Has Anybody Got a Clue???

by Chipt

Posted: 16 years ago 26 replies

JOINT VENTURES

... why there are so many posts here and so few replies?

... why tons of people have read your threads but almost no one has replied?

Does anyone using this forum here understand why this obvious but painful trend is so prevalent here on this one particular forum? The other Warrior forums do not display these types of stats...

Any ideas?

Chip Tarver

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Nick Brighton

16 years ago

Chipt,

I think the answer is two fold.

1. If people see an offer or opportunity they are interested in, they will possibly contact the OP directly via PM. Most JV's are a private affair when it comes to details and one 2 one deals.

2. The offers could be perceived as poor or are just cookie cutter "promote my affiliate program" posts, which is cool, but not going to inspire alot of people.

Sidenote: JV's (and I mean TRUE JV's) are all about exclusivity. Offering 75% affiliate commission on a new eBook is just not gravy to alot of serious JV seekers.

Affiliates and JV partners are two different beasts, and I think the whole issue and approach to JV partners should be treated differently.

A JV partner is the one who will always bring in the heavy sales volume, affiliates are fickle and often less focused (and/or have their fingers in lots of pies). Furthermore, even successful affiliates are very much of the "set and forget" and "dip my toes in and see what money I can make" mentality, and that's why people blindly offer 75% to lure them in...

...for affiliates, money is a primary motivation.

Anyway, I digress. I suppose my point is, JVs happen behind closed doors, via PMs and relationship building. And those do use this forum to look for possible partners, are often doing so to look for a more exclusive deal that just a commission.

But I suppose on the other hand, there are a lot of offers and deals on the table, but I guess that ultimately people are looking for something specific to their business, and often wont pursue an offer unless it really hits the sweet spot and fits perfectly with their business plans.

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Chipt

16 years ago

Excellent points, Nick.

Bravo!

Anyone else got any ideas to share concerning the points in the original thread above?

One caveat though... I am not totally convinced that all this alleged 'JV action' is going on via PMs based on the offers I've seen here so far...

... or if this 'PM action' is happening, I'd like to know specific details, deals, and results -- if this is going to be a real learning experience for the less experienced marketers who truly want to learn about doing real JVs with real marketers who can really produce real results that will astound people... and really attract the the people they really want to work with...

Chip

PS - I'm not being ugly here. I just want to separate the wheat from the chaff and see who can be trusted in here... and once that is known it will benefit everyone who is really serious in here...

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Doug McIsaac

16 years ago

All of the JV requests that I've responded to have been through PM.

I found a deal in here that resulted in an $11,000 launch.

Doug

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Chipt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug McIsaac

All of the JV requests that I've responded to have been through PM.

I found a deal in here that resulted in an $11,000 launch.

Doug

Awesome, Doug. Congrats!

Tell us all the juicy details so we can all learn from you...

Chip

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Doug McIsaac

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Chipt

Awesome, Doug. Congrats!

Tell us all the juicy details so we can all learn from you...

Chip

Chip,

The two most common ways to joint venture are by providing a product/service or providing a list.

I built a product, FatBurningLifestyle.com and kept my eyes open for opportunities here and pretty much everywhere I was online or offline. When I met someone that was interested in the diet/fitness niche I explained that we could re-purpose the content so that it was branded to them and they could share in the profits long-term.

Ron Douglas was looking for someone in the diet niche so I contacted him and explained that I was willing to repurpose my content and build something with him. We worked together to build TeamDiets.com and the results are the program mentioned in my sig.

The key is to find long-term value and to differentiate your offer. Most real joint ventures don't just want to send your offer to their list. If they wanted a quick hit they would go to Clickbank and sign up as an affiliate.

Hope that helps,

Doug

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Chipt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug McIsaac

Brilliant, Doug -

You obviously understand the game and are able to play. And the other readers here would be wise to carefully read what you just wrote. It's golden...

Bravo to you [loud applause heard] -

Chip

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star007

16 years ago

Doug,
good comments and very enlightening for me. It is good to have a place to go where you can find folks who are willing to help each other by doing ad swaps, etc. and I don't mind that not many people are leaving comments, but it is nice to see some feedback now and then.
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LivingCovers 16 years ago

How i wish i could find out how to do JVs for a particular service.
Mine has been here for close to four days with only one person responding
with a post and evidently, 60 views.
I don't think many marketers are interested in doing JV offers for services,...or
wasn't i specific enough???

