Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

Profile picture of the author Paul Myers by Paul Myers Posted: 10/17/2012
Major change to this section

Okay. A few people seem determined to play games with multiple accounts and re-posting deleted threads. On top of that, the rules in this section have been systematically ignored for a long time. So, from now on, threads in the JV section will need to be approved before becoming visible to the members.

Do not PM any of the moderators or go to the help desk asking when/if a thread will be approved, or why it wasn't. The rules are simple, and posted.

Note that approving a post does not mean that the forum or any of its moderators endorses the offer. It only means that the moderator who approved it wasn't aware of any reason not to do so when it was looked at initially.

You still need to use your own good sense. It's your time and resources you're investing. Choose wisely.

Note: We will not be approving posts from people who sign up and start looking for JVs without some track record of useful participation in the forum. If you don't have at least 50 posts, I won't even read the offer.

This is a "let's work together" section. Not a "way around the paid ads" section. The general definition of JV that we're using here is this:

Any partnership where two or more people bring various resources together to complete something none of them could - or perhaps want to - do on their own. They share in the effort/investment and in the profits.

Working together with others can help you get where you want to be much more quickly. But, as with any open system like this, some folks have abused that intent. So, we have some restrictions.

Update 12/21/2012: JV Giveaway events should be kept to this thread only. Please read the first post for current rules for that thread.

Offers that do not belong in this section:

Blind ads: If you can't say more substantive than "You'll make a bunch of money. PM me for details," you don't need to post it here. Or anywhere else on this forum.

Affiliate or MLM recruiting: Those go in the Affiliate Program Database

Ads looking for investments or loans: Way too many of these have been pure scams. For further info on that issue, read this post.

Ads that offer to teach you a system, and require that you spend X amount on paid traffic. Sounds reasonable, but those have typically included some rather nasty 'gotchas.'

Ads asking others to sell your products or run your ads through their account(s). Any type of account, including, but not limited to, eBay, Craigslist, AdWords/AdSense, CPA or PPC networks, and Flippa.

Selling anything, including solo ads.

Update 10/18/2012: Ad swaps are fine. Trading actual lists, or buying and selling email lists, is forbidden here. If we catch you doing it, you will be removed.

Update 7/1/2014: This includes selling leads, whether on a per lead or commission basis. A lot of people seem to think calling a sale a joint venture is a way to get around the rules.

This is also not the place to hire commissioned salespeople.

Any post violating these rules, or that just seems hinky, will be deleted. Re-posting deleted ads will get you, at the very least, a temporary ban.


Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Miscellaneous notes:

    Never pay anyone for anything in business through Paypal's Gift option. If you do, you immediately lose any and all protection you may have had through Paypal. You may also lose the tax deduction for the purchase, but you need to check with your accountant to be sure about that.
  • Profile picture of the author andynathan
    andynathan
    Are JV Giveaways OK?
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Andy,
    Are JV Giveaways OK?
    Edited 12/21/2012: You can post those in this thread... http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ay-events.html


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author gedrington
    gedrington
    Hi Was not sure what I can post here.
    I need to recruit some affiliates for my new product.
    Can I do that here or is there somewhere else on the forum?
    Thanks
    Guy
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Guy,
    Hi Was not sure what I can post here.
    I need to recruit some affiliates for my new product.
    Can I do that here or is there somewhere else on the forum?
    That is clearly explained in the first post in this thread.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author talentshout
    talentshout
    I would like to post about a survey that I am conducting for the online portal that we are about to launch (we are into SEO Resellership). The survey is basically about designs and functionalities that an internet marketer would like to have. Is that kind of post okay to be placed here?

    Thanks!
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Originally Posted by talentshout View Post

    I would like to post about a survey that I am conducting for the online portal that we are about to launch (we are into SEO Resellership). The survey is basically about designs and functionalities that an internet marketer would like to have. Is that kind of post okay to be placed here?
    Nope. I'm not really sure that would be allowed anywhere in this forum, except maybe a classified ad. And that probably wouldn't give you accurate or useful results.

    The problem is, that sort of product research always comes across as pre-promotion, and turns into salesy discussions. We've had waaay too many people in the past use those as ways to sneak ads into the discussion areas, and it will start up again if we allow it.

    It sucks, but it's the nature of the beast.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author neighborhub
    neighborhub
    Paul,

    Thanks for the update on the JV rules.

    I want to double check something on the rules.

    "Cannot Sell anything" - And "Lets work together" are two phrases you used.

    Clarification: I provide Custom App's, Mobile Apps, Web Development and Video production on super affordable scales.

    Scenario: I post about looking for others who want to utilize what we provide as an up sell at whatever rate they want then we bill them etc.
    Example: I charge $20-40 for a single Facebook app. They charge $150. I bill them. They bill customer.

