Warrior Forum Going Back To Paid Status

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The Warrior Forum Returns To Paid Membership!


$97/year for War Room Membership:

Those who upgrade to War Room Member will be able to:

* Post Warrior Special Offers (Special Offer Posting Fee Still Applies)

* Get Instant Access To The War Room

* Get Instant Access To ALL Warrior Ask Me Anything (WAMA) Recordings

* Able To Create Thread In Warrior Joint Venture Forum

* Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Blog

* Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Social Group

* Will Have No Restrictions On Private Messages And Will Be Able to Store Up To 400 Messages

If you would like to Upgrade to a Full Warrior Member just sign up as a War Room Member using the link below:

Click Here To Upgrade

(Upgrading Is Only A Yearly Fee)


Why this change has been made:

The forum is getting overrun with "less than acceptable" people who have discovered how easy it is to make money with Warrior Special Offers and that they can get a site indexed within minutes by posting a junk blog on the forum.

I deleted 7 blogs last night that were made by people with zero posts to their name. These are not serious members, these are spammers.

It's been my experience that people who pay for something respect it more and are at least willing to read the rules.

I know this will not stop all the problems but it will drastically cut down on them.

Thank you for understanding..

Allen

If you need more reason to join the War Room..check out these threads..

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  • Profile picture of the author Doug
    Thank you Allen!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Amen brother!
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    • Profile picture of the author pchi
      thank you Allen
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    • Profile picture of the author S.L.F.
      Originally Posted by Doug View Post

      Thank you Allen!
      This is my first thread. I am trying to learn about online publishing. Not sure who the major players are, and if these companies are rated.

      Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Best news I've heard in a long time! It was getting so a person couldn't even take a leak around here without hitting somebody else!

    Thanks Allen!
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    • Profile picture of the author kahndoit
      Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      Best news I've heard in a long time! It was getting so a person couldn't even take a leak around here without hitting somebody else!

      Thanks Allen!

      Hey Chris,

      Sounds like you need to get your eyesight tested
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    • Profile picture of the author nvs74191
      Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      Best news I've heard in a long time! It was getting so a person couldn't even take a leak around here without hitting somebody else!

      Thanks Allen!
      My sentiments, exactly. A big thanks to Allen>
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas William
    at last! A decisive kick in the butt to get me into the war room

    I've been procrastinating on this for months now so looks like it's time to pay up
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    • Profile picture of the author sony_isser
      Thank you Allan! Kick the spammers out of OUR WARRIOR FORM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    Agreed Allen...got a bit daft recently. Appears more and more spammers are telling more spammers to post one liners here!

    Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author DennisM
    Hi Allen,

    Great news! Yeah, it was getting pretty out of hand here. Thank you for cleaning house!

    Dennis
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    • Profile picture of the author barry dixon
      hi there,i was wondering,I just paid for full membership and it wont let me in,can you help please
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    • Profile picture of the author Bubba6590
      Thank you, I would be more than happy to pay a fee because i have seen and actually wasted some of my valuable time researching these so called claims of success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    I understand why you did this. However, I can't help but feel sorry for the people who would be new and would give quality contributions to get their post count up and then run a quality WSO.

    I know that if they have something of worth to sell, the $37 + the $20 WSO fee would be made back. However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      I understand why you did this. However, I can't help but feel sorry for the people who would be new and would give quality contributions to get their post count up and then run a quality WSO.

      I know that if they have something of worth to sell, the $37 + the $20 WSO fee would be made back. However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.
      Please understand that I don't think this is up for debate.

      That being said, I think it's a good thing for EVERYBODY. First, they still have some access to the awesome information here. If they are not able to put enough of that into action, then it's a good lesson.

      Second, they're never going to make their $100s or $1000s or whatever if they can't even come up with $37.

      What I'm getting at is maybe they will treat IM like a business if they have to pay about as much as it costs to subscribe to their favorite magazine (or a month of cable, or a bunch of other examples one could mention).

      All in all, it's an incredibly positive development on ALL sides of the fence.

      All the best,
      Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      I understand why you did this. However, I can't help but feel sorry for the people who would be new and would give quality contributions to get their post count up and then run a quality WSO.

      I know that if they have something of worth to sell, the $37 + the $20 WSO fee would be made back. However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.

      Jason,

      Anyone who knows me from years back know I've always been the same way. However, things change. If what is going on now is allowed to continue this forum will be another DP in less than 6 months.

      The way I've done it I've made sure that those needing a hand up can still get it. They can still browse the forum freely without paying a dime for anything.

      Allen
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Allen, even though I am a War Room Member, I was made one in the early
        days for whatever reason (can't remember because the Alzheimer's or
        whatever the hell I have wrong with my memory is setting in) and didn't
        have to pay.

        I'd like to now make a contribution and become a true paid member. If I go
        to the upgrade link (being that I am a War Room Member already) will that
        screw things up?

        I don't want to break the system.

        If it will make it easier to just send the $37 to your PayPal account, I
        can do that as well. I have enough WSO receipts to be able to find where
        to send it to.

        Let me know how to handle this.

        And thank you for the best forum on the Internet hands down.

        I appreciate it more than you will ever know.
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
          Thank God...

          An investment in business truly keeps you involved in it. It's weird that people who want to be "internet marketers" would ever balk at buying something. Seems that if you buy other people's stuff and it helps build your business then it's an excellent investment.

          A free membership to this forum is an excellent investment in time but with these economic times (I hate that phrase b/c it's so overdone in the media) people are getting on here and not wanting to ever spend money.

          If you aren't willing to spend money on this forum...then forget about ever building a true business.

          You really have to spend money to make money...at least to get to major levels.

          It's not much but this 37$ upgrade is nothing compared to the value you get. Instant 1000% ROI in my opinion.

          Thanks for weeding out the tire kickers and freebie seekers Allen.

          Cheers,

          Brad
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        • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
          Steve,

          You could just Paypal the money to me and I could just hand the money
          to Allen the next time that I see him :-)

          Wait... I've never seen Allen.

          Maybe your idea is better.

          Great idea Allen.

          Willie
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        • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Allen, even though I am a War Room Member, I was made one in the early
          days for whatever reason (can't remember because the Alzheimer's or
          whatever the hell I have wrong with my memory is setting in) and didn't
          have to pay.

          I'd like to now make a contribution and become a true paid member. If I go
          to the upgrade link (being that I am a War Room Member already) will that
          screw things up?

          I don't want to break the system.

          If it will make it easier to just send the $37 to your PayPal account, I
          can do that as well. I have enough WSO receipts to be able to find where
          to send it to.

          Let me know how to handle this.

          And thank you for the best forum on the Internet hands down.

          I appreciate it more than you will ever know.
          Now that’s what I call a quality Warrior Forum member! I’ll definitely be looking out for your posts Steven.

          Thanks and keep doing what you’re doing.

          Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        Jason,

        Anyone who knows me from years back know I've always been the same way. However, things change. If what is going on now is allowed to continue this forum will be another DP in less than 6 months.

        The way I've done it I've made sure that those needing a hand up can still get it. They can still browse the forum freely without paying a dime for anything.

        Allen

        As one of the most frequent WSO posters (I've sent Allen around $1,500 in WSO fees over the last year), all I can say is THANK YOU!!

        This is a HUGE step in the right direction. The WarriorForum is all about high quality information. We don't want it to become the next DP.

        I'll be joining as a full member!
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      • Profile picture of the author DonTino
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        Jason,

        Anyone who knows me from years back know I've always been the same way. However, things change. If what is going on now is allowed to continue this forum will be another DP in less than 6 months.

        The way I've done it I've made sure that those needing a hand up can still get it. They can still browse the forum freely without paying a dime for anything.

        Allen
        I agree with Allen on this one. The best forum is made up of people that are serious about IM.

        Tino
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      • Profile picture of the author cemrz
        I am grateful for this forum and for whatever I can grasp from it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Yankabilly
          Hi All

          The WR is Great, you will get more then your money's worth - promise.

          As everyone there is always willing to help...

          Be Good
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSaddleman
        Thanks Allen, That is exactly what needed to be said, you are still GIVING new members "FREE" access until they are ready and able to purchase a membership. I am one of those New Members, I joined today and can not afford to pay today but when I make my first sale I plan on paying for my Membership out of the Profit. I just hope I can get enough information, from the forum and its members, to help get that first sale. Thanks again Allen for your dedication to your Forum and its Members, The Saddleman,
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      EDIT: This in reply to Jason V (Weird, no quotes this time)

      I can't only partially agree with this. Yes, $37 may be a hurdle for some. However, this is business. If a Warrior can't invest $37 in their business, they would be well advised to start writing resumes.

      Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, forego a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.
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      • Profile picture of the author SolarFelineAU
        Well, I've just paid my AUD$45.05. I think this means I'm serious about this IM thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Originally Posted by SolarFelineAU View Post

          Well, I've just paid my AUD$45.05. I think this means I'm serious about this IM thing.
          Congratulations! It is vitally important to be serious about this IM thing. Those who are are the ones succeeding.
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      • Amen Kevin! Personally, if this were my forum, I'd charge MONTHLY for access to ANY of the forum. I've belonged to many private forums over the past few years (some paying as much as $97/month) and continue to belong to paid private forums today.

        I still can't understand why anyone who has a heartbeat can gain access to this forum and get tons of incredibly useful information - for free. If I were Allen, I would charge $5/month or even $25/year to gain access to the forum at all - never mind being able to post WSO's.

        At any rate, this change is a step in the right direction!

        Travis

        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        EDIT: This in reply to Jason V (Weird, no quotes this time)

        I can't only partially agree with this. Yes, $37 may be a hurdle for some. However, this is business. If a Warrior can't invest $37 in their business, they would be well advised to start writing resumes.

        Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, forego a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.
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      • Profile picture of the author Star Riley
        Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, fore go a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.[/QUOTE]

        That's all well and good since we are both living the Life of Riley I just had to go and put my two shillins in:

        Most people aren't Warriors and some people need help since Allen Says hasn't closed the Forum off to folks in need. A person who is currently in a financial crunch could still easily learn a few things freely on WF (I know I did) that can change their position if they are ready.

        Until a person has real value I'm not sure they should post anyways I would be embarrassed as "heck" to post crap on this forum as A real Warrior will quickly call your raggedy "ask" out!

        I do feel it is still important for people who just don't know what they don't know to be able to access the value of the forum just not be allowed to corrupt it with poop.

        Star "Wish I was Related to Kevin" Riley
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      • Profile picture of the author evodio
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        However, this is business. If a Warrior can't invest $37 in their business, they would be well advised to start writing resumes.

        Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, forego a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.
        LMFAO!! ))) Well said.
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      • Profile picture of the author artistdaddy
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        EDIT: This in reply to Jason V (Weird, no quotes this time)

        I can't only partially agree with this. Yes, $37 may be a hurdle for some. However, this is business. If a Warrior can't invest $37 in their business, they would be well advised to start writing resumes.

        Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, forego a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.
        I think the 37 bucks one time fee in this forum is well worth it than what I was paying for a crappy blog coaching program out there that did not even make me a dime for 3 months of being a member. I have been a free Warrior member in less than 2 months and the information and WSO's are real value for a buck. I will be joining very soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.
      If someone wants to start a business and $37 is too much for them, then they're not cut out for this.

      Brad
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    • Profile picture of the author Judge Groovyman
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.
      It is a shame when that happens. Hopefully in this case, the people who can't afford the $37 up front are a minority as well.
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    • Yes I myself am new here and will have to pay the fees when I make some money. I would like it to be paid to keep out the ones just using the site for their own personal gain. I agree. ezinemaster
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    You ever feel so happy you just want to sing and dance?





    Thanks, Allen.

    All the best,
    Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author BacklinkBadass
      EVER FEEL HAPPY, you just want to sing and dance?

      Ya, all the time...
      SO I DO

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason_V
    Pete,

    I think you may be misunderstanding. You can still be a free member. You just can't post a blog, run a WSO, or have a lot of stored PM's.

    Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

    All the best with your new forum.

    I paid to join in the first place. Won't do it again.

    Pete
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    • Profile picture of the author Blase
      Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post

      Pete,

      I think you may be misunderstanding. You can still be a free member. You just can't post a blog, run a WSO, or have a lot of stored PM's.
      Jason, I think you misunderstand. I know exactly what Pete is saying.

      He and I paid $49.95 to join the Warrior forum as LIFETIME
      members years ago.

      We had all of the privileges that are being sold again for
      $37.00.

      I can't put words in Pete's mouth, but I think he's saying.

