[PPC-Coach]

I'd increase the wso posting fee to $500.

People are making alot more then that off them, so why not increase it and watch the value/quality of them go through the roof too. $37 is not enough. It will stop very small timers, but the ones you're trying to get rid of know enough to know that $37 is no big deal.

Charge more!

[VoodooMethods]

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

I'd increase the wso posting fee to $500.

People are making alot more then that off them, so why not increase it and watch the value/quality of them go through the roof too. $37 is not enough. It will stop very small timers, but the ones you're trying to get rid of know enough to know that $37 is no big deal.

Charge more!

That'd be awfully unfair for the people who are just starting out.. who actually have something quality but not $500 to spend to have it listed.. sometimes it's a hit or miss even if it's quality.

So you need to buy the warrior room membership and pay a fee to post in WSO? I have a quality offline method I plan on selling here since DP destroys everything in it's BST. Don't mind paying the fees.. just wanna know if paying for membership here makes for free WSO posts?

Thanks to whoever clears this up for me.. although I'm sure I'll figure it out if no one does

[willow77]

I joined the War Room only a couple months ago, and was kicking myself
for not joining sooner.

It's TOTALLY WORTH the $37.00 to join.

I'm so very greatful for this forum, and for all the expertise knowledge, info, and help
that this forum has.

It's like a treasure chest here. We get to learn from the best
which is priceless.

Willow77

[elishahong]

$37 is well worth the money that's for sure. But now everyone is a War Room Member. Does this mean that there will be different War Room levels now? Silver,Gold,Platinum etc?

Who knows..

But it sure does control the amount of spam in the future.

[Paul Duxbury]

A little late catching up here but just wanted to say thanks Allen for a good move!

Take care

Paul

[gailg]

Originally Posted by VoodooMethods

That'd be awfully unfair for the people who are just starting out.. who actually have something quality but not $500 to spend to have it listed.. sometimes it's a hit or miss even if it's quality.

So you need to buy the warrior room membership and pay a fee to post in WSO? I have a quality offline method I plan on selling here since DP destroys everything in it's BST. Don't mind paying the fees.. just wanna know if paying for membership here makes for free WSO posts?

Thanks to whoever clears this up for me.. although I'm sure I'll figure it out if no one does

No you still have to pay the $20, being a war room member means that you can post a WSO, apart from all the other great stuff in there

[Harvey Segal]

Newsflash - for anyone with a limit of 10 PMs

Don't worry.

I've not used up my allocation of 400 and you can purchase my
PMs - they come in blocks of 5, 10 and 15.

(This is a small business I run on the side helping
out other Warriors)

PM me with your order, you'll need to use Paypal and
I'll have them delivered instantly. You'll need to
unzip them.

Testimonials will be appreciated.


Harvey

[Karen Connell]

I had noticed that WF has changed a lot since I joined and that was only in April of this year!

This move is a good one, in my opinion.

I get tired of reading the 'thanks for the information' and 'welcome, I'm new as well' to get the post number up.

Good Decision!

Karen

[ashishthakkar]

Can someone tellme what exactly is in that private room ?

Is there a comparision table made by anyone showing General member Vs the War Room Member ?

Also if i am not a War Room Member does that mean i cannot post WSO ?

Sorry for so many questions.


Thanks and regards,
ASHISH THAKKAR

[gailg]

Originally Posted by ashishthakkar

Can someone tellme what exactly is in that private room ?

Is there a comparision table made by anyone showing General member Vs the War Room Member ?

Also if i am not a War Room Member does that mean i cannot post WSO ?

Sorry for so many questions.


Thanks and regards,
ASHISH THAKKAR

I don't know about a comparison table, I personally think that the war room is beyond comparision to anything else, especially for the cost of joining, you will also see that all the big names on this forum are in there.

What is in the War Room is great information, that is being freely given by other members, there is more in there than you can buy for big bucks else where, $37 is a drop in the ocean as to what you could do with this stuff, people are making thousands just from reading and following the advice given.

No you can not post WSO if not a member of the war room.

Gail

[mark eastley]

At last. Its time the wheat was sorted from the chaff...

[richnicol.co.uk]

Thanks Allen, very good news, hopefully it will keep it to 100% quality posts from now on

[TristanPerry]

Going back to a point made earlier - $37 will certainly prevent much of the spam.

Think about Angela and Paul's backlinks - would you be willing to pay $37... heck even $2... per site to get a backlink? The average person certainly wouldn't.