Olatunde.
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LivingCovers

16 years ago

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Olatunde,
I think it is more of the lack of people actually going down this far in the forum. I have 77 views with no response as of yet.

James

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Kay King

16 years ago

I think you're wrong. If people are viewing it, it's getting exposure.

The problem I see with Olatunde's offer is that it's risky for a list owner to recommend a service provided by someone he doesn't thorough know. How many original graphics can one person create in a day? How does the list owner guarantee delivery in a timely way - or delivery at all?

A 10% conversion rate is highly unlikely - but even a 5% rate would result in 50 orders and delays in delivery. Meanwhile, the payment goes to the service provider - but the list owner is the one at risk.

You seem to know what you are doing technically - but you are new here and thus unknown. You have no site listed in your profile - and your forum name is yet another play on a popular (though not new) marketer. Your real name? Don't know - it's not in your profile.

Most list owners are not going to even think of JVing with an anonymous person. If your offer is getting views with no PMs or responses - the weakness may be the offer or the way it's presented, not the location on the forum.

kay

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LivingCovers

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Wow, Kay, you really laid it all out smoothly. Thanks for the advice.
I've just got someone who responded to my offer. He's yet to reply though.
By the way, the payment doesn't go to me, becos i don't have a paypal account. We are not eligible to open paypal accounts from Nigeria.
The payment goes into the paypal account of the list owner, and at the end of the deal, he sends my 50% cut to me.

Yeah, i know it's risky but i'm willing to take the chance.

When it pulls thru, i'll probably come back here to share my experience with you.

Thanks so much, Kay.

Olatunde.

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TheRichJerksNet 16 years ago

Olatunde,
I agree with what Kay said as far as we are newbies here. I think my profile does give the information of who I am as I am no newbie online. I am a newbie here though, yes.

James
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- bobsedge 16 years ago
  
  I think the problem is a combination of things. First, I agree that it appears that this forum does not get enough at bats. It would certainly help if it got more exposure.
  
  I also think that many IM'ers just don't get it. If they have a list they are looking for the homerun that will generate instant revenue. But that isn't how they built their list. They should be looking for excellent free content that will help someone else build their list while building trust and solidifying their relationship with their own list. The money will come but it needs to be done one brick at a time.
  
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  Kay King 16 years ago
  
  Products are not hard to find and a JV offer needs to provide an excellent deal for the list owner.
  
  List owners are protective of the lists they've built and cautious in choosing what they promote. Many work only with those they've had experience with or that they know. As mentioned in another thread here a while back - interested list owners are more likely to contact you in private, not reply in a public thread.
  
  Also remember to take note when you read posts by someone who is clearly working in an area that complements your product - and approach that person personally with a JV proposal. Make the offer BETTER than he can get as an affiliate promoting a product.
  
  kay
  
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  TheRichJerksNet 16 years ago
  
  Hi Kay,
  Care to read over my JV Request post and give some help on that then ..lol I am offering 50% instant paypal payments with no paypal fees (I take care of the fees). Really kind of hard on the product I have to go over 50%..
  
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  Chipt 16 years ago
  
  Kay laid it out beautifully...
  
  Your JV partner [at least usually the good ones] will know you, like you, and trust you...
  
  They will have a copy of your product, hopefully used it but at least reviewed it, and they will speak honestly in their endorsement of you and your deal.
  
  Remember, IMO there are 3 basic JV groups:
  
  1. The one I just mentioned
  2. The marketing wh*res who will promote anything, any time, to anyone, and could care less if they have seen the product or used it [or even if it delivers what was promised.]
  3. Those people who think it looks ok to promote and will give it a shot
  
  Too many people just don't know this side of JV deals... and as one person's sig file here aptly states, "Know thyself."
  
  Know your JV partners, too...
  
  A good JV partner will have a relationship of trust with you. They know your deal. They know you can handle the sales and delivery, the customer service, and the refunds...
  
  Yes, there will usually be refunds...
  
  Sadly a lot of these uninformed and blind JV offers I see here and all over the place are like this:
  
  [You walk up to a stranger on the street you have never met and say] "Hey, I'm the best thing since sliced bread. You wanna get married today?"
  
  Absurd, sure.... and reality -- yes... and that is why I entitled my thread here as I did, just to see who 'gets it' and who needs help...
  
  Chip Tarver
  
  PS - And be VERY aware that smart marketers value their list WAY MORE than they will ever value you, anyone else, or the few dollars a JV with you MIGHT generate for them. The others fit into groups 2 and 3 above...
  