      We already paid for this once.
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      • Profile picture of the author admin
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        Originally Posted by Blase View Post

        Jason, I think you misunderstand. I know exactly what Pete is saying.

        He and I paid $49.95 to join the Warrior forum as LIFETIME
        members years ago.

        We had all of the privileges that are being sold again for
        $37.00.

        I can't put words in Pete's mouth, but I think he's saying.

        We already paid for this once.

        Hi Blase,

        That's not actually true. The Warrior Forum is still here and you can access it freely. What you bought originally was access to the Warrior Private Site, which still exists.

        No one bought the right to post WSO's or blogs or social groups...
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        • Profile picture of the author Blase
          Originally Posted by admin View Post

          Hi Blase,

          That's not actually true. The Warrior Forum is still here and you can access it freely. What you bought originally was access to the Warrior Private Site, which still exists.

          No one bought the right to post WSO's or blogs or social groups...
          Obviously, I am not going to argue with you.
          My wife tells me I can't remember yesterday.

          I could have swore we had free WSO's back then.
          I know we didn't have blogs or social groups. I don't think
          we knew about them then.

          Where is the "Private Site"?
          And here all these years I thought this was it.

          I do have one more question, why is $37.00 going to
          stop all of the spammers? If I were a spammer I'd pay that
          to be here.

          Thanks,
          Blase
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          • Profile picture of the author admin
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            Originally Posted by Blase View Post

            Obviously, I am not going to argue with you.
            My wife tells me I can't remember yesterday.

            I could have swore we had free WSO's back then.
            I know we didn't have blogs or social groups. I don't think
            we knew about them then.

            Where is the "Private Site"?
            And here all these years I thought this was it.

            I do have one more question, why is $37.00 going to
            stop all of the spammers? If I were a spammer I'd pay that
            to be here.

            Thanks,
            Blase

            I sent you a PM with access details for the old private site..

            The $37 will not stop all our problems, that's not going to happen. What it will do is vastly reduce a certain type of person I don't want here. I'd really rather not go into fine details on that in public but there is no doubt that a major source of our troubles will be reduced and will help keep this forum at a level that's at least readable.
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          • Profile picture of the author seasoned
            Originally Posted by Blase View Post

            Obviously, I am not going to argue with you.
            My wife tells me I can't remember yesterday.

            I could have swore we had free WSO's back then.
            I know we didn't have blogs or social groups. I don't think
            we knew about them then.

            Where is the "Private Site"?
            And here all these years I thought this was it.

            I do have one more question, why is $37.00 going to
            stop all of the spammers? If I were a spammer I'd pay that
            to be here.

            Thanks,
            Blase
            Yeah, we DID have free WSOs! That changed only a few years back. I think Allen means that the warrior forum was a premium, and WSOs weren't an advertised feature, etc... In fact, ORIGINALLY, there was no special place for them. BUT, a few years ago, he changed the rules and abilities, so wsos can't be easily offered, etc... So I think technically he's right.

            As for the private site, I think he is talking about what I think used to be called warrior pro. It has a lot of documents, etc... It is a pity I never worked as hard as I should have, etc... SOME claimed they made THOUSANDS just selling what was there, since 80%+ had resell rights or was public domain. I don't remember the URL myself off hand. I keep meaning to check it out. ANYWAY, in the center of that was a link to the warrior forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author sgboston23
    When I have an offer, I'll join. In the mean time I will continue to lurk for the most part. Anything you can do to reduce spam is A-OK with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Excellent decision, Allen!

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Budwar385
      I don't understand why people question Allen's reason for switching the forum to paid membership to me it is quite obvious the guy knows what he's doing no one is a successful internet marketer for 13 years without knowing their stuff thank you Allen for enabling aspiring marketers to have this resource you truly are a pay it forward type business man and I'm sure it comes back to you ten fold for your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Great move Allen ... thanks for caring for the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2020
    Glad to see it. The warrior forum has been quality for years, let's keep it that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Sounds like a great move to me. Everyone will benefit in the long run, and the short run for that matter.

    I'm all for it.
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    • Profile picture of the author feelalive
      Is a good idea to get users to subscribe. In this way not everyone will can post all kind of entries.
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  • Profile picture of the author leesr
    What about current WSO's run by non-War Room members?
    I hope those are allowed to run their course.
    I've bought some, and have to continue to pm the sellers-- because they're trying to get them to work on my hosts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
    Wow. Thanks for doing this Allen, I joined up as a war room member a couple days ago and felt it was the best thing I ever did. Now its more than the best thing I ever did! I got in just in time.

    I also like the idea of letting people browse with out paying a dime. There are many goldmines to be found without paying for them to give newbies a leg up
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Allen,

      Thank you!

      I've been on the watch for a specific group to arrive here for a while
      and I believe you just nipped that in the butt.

      Now I can relax and get some rest/work done!

      Enough said.

      Have a Great Night.
      Michael

      PS. If you want to know whom I was worried about and why just PM me.
      I believe you already do know.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Awesome. Happily I'm in the War Room. I think this is good as we'll have more quality WSOs and such and less quantity. Kudos!
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  • Profile picture of the author leesr
    I'm not against the paid upgrade.

    But, on further reflection, I think this will devalue the War Room.
    Up until now it was populated by members who "chose" to be there. Probably due to someone elses recommendation, as in my case. I joined the War Room before I ever visited the forums, including the WSO.

    Now, all the spammers who want to stick here will also be in the War Room. Even though they might not of considered it otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by leesr View Post

      I'm not against the paid upgrade.

      But, on further reflection, I think this will devalue the War Room.
      Up until now it was populated by members who "chose" to be there. Probably due to someone elses recommendation, as in my case. I joined the War Room before I ever visited the forums, including the WSO.

      Now, all the spammers who want to stick here will also be in the War Room. Even though they might not of considered it otherwise.

      It won't really be a problem. The War Room is moderated so only the type of posts that are ok will make it in. Plus I think once a lot of the new members see how things go in there they will also have some great things to contribute.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        It won't really be a problem. The War Room is moderated so only the type of posts that are ok will make it in. Plus I think once a lot of the new members see how things go in there they will also have some great things to contribute.
        But, it might have less of a "limited quantities" kind of feel to it, you know?

        Other than that, reducing the amount of junk will be a good thing.
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          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          But, it might have less of a "limited quantities" kind of feel to it, you know?

          It would have to be just slightly less :-)

          You have to remember we're talking about human nature here. There will be tons who will dig their feet in and die and go to hell before they upgrade.

          The truth is it's only going to be a few more a day joining the War Room. Not as many as you would expect. Out of the huge number of people who register here a day only a very small fraction are serious. The rest are spammers, blog abusers and have their sights set on making money in the WSO room by running up 30 posts real quick. The vast majority of those people will not pay to upgrade, which is a good thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author lisag
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        It won't really be a problem. The War Room is moderated so only the type of posts that are ok will make it in. Plus I think once a lot of the new members see how things go in there they will also have some great things to contribute.
        True on the moderated posts, but how about the giveaways and the occasional access to WSO without having to pay? Those things will be somewhat devalued if everyone has access to them; especially the free WSO. No one is going to want to offer that because it kills the ability to sell it to non-WR members.

        I offer for consideration a two-tier membership. One gets you enhanced WF access and then you still sell the WR access as a separate item as you do now. That keeps the WR somewhat exclusive and looks good to you as a revenue model as well.

        Just a thought...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Hey Allen,

    Have you considered using the "thanks" as a way to qualify for WSOs? Maybe require someone to have 10 "thank you's" from 10 different Warriors before they could run a WSO. And each Warrior would need 100 posts in order to give a thanks.

    It's fairly hard to get a thank you and it would mean that the posts made were of high quality and a help to the community.

    If not, I'm still happy with the new changes. Those one line posts were a real pain:

    "Thank you for the good information."
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey Allen,

      Have you considered using the "thanks" as a way to qualify for WSOs? Maybe require someone to have 10 "thank you's" from 10 different Warriors before they could run a WSO. And each Warrior would need 100 posts in order to give a thanks.

      It's fairly hard to get a thank you and it would mean that the posts made were of high quality and a help to the community.

      If not, I'm still happy with the new changes. Those one line posts were a real pain:

      "Thank you for the good information."

      That's an interesting idea Kurt :-)

      I just wonder how long it would be before someone tried to sell 'thanks' on DP...LOL!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        I just wonder how long it would be before someone tried to sell 'thanks' on DP...LOL!
        I'm sure there would be ways of finding and banning people that would do that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dave Gammage
          Thank you, Allen. I think this is a good move for our beloved Warrior Forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Herman
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        That's an interesting idea Kurt :-)

        I just wonder how long it would be before someone tried to sell 'thanks' on DP...LOL!
        Less time than it would take to post the new rule.
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    • Profile picture of the author activetrader
      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      That's an interesting idea Kurt :-)

      I just wonder how long it would be before someone tried to sell 'thanks' on DP...LOL!
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey Allen,

      Have you considered using the "thanks" as a way to qualify for WSOs? Maybe require someone to have 10 "thank you's" from 10 different Warriors before they could run a WSO. And each Warrior would need 100 posts in order to give a thanks.

      It's fairly hard to get a thank you and it would mean that the posts made were of high quality and a help to the community.
      I think this is an excellent idea. IMO it would increase the quality of WSO's as well as the credibility. It is relatively easy to join the forum and to boost post count quickly but the quality of the posting is what gives a certain amount of credibility. As far as 'selling thanks' I don't think this is feasible.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrwoods
      One thing I noticed being new to the forum is you cannot post helpful links in your replies until your number of postings is up. It is harder to get thanks if you can't direct someone to an informational link. And, if you can't post WSO's your thank yous will not be there either. Speaking as a newcomer to the forum, I actually like the idea of paying to be a member and list WSO's. I believe it will be a self inflicted quality control that IM desperatly could use elsewhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wayne Cochrane
      Allen,

      I have not actually been able to find any written confirmation that free members will still be able to see WSO's.

      I feel that it would be a very large disservice to WSO posters if WSO's were only accessible to paid War Room members. (By the way I hate the name "War Room" Not a club I would like to tell my friends I am a member of!)

      I will pay my $37 as soon as I get confirmation that free members as well as War Room members will still be able to see and respond to WSo's.

      So, confirmation please!

      Thanyou!

      Wayne.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Snowdon
        I just found this place by accident. I was watching Steve Nam videos and by the way they are excellent training tools. He gave a great plug for the Warrior site and said that any newbie like myself should hang there hat there and learn and join in on the forums, so this cowboy is placing his hat in the ring and looking forward to signing on as a paid member real soon. Hope to learn a ton of stuff, I have been surfing the Net and have found that I want to learn from a few Gurus and focus on taking the baby steps in network marketing that will eventually lead to my success. I have been in sales and marketing most of my life, but never a network marketer, so hoping to learn more about it. This seems like a great place to learn, thanks Allen, I will be joining real soon as a paid member.
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        • Profile picture of the author madscots
          After reading through this thread, I have noticed several things. There are those that say the membership fee will drive people away, probably, but I believe that it will only be people who weren't serious about being here anyway.
          Another thing is those saying that people that won't pay $37 aren't serious about their business. Some of us don't have $37, we're in one of the deepest recessions in a long and, for me personally, it knocked my offline business literally offline (IT Support, no contracts in months). Add to that the fact that Uncle Sam has screwed around with my Veteran's compensation, and that $37 becomes a bit of a stretch, otherwise I would have joined before now (and still will when everything gets straightened out).
          Even without being a member though, the free information that you can get on this forum is beyond priceless. The number of successful people on here who freely share information is astounding. In the last few weeks I have gotten a lot of information just by reading what is freely available. I am now trying to figure out exactly what direction to take to get myself running online, after many years of stops and starts.
          I actually joined here quite a few years ago (05-06 timeframe) but lost my username and password when the forums changed. (Just a sidenote, I gave up after an hour or so of trying to play with the captcha to recover my old information (vision impaired), and created a new profile.)

          So this place is definitely worth it. And I'll be paying the $37 for the War Room, hopefully soon.

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          • Profile picture of the author Gerry Humphrey
            Glad to see the attempt at reducing spammers/scammers on here.

            While I cannot currently afford $37 I think it is a good idea to reduce the WSOs to more serious offers.

            I left a few months ago after trying to wade thru all the muck and honestly, I didn't know about the change until just a few minutes ago.

            I would join but all the attempts I have made at making money have just failed and now I am stuck with virtually no money ( <$2) and close to being homeless.

            Well, I better run off and see how it has changed the 'free' side of things.
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            • Profile picture of the author scraggz
              Haven't been here for a while, I end up spending too much time in here but came back to join the War Room. Unless you are in financial strife it is a no brainer.