I've found that by charging, you do certainly cut out such problems by quite a high amount.

A lot of people will take a free ride when things are free. But simply charging any amount (even $5) will stop such people taking a free ride.

It's not so much the amount ($37) as the point of having to pay. Many simply get put off when they have to pay, hence they won't spam here.

Originally Posted by jjallan

Allen I hope you read this:
I have tried to get in touch with anyone from here to find out why i got kicked off! I went to open up warrior forum and i got this page that said i was baned for spaming. Now i dont spam and im a member of the war room . I dont even have a sig file on my post. Allen please tell me what happend or how i can fix it. The Warrior Forum is My life blood . I have got my hopes and dreams into this. and now im baned for life? I went to alexa to try and find out how to send you an email and it bounced back..Allen please help me. I had to sign up again just to get a message to someone.

Just bumping this up (well quoting it) to maximise its exposure

[ashishthakkar]

Thank you for your reply Gail

It's not so much the amount ($37) as the point of having to pay. Many simply get put off when they have to pay, hence they won't spam here.

It is not about the money.

It is hard to imagine you have to pay to use a forum.

Why do others(the good people) have to suffer(pay the amount), Just because it has been abused by some spammers. Why cant you build a forum (edit this one) into something which is unspammable.

Again it is not about the money and i will eventually pay for it because of the information, knowledge and value this forum has to offer.

I have been a member for more than 5 years so i know what this forum has to offer. You cant put a price tag on it...


Regards,
ASHISH THAKKAR

[abo28]

Hello,

I've just paid the 37 dollars and got in. It's worth it!

IMHO, 37 dollars should not be a hurdle at all for someone who is serious about his/her business. Personally, I spent $200+ until I made my first dollar online. And I still have to spend... No risk, no win!

[Katie Rich]

You did, you did, you surely did and yes, you did and it is all very much appreciated. But as it was via PM I didn't know if you would want it published here or not.The generosity of fellow warriors amazing.

As is your personal generosity Mark. Many thanks.

Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting

There's no need for a truce for anything, you are making
it sound as if I was having a dig at you personally, when
that wasn't the case at all.

I apologised immediately afterwards by pm if you found
my comments insulting and I even offered to sponsor you
into the War Room, albeit someone else kindly pipped me
to the post.

I also advised you on how to take effective action, giving
up my time to do so.

On top of that, I pointed you in the right direction to other
resources to save this cv writing fee of £59 ($95) that you
mentioned before.

And on top of that, I have even offered to give you a hand
with writing a sales page (free) to get you moving in the right
direction.

Personally, I think I've been amazingly generous in trying to
help you.

Mark

[SolarFelineAU]

Originally Posted by Andrew Wilkes

What a load of crap!

Why do you say that??

I joined the War Room on 01 Sept, and it's going to take me ages to go through the info that is in there.

[Brad Spencer]

Thank God...

An investment in business truly keeps you involved in it. It's weird that people who want to be "internet marketers" would ever balk at buying something. Seems that if you buy other people's stuff and it helps build your business then it's an excellent investment.

A free membership to this forum is an excellent investment in time but with these economic times (I hate that phrase b/c it's so overdone in the media) people are getting on here and not wanting to ever spend money.

If you aren't willing to spend money on this forum...then forget about ever building a true business.

You really have to spend money to make money...at least to get to major levels.

It's not much but this 37$ upgrade is nothing compared to the value you get. Instant 1000% ROI in my opinion.

Thanks for weeding out the tire kickers and freebie seekers Allen.

Cheers,

Brad

[jimcal]

Sounds good to me. Still lots of great free info to be gotten.
Thanks,
Jim

[SickHippie]

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this. You will still be free to browse and post on the Warrior Forum.

Again: YOU CAN STILL READ AND POST ON THE WARRIOR FORUM!

What you can't do is start a blog, post a WSO, view the War Room (which you couldn't anyway), start a social group, and you will be limited to a total of 10 PM's (which means you'll have to delete them more often - doesn't mean you can only write 10 PM's ever).

@Andrew Wilkes - you say it is a load of crap, but you have never posted a WSO, never written a blog post, and didn't start the only social group you belong to. As near as I can tell, other than the PM limit this will have no effect on you at all.

How is that a load of crap?

On a side note, anyone who is questioning 'is the War Room worth it' needs to know that the answer is YES! I became a member last night, and in less than an hour of browsing have gained well over $37 of knowledge.

