by no means claiming all Mods or even most were not on the new team.

      Only issue I see is honoring the work done by the old mods. Replacing them is their call and completely within their rights to make.
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  • Profile picture of the author serpyre
    Well done WarriorForum, removes the service provider conflict of interest that's endemic all the community moderated forums - nice to see you're the first to bring it inhouse. Now just need to bring back the paid subscription model which will add further quality to the site.
  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Funny, Mike. I didn't see anyone saying it wasn't their "right".

    I'm sad about this. WF used to have a lot of class. I see that quality in rapid deterioration. I can't imagine Allen having ever treated his staff, paid or unpaid, with such disrespect as not sending notification well before making a public dismissal announcement.

    But then, the old forum was a community. We made friends and business associates here. Services were offered, but we were never spammed daily about them in our email boxes. We were considered smart enough to know what services we wanted and that they were there when we wanted them. The money mill mentality has been taking hold over time, though.

    The old community is dying off. Many of us are trying to ignore the changes by hunkering down in the OT forum, I'm seeing a real drop in participation there, too, of the people I look forward to chatting with when I come in here. It's really sad after decades of developing a community to see it on its way out. Like it or not, this place is changing. We either just ignore it or find another community that we're more comfortable with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      I'm sad about this. WF used to have a lot of class. I see that quality in rapid deterioration.
      Funny sal. I haven't detected that quality in WSOs for years. Whose watch that happened under the evil Freelancers?

      I can't imagine Allen having ever treated his staff, paid or unpaid, with such disrespect as not sending notification well before making a public dismissal announcement.
      No people just got booted and banned with threads locked for making the wrong observations . Still I would say thats shoddy but that Alaister has said he did email them. Perhaps thats not true and its not in their email box but the usual crowd always knows whatever he says isn't true before they even know for sure. Meanwhile allen is gone. he sold out What does he have to do with anything?

      Have you considered the possibility that just maybe if there is bad blood its the group you are a part of that helped to create that with all the "allen this" and it was all roses and peaches until the day the rebel forces and darth Vader took over fantasy talk? To hear you talk its like WF was just this wonderful place that all people of the world came to be blessed and make money while hula girls (or guys) danced in the background not the one that has a pretty bad reputation on the rest of the net earned a LOOOOONG time ago..

      The money mill mentality has been taking hold over time, though.
      Pure nonsense to put that at the feet of Alaister and freelancer Sal. like it just happened this year. The money mill started taking over the day it was decided anybody could post just about anything for a War room membership and $20 and then $40. Who did that Alaister? or Allen?


      Many of us are trying to ignore the changes by hunkering down in the OT forum, I'm seeing a real drop in participation there, too,
      Ecstatic to hear. the last time I was in there I read a whole lot of racist stuff and then got a PM that my objections to the racism had earned me a threat of being banned from there (cue the excuses including my objections to racism were not genteel enough).

      Once again I am not for the Mods not being notified if they were not and I have suggested a constructive way to honor them but as your post proves the attitude against new ownership goes way beyond that and a lot of it is just about cronyism.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post

      The old community is dying off. Many of us are trying to ignore the changes by hunkering down in the OT forum, I'm seeing a real drop in participation there, too, of the people I look forward to chatting with when I come in here. It's really sad after decades of developing a community to see it on its way out. Like it or not, this place is changing. We either just ignore it or find another community that we're more comfortable with.
      Indeed. The word community really doesn't apply much anymore. Entire forums filled with cookie stuffers, link droppers, and people who barely know a word of English, much less any real information on the topic they're spouting off about. It's like an invasion of bots, only their conversation is just barely intelligible enough that you can't report it. There is no engagement, no great conversations, no humor and camaraderie that existed here for a long time. The "improvements" aren't much of an improvement ... riddled with bugs and barely functional, completely borked up search function, but the worst part is not what they've done to the commercial sections ... it's the destruction of the community. That's Growth Hacking for ya baby ... blind acquisition of the most undesirable members a forum can have just to bolster the membership numbers. Yeah, that makes sense.

      Yeah, I get it. Freelancer doesn't make any money on community and great conversations ... they think. But it is the successful, intelligent people who participated in the community that made the commercial sections worth visiting and buying, and who had intelligent advice for all the others who were trying to make it online. For the most part, that's gone. Try asking advice of these new little botlets and what do you get? Me use "xxxxx" (drop spam link here) ... it's really great.
  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    I have been attempting to judge the new ownership slowly.
    The loud images, the illogical messiness of the rearranged forums,
    and the sudden influx of successful Blue Fart marketers in every
    part of the forum rather than localized in only their spammy areas.