              Having read a lot of the posts in this thread another perspective on it all occured to me and that is that forced membership of the War room might actually downgrade it's value.

              Previously it had an exclusive aura to it, might that now be taken away? For instance, members gave away some of their best stuff in there, I believe because they were giving to a restricted audience. It will now be like it's being presented to the whole of the forum excluding only free members of whom there'll be a lot less.

              As for spammers being deterred by payment, many of them think nothing of paying 50 bucks for a list of email addresses. I believe that more stringent rules and moderation would be more effective, make the *******s work for it, contribute, most of them wouldn't, that's why they're spammers in the first place.

              I'm sure there are many members who would be willing to volunteer as moderators to keep the place clean.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kezz
        Originally Posted by Wayne Cochrane View Post

        Allen,

        I have not actually been able to find any written confirmation that free members will still be able to see WSO's.

        I feel that it would be a very large disservice to WSO posters if WSO's were only accessible to paid War Room members. (By the way I hate the name "War Room" Not a club I would like to tell my friends I am a member of!)

        I will pay my $37 as soon as I get confirmation that free members as well as War Room members will still be able to see and respond to WSo's.

        So, confirmation please!

        Thanyou!

        Wayne.
        You can actually check this quite easily for yourself, without written confirmation. If you log out of the forum, you are effectively at the same status as a free member ie. - the forum only knows you are a War Room member once you are logged in.

        If you log out, you'll be able to see that you have full access to read all areas of the forum apart from the War Room.

        Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author LoACoach
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hey Allen,

      Have you considered using the "thanks" as a way to qualify for WSOs? Maybe require someone to have 10 "thank you's" from 10 different Warriors before they could run a WSO. And each Warrior would need 100 posts in order to give a thanks.

      It's fairly hard to get a thank you and it would mean that the posts made were of high quality and a help to the community.

      If not, I'm still happy with the new changes. Those one line posts were a real pain:

      "Thank you for the good information."

      Hi Kurt,

      May I please just take this opportunity, as a new member, to ask one simple question. How do you thank someone? I have tried but cannot find the link. I am sure the rest of the membership will think this is a very silly question but its got me baffled for the moment.

      Jack
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  • Profile picture of the author SickHippie
    Heh, I was wondering why I suddenly had a PM limit of 10 instead of 400 (or whatever it was). Well, it's getting late tonight and I still have some other business to take care of. I'll hit up that paid membership tomorrow.

    This forum has made me enough money just through sheer wisdom gained that I owe a bit back anyway. I certainly don't want another DP!

    Kudos to the admin for taking charge and cleaning things up. It's really difficult in a tight knit community to make bigger changes like this, but they almost always work out for the best in the long run.

    And since we are all here for the long run...
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  • Profile picture of the author upnorth
    IMO this is a good business decision.

    Those who understand the value will pay, the others will join eventually. And the unwanted spammers will stay out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Allen

      I will be very happy to see the WSO section returning to the level of quality I expect from the WF. I have been a wee bit dissatisfied with the WSO of late, but bit my lip due to the respect I have for our relationship. I believe this spot of house cleaning is just what is needed.

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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    Excellent decision!! Way to go!
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    Whew - glad I joined!
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  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    I was scared when I saw this cos there is no how I can pay because paypal hates Nigerians but thank God I already joined the war room months ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author AidanKay
    It's a shame, I literally only have about $11 US to my name. .

    It's good though, at least this place won't end up like DP ^^.

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    • Profile picture of the author bobsilber
      Originally Posted by AidanKay View Post

      It's a shame, I literally only have about $11 US to my name. .

      It's good though, at least this place won't end up like DP ^^.

      -Aidan.
      Hey Aidan,

      I read through your posts and you are trying to learn. Good for you. Send me a pm with your Paypal address and I will send you the money for the War Room.

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      • Profile picture of the author AidanKay
        Originally Posted by bobsilber View Post

        Hey Aidan,

        I read through your posts and you are trying to learn. Good for you. Send me a pm with your Paypal address and I will send you the money for the War Room.

        .
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        Hey mate,

        I sent you a PM. Sorry it took so long, had to delete my PMs =D.

        Cheers,

        -Aidan.



        EDIT:

        bobsilber came through and actually gave me the money for my upgrade!

        If you're allowed to do this, can anyone who reads this please click the 'Thanks' button under his post.

        THANK YOU!

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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
        Originally Posted by bobsilber View Post

        Hey Aidan,

        I read through your posts and you are trying to learn. Good for you. Send me a pm with your Paypal address and I will send you the money for the War Room.

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        That is Awesome Bob! Just goes to show that the people
        here at the WF really do CARE about the newbies making
        an attempt.

        It also proves that not ALL lawyers are heartless.

        I've been dragging my feet on joining the War Room myself,
        mainly because I bought into the Mind Warriors when Allen
        first created it only to see it be opened up as a free forum
        too.

        Doesn't look like that's going to happen with the War Room
        now though, so I guess I'll have to bite the bullet soon as I
        get a chance.
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      • Profile picture of the author k0zm0zs0ul
        Originally Posted by bobsilber View Post

        Hey Aidan,

        I read through your posts and you are trying to learn. Good for you. Send me a pm with your Paypal address and I will send you the money for the War Room.

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        Nice to see stuff like that from Warriors. I am all for the additional fee, I think it's well worth it and hope it does as intended to make this forum a better place to be all around.

        Best regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeLantz
    Allen,

    Sounds good. I hope it helps make things better around here, like in the good ol' days!

    Quick question: Is this going to change any of the rules and restrictions currently in the WSO forum? Like the 30 posts rule, PM rule, commenting rule?

    Also, did you see my thread about WSO Pro today? Would like to touch base with you about that.

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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by MikeLantz View Post

      Allen,

      Sounds good. I hope it helps make things better around here, like in the good ol' days!

      Quick question: Is this going to change any of the rules and restrictions currently in the WSO forum? Like the 30 posts rule, PM rule, commenting rule?

      Also, did you see my thread about WSO Pro today? Would like to touch base with you about that.

      Mike

      Hi Mike,

      Yes the 30 posts rule is going away. Send me a PM for other details...
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeLantz
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        Hi Mike,

        Yes the 30 posts rule is going away. Send me a PM for other details...
        Awesome, thanks for the clarification.

        So, am I correct in assuming that all members will still be able to view/post in the WSO forum, but just not be able to post a WSO unless they are a paid War Room member?

        WSO are already moderated, so this may not be a big issue, but don't you think if a spammer was already willing to pay $20 to post a WSO, that paying $57 will deter them? Mostly just thinking out loud here...

        I'll send you a PM about the other stuff.

        Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          I also believe this wont work. $57 or $20 is peanuts for spammers. And its a proven thing that you will make that money back even if your WSO is a total abysmal failure. This measly amount is not going to do it for spammers.

          If you want to keep the spammers out simply BAN them, ban their IP addresses, require an extensive trial period (300 posts + 100 thanks + 100 days). Anything. Time investment and effort to get full rights here are much more effective detterents.

          That said, I think that cleaning up WF is a great idea, and now that I looked I realize that the war room is only $37, so I'm kicking myself for not buying in earlier. How stupid of me I'll be signing up right after I post this.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert Oliver
            Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!

            Great move Allen.

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            helping to weed out the problem makers.

            Feels like a breath of fresh air has come upon
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          • Profile picture of the author Greg Jacobs
            but really this is excellent. also lately the warroom has seemed to become a rehashed *free version of WSOs. Maybe we can clean that up too and leave it as a place for quality discussions and original thoughts, as I (not sure about others) find value in a private place to engage in intelligent discussions and new strategies rather than a place where I can pick up whatever WSO's or whatever report for free.

            especially since the membership will increaes it will be nice to really focus in the purpose of the warroom. this may mean less approved posts at first, however in the long run the quality posters will really start to come out of the woodwork as they see that their posts will not be bordered on both sides, by a ***FREE!!!!!*** WSO
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          • Profile picture of the author zerofill
            Cool...maybe this will keep Jeremy out....
            ...nevermind he already paid...blah

            Man Riley already paid too? ughhh....

            Oh well...be able to keep some of the undesirables out I guess...

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        • Profile picture of the author shanerbock
          Thank you! Good choice... Only concern is that my war room membership (from the beginning) is a little less exclusive. Otherwise, I'm happy!
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        • Profile picture of the author ryansjones
          It will probably be a while before I upgrade to paid status since currently I do no have the extra money to do so. However, on a postive note 1) I did finally started getting a decent conversion rate with one of my affiliate programs (namely Real Networks, after earning $129 in commissions the last week) and 2) I now have 2 day jobs, and so I will plan on saving up and then upgrading.
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        • Profile picture of the author rayray7
          It is unfortunate! This might sound good but consider the immplications. Most digital products profit tremendously from NEWBIES and to cut that out will affect the income of some sellers. You need the poor in any business environment because many strive to improve by buying a lot of the not so good products offered. I see a lot of offerings in here that are not up to par, is it time to review all offerings before been posted?
          Well I will join the war room. Do consider the immplications of your order: you need the less fortunate to create proper balance. Who will buy all the products if we all are smart? Your former setup was perfect and has contributed to the forums tremendous growth. Just like in any society, the poor perform essential functions and lets not pretend we want everyone to be smart, then who will buy all these digital products?
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Mater
            Originally Posted by rayray7 View Post

            It is unfortunate! This might sound good but consider the immplications. Most digital products profit tremendously from NEWBIES and to cut that out will affect the income of some sellers. You need the poor in any business environment because many strive to improve by buying a lot of the not so good products offered. I see a lot of offerings in here that are not up to par, is it time to review all offerings before been posted?
            Well I will join the war room. Do consider the immplications of your order: you need the less fortunate to create proper balance. Who will buy all the products if we all are smart? Your former setup was perfect and has contributed to the forums tremendous growth. Just like in any society, the poor perform essential functions and lets not pretend we want everyone to be smart, then who will buy all these digital products?
            I'm not sure what you're getting at here. "Newbies" and the "poor" have access to the WSO's and can still buy them. There are no implications as far as I'm concerned. It's a very smart move, in my opinion.
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          • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
            Originally Posted by rayray7 View Post

            It is unfortunate! This might sound good but consider the immplications. Most digital products profit tremendously from NEWBIES and to cut that out will affect the income of some sellers. You need the poor in any business environment because many strive to improve by buying a lot of the not so good products offered. I see a lot of offerings in here that are not up to par, is it time to review all offerings before been posted?
            Well I will join the war room. Do consider the immplications of your order: you need the less fortunate to create proper balance. Who will buy all the products if we all are smart? Your former setup was perfect and has contributed to the forums tremendous growth. Just like in any society, the poor perform essential functions and lets not pretend we want everyone to be smart, then who will buy all these digital products?
            WOW! That's deep...but for those who knowingly peddle junk, it's too true. That way of thinking is for the weak, shallow and mediocre who will never go beyond a low 5-figure income (before deductions).

            The essence of what you're saying is understood but I hope you don't mean what it sounds like given your choice of words. What makes you think Newbies are poor and even worse, poor people are not smart? For example, when you were a Newbie, were you poor and not smart? Do you know what an Exabyte is? Petabyte? SPARQL? RDF Triples? Ignorant, doesn't know or un-aware is a better description for a newbie, don't you think?

            WHAT HAPPENED to all that HELP people are promised? I thought everyone is supposed to be making money online by HELPING those you sell products to. Sounds like keeping newbies over in the ignorant corner where "friends" offer to help get that "empty" wallet out is the real plan.

            The "smartest" thing you said is in red. Why does anyone sell products they have never used and would never buy because they know it doesn't work? Selling junk has nothing to do with income level or IQ...it affects students in college, homemakers, and everyone's retired "great" grandparents who are targeted as newbies too.

            I have never heard of anyone with white hair being "not smart". History wouldn't have to repeat itself if more young people had long conversations with older, VERY SMART people...then listened AND go pick their brains whenever possible... they won't let you unless you ask first! Anyone over 70 is a walking product that needs to be digitalized...How? Just go to How to Write eBook and that is NOT an affiliate link. Why he's got it marked down 70% I don't know but you will be shocked at how little he's asking for so much value -- he will personally make sure YOU succeed...seriously. He will and you can tell him I said that too!

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          • Profile picture of the author johnsamuels
            I have been a free member of this forum for quite a long time, and I think this is a great move. I will be signing on as a paid member.