To put another way, if I were teaching a course on Internet Marketing, I would not require the students to purchase a textbook - I would require them to purchase a War Room membership! Considering that a new textbook would cost 3 times that (even used textbooks would be a few dollars more), I think my students would thank me for it as well!

[kennethtang]

Originally Posted by samstephens

Having said that, I'd much rather eat Malaysian food

Ahh, spoken like someone who knows his food. Malaysian food number 1in the world. But I'm biased.

[wealth2moms]

Hi,

I signed up and paid for the membership at the very beginning when it was a paid membership and hardly anyone was here. I think it was $25. Am I grandfathered into this.

If I already paid once, is that fair to charge me again?

thanks,

Fern

[Franck Silvestre]

that's a good thing.

Franck

[BenjaminGates]

That is a reasonable step.

[Josh Anderson]

Originally Posted by wealth2moms

Hi,

I signed up and paid for the membership at the very beginning when it was a paid membership and hardly anyone was here. I think it was $25. Am I grandfathered into this.

If I already paid once, is that fair to charge me again?

thanks,

Fern

You are not being charged again... you have access to the forum.

However, if you want access to the new features, features that did not exist when you and I first paid and joined years ago, then you need to pony up.

In the 6 years that I have been a member I have never seen Allen do anything that was unfair or that did not ultimately benefit the entire forum.

Honestly, I think he has a unique talent for decision making and facilitating the internet's best internet marketing forum and keeping it the best.

[kennethtang]

Malaysian? Whereabouts?

Originally Posted by SRLee

I'm serious about IM, but why make it a paid option? I can't pay RM130, yet.

This is so frustrating and depressing...

EDIT: What is the full access? What do I have access now without paying?

Also, reading all the "happy" comments that say "You should pay the money because this is a good forum and you should treat IM like a business...", well not quite. It is cheap to you, but not me. I treat this seriously, but money/currency/credit card is a problem for me.

[Iain Ainsworth]

Fantastic News!

Thank you Allen.

[sylviad]

This makes me glad I joined the War Room way back when you started it.

But I must admit, although I immediately saw what fabulous content and community we have access to at the WF, I didn't realize just how high the quality was until I recently went in search of other marketing forums.

To be honest, I'm shocked that most are so bad. Reading posts on other forums vs reading posts here, you quickly see the level of expertise of the members.

Thanks, Allen, for doing what you can to build this great forum... and keep out the riff-raff.

Sylvia

[darrinmcl]

Hey wait a minute... It's only a 20 year subscription. What happens in 20 years? Will I have to pony up a measly $37 AGAIN?

[Brad Callen]

Originally Posted by Jason_V

However, for some people, that extra $37 up front is a huge hurdle. It's a shame when the minority have to ruin it for the majority.

If someone wants to start a business and $37 is too much for them, then they're not cut out for this.

Brad

[GT]

Originally Posted by darrinmcl

Hey wait a minute... It's only a 20 year subscription. What happens in 20 years? Will I have to pony up a measly $37 AGAIN?

lol - See, Darrin? No matter HOW good the deal is, there's always a catch!

GT

[RankHigh]

While everyone is hurray over the decision WF charging $37 to kick spammers' butts, anyone concerns over internet market is getting "invaded" by these unethical marketers. Look at policy changes happens recently at Squidoo, now WF, I bet others (EzineArticles) might start charging as more spun articles spreading, useless comments to leaves signatures at forum, those $5 package of web2.0 fake profiles to create one way backlink, link wheel to exploit WP, blogger, hubpages and weebly... sigh...

[hubreality]

Considering my little stay here as a free WF member, I've found it very resourceful. Still learning the ropes here towards my paid membership soonest. Thanks.

[DonDavis]

Good move in my opinion, but I do wonder if $37 is a high enough barrier to weed out the chaff.

[Scott W]

$37 is a steal for this...if one can't afford to pay this price they might as well go back to working the 7-Eleven! Besides, I've paid way more for some monthly memberships...

[Inderjeet]

nice steps. Allen. But those who really don't have money and want to make some.
what about those. any exceptions for those??

[Steve Peters Benn]

Inderjeet - your kidding right? Why the heck should Allen try and weed out special cases?? If people don't have the money then they don't have the money. There shouldn't be exceptions - there have been enough - free War Room membership options batted around.