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  jjpmarketing 16 years ago
  
  I didn't see a single one of your Joint Venture opportunities in your signatures. If you want exposure to your JV opp, don't rely solely on this specific forum for that exposure. Add it to your profile, signature, etc.
  
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  Chipt 16 years ago
  
  Hey, Dennis -
  
  Good eye... ...
  
  I don't ever make public and blind JV offers anywhere to anyone. Hence the JV info missing from my sig file. I honestly practice what I preach...
  
  My sig file being the way it is is not an accident. It is not an oversight on my part. It's on purpose...
  
  Once again, smart catch there. And if anyone wants to promote my FCS deal, my affiliate program is easily accessible on my site. I also find that some people also confuse the terms 'affiliate' and 'JV' -- and they are 2 completely different arrangements...
  
  Chip
  
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  jjpmarketing 16 years ago
  
  I was simply trying to illustrate the fact that... if you want someone to view your offer you have to put in the right location. No matter what business you are in... a factor critical to your success is location, location, location.
  
  Of course your decision not to publicize your JV is understandable.
  
  I believe I saw a few JV's where the user had very few posts at all. You have to build trust with people if you want them to JV with you.
  
  These users should be posting in threads on this forum relevant to their niche. Providing free and valuable content to other users. Once you start posting, the truth will come out... good or bad. You could look like anything from and idiot to a genius.
  
  But you have to put yourself out there to get noticed.
  
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  Kay King 16 years ago
  
  James -
  
  I think the product itself is confusing. It's meant to be a script/site for use as an article directory - am I right?
  
  Will anyone submit to a directory that is so blatantly advertising so many things? Would you need to do a revenue share to lure article writers?
  
  The submission terms on the sample site are clearly not written by a legal professional - and as someone who writes articles that would stop me right there.
  
  The sales page has a lot about how you make money from multiple streams but very little actual info on the benefits of running an article directory, etc.
  
  When a programmer writes a sales page - he often is focused on the mechanics and may miss the "big picture" that needs to be presented. These might include bullet points of the purpose of having such a site - the advantages that would help it become popular for article submissions, etc.
  Just a thought.
  
  The site seems to have many good features - but as it stands would be a confusing product offer to send to the average mailing list. I'm not a JV expert - so take my opinion with a grain or two of salt.
  
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  Chipt 16 years ago
  
  Hey, Kay -
  
  Good points IMO...
  
  As an aside, how's the weather looking down your way? Has anyone said if Gustov [sp.?] is for sure coming to party where you are?
  
  Chip
  
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  TheRichJerksNet 16 years ago
  
  Hi Kay,
  Thanks for the information .. Now I normally write out every single feature a script of mine has when I am selling that script normally on my programming site. Course I also dont sell my script for a measy $80 either. The attempt here was to actually make it more towards the marketing arena vs something like my programming site.
  
  As for the ads. What is here is Marketing Intergration Points controlled by admin meaning I can leave all 10 points empty if I wish and then no google ads, or no other ads would show on the site. Admin can turn off ebay if they wish as well as the peel ads you see can be turned off from the admin area.
  
  The demo pretty much has everything turned on and ofcourse everything added there is "demo" use, no real information...
  
  I do appreciate your input and I am no writer as you can see ..lol I dont claim myself as a marketer either so any input is more than welcome. I will work on some of that stuff just as soon as I get some time, currently working on putting up a real live site that will rock the competition
  
  Again thank you for looking and giving your feedback, your the best!!
  
  James
  
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LivingCovers 16 years ago

So James, what do you think sh'ld be done about this?
I only recently got here too some days back. An awareness of some sort
sh'ld be made so that there'll be an increased traffic here also.

The administrators are marketers themselves, so they sh'ld know better.
What do you think?
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tdpubs 16 years ago

Very well stated. I'm new to the forum and have just posted for the first time today. I'm hooked.
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giveusallfreedom

16 years ago

FYI - It's also at the bottom of the forum list. Look at the main discussion or the WSO forum and there are 300+ viewing at any time. Look at this forum and you only get 10 or 20 viewing. Nobody makes it down this far. I didn't even realize it was here until being on the forum for like six months.

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Chipt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

Hey -

1. I really have no idea what your first sentence means...

2. Yes - this forum gets fewer viewers because [I think] few people look far enough down the forum list... and because a lot of people don't have a clue that JVs are the single best marketing program any marketer can have...

3. So - this either gives you less competition here for the deals you want to do, or it gives you less people to do deals with, depending on your perception... so ...

Is your glass half full or half empty?

Chip

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