            The one other thing that I would like to see is a return to the limit on when you can bump a WSO. It's gotten much harder to see which ones are fresh, as more aggressive bumpers simply dominate the first page.

            From a buyers perspective, it was not an improvement. Maybe now that only paid members can post a WSO, we could return to the old rules for bumping/reposting WSO threads?
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        • Profile picture of the author UltimateWarrior
          Agreed , Spammers are disgusting.
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        • Profile picture of the author amsjinjoe
          i am new to this forum i can say one thing about this, this forum is awesome i would pay even a 100$ to be here learning from others ,exchange ideas ,getting tips and much more, it's all worth it
          thanks admin
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        • Profile picture of the author khulet22
          Thank you for this good idea Allen. Cheer!
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        • Profile picture of the author ionsysproject2
          Great discussion is going on this warrior Forum Going Back To Paid Status i'd like to join with you guys and gain knowledge from it and thanks to Allen for great opinion...
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        • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
          Great Job Allen

          I feel more secure now
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe808
          Allen,

          Will I be able to post classifieds without the $20 fee once I upgrade?

          Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author revcook
          I just upgraded and I must say that it was well worth it.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Leyson
          I am only new to IM and less than a week ago found WF, I have been so happy with all the content and have picked up a few WSO already.

          I can't believe people who complain about such a small 1 of cost for such a quality service. Do people realize IM is a business? Too much hype has been given over the years to making money without spending a cent to do so.

          Reality check people, you will have to spend money to make money!

          I paid up as soon as I had seen the notice, and did it with a smile so happy to be able to help support such a good forum.

          WF has now become one of my first points of reference in the IM world

          A big thanks to everyone who gets involved here.


          Keep up the good work.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alansplace
          I have a couple of question

          1) How much is the WSO Membership

          2) How long is the membership for example 6 month, 1 year

          3) How Good is the VIP War Room

          Thanks for helping Have a nice day
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        • Profile picture of the author BlueGlobeSeo
          I appreciate for this good decision.
          thanks Allen.
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        • Profile picture of the author cordi
          Thanks! I've read great things about this forum and from Angela herself. Will upgrade soon. regards
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        • Profile picture of the author hadief
          Thanks for doing this Allen
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        • Profile picture of the author chemo38
          My War Room purchase was the best I made on this site!
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        • Profile picture of the author marketingbear
          Hi Allen and all,
          First post on the warrior forum, I just joined up today. Been lurking for almost a week, reading 1 thread that was EXACTLY what I was looking for. I just joined the war room, right before I read this post. $37 for the next 20 years of excellent information, I already made that with the info from this forum and I have only had ONE meeting with a client!!!!! Thanks to everyone, can't wait to learn more and hopefully start teaching ya'll something at some point in the future.

          Profitably yours,
          Eric
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          Just Joined ! Woooo Yeah!
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        • Profile picture of the author Costa Rica Surf
          I'm new to the forum and just learning what's available here. I agree that people don't things they get for free. I'll upgrade very soon.
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          • Profile picture of the author Trent Harrington
            Hi Everyone,
            My first post here - but I have already learned a lot. I'll be joining the War Room shortly - soon as I get a little more $ in. Definitely a great value I can see already.

            Thanks for all the great information.

            I will really value my being a part of this great forum.
            Thanks again,
            Trent H
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        • Originally Posted by grrbtn1959 View Post

          I am very new to trying to make it as an IM. I can understand why it has become a paid site but for us starting out $37 is still an amount that i would have to think about. $37 for me is 2 months hosting at aweber, or 4 months hosting for my web sites.
          As for the comment about if people can not afford the $37 how can they expect to earn $100's or $1000's is verging on the side of arrogance. To me that read as "how can you expect to make it without full access to the forums"
          Also if the fee is to stop people getting their hand on WSO easily, has it not occurred to you that if these same people know they are going to make more than $37 out of it they will cough up the fee for the upgrade anyway.
          The access to the war room buy paying for the upgrade is good news as it means the war room will not be viewed as an ellitist club for the boys, and the fact you will not have to get on the good side of one of the boys to get your invite.
          Dont get me wrong, i will still post and visit the forums as i think the knowledge already here is excellent. I probably will not pay for the upgrade untill i have earned some more money. In fact i may come back once i have made a couple of $100 just to prove you wrong that you do not need to be a full member of this forum to make money online.
          To block people who have not paid the upgrade fee from offering WSO is just putting another herdle in front of people trying to get started. In fact i have just had a great idea, would anyone like to recive my WSO, its based on setting up a forum site where you can post WSO for free ?

          The War Room never required you to 'be nice to a bunch of elitist boys' - it has always been paid access, the only change is the fact it is now required to post a WSO.

          The point isn't to get the upgrade fees, so it doesn't really matter if people coud pay for it out of WSO earnings. They have always been able to do that - the point is, that WF is moving away from that - this about maintaining quality in the WSO forum, not getting War Room members.

          You seem to have a whole bunch of wrong ideas about the War Room - I guess with five posts though you are very new to the site. Of course you can earn 100s without joining the war room - go for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Roy J. Keller
        I joined the forum back in 2006 and then paid to join the war room when it first came into play. I come and read more than I post since the many, many top marketers have already answered better than I could. There is no better forum on the net nor do the others have all the clout this one has.

        When I joined and was told that it had gone free it did not take me long to see the value that we got for free so paying for the war room was no problem and I think that things will only get better now that you are going back to paid.

        Thanks Allen for such a great place to learn and grow and it will only get better now.

        Regards,
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      • Profile picture of the author John Cussons
        Allen

        I agree this is a positive move...

        I had to check my profile because I wasn't sure if I was a The War Room member...

        I AM!

        Be Awesome!
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      • Profile picture of the author GainRealWealth
        Yes, because this is one of very very few places where I can get some real answers and direction as it relates to IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author reapr
        I think this is a fantastic idea!

        Don't want it to become like other forums I bailed from.

        It would also probably help to see a one post a day limit and no sigs or links in post unless a paid member. That way new members can still ask questions and have access to the board.

        Just my thoughts.
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      • Profile picture of the author homebizrockstar
        I didn't know this before as I am new to the forum. I think it is a great way to weed em out! LOL I will be signing up right now! thanks Allen
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      • Profile picture of the author stephenraj
        Great News,

        I would like to go for it. . .
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        • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
          Originally Posted by seoservices View Post


          1) What is War room and how i could get benefit from this. I am curious about to join this but i would like to know more about War Room.
          The War Room is a forum full of free products, plans, etc from members and from Allen. For example, people are giving away their WSO products inside the War Room. Basically, it's a treasure trove of products and information for one low price.

          Run a search for "war room" to get testimonials from plenty of satisfied people (the War Room way overdelivers based on price -- it's easy to find single threads in there that are worth MORE than the price of admission).


          2) After upgrading my membership, Do i need to pay $20 as well to post in WSO?
          Yes -- read Allen's posts in this thread for more information. But the short answer is yes... upgrading gives you the privilege of posting a WSO, but you need to pay the $20 each time.
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      • Profile picture of the author ladyniche
        I am a newbie and have had two questions answered withing 24 hours. I can't believe how many people are out there so willing to help, and clearly well informed. I am happy to join.
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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    hey Allen,
    I have a couple of questions.

    Those who upgrade to a Full Warrior Member will be able to:

    * Post Warrior Special Offers

    * Get Instant Access To The War Room

    * Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Blog

    * Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Social Group

    * Will Have No Restrictions On Private Messages And Will Be Able to Store Up To 400 Messages
    So the $20 WSO fee is gone? with this upgrade,or does the 20$ still apply,even after upgrading to war room?
    Just curious as I was thinking of putting up my first WSO.

    btw,WF is the best
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by designfuschion View Post

      hey Allen,
      I have a couple of questions.


      So the $20 WSO fee is gone? with this upgrade,or does the 20$ still apply,even after upgrading to war room?
      Just curious as I was thinking of putting up my first WSO.

      btw,WF is the best
      I'm going to guess that the $20 fee will still be in effect as that is a
      serious chunk of income for the forum, which I am sure takes a serious
      amount of money to keep running.
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by designfuschion View Post

      hey Allen,
      I have a couple of questions.


      So the $20 WSO fee is gone? with this upgrade,or does the 20$ still apply,even after upgrading to war room?
      Just curious as I was thinking of putting up my first WSO.

      btw,WF is the best

      The WSO fee still applies. This is just to help cut down on the number of them and the useless posts that resulted from the 30 posts rule.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author JCTunes
        Originally Posted by admin View Post

        The WSO fee still applies. This is just to help cut down on the number of them and the useless posts that resulted from the 30 posts rule.

        Thanks!
        For the person that asked about the WSO fee, this was the response from Allen to a previous post.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Exellent decision Allen!

    This will definitely increase the forum's professionality.

    Thanks for making the WF a better place.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Rich
      Cheers to great leadership.

      I was becoming concerned about being in a community where a purchase could be made with confidence that value would be exchanged for a few dollars between forum mates. My confidence is 100% restored. Thank you!!
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    • Profile picture of the author grey77
      'Bout time Allen -- thanks for all of us!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kat Bartone
      Hi Allen,

      I'm so happy that you've made this move. You're right - we've been heading in the wrong direction for awhile. In fact, I've been hanging out here much less frequently of late precisely because of some of the seediness that I've seen growing here. Yes, those seeds begin to take root, and before you know it, we're overrun with weeds.

      I'm just hoping that this will serve as enough of a deterrent to the undesired element. Already I noticed one fellow in the WR had been offering something free to WR members that he had running as a $10 WSO. Well, he started seeing it out on the 'net, freely available. Doesn't mean it necessarily came from a WR member, but it's possible. So he's started to charge for it - a nominal amount, grant you, but the idea is that he's realized that even in the WR, he has to do some 'filtering'.

      Bottom line, I wonder if the low price point for the WR will serve as enough of a deterrent? If someone is going to repeatedly throw out twenty bucks for a scammy WSO, they may not hesitate to lay out a measly $37 bucks to continue to have the right to do so.

      Ultimately, I have complete confidence in the decisions you make. Thanks for doing this.

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    • Profile picture of the author xtreme newbie
      For the access to the valuable content and advice on the forum, $37 is a very small investment. Glad I made the commitment to join the War Room last week. Nothing like having good intuition:-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      I haven't been here very long, but I really like the place. $37 seems like a very small investment to clean up the problems and enjoy a good business forum. Consider it done.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Hi Allen,

        This was a good decision what I expected. I can approve it only.

        Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author noangel
      Allen you have never made a bad decision when it comes to this forum...
      and this is no exception!

      Thanks,
      Angela :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author jjallan
      Allen I hope you read this:
      I have tried to get in touch with anyone from here to find out why i got kicked off! I went to open up warrior forum and i got this page that said i was baned for spaming. Now i dont spam and im a member of the war room . I dont even have a sig file on my post. Allen please tell me what happend or how i can fix it. The Warrior Forum is My life blood . I have got my hopes and dreams into this. and now im baned for life? I went to alexa to try and find out how to send you an email and it bounced back..Allen please help me. I had to sign up again just to get a message to someone.
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      • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
        Going back to a point made earlier - $37 will certainly prevent much of the spam.

        Think about Angela and Paul's backlinks - would you be willing to pay $37... heck even $2... per site to get a backlink? The average person certainly wouldn't.

        I've found that by charging, you do certainly cut out such problems by quite a high amount.

        A lot of people will take a free ride when things are free. But simply charging any amount (even $5) will stop such people taking a free ride.

        It's not so much the amount ($37) as the point of having to pay. Many simply get put off when they have to pay, hence they won't spam here.

        Originally Posted by jjallan View Post

        Allen I hope you read this:
        I have tried to get in touch with anyone from here to find out why i got kicked off! I went to open up warrior forum and i got this page that said i was baned for spaming. Now i dont spam and im a member of the war room . I dont even have a sig file on my post. Allen please tell me what happend or how i can fix it. The Warrior Forum is My life blood . I have got my hopes and dreams into this. and now im baned for life? I went to alexa to try and find out how to send you an email and it bounced back..Allen please help me. I had to sign up again just to get a message to someone.
        Just bumping this up (well quoting it) to maximise its exposure
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    • Profile picture of the author Luckies
      Excellent move!
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    • Profile picture of the author edhan
      Yes. I totally agreed with that. I am also happy that I have the chance of being a WR member today by a sponsor.

      This move will likely to boost the status of WF and people who come and participate will be serious to build business online rather than being spammers.

      We will all gain the limelight from WF and people will appreciate the recognition. All thanks to Allen for this nice decision. I hope to learn as much as I can and share with those in need of help.
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    • Profile picture of the author abo28
      Hello,

      I've just paid the 37 dollars and got in. It's worth it!