[Alan Mater]

Allen,

Thank you for this. I'm glad to see you're taking the necessary steps to try and keep the WF a spam free community. I know we will all benefit from this change and get back to the quality that we expect to find here.

I've been wanting to check out the War Room as I've heard great things about it. This is the motivation I needed, and the one-time $37 payment is a no-brainer. That's a real steal if you ask me. More than affordable for anyone that is serious about making money online.

For anyone that says they can't afford a measly $37...

"Where there's a will, there's a way." English Proverb

Thanks again,

Alan

[joem07]

This move is very much appreciated. While I don't post often at all, I do spend a great deal of time learning here and it has become difficult at times wading through the BS.

[jcoon]

Thank You Allen!

[Star Riley]

Building a business calls for commitment - commitment of your time and money. If a Warrior does not have $37, I would highly recommend they cancel their cable TV, give up a dinner out, fore go a night at the movie theater, say no to ordering in pizza, stop smoking, take the bicycle instead of the car, do whatever it takes to save some money to invest in your business. If you can't make that kind of sacrifice, you are not a true Warrior.[/QUOTE]

That's all well and good since we are both living the Life of Riley I just had to go and put my two shillins in:

Most people aren't Warriors and some people need help since Allen Says hasn't closed the Forum off to folks in need. A person who is currently in a financial crunch could still easily learn a few things freely on WF (I know I did) that can change their position if they are ready.

Until a person has real value I'm not sure they should post anyways I would be embarrassed as "heck" to post crap on this forum as A real Warrior will quickly call your raggedy "ask" out!

I do feel it is still important for people who just don't know what they don't know to be able to access the value of the forum just not be allowed to corrupt it with poop.

Star "Wish I was Related to Kevin" Riley

[hopeworks]

Thank you for the update. I am just now, finally, learning how to market and advertise, and although I've been a member, I can fully understand your decision as there are always a few people that have no conscience when it comes to abusing a system, and the WF is a forum for those that know what they're doing. For that reason alone, I did not use the forum very much, as I didn't feel I should given the little I knew about marketing, which will soon change once I finally learn how to market after years of trying. I'm not even going to give the name of the incredible company that has finally freed me from my burden, as I don't feel it would be right to do so until I can say with 100% certainty that it has taught me how to market; just the way I am.

[admin]

Originally Posted by SEO

I'm a little lost on this one.

If regular users can still post and have signature links, other than limiting the blogs how is this going to reduce post spam and one-liner creepballs? They will still be there.

How does putting a limit on the PM box to 5 messages really reduce spam ? This just makes it hard on regular users who come here to mostly just do business with service providers and check out WSOs (me).

The last time I checked you had to pay $20 a post a WSO, it wasn't free. Surely it's impossible for someone to spam that too.

If this was going to be done under the guise of stopping spam, then why not limit posting and signature links instead of limiting PMs to 5 and hindering the features of normal users which would have absolutely no affect on spam?

If Allen decided to make WF completely private, members only I would put down $37 in a heartbeat. But I don't want to put down $37 for something I already have (access to a public forum) and to get extra messages in a PM box. I just don't see the value there.

It will vastly reduce one-liners because there is no reason now for them to run up their post count.

I fail to see how this makes it hard on you to come here and do business?

You still have the ability to PM sellers and get PM's - just clean them out more often. Not a problem.

The thing about "normal" users is that the vast majority of them are coming here to do and say stupid things. I'm not saying you are, I'm just saying that MOST are. If you could see what the mods have to deal with you would know. And it's getting worse by the day.

You mention this being done "under the guise" of reducing spam. I know what you're getting at and you're wrong.

If it was all about money I would increase the membership fee to $100 and make the whole forum an affiliate program using NanaCast in about 3 seconds...

THAT would make me some money I can assure you...

[AlanCarr]

I'm a little unsure how FUBARing my IM inbox is going to reduce spam?



B.

[Paul Myers]

Ashish,

It is hard to imagine you have to pay to use a forum.

I have a friend who runs a private email discussion group that costs $600 a year to join. The folks in it are getting their money's worth.

It's all about relative value. I can tell you that I see more value in the main section of this forum, in terms of business knowledge, than I ever got from his group. Super people there, mind you, but there's more advanced stuff in this section alone.

There's no comparison between that group and the War Room, in terms of learning marketing strategy techniques. The War Room wins, hands down.

