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Unread 3rd December 2012, 03:05 PM   #51
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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 10/18

Hi Paul I did take a brief look but thought I would ask the following.
Are you now informed if your Thread has been approved or disapproved? I did submit a thread, yet to see it go live. I'm pretty sure have not broke any of the above rules.
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Unread 3rd December 2012, 10:14 PM   #52
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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 10/18

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Nope. As a rule, I check this section at least once a day. If your thread doesn't appear within 24 hours, there's a good chance it won't.

Yours was too vague. You need to be specific in telling people what you're looking for, or it's going to be treated as an affiliate request.


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 10/18

Hello Paul,

I've been reading the rules and examining the different sections of the forum and wanted to make sure if I'm in the right area or not.

I'm trying to find a partner for an exclusive deal managing sales for my product. Where should I post this? If this is the correct section is it necessary to go on to create a track record of posts and participation or is there a shortcut?
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That really depends on the nature of the deal. If the "manager" is an actual partner, and is getting paid a percentage of the sales, it probably belongs here more than any other section of the forum. It's not really a JV, but it's close enough, as long as it really is an exclusive offer.

I mention that last caveat because a few people have tried to position affiliate recruiting deals using a similar description.

As far as a track record... There are no shortcuts. It's not a lot of work or time to get to levels that "qualify."


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 10/18

Note: We will not be approving posts from people who sign up and start looking for JVs without some track record of useful participation in the forum.

How often are we talking about? I only get on here in between work. I don't have hours a day to post on forums, i usually read them a little, and sometimes comment.

But i do have some legit JVs, but none ever show up? I imagine my 12 post history is setting me back?
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I imagine my 12 post history is setting me back?
Yep. When I look at the posts, the first thing I glance at is the person's post count. If it's really low, I don't even read the rest of the offer.

This section, like several others, is a free service offered to help out active members. It's not viewed, at least from the moderator side, as a free advertising section.


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I read the rules first and saw that you cannot throw a JV Giveaway.
My question is: Where can I post a giveaway event? Or is the answer simple: nowhere?

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You could post it in the classifieds or "Looking to hire you" sections, but that wouldn't likely do you a lot of good. Not what people go there for. And it can't go in the WSO section unless it's Warriors only.

Hmmm. This is a common enough request. I need to figure out a way for folks to do this that doesn't fill this section with non-JV offers. Let me look around a bit and see what makes the best fit.

Update: Added a thread specifically for these offers. See "JV" Giveaway Events


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

Just a suggestion:

It might be a good idea to post a couple of examples of what WOULD constitute an "approved" JV, just so that people who don't have experience doing it can get some sort of idea.

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It might be a good idea to post a couple of examples of what WOULD constitute an "approved" JV, just so that people who don't have experience doing it can get some sort of idea.
Any approved thread posted since the start of November is an example.


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Do I need to have a certain number of post before I can post in this thread? I aw "track record" used, so assuming yes.

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Yes, but the number may change if it seems to be too high or too low. At the moment, far more offers are rejected based on not being JVs (or even close) than because of participation levels.


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Sean,[quote1]Do I need to have a certain number of posts before I can post in this thread? I saw "track record" used, so assuming yes.
Yes, but the number may change if it seems to be too high or too low. At the moment, far more offers are rejected based on not being JVs (or even close) than because of participation levels.


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Paul, thank you for your reply. I will continue to post until I meet the requirements. I have a JV that I need help on, and I'm sure its a JV

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Unread 29th January 2013, 10:19 AM   #65
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Hi Paul:

I found warriorfourm.com while trying to get a person who is good in S.E.O. for my website as a partner (revenue sharing on a percentage basis.)
I joined up in hoping to finding someone.
I did post in the general discussion and was told that I actually need to post in the JV section.
I than asked what was the JV section and finally figured it out.
I have requested as a joint venture thread and it has not yet been put on.
It seems like the only rule that I am breaking is that I have not been on warriorfourm.com long enough.
However, this is the precise reason I joined to begin with.
Am I correect or is there another rule that I am breaking?

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Unread 29th January 2013, 01:21 PM   #66
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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

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You don't have enough posts for this section, but that wouldn't matter. What you're looking to do is hire someone, not do a joint venture. If I were you, I'd look through the SEO offers and see if someone with good references looks like a proper fit.


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Unread 30th January 2013, 09:37 AM   #67
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They don't have to be in this section...


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

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Yes, I was referring to posts.

You were looking for an affiliate manager (often mislabeled "JV manager") for a single WSO. Those will almost always get deleted. Even if you'd had enough posts, that one wouldn't fit what we're talking about here as JVs.

For those folks who may be confused about some apparent discrepancies, note that I have not gone through and deleted many threads which date from prior to these rules being posted.


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Hi Paul,

Been reading over the rules and replies on this thread. I couple days ago I submitted a new thread about a JV with an SEO partner and was wondering why it wouldn't get approved. It's a legitimate partnership with contracts, and there is no hiring or any of that going on. The revenue is split and each party contributes to the venture.
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Jordanwarrior, I am having a similar problem.

It would be helpful to know why our threads have not been given the go-ahead .