      IMHO, 37 dollars should not be a hurdle at all for someone who is serious about his/her business. Personally, I spent $200+ until I made my first dollar online. And I still have to spend... No risk, no win!
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    • Profile picture of the author wealth2moms
      Hi,

      I signed up and paid for the membership at the very beginning when it was a paid membership and hardly anyone was here. I think it was $25. Am I grandfathered into this.

      If I already paid once, is that fair to charge me again?

      thanks,

      Fern
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      • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
        Originally Posted by wealth2moms View Post

        Hi,

        I signed up and paid for the membership at the very beginning when it was a paid membership and hardly anyone was here. I think it was $25. Am I grandfathered into this.

        If I already paid once, is that fair to charge me again?

        thanks,

        Fern
        You are not being charged again... you have access to the forum.

        However, if you want access to the new features, features that did not exist when you and I first paid and joined years ago, then you need to pony up.

        In the 6 years that I have been a member I have never seen Allen do anything that was unfair or that did not ultimately benefit the entire forum.

        Honestly, I think he has a unique talent for decision making and facilitating the internet's best internet marketing forum and keeping it the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author Iain Ainsworth
      Fantastic News!

      Thank you Allen.
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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      This makes me glad I joined the War Room way back when you started it.

      But I must admit, although I immediately saw what fabulous content and community we have access to at the WF, I didn't realize just how high the quality was until I recently went in search of other marketing forums.

      To be honest, I'm shocked that most are so bad. Reading posts on other forums vs reading posts here, you quickly see the level of expertise of the members.

      Thanks, Allen, for doing what you can to build this great forum... and keep out the riff-raff.

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      • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
        Sylvia, I couldn't agree more. I've had the same experience and it is shocking - like the WF exists outside of time and space . . . in the Warrior (Twilight) Zone . . . How can people not know about this place, or (gasp) choose another forum over this one? Black holes? Parallel universes? There must be an explanation.

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        Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

        This makes me glad I joined the War Room way back when you started it.

        But I must admit, although I immediately saw what fabulous content and community we have access to at the WF, I didn't realize just how high the quality was until I recently went in search of other marketing forums.

        To be honest, I'm shocked that most are so bad. Reading posts on other forums vs reading posts here, you quickly see the level of expertise of the members.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott W
      $37 is a steal for this...if one can't afford to pay this price they might as well go back to working the 7-Eleven! Besides, I've paid way more for some monthly memberships...
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  • Profile picture of the author Creative Thinker
    I just joined war room 1 week back. Just in time
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  • Profile picture of the author Fox30
    great move...I will be upgrading shortly.
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  • Profile picture of the author yezbick99
    I paid the $20 WSO fee earlier today. I just paid an additional $37 to keep my membership here.

    Can I get a refund for my WSO payment as it is no longer neccesary to post if I pay the $37 for WSO membership?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
      Originally Posted by yezbick99 View Post

      I paid the $20 WSO fee earlier today. I just paid an additional $37 to keep my membership here.

      Can I get a refund for my WSO payment as it is no longer neccesary to post if I pay the $37 for WSO membership?

      Thanks
      See above. Per Allen's last post, the fee still applies. The $37 makes you a member and gives you the ability to post a WSO. Nonmembers can no longer post a WSO.

      The WSO fee still applies. This is just to help cut down on the number of them and the useless posts that resulted from the 30 posts rule.
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      • Profile picture of the author yezbick99
        Originally Posted by john_kennedy View Post

        See above. Per Allen's last post, the fee still applies. The $37 makes you a member and gives you the ability to post a WSO. Nonmembers can no longer post a WSO.

        Ok, thank you for pointing this out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    Great idea Allen! Any chance of the return of The Warrior Alliance?


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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post

      Great idea Allen! Any chance of the return of The Warrior Alliance?


      Andre
      I am a very excited newbie trying to learn things, so please forgive my ignorance, what is/was the "Warrior Alliance" ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        I am a very excited newbie trying to learn things, so please forgive my ignorance, what is/was the "Warrior Alliance" ?
        Terra

        The Warrior Alliance was a very special, Private, interesting place and limited to 500+ members that were really serious about IM!

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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Awesome move!

    Shoot, I had to pay to get in here many moons ago when us IM pioneers still had to walk up hill both ways in the snow to get down the hall to our home offices.

    Then I happily paid again to get into the war room. I think this is a good move, although, I would vote for a price increase for the upgrade.

    Talk soon,

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Great decision Allen.... with you all the way ...

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  • Profile picture of the author FreshMedia
    This is one of the most valuable forums I've come across. I joined the War Room about a week after joining the site. What I've learned here in about a month is worth its weight in gold. The price for membership is well worth it. Specially if it will help rid of spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Originally Posted by FreshMedia View Post

      This is one of the most valuable forums I've come across. I joined the War Room about a week after joining the site. What I've learned here in about a month is worth its weight in gold. The price for membership is well worth it. Specially if it will help rid of spam.
      How do you weigh electrons?
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      • Profile picture of the author Didier Faucher
        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

        How do you weigh electrons?
        The electron has a mass.
        It's about 9,10938215 × 10 (exp-31) kg
        (Not a joke )

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        • Profile picture of the author Ken
          Thanks Allen.
          I'm not a WSO seller, but I am a frequent purchaser and lately it's been a pain trying to separate the good from the trash. I hope this improves the quality of WSO offerings.

          The War Room is without a doubt the best IM value on the internet.

          Ken
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      • Profile picture of the author Kirk Ward
        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

        How do you weigh electrons?
        In Angstrom Units

        FYI, 36,437,268,112,632,987 Angstrom Units equals one teaspoon of ethereal cosmos

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  • Profile picture of the author designfuschion
    thanks for the clarification.

    I've been curious about the war room for awhile now. I'll join as soon as i hit 57$ in paypal lol

    and i agree...i wouldn't want to see WF turn into DP..
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  • Profile picture of the author tuxonio
    Great Stuff Allen...sometimes though decisions work for the better
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel O
    Although it's been said many times already, I still want to say it myself... Thank you Allen!

    You are smart (we all knew that already), because this will only serve to increase the value of the forum even more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elliott
    Good move, good to see!

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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Superb.

    This place was on its way to becoming "DP lite" and that's no fault of the great members here...it's just when a good thing comes along there's always someone who will exploit it.

    Hopefully this will only increase the caliber of members here.
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    Excellent decision Allen, I love it... I hope free members can't also post in the main forum and can't use signature because sometimes many are using the main forum to spam or promote their own business.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
      Allen,
      Just the kick in the butt some of us needed to get into the war room. The forum itself is so full of information its tough for people to digest, little lown implement and take action. I agree with an above post.

      Making so many thanks and posts a requirement too post WSO would be a huge benefit. It is almost impossible for someone to get thanks unless its of good value, Free or paid. I for one would love to see that implemented. So many warriors are experts in specific fields and areas, and that diversity is what makes this forum such a valuable place. I for one, like to contribute, but oh how i appreciate it when i have a techie question and someone in the forum can answer in it minutes.

      Please take my vote to install the thanks platform. If that count needs to be 100 i am all for it, even though i have only 48 or somewhere near that. I think that would really clean up the WSO section, and i buy an awful lot of WSO'S.

      Thanks again...For your commitment to keeping this forum strong and not DP light.
      Regards,
      Robert Nelson
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      • Profile picture of the author jpwins
        Hi Fellow Warriors , I have agree with the post requirements , this would weed out a lot of spammers. I come to Warrior Forum for the great information and depend on it not to be BS.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    I'd raise that $37 to $97...

    But that's just me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stephen Luc
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      I'd raise that $37 to $97...

      But that's just me.
      I agree, $37 is quite low, but will bring quality and serious business people to this forum. I would gladly pay $97 or even $1000 for what this forum has done for my business. The value of this forum in itself is worth a lot more; relationships, and learning.

      Thanks Allen for doing this!
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  • Profile picture of the author locpic63
    Hey this is great!

    You guys do not know how much you have just helped me. You see now I get to kill 2 birds with one stone. I wanted to join the War Room but couldn't afford it. Now I will Join the War Room on Wednesday when I get my next check. Here is the kicker, the only way I can afford it is to quit smoking (which I wanted to any way). I love you guys, I think you just saved my life!! LOL

    Locpic63

    p.s. My next WSO how Warrior Forum can improve your health?
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  • Profile picture of the author scrofford
    Thanks Allen! I am really new here and I really don't want "junk" here! I feel that this is a great place for me to learn and we don't need "spammers" or people who are not serious!
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  • Profile picture of the author writetale
    ok, who or what is DP? another forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author SickHippie
      Well, whatever you do, don't look it up on Google Image Search...
      Originally Posted by writetale View Post

      ok, who or what is DP? another forum?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
        Originally Posted by writetale View Post

        ok, who or what is DP? another forum?
        Yes, DP is another forum. But it sucks serious butt and is not
        worth visiting. Unless, of course, you like getting ripped off.

        Originally Posted by SickHippie View Post

        Well, whatever you do, don't look it up on Google Image Search...
        Ok, SickHippie, you sucked me in. I just had to do a Google
        Image Search of "DP" just to see what you were on about.
        I still fail to get your point. :confused:

        Care to enlighten me?
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        • Profile picture of the author raiko
          Originally Posted by Matt Fulger View Post

          Yes, DP is another forum. But it sucks serious butt and is not
          worth visiting. Unless, of course, you like getting ripped off.


          Ok, SickHippie, you sucked me in. I just had to do a Google
          Image Search of "DP" just to see what you were on about.
          I still fail to get your point. :confused:

          Care to enlighten me?
          LOL. You must have Safe Search on.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Matt Fulger View Post

          Care to enlighten me?
          In a certain industry, DP means "Double Penetration."
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Yo, Dadmin!,

            Love it.

            This will definitely cut down somewhat on the BS one-liners. Me likey. Domo arigato, or whatever the hell Riley says when someone is nice to him. (Does that really happen?)

            Like any change, this will fix some problems and create others. I think it will be, overall, very positive. If I might make a suggestion, and assuming it's technically not a nightmare, put in a delay between date of joining and date allowed to post a WSO. Minimum, 2 months. I have some other suggestions, but they'll have to wait until I'm not falling asleep...

            Matt,
            It also proves that not ALL lawyers are heartless.
            As my friend Annie (a lawyer) says, "98% of lawyers give the other 2% a bad name."

            Bob's one of the 2%. Except to folks that screw with him.

            Don,
            Oh well...be able to keep some of the undesirables out I guess...
            Nope. Taylor and I are members, too. It's all over but the crying...


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      • Profile picture of the author DavidCarter
        Originally Posted by SickHippie View Post

        Well, whatever you do, don't look it up on Google Image Search...
        You just made me spill my coffee on my keyboard
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        • Profile picture of the author SickHippie
          Originally Posted by DavidCarter View Post

          You just made me spill my coffee on my keyboard
          Then my work in this thread is done!
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    • Profile picture of the author Julia Andersson
      Originally Posted by writetale View Post

      ok, who or what is DP? another forum?
      DP... Digital Point forum. Some good info available but first you have to sort through all the spam
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Nice Move Allen!!!!

    Can I make a suggestion? That you cannot post new threads til you have responded to 5 or 10. Aiming to people contributing before asking questions?

    Thanks,
    Mukul
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Ransom
      I was not aware of the War Room until a few days ago, even though I have been hanging out here for several years. I was going to join anyway as soon as I had some free time to check out the material inside the War Room.

      I just hope this will lead to a much better WSO section by forcing out those that are making outrageous, unprovable claims that are junking up the offers lately.

      I also hope it does not dilute the quality of the War Room.

      Good move.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    Hey Allen,

    I've been meaning to join the war room for some time now and this is great incentive for me, it was just something I always was going to get round to and now I will.

    What you offer is worth way more than you're charging considering how much value and knowledge we get from this forum.

    I also know that what you decide will only make this forum better for all.

    I'm ever grateful.

    Sincerely,

    Charann.
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    • Profile picture of the author countonuspr
      I completely respect, understand, and appreciate where you are coming from. This is not a bad price to have the ability to still run good WSO's, setup a good blog, etc. It is well worth every penny. Thanks Allen.
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      • Profile picture of the author David A Smith
        Thanks Allen,

        I have been very disappointed in the WSO's I have purchased lately and in the Warrior Classified section. I always come here first when I need anything for my marketing and appreciate your efforts in keeping the quality high.