Why do others(the good people) have to suffer(pay the amount), Just because it has been abused by some spammers. Why cant you build a forum (edit this one) into something which is unspammable.

The honest folk always pay, in terms of restricted activity and access, to keep the creeps from damaging them. And making any forum spam-proof is not possible. The closest you can get is invitation only, with small groups of known individuals.

This isn't just going to limit the incentives to spam. It's also going to get more people to do something with what they're learning. A LOT of people don't take anything seriously that they get for free.


Paul

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by SEO

Well the ironic thing is that the post stuffers are hitting up this thread itself. I still fail to see how this would deter them when it comes to posting? It has absolutely zero affect on the public forums 90% of the members are using.

How can I possibly do business with more than 1 person at a time when the PM limit is 5?

Sure you already make a killing with WSO bumps and the $37 lifetime membership fee is chump change for you...However, I'm just a consumer here and like the rest I want to know WIIFM? $37 for a 400 message PM box ???

SEO, your $37 is not just for the privilege of a 400 PM inbox.

You also get access to the War Room and the ability to post a WSO.

Now, if you have no interest in posting a WSO or having access to the
War Room, then no, $37 probably isn't worth just being able to store
400 PMs, so in that case, save your money.

You can still access the forum itself with all the information that's been
posted here absolutely free.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[anuj291]

Great news
I paid the $37 - My only reason was to keep my PM !!!!
Yes i am lazy and i need my message s to run my Article writing thread.. i dont want to loose a customer because my PM was full!!!

I love this move as many spammers will move out now. But i would suggest more stricker limitations than just the war room. If a person can still post and read warrior he will still spam someway or the other...

There must be more limitations... as in limited number of replies per day or number of posts per day.. something to kill spammers

Please dont make it another DP!!

Anuj

[Eric Lorence]

It is hard to imagine you have to pay to use a forum

Then you haven't been on any forums "worth" joining.

Many more business forums that run thousands of dollars in fees, and are worth the money just for the "contacts" you can generate.

There is a very large Domainer's forum that is substantially more to join then this one, and is also worth every penny.

It's worth the price to join just to "read" the War Room Posts, setting aside everything else.

It's also a trend now to ban all sigs in many forums, and only made available to paid members - for a hefty price.

Frankly, I'm surprised it's as cheap as it is...

[WritingMadwoman]

Sylvia, I couldn't agree more. I've had the same experience and it is shocking - like the WF exists outside of time and space . . . in the Warrior (Twilight) Zone . . . How can people not know about this place, or (gasp) choose another forum over this one? Black holes? Parallel universes? There must be an explanation.

Wendy

Originally Posted by sylviad

This makes me glad I joined the War Room way back when you started it.

But I must admit, although I immediately saw what fabulous content and community we have access to at the WF, I didn't realize just how high the quality was until I recently went in search of other marketing forums.

To be honest, I'm shocked that most are so bad. Reading posts on other forums vs reading posts here, you quickly see the level of expertise of the members.
Sylvia

[Kezz]

Personally, I'm gobsmacked that anyone is complaining at all.

1. Why should anybody pay their own money, to offer a free service to everybody?

Hosting PMs, hosting the forum, paying for bandwidth, spending time moderating and so on all costs money.
Fair enough if someone doesn't have the money to pay for membership, but that doesn't give anyone the right to demand that they get something for free.
Every time you send a PM, load a thread, post a comment - that costs the WF money. It's really quite unfair to complain about that not being completely free.

2. The price that is charged, is ludicrously cheap!

15.4 cents a month to be a part of a community that can launch your entire business and give you a financially independent life. Come on, that's a crazy good deal, easily the best most beneficial deal on the web for internet marketers in my opinion.

3. If you don't have $37, you can make it with a little work, right here!

There is a Warriors for Hire section. If you have $20 you can make yourself available to do work for other Warriors. That is how I paid for my own membership, and almost all of my WSO listings - by working for the money providing a quality service to people.
Anyone can make $37 if they put their mind to it, and think of a way they can really help people out.

4. Even with the paid member status in place, you still get all this stuff for free!

This could have easily been a decision to close the doors completely to non paying members. Instead, heaps of really really useful stuff is still available for free.
What about a little gratitude for all that "something for nothing" we're getting?


Folks that are complaining about this move should seriously think about showing some more gratitude for what is a great free service, with huge additional benefits for 15.4 cents a month. I mean seriously, come on, have a little heart.