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Hey Paul,

I posted 2 posts here around 10 days ago, still none have been approved.
Can I please know how to post in here?

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I get a "you do not have permission to access this page" when I try to create a New Post here. Is that because of my post count?
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I'm looking for a partner in my existing IM business that generated 1147 sales grossing over $30K in 2012 with a list of about 8000. I don't have a lot of posts here, but that doesn't mean I'm not a legitimate business owner.

I was told the Warrior Forum would be a great place to find a partner. How can I find a partner with no posts to my name? (I have no desire to go and make a bunch of meaningless posts just to prove that I am a real person.)
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Nope. Got to be a glitch. Try logging out and then back in.


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Thank you.

You could try the Old School approach: Direct networking.

Posting a bunch of meaningless one-liners wouldn't be a great idea anyway, as those tend to get nuked wholesale if someone sees and reports them.

This section is currently free to post in. It's intended to help the members of the community to make connections and build their businesses more quickly. If you have no desire to become an active member of the community, you are welcome to advertise in the paid sections.

Or network. That's probably going to be more effective anyway.


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Ads asking others to sell your products or run your ads through their account(s). Any type of account, including, but not limited to, eBay, Craigslist, AdWords/AdSense, CPA or PPC networks, and Flippa.
I've read the rule and real all of the posts & comments in here, but I could see the one I concerned. I don't want to post crappy JV which will be like to be unapprove.

I'm a web designer & SEO specialist, but I'm not good at English for writing contents or articles. Therefore, I need partner who could do contents & I do web creation and SEO.

The partner could use their Adsense, ClickBank, Amazon or Other afilliate/monetization accounts on the sites that we've created together in return for 50/50 profit.

Does this against any rule for using my partner accounts on our projects?

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Good question to ask in advance.

I will not approve any JV proposal that requires the use of someone else's AdSense, eBay, CPA, or other such accounts.

If I discover that this is disclosed only in private, and only after a response to a post, the poster will be banned or removed from the forum.


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Ok what about this, Could I post an ad for a Joint Venture that was largely affiliate but with an extra 5% on the residual commissions compared to regular affiliates thus totalling 80%
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Also including a promotional interview with the marketer a link to their website or landing page, a life time free membership and possibly allowing them to include upsells on my product after negotiation. Would that be allowed? Would that be a joint Venture?

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Hi Paul,

I am looking for a partner who would like to co-invest with me on a 50/50 basis to buy websites that are already making consistent income, keep the website for a while, restructure it, work on the SEO for a while and then sell or keep it.

I have a clear profile for the ideal JV/partner to buy together websites. I have been doing it for a while and I want now to do it with someone to share the load and the profit as it is starting to become a lot for me.

Will this be something for the JV section?

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Noah,

No "investment requested" offers will be approved here, even if they look completely legit. That sucks for the ones that are doing things cleanly, but those have been too big a source of problems for the other members. We're going with the odds for that type of thing.

MoneyKattz,

That's still an affiliate offer. Sounds like a very smart one, too.

There's nothing wrong with what you're suggesting. That's just not the purpose of this section.


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Hi Paul,

Good to see you around here. I'm not sure if I missed a reply (I did go through all the discussions here), so I'm asking.

I'm a programmer by choice, and currently working on a few WSOs with a Warrior here. I'm looking at starting off a JV for a few software projects that I have in mind. I also have the leads and places where I can market them. Is this forum the place where I can look for such JVs with like-minded programmers who could invest their time and talents along with me? I did send out a post in here and it's currently in the waiting mode; but it's close to 24 hours - so I guess maybe I should have asked this question before.

UPDATE: No worries, it's approved, thanks .

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Hi Paul,

"bawls, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons"


I am missing something?

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What would be the best way to share your product with a bunch of [deleted] on this forum so they might become a [deleted] for it.

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Posting the offer as a question in the rules thread is probably not the best approach.

You could put it in your signature file and post normally. You could pay for a classified ad or banner spot. Or you could look for people asking for suppliers for your type of product and contact them directly.


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I probably didn't even read your offer. When I queue up tabs with new offers every day, I go through and delete anything from members with less than 50 posts, without looking past that number. The ads in this section are currently offered at no financial cost, but we do require that posters have participated in the discussions.

War Room membership doesn't have anything to do with this part of the forum, by the way.

That said, we no longer approve affiliate offers in this section, no matter how many posts you have.


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I have a serious JV interest in trying to link up with someone to start something that I feel can be successful sharing my wordpress skills and I need someone on board for SEO. Am I S.O.L?
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I have a serious JV interest in trying to link up with someone to start something that I feel can be successful sharing my wordpress skills and I need someone on board for SEO. Am I S.O.L?
Depends on how you structure the offer. It sounds more like a "wanting to hire" ad, but that's just an impression based on very little info.

You need to carefully consider the way you present it. That's much more important than whether it gets approved here, as this is far from the only place you could be looking for partners.


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Hey Paul, Can you shed some light on why my thread wasn't approved?
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Hey Paul, Can you shed some light on why my thread wasn't approved?
The majority of "you create content for my sites and I'll pay you" offers don't get approved. Just like most of the "You do SEO for my site and we'll split the profit" ones.