        Thanks for keeping the forum going for all of us. I hope all the members here realize how valuable this place can be for their business.

        I look forward to the new changes.

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  • Profile picture of the author Poppy61
    This is a great decision Allen. Congrats!
    Also, I second Kevin's views- if you're serious about your IM business and treat it like any other business,investing $37 should not be a problem.

    Just upgraded myself and I am sure, it's one of the best decisions I have taken.

    Allen,I am definitely going to tell my warrior friends to upgrade and enjoy the very best of warrior forum.

    We're with you in making this place number one forum for every IMer.

    Can't thank you enough and the entire WF troupe.

    Sincerely,
    Poppy
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    Now, here's a decision that makes me happy.

    Thank You, Thank you.

    So now we can finally cut down on the lame spammy WSO's.

    And only the serious folk can ploay with WSO's. And this also means that everyone has a chance to be mentored by yourself in the sub forum, eh?

    But, I still have a question for you Allen.

    When you say PM restrictions are gone, do you mean 5 mins between consecutive PM's is also gone? HOw does that work?

    -Lakshay
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshuaG
    *Thumbs Up*
    I upgraded.
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  • A very good, smart move, and greatly appreciated.

    Can't tell you how disheartening it's been lately - spend hours posting purely educational 'give-back' threads, answer questions, etc., while having to wade through heaps of worthless, useless spam posts.

    I had also pretty much stopped even browsing the WSO board, and I used to buy one or two each week.

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  • BTW, I'll be the one to say it: it's interesting that what so many 'marketers' teach here, and the best-selling WSO is about, is the same thing the most of us abhor so much on forums we care about and are vested in.

    And how many who are applauding this have also posted mucho 'advice' on the strategy of using forum sigs & blogs purely for backlinking...

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  • Profile picture of the author Aljiro
    Nice Move Sir Allen.

    Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        An excellent move in the right direction...

        It winds me up no end these days, that so many new
        people in business think that everything can be just
        handed to them on a plate, for free.

        Before the days of the internet, which I well remember,
        being in business for yourself, as I have been since the
        very first day I left school at 16 - if you wanted your
        business to succeed -- you had to be truly imaginative
        to get word out about your products and services.

        It wasn't free back then, if you wanted to market yourself,
        you had to holler from the rooftops and of course, you
        had to pay for the priviledge.

        The trouble with this younger generation for a good part is
        that they think being in business for yourself, should be easy.

        Well... Wake Up and Smell The Roses

        Being self employed, running your own business was never
        supposed to be easy. It takes dedication, long hours 7 days
        a week and a commitment to deliver high quality customer
        service for the long term to succeed in business. And that's
        just the beginning.

        Whatever you want in life, someone, somewhere is paying
        for you to lead the life that you think should be just handed
        to you on a plate.

        Get real! $37 is an absolute pittance, especially now that
        the internet has levelled the playing field globally, giving
        pretty much anyone, anywhere, the opportunity to learn
        and serve the needs of other people well.

        If You Cannot Invest $37 in Your Own Future...There is
        Something Seriously Wrong With You


        This forum, from a consultation perspective, has nuggets
        of gold all over the place, just waiting to be picked up for
        free. If you are too lazy to take action to go pick up those
        nuggets of gold that are lying around everywhere, and you
        think that you deserve a free ride - I'm sorry to say it, but
        you've got a big problem and that is, your attitude - yourself.

        "How much effort can it possibly take to use your mouse,
        to click a few keys on a keyboard and have the opportunity
        right in front of your eyes, whilst you sit down on your fat
        arse, to make some serious money online?
        "

        Without a shadow of doubt, this forum is one of a kind
        and it's a forum where the members are truly concerned for
        each others welfare and will bend over backwards to help
        you, if you just have the desire and the commitment to
        learn how to implement a winning strategy... to help
        yourself and in turn help others here also. That is the
        true spirit of this forum.

        One Gentleman Brought This About
        His Name is Allen...


        Without his vision, without his initial action plan, his ready
        and willing spirit to give to others, this forum and your
        income producing ability, simply would not be the same.

        How anyone can possibly say that they are not getting
        tremendous value for money here, truly beats me!

        Get off your blinkin' asses and pay up!

        You don't mind squandering a few dollars on a coke and a
        pizza, or a night on the town drinking a few beers which
        you'll piss up against the wall an hour later, your reward a
        whopping great hangover in the morning.

        You don't mind paying for your latest games online, just to
        twiddle your thumbs as you knock out your imaginary
        opponent.

        You don't mind paying for those music tracks or whatever
        else you are spending your money on these days - so why
        not adopt the same attitude to invest in your future with
        the incredible mind boggling goldmine of information - available
        right here at your very own fingertips!

        Think about it!
        I did!!

        Whilst I appreciate that you seem to think anyone here who has income problems is a pointless waste of time, step back and think a minute.

        Sometimes circumstances can cause untold financial problems. This is not a whine.

        fact 1. I was made redundant, like countless others recently. My real life income gone.

        fact 2. Divorce removed another income source.

        fact 3. You live to your means. I now have a £640 a month mortgage and an income of £100 a month unemployment benefit.

        fact 4. I can't write to save my life, and need a CV which will cost £59.

        I don't buy pizza and coke. I don't have nights on the town, pissing anything against a wall (sort of physically impossible really) and I don't buy online games. BUT, I do have to decide whether I eat this month or buy my CV layout so that I at least have a chance of obtaining an income whilst I work my way around the excellent advice I have received from a forum member.

        Finding another $37 this month is nigh on impossible. So, not everyone is here to waste your time just because they 'will not take their business seriously' Some are taking the advice they have been given, implementing it and knowing it will take some weeks to see results, are trying to stay afloat!

        Blanket insults are not helpful.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

          Sometimes circumstances can cause untold finacial problems.
          Check out this thread:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...our-voice.html

          Pay particular attention to Mark Riddle's post from yesterday.

          All the market research I've seen on the subject says the most engaging and attractive type of voice to Americans is a female voice with a British accent.

          Sound like anyone you know? Like, maybe, you?

          Opportunity is everywhere.
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          • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


            All the market research I've seen on the subject says the most engaging and attractive type of voice to Americans is a female voice with a British accent.

            Sound like anyone you know? Like, maybe, you?

            Opportunity is everywhere.

            OOOHHHH! engaging AND attractive, well, even if it's not true it sure boosted my self esteem Checking now, thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author kennethtang
            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

            All the market research I've seen on the subject says the most engaging and attractive type of voice to Americans is a female voice with a British accent.

            Sound like anyone you know? Like, maybe, you?
            Elizabeth Hurley! Ooooh...

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            Oh yeah, the other thing. Allen, great going....

            ----------------

            Now, about Elizabeth...
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnHuizinga
          Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

          fact 4. I can't write to save my life, and need a CV which will cost £59.
          If you wrote this post then you're not giving youself nearly enough credit on your writing abilities.
          It doesn't take enormous talent to write up an informative article and attach a resource box that will get people to click through to your presell or the vendor's sales page - just the ability to write clearly. Writing with conviction helps as well and you can obviously do that.
          It's possible you may just hate it, in which case it's not the thing for you, but don't let your fifth grade English teacher's opinion of your writing ability stop you from trying.
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          • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
            Chomping!

            I did read it correctly, and I did take umbrage, however, I was not casting aspersions (two words that I know know how to spell correctly!)

            I was simply pointing out that it is not always possible to instantly find what others class as a tiny amount of cash and I think my thanks percentage is pretty reasonable, considering

            I AM taking action, but have only just started doing so, even though I have been a member here for years, so I know it will take a while to start to see profits.

            I sure didn't mean to imply that you were always unhelpful. Just that I personally found the 'pep talk' so.

            /me holds out a hand .... truce??? You can explain what a Brucey bonus is should anyone ask




            Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

            It wasn't a blanket insult to anyone.

            If you read it correctly and didn't take such umbrage
            to the words, casting an aspersion that simply is not
            there, you might have understood the point.

            Criticise me when your percentage of thanks on posts
            is at least on a par with mine.

            If you researched my posts you would see that I love
            helping out other people on this forum and often do so
            without charging for my services, because I care about
            the welfare of other people.

            My point, if you want it more simply, is that whilst you
            were penning that reply, you could take some action,
            that would very easily give you $37 which you could
            invest in the War Room... whereupon your investment
            would pay for itself, many times over.

            If you can't take the action for just over £20 for a full
            20 year membership to such a valuable resource of
            information, that could earn you easily your mortgage
            payments per month and more, as stated, there's
            something wrong.

            You can't afford not to join The War Room!

            Mark, of the got through the last recession in this country
            'class', without going under - and is absolutely determined
            to hold my head up high in this recession too and succeed
            as well as possible.

            The only way one is going to do that is by taking the action
            required, to get one, where one wants to go.

            You have the choice to either quit on action or
            take the action that gets you the results that you desire.

            Refer to me a client and you get £59 for your cv - simple!

            And I'll throw in a Brucey bonus just for you, your War Room
            Membership FREE.

            Chomp on that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
                You did, you did, you surely did and yes, you did and it is all very much appreciated. But as it was via PM I didn't know if you would want it published here or not.The generosity of fellow warriors amazing.

                As is your personal generosity Mark. Many thanks.


                Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

                There's no need for a truce for anything, you are making
                it sound as if I was having a dig at you personally, when
                that wasn't the case at all.

                I apologised immediately afterwards by pm if you found
                my comments insulting and I even offered to sponsor you
                into the War Room, albeit someone else kindly pipped me
                to the post.

                I also advised you on how to take effective action, giving
                up my time to do so.

                On top of that, I pointed you in the right direction to other
                resources to save this cv writing fee of £59 ($95) that you
                mentioned before.

                And on top of that, I have even offered to give you a hand
                with writing a sales page (free) to get you moving in the right
                direction.

                Personally, I think I've been amazingly generous in trying to
                help you.

                Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author bhopkins
          Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

          I did!!

          Whilst I appreciate that you seem to think anyone here who has income problems is a pointless waste of time, step back and think a minute.

          Sometimes circumstances can cause untold financial problems. This is not a whine.

          fact 1. I was made redundant, like countless others recently. My real life income gone.

          fact 2. Divorce removed another income source.

          fact 3. You live to your means. I now have a £640 a month mortgage and an income of £100 a month unemployment benefit.

          fact 4. I can't write to save my life, and need a CV which will cost £59.

          I don't buy pizza and coke. I don't have nights on the town, pissing anything against a wall (sort of physically impossible really) and I don't buy online games. BUT, I do have to decide whether I eat this month or buy my CV layout so that I at least have a chance of obtaining an income whilst I work my way around the excellent advice I have received from a forum member.

          Finding another $37 this month is nigh on impossible. So, not everyone is here to waste your time just because they 'will not take their business seriously' Some are taking the advice they have been given, implementing it and knowing it will take some weeks to see results, are trying to stay afloat!

          Blanket insults are not helpful.
          Katie, it looks like you are already a war room member. So maybe someone else already stepped up before me. I would pay your fee if you needed it. If you need some extra work, just PM me. I have more than I can do already. Most of it involves writing so that may be difficult if you can't write. but writing is the best way to improve that skill set.

          Bruce
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          • Profile picture of the author k0zm0zs0ul
            Originally Posted by bhopkins View Post

            Katie, it looks like you are already a war room member. So maybe someone else already stepped up before me. I would pay your fee if you needed it. If you need some extra work, just PM me. I have more than I can do already. Most of it involves writing so that may be difficult if you can't write. but writing is the best way to improve that skill set.

            Bruce
            Exactly so! Practice makes perfect Katie, and based on your posts and correspondence I think you could do quite well at writing. At least for the time being to bring in some extra money, it is one of the fastest ways I know of to get started earning a buck quickly.

            Kudo's Bruce for offering her overflow. And I often have overflow as well, so I can keep you on my list too Katie.

            Regards,
            Cori
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      • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
        Wow, after that talking to, I'm ready to pay again Mark! (Were you ever a drill sergeant by any chance??) LOL

        Seriously, I think this is a great move for the forum Allen.

        Wendy


        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        Get off your blinkin' asses and pay up!

        You don't mind squandering a few dollars on a coke and a
        pizza, or a night on the town drinking a few beers which
        you'll piss up against the wall an hour later, your reward a
        whopping great hangover in the morning.

        You don't mind paying for your latest games online, just to
        twiddle your thumbs as you knock out your imaginary
        opponent.

        You don't mind paying for those music tracks or whatever
        else you are spending your money on these days - so why
        not adopt the same attitude to invest in your future with
        the incredible mind boggling goldmine of information - available
        right here at your very own fingertips!