    Is this legitimate for JV since its "lets work together" or not due to me selling something?

    I appreciate your clarification!

    Nathan
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Nathan,
    Is this legitimate for JV since its "lets work together" or not due to me selling something?
    That's a pretty commonly offered scenario in this section. It's clearly not an affiliate offer, since the reseller sets the price.

    (Hmmm. Reseller isn't even the right word, since it's a different product each time.)

    You would be acting as a supplier, not a partner. So, I think the classifieds or "Warriors for Hire" section would be more appropriate for that one.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author algreg
    algreg
    Hey Paul,

    I've been a member of the forum for a very long time but I usually don't make any posts. At the time I think I have a total of 5 or 6.

    I have a great idea for a product that I would like to launch here but I don't have the skills necessary to pull it off by myself.

    I know I can't start a new thread with so few posts. But I was wondering if I could talk about my idea if there's a post where someone happens to be looking for ideas?

    Thanks.
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    I know I can't start a new thread with so few posts. But I was wondering if I could talk about my idea if there's a post where someone happens to be looking for ideas?
    That kind of discussion probably won't happen in this section.

    My advice: Participate a bit in the discussion sections. It doesn't take that much time, if you do it in a useful way. A couple of posts a day answering questions or helping out, and pretty quick, you're there.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author GeoFan
    GeoFan
    Software Developer wants to give away software packages to the first 50 to respond.

    In return, the developer just wants feedback.

    Is that ok for this section? If not, can you suggest where to post that FREE OFFER?
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
  • Profile picture of the author dbolton
    dbolton
    Hi Paul,

    A few days ago, I tried to start a new thread here, title: Free eBook Advertising: Joint Venture.

    The thread never appeared (apparently, it wasn't approved), and I can't figure out why. In it, I offer to place warrior's publicity in my free ebooks, and then give them their own copy to distribute to whomever they wish.

    Do you know why it wasn't approved? Thank you!

    David Bolton
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    David,

    If you want to do that in the free ebook section, you could. As long as people can get a copy without signing up for anything.

    That's not the kind of JV we're looking for in this section, though. It's too much like an affiliate play.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author Ali Thunder
    Ali Thunder
    Hey Paul,

    First of all i am very thankful to you for posting rules

    I have a question about JV Section, can i post for JV partner Because I would need some serious partners for my products

    Thanks!
  • Profile picture of the author DenisBalitskiy
    DenisBalitskiy
    Hello Paul, thank you very much for this rules. I would like to ask you a question: i have made a post a couple of days ago on this section and and it seems that it was not approved, because a can't find it. The post was about a new Facebook group for JVs. In my understanding my post didn't violate any of these rules. Could you please help me with this?
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Ali,

    That sounds like it belongs in the affiliate database.

    Alejandro,

    That wasn't approved because it's not a JV. It's a Facebook group to talk about JVs. Or, based on the impression I got, affiliate deals.


    Paul
  • Profile picture of the author x11joex11
    x11joex11
    I'm wanting to make a post offering my programming skills in return for working with a proven 'marketer' to learn more about it. Since I'm wanting to create a business with someone in return for utilizing my skill-set to make a product they have in mind, is that appropriate to post here?
  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Paul Myers
    Originally Posted by x11joex11 View Post

    I'm wanting to make a post offering my programming skills in return for working with a proven 'marketer' to learn more about it. Since I'm wanting to create a business with someone in return for utilizing my skill-set to make a product they have in mind, is that appropriate to post here?
    As a general statement, yes. That might change depending on the posted details, but I'd say most of the time that would be within the rules here. You're going to have to participate in the forum a bit more first, though. I wouldn't approve a JV offer from someone with 4 posts.

    That's not a reflection on you or your skills. We don't know anything about either. Just a requirement to prevent or minimize certain problems that have cropped up here in the past, and to give people a better idea of who they might be dealing with.

    A deal like you're talking about can turn into a great thing for everyone involved, or it can turn into a nightmare. You and the marketer who might work with you need to be very clear on what each is to bring to the table, who's responsible for what, and where the lines are drawn.

    For example, if you're creating products, do you give up the copyright? If the partnership/mentorship ends, are you agreeing to not create similar products? How broad is the prohibition, if so? Will you provide ongoing support? Will you provide them with clearly commented source code, so they can take the work to someone else if you should be unable/unwilling to continue development?

    How many hours will the trainer spend teaching you, and in what areas? What kind of access do you have to them and any relevant data?

    You want to be sure you're approaching it with reasonable expectations, and that the person you propose to deal with is equally reasonable. If you can make it all work, it can be very profitable for both of you. If not, you can waste a lot of time and energy, and end up with big headaches.


    Paul

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