    I've come to the conclusion that I'm very thankful to you for
    making this place feel more like Digital Point and Black Hat World...
    It's always a pleasure to watch people purchase silly old stone buildings
    and gut them, flipping them into a Sarasota McMansion for fun and profit!

    The pretty (substance-less) words are always my favorite parts:


    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Our goal moving forward is to be fair and transparent with all decisions we make
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    The decisions our staff moderators make are final
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    Still seems a bit low from any end of the spectrum. Regardless of whether it's their asset - the mods should have been part of that asset. Some moderators take their positions seriously, as a way of contributing to the community. It's like being slapped by Penguin. You wake up one day and find out you've lost a thing you care about.

    I've never had a problem with Friedman or Yukon (didn't even know Yukon was a mod!!) - so that goes to show how intouch they were. If WF turns into a nazi-hole, traffic will decline I'm sure. Part of the fun is that the SEO forum is full of crap in between some decent advice. Every thread spurs a Mike Anthony American superiority contest - but that's what makes WF, right?

    We'll see.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mike,

      You're talking stuff you don't know about except from second-hand accounts. Yes, there were some very strong policy disagreements. There was not, as far as I know, personal hostility.
      No people just got booted and banned with threads locked for making the wrong observations.
      Oh, stop. You got a time-out or two for being a dick. Just like a bunch of other people. And just like you're doing now, if in a slightly less obnoxious tone.

      There are less than 3 dozen people on the planet who actually have the experience to comment on the things you're alleging happened between the old guard and the new management. You are not one of them.

      Repetition of unsubstantiated crap is probably more responsible for the "reputation" you claim than any actual issues. That's not to suggest that problems have never existed, of course. It simply means that they were never what you make them out to have been.

      Here's something for you to consider: Anyone who makes a conscious effort to manipulate SERPs is, by definition, a scammer. They may be playing by the "rules," but that doesn't make their work any less deceptive.

      Your entire profession is, by its very nature, a con game played on the public through Google's algorithms.

      Mote. Timber. Your stone to throw?

      Freelancer owns the place. They get to make the rules.


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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post


    with the aim of growing the Warrior Forum userbase, ensuring quality in conversation
    Looking forward to that then.
    Be sure to let us know when that's scheduled to start.
  • Profile picture of the author Colin Palfrey
    I went to moderate the competition section, couldn't find the controls, then found this post while searching for answers. Sigh. Just...sigh.
  • Profile picture of the author abdul786
    Surprised. I thought the basic rule was to keep the things intact with the business which made it a success.

    I'm afraid the things which made this place "Warrior Forum" are disappearing too quick.

    Well, the community-to-marketplace transition is underway.

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    Wow. Somebody really frosted your cookies somewhere up the line, didn't they? Your resemblance to the southern end of a northbound horse is unreal.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Here's the problem with the new moderation update.

    In the past, sub-forums had dedicated mods that were interested in each individual sub-forum. We could easily spot a self promoting spammer.

    Today, there's no sub-forum mods, you have mods only watching the New Post & the slim chance of watching the mod forum where a problem thread would be reported. Notice I said slim chance because I know how they usually get ignored & pile up which only started after the forum was sold.

    In other words, eliminating sub-forum mods is costing Warrior Forum unpaid advertising. I was under the impression the goal here was to turn a profit. Fast forward a year from now & the unpaid advertising (self promoting spam) won't be a pretty sight for forum members to sift through. It's already happening, go look at the SEO sub-forum, I'm sure the other sub-forums will follow.

    I don't have a problem with moderation being moved in house but really from what I see you've eliminated moderation instead of replacing volunteer moderators. At the very least don't cheap out, hire some dedicated sub-forum moderators.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Here's the problem with the new moderation update.

      In the past, sub-forums had dedicated mods that were interested in each individual sub-forum. We could easily spot a self promoting spammer.

      Today, there's no sub-forum mods, you have mods only watching the New Post & the slim chance of watching the mod forum where a problem thread would be reported. Notice I said slim chance because I know how they usually get ignored & pile up which only started after the forum was sold.

      In other words, eliminating sub-forum mods is costing Warrior Forum unpaid advertising. I was under the impression the goal here was to turn a profit. Fast forward a year from now & the unpaid advertising (self promoting spam) won't be a pretty sight for forum members to sift through. It's already happening, go look at the SEO sub-forum, I'm sure the other sub-forums will follow.