        Think about it!
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  • Profile picture of the author SRLee
    I'm serious about IM, but why make it a paid option? I can't pay RM130, yet.

    This is so frustrating and depressing...

    EDIT: What is the full access? What do I have access now without paying?

    Also, reading all the "happy" comments that say "You should pay the money because this is a good forum and you should treat IM like a business...", well not quite. It is cheap to you, but not me. I treat this seriously, but money/currency/credit card is a problem for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author kennethtang
      Malaysian? Whereabouts?
      Originally Posted by SRLee View Post

      I'm serious about IM, but why make it a paid option? I can't pay RM130, yet.

      This is so frustrating and depressing...

      EDIT: What is the full access? What do I have access now without paying?

      Also, reading all the "happy" comments that say "You should pay the money because this is a good forum and you should treat IM like a business...", well not quite. It is cheap to you, but not me. I treat this seriously, but money/currency/credit card is a problem for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author bwh1
      Originally Posted by bwh1 View Post

      The money to join the War Room isn't the problem.

      Where the heck I find the time to actually use the membership besides the other 3 or 4 I "need" to have to get my traffic from :-)

      Seriously, I think quality has a value which it's worth paying for, so the decision is 100% correct. Will see to upgrade soon.

      WHEN this takes place ? Will there be any price increases ?

      G.

      PS. Just see what we marketers teach those guy's, WF full of spammers, tststs......
      Stupid me, it's a ONE TIME FEE, I thought it was $37 per month (what wouldn't be that far from the value the WAR room delivers).

      Just send you the money.

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  • Profile picture of the author samstephens
    It is cheap to you, but not me.
    Remember currency conversion also works the other way round - while buying things may be more "expensive" when some currencies are converted, it also means that you can also make a living much easier than someone from the US.

    So while the $37 may be expensive for you, the first $37 you make with your online business is also going to be worth a lot more.

    And when we look at our businesses, the aim is to make more money than we spend, and so your currency conversion will actually work in your favour.


    I hope this reply is more of an inspiration to pursue your online business, because with your currency conversion, you've got a LOT you can make!

    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Rapido
    I've just joined and this is my first post. I
    haven't had time to look around the forum
    ye but, if the community spirit shown in
    this thread is anything to go buy, I'm going
    to like it here

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Birch
    Very good news indeed - well done Allen.

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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Funny thing is that I did not even notice this notice... and just today I paid for one of my associates to join the war room and I convinced a second to upgrade...

    Both because I wanted both to see just one valuable thread in the war room.

    Anyone who is blind enough to not realize the sheer value of becoming a paid member should hang up their hat because they will never have the sense to make it in online business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Originally Posted by raiko View Post

      LOL. You must have Safe Search on.
      ROFL - DOH! You're right. Well, I guess that just goes to show
      that NOT everyone has their mind in the gutter. I never put it
      together until you pointed it out for me. Now I get it.

      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      Funny thing is that I did not even notice this notice... and just today I paid for one of my associates to join the war room and I convinced a second to upgrade...

      Both because I wanted both to see just one valuable thread in the war room.

      Anyone who is blind enough to not realize the sheer value of becoming a paid member should hang up their hat because they will never have the sense to make it in online business.
      Josh,

      I don't think that people are BLIND to the VALUE of this forum.
      It's just that some don't think they can afford it.
      Hopefully, those people will read some of the comments here and
      take the advice given and skip a night out, or go for a month w/o
      cable or something to come up with the measly $37 bucks.
      I know I'll be upgrading before the end of the week.

      But not everyone can come up with the $37. Or at least they
      don't think they can.
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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    I paid $350 for an exclusive membership to DNF.com

    So $37 doesn't seem that big a deal..
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  • Profile picture of the author suimiche
    Sir! I'm new to forums so, I haven't clear idea about changes. But the thing what I want to know is "Do you allow free members to put a singnature?"
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  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author The IM Prodigy
    Good work Allen! You have a great forum, here.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Well done! The spam and BlackH*t stuff was getting well out of order.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richelo Killian
    Allen, everyone else has said just about everything there is to say on this subject.

    I will just say thanks, and, about time! ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ademartin
    A positive step forward Allen. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author yoshiko
    I second the decision. Thank you for cleaning up this space. We all need clean "air" to grow!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Allen....

    Thank you

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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    Guys - The monmey is not an issue! The war room is worth FIFTY times more than Alan is charging, and it should be a monthly subscription too!
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  • Ahhh! This is fantastic news! The quality of WF versus the 'others' is what keeps me coming back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Dear Non War Room Members,

    Are you serious about your internet business?

    Are you more interested in learning how to make money or just learning for the sake of it?

    I am not trying to sound condescending, but you need to listen carefully:

    If you are serious about your attempts to make money online then you should join the War Room.

    It only costs $37.

    If that seems like too much for you then think again.

    If you are just a kid and don't earn any money, get your mom or dad to buy it for you.

    Better yet, wash some cars for the weekend and pay for it yourself. This will do you a world of good. You will be putting in place the right mindset about investing in your own future.

    If you really don't want to pay $37 then please look at where you waste this amount or more each week in your life.

    The War Room isn't perfect, nothing is, but there are many golden nuggets of knowledge in there.

    Do yourself a favour and get serious or move onto fresh pastures. No one will hold it against you if you are being honest with yourself. Just make a decision and either way, take ACTION.

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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    The forum is WELL worth it. Thakns Allen.
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  • Profile picture of the author sannyman
    Dear Allen, the only thing that scares me is that the War Room will be too crowded

    For our fellow warriors that complain about the amount to be paid, I can only tell this: nobody forces you to pay, it is your decision if YOU NEED paid member's features or not. Do you smoke or drink? I bet you will find a way to get money for this... Are you WF forum addicted? Well, we will see...
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    Sounds good With such a massive forums I guess there will always be a problem with people spam-linking their site. Will aim to upgrade a bit later on today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Thanks Allen, great news!! I was getting tired of hitting report button last weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author visit_faraz
    Wow, I am glad I had already joined the war room.

    Faraz
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    This is great news. Way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author EndGame
    This is awesome!

    On a selfish and personal level, I am extremely happy I had the good sense to lock into the War Room when it was being offered at such a generous price in the early days.

    I think this is such a great way to protect the quality of the forum whilst still giving free members some access.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
    Thank you Allen! It was needed.

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  • Profile picture of the author abelacts
    This is the way forward! I can't agree more that when you said those who pay for something will appreciate what you have paid. Excellent decision to weed out spammers and to protect those who are serious and genuine.
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    • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      A Complete masterstroke of genius Allen. Great call there. I was beginning to think these "spammers" want to turn WF into another DP...and yet you have shown once again that you truly care about this forum as a whole.

      Thankyou Allen

      Best news in years !!!!!!
      Definitely worth the $37 fee just to avoid this happening
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  • Profile picture of the author Suzanne Morrison
    Thanks Allen. I think $37 is very small price for access to this great forum and all its benefits!

    Cheers,
    Suzanne
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Allen, thanks a million for making this move. It can only improve the quality of information while helping to eliminate nonsense. THANK YOU!
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  • Profile picture of the author SRLee
    Hi there Sam, I know I earn it easier, but the things here in my country is almost the same as in the US. $37 can buy an average of 13 McD-RM10 meals. And the meals are exactly the same as they are being sold in the US.

    To all others that say "$37 is a good investment". I do agree, but I'll have to fork out another RM130 from my parents. Which is like, hard you see. "-_-

    -Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author samstephens
      Originally Posted by SRLee View Post

      Hi there Sam, I know I earn it easier, but the things here in my country is almost the same as in the US. $37 can buy an average of 13 McD-RM10 meals. And the meals are exactly the same as they are being sold in the US.
      Hi Shaun,

      RM is Malaysian, is that right?

      That's rough about the cost of McDonalds as compared to general income. In Australia, a Big Mac meal costs about RM18.

      Having said that, I'd much rather eat Malaysian food than Macca's - you've got some great cuisine (and scuba diving, from what I hear).


      If cost of living is quite expensive, then I guess my comments don't apply - sorry for the confusion!

      Best of luck with your business, though - I'm sure you'll be buying as many Big Macs as you want in the future!

      cheers
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      • Profile picture of the author kennethtang
        Originally Posted by samstephens View Post


        Having said that, I'd much rather eat Malaysian food
        Ahh, spoken like someone who knows his food. Malaysian food number 1in the world. But I'm biased.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chuck Evans
    Allen, like Steven I was "grandfathered" into the War Room. I'd like to anty up as well...please let us know how we can do so without screwing up the works!

    Thanks,

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
    Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

    All the best with your new forum.

    I paid to join in the first place. Won't do it again.

    Pete
    Allen, if I can make a suggestion? I'm already a War Room member and my suggestion doesn't gain me a thing but I'm still going to say it because I think it's an idea worth considering.

    Perhaps your longest standing members, especially those that joined when this was a paid-only forum, have earned the right to a free War Room upgrade or a different title like 'Legacy Member' or 'Charter Member'?

    I'm thinking of folks like Robert Puddy, Willie Crawford, Marlon, Paul Myers, and many others that have shared their priceless advice with all those that have since followed in their footsteps.

    It's folks like the original Warriors who helped many of the current "top" Warriors (whatever top means to you) when they were wet behind the ears beginners themselves. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them getting some additional props for all of their years of helping the rest of us.

    Take care,

    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

      Allen, if I can make a suggestion? I'm already a War Room member and my suggestion doesn't gain me a thing but I'm still going to say it because I think it's an idea worth considering.

      Perhaps your longest standing members, especially those that joined when this was a paid-only forum, have earned the right to a free War Room upgrade or a different title like 'Legacy Member' or 'Charter Member'?

      I'm thinking of folks like Robert Puddy, Willie Crawford, Marlon, Paul Myers, and many others that have shared their priceless advice with all those that have since followed in their footsteps.

      It's folks like the original Warriors who helped many of the current "top" Warriors (whatever top means to you) when they were wet behind the ears beginners themselves. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing them getting some additional props for all of their years of helping the rest of us.

      Take care,

      Mike

      I agree with Mike. I think the real old timers deserve something for all
      they've given to this forum. I can't begin to tell you how many of those
      members have helped me since I've joined just a few short years ago.

      Thanks for the great suggestion Mike.
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  • Profile picture of the author David McKee
    Welcome everyone I have upgraded and the reason is clear - this forum is worth its weight in gold - and I mean literal gold.

    I believe this will make it even more valuable. Thanks Allen!

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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      I like what Allen said in another post:

      We're already getting help desk complaints that are very ironic.

      Someone doing enough action and business on here to be dealing with tons of PM's a day is going to gripe about this?

      Let me get this straight - you are making money here and doing good business but yet you don't want to be a full member?

      Couldn't have said it better myself.

      And for those folks who don't have the $37 ... I can understand that. I was once in a position where I literally had to look for change in my couch just to come up with the few dollars to buy milk. It's embarrassing to buy milk with pennies. Eventually I even ran out of change.

      So, I've been there, done that... and I KNOW it's possible to overcome it.

      First, shake off any notion that it's impossible. Start by going to the Mind Warriors section. Make some goals -- some as small as the $37 needed to upgrade, and other larger goals (e.g., how much you want to make per month). Write them down. Commit to them.

      Then come back to the main discussion forum and figure out a plan to achieve those goals. Read through all the "I need to make $XXXX" posts, as they tended to be loaded with plans for quick money-makers. If you put your mind to it, create a plan AND take action... you could have the $37 to upgrade by the end of today.

      BTW -- if you just read that above line and disagreed with me -- if you had a knee jerk "no way!" reaction -- please proceed to the Mind Warriors forum. Don't pass Go. Don't collect $200.

      Cheers,
      Becky

      P.S. Once you get the cash injection you need to have a little breathing room, then start building a business. In other words, don't do "money makers" forever, as that's exhausting. It's much easier to leverage your assets (such as a list) by building a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody
    This is terrific! I was a paid member, as a hosting client of Allen, and then paid to join the WarRoom. I have never minded paying when asked here, because I have ALWAYS received far more value than Allen has ever asked monetarily.

    Kudos on this decision!!

    Melody
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by JustinK View Post

      20 years subscription o.0 for 37$?
      So does this mean we cant post in wso with the regular 20$ but if we are members we get to post them for free?
      Here is how it works.

      You are presently a non-paid member here in the Warrior Forum so you have limited features available.

      You only allowed 10 PMs.
      You may not post a WSO.
      You won't have access to the War Room which contains some of the best
      information and products on the web.

      I'm Not sure what other limits there are.

      If you become a member of the War Room by paying the $37 entry fee
      then you will become a Full Warrior Forum Member.

      You will be allowed 400 PMs.
      You will be allow to post WSOs for an additional $20 per WSO.
      You will have access to one of the Best Memberships on the Net at a ridiculously low price.

      Hope that Helps,
      Have a Great Day!
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    "This town needs an enema...."
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    It was a paid forum when I first joined. It was then,and still is probably one of the best online investments I have ever made.
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    Got me off the fence on joining the War Room
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  • Thank You! Great Idea!
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    $37 seems an excellent investment to make in exchange for access to so much powerful marketing information uncluttered by spam. If this move helps maintain the integrity of the forum, then I'm all for it!

    Cindy
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    Awesome news!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    YES!!!

    I"ve noticed those spammers with zero posts creating blog after blog for spamming and indexing too. They were starting to get to me. This is a positive move.
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  • Profile picture of the author muhammad arif
    In my opinion such decisions will boost the forum, like we will get some more active members.

    And hopefully will make warrior forum as a better palce for web masters.

    Thanks for it.

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  • Profile picture of the author mrsteady
    I am a member that you will be losing because of this.
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by mrsteady View Post

      I am a member that you will be losing because of this.

      I understand. Quite a few feel the same way. Good luck with whatever you do.

      I am curious though, what exactly has changed for you?

      Less private message storage space would actually make you leave?

      Is it because you can't post a WSO as a free member?

      The truth is if anyone else owned this forum the cost to run a WSO would have been at least $100 quite some time ago. So I wouldn't think that would be the reason.

      Just curious..
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  • Profile picture of the author geoffcruz
    whew its a good thing im already a war room member!
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  • Excellent news. And BTW, if I were Allen I'd also raise the price of a WSO significantly.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Excellent news. And BTW, if I were Allen I'd also raise the price of a WSO significantly.
      Id also make the WSO forum a PAID section of the site, just to see the offers!!!

      That forum has become like shooting fish in a barrel for the warez/share/black-h-a-t crowd.

      Just a thought.

      It might take the time your wso product ends up on media fire or other douchebag forums as a free download from 20 seconds to 5 days ... A guy might b able to cover the w so cost and a few bumps before he's being stolen blind.
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      • Profile picture of the author jitterbug978
        Yea I know what you mean about "A certain Forum" putting up our downloads and it does suck.

        BUT if the WSO was paid to read only then that would drastically cut down on the amount of overall sales you would make.

        Piracy will always be an issue... Even if it is paid members only who says a paid member wont repost the WSO elsewhere?

        I think making the WSO section paid only would be detrimental.
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    • Profile picture of the author dorim
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      Excellent news. And BTW, if I were Allen I'd also raise the price of a WSO significantly.
      I agree the price of a WSO should be raised, maybe that will cut down on the junk WSOs being offered. I am very cautious about purchasing WSOs because most of the ones I have purchased were worthless in my opinion, some just re-writes of PLR content freely available from a free membership site I belong to.
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  • Profile picture of the author deanfz
    Eventhough I am not a war room member and still have to upgrade my account in order to have access to all the possibilities I think that this is a great idea. It will make the forum much better. And to the people that are complaining about this: Even if the upgraded membership would cost 100$ it would still be more than acceptabel. just look at what you got here. You can ask everything that you need to ask and get helped by some great IMers.

    I will upgrade in the next days I think.


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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Hey Allen?

    Is there a way I can buy a membership for a friend as a gift? I clicked the link but it would order my own and I'm already War Room... let me know!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    WOW! THANKS! I always kind of hated the fact that some got here without even paying you a penny, etc... The fact that so many give ways to rip people off, etc... certainly didn't help.

    Anyway, this will help a LOT!

    Steven Wagenheim,

    You probably took advantage of what I did. An empty room wouldn't sell well. ALSO, he needed some good press. So some of the members that had a history were allowed by allen to have it for free, for a time. For the record though, I paid for a product, I believe it was called warrior pro, and this was included. I since made a few other purchases. So I didn't come here for NOTHING.

    And people will misread or not see the price, so sales will be a LOT lower than they would otherwise be.

    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
    Great move Allen. Happy to see this.

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    • Profile picture of the author TeamGlobal
      Outstanding News!

      I'm always happy to see the Warrior Forum evolve as needed.

      All The Very Best,


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  • Profile picture of the author Jamie Orman
    No more spammers? Thank God.
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  • Well, I guess this means I need to get serious about not losing my password and forgetting what email I used so I won't have to start over again. lol.

    I am ready to sign up. That's a good price for 20 years. I will be sure to upgrade again when I am 52 years old.

    Thanks for looking out for the quality of the Warrior Forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shakul
    Going to join it soon.

    I am sure, now we will find more quality wsos.

    I have seen people here selling ripoff guides here as a wso, since now it is required to be a war room member to post a wso, so this will keep all those wso scammers away.

    Very good step taken.

    Thanks
    Shakul
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      This forum is the best place to learn internet marketing. Those that would abuse should be publicly caned.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardDean
    Hello,

    Allen

    The WSO needs to have higher standard, Over all marketers in general
    need to have higher standard, but that is another problem.

    Offers need to have less hype and explain more in detail of what you get
    if a ebook how many pages should be a rule. The table of contents
    need to be included in the wso ad every time.

    If you have not done it don't try to sell it rule.

    The WSO might need to be raised up to 30 to 50 bucks to keep the
    trash out, no more cheap items for sale.

    If you pay 50 bucks and try to sell a 7 dollar book you need to sell
    over 7 to break even, these little reports now need to have a lot more
    content then sold for say 27.00 that raises the bar to produce a better
    product.

    I would like to see a higher post count say 300 or 500 before a wso
    can be made, even the thank you count be added in there also, to cover
    the junk post spammers who try to get a fast 300 post.

    If you want to raise it do it right

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  • Profile picture of the author rmholla
    Originally Posted by Pete Egeler View Post

    All the best with your new forum.

    I paid to join in the first place. Won't do it again.

    Pete

    Pete,

    I'm with you. I became a Warrior all those years ago and paid money to do it. Then came along the private posts and I paid for them though I was miffed because I thought my payment all those years ago was for "lifetime" access -- which apparently has a very different definition in cyberspace.

    Some of us took a chance on Allen all those years ago. This isn't about the money, it is about standing on principle. I didn't mind the fees to list WSOs because that really is/was a sort of add on bonus feature that was never mentioned originally. But access to all the private warrior stuff was -- or at least that is the way it was laid out when I became a warrior.

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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by rmholla View Post

      Pete,

      I'm with you. I became a Warrior all those years ago and paid money to do it. Then came along the private posts and I paid for them though I was miffed because I thought my payment all those years ago was for "lifetime" access -- which apparently has a very different definition in cyberspace.

      Some of us took a chance on Allen all those years ago. This isn't about the money, it is about standing on principle. I didn't mind the fees to list WSOs because that really is/was a sort of add on bonus feature that was never mentioned originally. But access to all the private warrior stuff was -- or at least that is the way it was laid out when I became a warrior.

      Rhonda

      Rhonda are you serious?

      Private Posts was supposed to be given away free to you?

      So that means I was never supposed to create another product for sale after you became a Warrior member?

      Seriously?

      Private Posts was a series of blog posts, they had nothing to do with the Warrior Forum. I find it hard to believe that you expect everything I create in the future for free just because you joined the Warriors years ago.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by rmholla View Post

      I became a Warrior all those years ago and paid money to do it. Then came along the private posts and I paid for them though I was miffed because I thought my payment all those years ago was for "lifetime" access -- which apparently has a very different definition in cyberspace.

      Rhonda
      Rhonda, I disagree.

      When you paid to be a Warrior Forum member, as did I, it was for access to a forum. We still have access to that.

      "Private Posts" is just one of many other products Allen has created and sold over the years. Personally, I've bought every product I could find ... starting with those old .exe 'ebooks', and I've additionally paid to have resale rights to some.

      (Coincidentally, I have 'Internet Cash Machine - Rule the World' - copyright 2000 - open right now.)

      The point being, Allen has created multiple products. Buying one product, even forum access, does not include freebies for all other products Allen has created - or may ever create.

      There is no reason to be 'miffed' that Allen has generously given some (but not all) of his products to paying members.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    at last. I still say the fee should be more like $297 for lifetime access...

    ...that would cut out 90% of the riff-raff for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Originally Posted by admin View Post

    Free members will be able to post and do some things as usual but many features have been cut out.

    Those who upgrade to a Full Warrior Member will be able to:

    * Post Warrior Special Offers

    * Get Instant Access To The War Room

    * Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Blog

    * Be Able To Create Their Own Warrior Forum Social Group

    * Will Have No Restrictions On Private Messages And Will Be Able to Store Up To 400 Messages

    I don't think this is a big deal.

    The entire forum used to be a paid forum, and some of us laugh every day at our ROI.

    Everyone now still gets access to the forum for free. Heck of a deal.

    The War Room has always had a fee, but now, if you want to "use" the forum in a way beyond what is a typical forum use, there is a membership fee.

    Seem like a melding of the forum with features from the old Warrior Mastermind. Basically, pay your $37 and you get to use the forum Allen has built-up to directly sell products, create a blog to pimp whatever, and create your own little social networking group.

    You could create your own website or find some vanilla 2.0 site ... or would you rather pay $37 and have years of marketing expertise and thousands of people with similar interests and desires dropped in your lap?

    My only question is ... why wasn't someone already a member of the War Room if they were serious about making money and not just here to spam or try for a scammed buck?
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsstuff
    I am happy the forum is being improved and many spammers will not bother is they have to pay. Changed is often good, but resisted. I knee-jerk reaction was:

    The downside, in my opinion, is that the War Room will be devalued. All old posts will now be bumped to to top of the forum. It will be harder to track new posts.

    Hopefully the changes will improve the War Room as well as fight spammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Molano
    This is a great decision.

    Allen is like the only marketer who can command a massive change from free to paid, and have almost everyone agreeing with it, standing up and clapping (including myself).

    Who needs gurus? We got legends.
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  • Profile picture of the author bignewbie2
    Is there anything we need to do once we pay?
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  • Profile picture of the author nRehman
    Dear Allen you are right! By the way War Room Membership were previously nil and they don't effect with this update.
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  • Well, this all sounds like a good move. $37 is a very very reasonable amount, and for those that live in countries where that is a lot more (relatively) - well you make a lot more when you sell a report (relatively) - so no need for anyone to whine
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    • Profile picture of the author FG
      I never understood why the warrior forum became a free access site after
      it was a paid membership. Many affiliates started out earning their first
      commissions long before paypal was even heard of.

      I do understand why the herd wants to be great cheerleaders in this
      change over once again.

      There is no problem with the $37 fee whether it is for 20 years or
      20 months. The problem I have with all of this; (BTW I expect to be
      the lone ranger here) is this:

      How many people need to pay the $37 or how much time needs to pass
      before the war room becomes free to all? Then do we do this again?

      I expect to be pounced on for saying that, but it comes from the heart.
      The money is not the issue. I have paid for access many years ago and
      I don't mind doing it again. I have paid for access to special divisions of
      the old warrior forum before only to see it disappear.

      I know it is far more popular to be a cheerleader and agree with the
      movers and shakers of this forum. And no doubt that is the smart thing
      to do. I guess I just revealed how low my IQ is.

      FG
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      • Profile picture of the author admin
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        Originally Posted by FG View Post

        I never understood why the warrior forum became a free access site after
        it was a paid membership. Many affiliates started out earning their first
        commissions long before paypal was even heard of.

        I do understand why the herd wants to be great cheerleaders in this
        change over once again.

        There is no problem with the $37 fee whether it is for 20 years or
        20 months. The problem I have with all of this; (BTW I expect to be
        the lone ranger here) is this:

        How many people need to pay the $37 or how much time needs to pass
        before the war room becomes free to all? Then do we do this again?

        I expect to be pounced on for saying that, but it comes from the heart.
        The money is not the issue. I have paid for access many years ago and
        I don't mind doing it again. I have paid for access to special divisions of
        the old warrior forum before only to see it disappear.

        I know it is far more popular to be a cheerleader and agree with the
        movers and shakers of this forum. And no doubt that is the smart thing
        to do. I guess I just revealed how low my IQ is.

        FG

        Hi FG,

        This is not paying for anything that was sold before. It might seem that way to a long time member here but it is not.

        The Herd Mind forum was closed. It was never meant to stay open forever. Same with the Warrior Alliance, it was a monthly deal and I made a decision to close it.
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