      I don't have a problem with moderation being moved in house but really from what I see you've eliminated moderation instead of replacing volunteer moderators. At the very least don't cheap out, hire some dedicated sub-forum moderators.
      You couldn't be more right and of course are in a position to know. I have opened up a lot of threads in sub-forums and the task there is not to find something useful to say ... it's cleanup. Constant. It's overrun with spammers and I'm very tired of opening all those threads and doing a clean sweep cleanup by reporting them. The spammers rule the subforums now, and that is precisely why there isn't any conversations worth joining. Between the outright blatant spammers and the "2014 I just joined and I know everything and I have a link in my sig spammers," the subforums have gone to waste.
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    • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Here's the problem with the new moderation update.

      In the past, sub-forums had dedicated mods that were interested in each individual sub-forum. We could easily spot a self promoting spammer.

      Today, there's no sub-forum mods, you have mods only watching the New Post & the slim chance of watching the mod forum where a problem thread would be reported. Notice I said slim chance because I know how they usually get ignored & pile up which only started after the forum was sold.

      In other words, eliminating sub-forum mods is costing Warrior Forum unpaid advertising. I was under the impression the goal here was to turn a profit. Fast forward a year from now & the unpaid advertising (self promoting spam) won't be a pretty sight for forum members to sift through. It's already happening, go look at the SEO sub-forum, I'm sure the other sub-forums will follow.

      I don't have a problem with moderation being moved in house but really from what I see you've eliminated moderation instead of replacing volunteer moderators. At the very least don't cheap out, hire some dedicated sub-forum moderators.
      This was my point in another thread on the topic.

      I've stopped reporting threads and posts once I realized that the new mods didn't understand how aggressive self promotion worked or what it looked like. They thought it was purely about a few links in a post... Classic sign of the blind leading the blind.

      It's pointless to have a moderator in something like the SEO section if that person doesn't understand the history or players in that field.

      As I initially said, I understand the logic, but the flaw in it was either not seen by Alaister or had been not taken seriously enough... By the time it is figured out any attempt to correct will come too late or involve the wrong people in all likelihood.

      In the mean time, I get to watch a few good guys talk about the very few good topics that come up while everything else goes to hell.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    The world evolves and like Paul commented:

    Freelancer owns the place. They get to make the rules.
    I hope it works out to the best of results.

    And I also thank all the unpaid moderators who helped out behind the scenes.

    I never before realized how many were involved.
  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I just want to make one thing abundantly clear: as one of the many moderators from the old guard who worked with the new Moderators from Australia, I can emphatically say that there was no hostility or ill feelings toward the new moderators, new admininstrator, or the new owners.

    On the contrary, we all worked well together, and we got along. We even encouraged them to ask us questions (and they did). Were there sometimes disagreements on policy? Of course. Were there times when we gave our honest feedback and opined on the some of the changes that were being made? Of course. But we only did it because we wanted to be helpful. Disagreement does not equate bad feelings or hostile feelings, especially in this case.

    While I have my own personal thoughts and feelings on what went down, there's no point in voicing them here. This place has new owners, they have their own corporate culture and way of doing things, they have different security protocols and policies, and only time will tell on how this place will do.

    I wish the new owners well and the new moderators good luck with their endeavors.

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  • Profile picture of the author ppcmanager
    Good move. A couple of sub-forums (like the "Joint Ventures" section) didn't had consistency in terms of thread approvals. Although the Mods had the best of intention, yet it seemed like a personal call of the mods rather than a standard policy.

    I hope such inconsistencies are removed moving forward.
  • Profile picture of the author Net66
    I just want to publically thank all those who have moderated the forum up until now and done a grand job. You've certainly given the freelancer staff a standard to try to live up to!

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  • Profile picture of the author mrmarketer1
    Significant thanks for all the Old Mods for everything they did in their effort to keep the wheels from coming off. I would not be surprised if they are not get called upon again at some time in the future.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    I want to just add my thanks to the outgoing (or outgone) volunteer mods.

    You were not always perfect and I didn't always agree with mod decisions or actions but you did a tough job and you did it well and - importantly - you did it for the community rather than for a wage. So that deserves a huge "bravo".

    Let's hope the new team will be as dedicated and insightful as you guys (mostly) were.
  • Profile picture of the author snginc
    I want to thank all of the outgoing moderators. I have learned a lot from Paul (after getting a dont do that pm). He was my go to guy when I had questions about questionable things going on the forum.

    It will be interesting to see how things go with the turnover.

    Jerome

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