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Just wondering how long it typically takes for a JV ad to get approved and show up? Did I miss this somewhere? I submitted our post earlier today, thanks.
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I won't even read your offer, for reasons explained earlier in this thread.


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Unread 30th May 2013, 06:43 PM   #92
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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

Well my post was a true JV offer, not looking for affiliates or to hire anyone and not asking for an investment. It was very descriptive and not vague, so I don't see any other reasons that were posted...
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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

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I don't see any other reasons that were posted...
From the first post in the thread:
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Note: We will not be approving posts from people who sign up and start looking for JVs without some track record of useful participation in the forum.
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I probably didn't even read your offer. When I queue up tabs with new offers every day, I go through and delete anything from members with less than 50 posts, without looking past that number. The ads in this section are currently offered at no financial cost, but we do require that posters have participated in the discussions.

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Hey Paul,

I know it has nothing to do with the topic but I just had to say I loved the fact that you used the word "Hinky"! That's something I don't hear very often.

Thanks for making me smile.

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Dear Paul,

I know the rules are there, because I have read them carefully before spending 3 hours on perfecting my thread opening post and spending $35 on a war room membership just to be able to open this tread on the JV forum.

Was my thread not approved because you consider an account with 17 posts and 15 thanks as one with a lack of track record?

Did you see this thread where I have 3-4 very old forum members vouching for me?

http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...reat-news.html

Paul, I'm a reasonable guy and I'm trying to do something nice here. I don't see why anyone would not approve my forum thread.

Would you please take a look at who I am and what I'm trying to do and make an exception for me although most of my participation on this forum hasn't been in terms of visible posts?

Or should I spend maybe a day more on this forum, participate in conversations and grow my post count? Am I going to be allowed to post my thread to the JV forum? Is that what you're ACTUALLY looking for? Numbers?

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I just signed up but have been reading and recommending the forum for years. I haven't posted many threads because quite frankly I don't have much to add. My skill are not marketing based. A meaningless post is just that. It would take me years to post 50 threads. I read, as in fact, many of your users only do. And I am not trying to get around paying for an ad. I posted ( or tried twice to post ) a venture that is at the heart of what this part of the forum is about. I am looking to bring my set of skills together with another warrior. Can you please read the post or have someone reply to my requests ? I would very much appreciate that. thanks HTD
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As you can see by my thread below yours, you are not alone in your frustration. Many other members are also experiencing the exact same treatment. It really makes no sense at all. I have never been on a forum where you were simply ignored. I thought this forum was for everyone. And when you payed a fee to join ( which most forums don't require ) , you were treated with respect. It would seem Paul is burned out by people scamming the forum and really does not trust anyone anymore. I can understand his frustration as that trend is alive and well and could really get old FAST. But from the requests I have read here..... " Are you listening Paul ? " There are some good people with something good to offer the users of this forum which does not violate the spirit of this forum. Numbers of posts prove nothing. Participation is measured in many ways. It is the quality..... not the quantity. Respectively please re-think your position.

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Can you explain what was the issue of my post
I haven't been approving any of the "I have a site, I'll split the revenues for traffic" offers. I may loosen up the approval guidelines soon, though, as far as the types of offers that get through.

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It really makes no sense at all. I have never been on a forum where you were simply ignored.
The fact that you don't agree with (or possibly just don't understand) a policy doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

When you tell enough people "No," there will always be some that want to argue. They tend to get obsessed and push things until they cross the lines and get banned. Some, especially those who make it clear they've read the rules and try to violate them anyway, don't get the point. Those folks are the most likely to push small things until they become large issues. Ignoring the initial issue removes that trap from the path of most people.

There's also the matter of time. I volunteered to moderate this section to try and keep out some known scams and scammers that kept popping up, and to make it more useful for the members. Explaining every decision would be a huge time sink.

There will be adjustments made, but they won't include removing the minimum post requirement. It may go up or down, as the balance dictates, but it will not go away.

The limit is there for a few reasons. The biggest is to keep out the hit-and-run types. It takes a very little effort to make 50 posts that stick, but those people are likely be unwilling to make that effort and take their games somewhere else.

Another is that I consider posting in this section to be a privilege that's earned. Reading posts doesn't add anything to the forum. If you think "I've benefitted from the efforts of the other members but haven't given anything back to them" qualifies as participation, we're using very different definitions.

Making that effort is the "price" of getting an ad considered for this section of the forum.


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

Dave,

This sure looks like you want traffic from them first:
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In order for us to place you in this exclusive position, you will need to bring your expertise now to do SEO on another site we now have.
As for this...
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And mine fails to fall into any of the above mentioned.
I've been keeping the approvals on a tight leash for reasons already expressed in this thread. I mentioned to you that I was considering loosening those, to see where the balance ends up.

Someone else said, in a post they deleted...
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I found at least five posts in the JV section that are in clear violation of "the rules" as stated by the moderator over and over again.......
Note the dates of those threads and the date this one was posted. I did not choose to go back and apply the same standards retroactively to the approximately 10,000 previously extant threads in this section.

Care to guess why?


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Default Re: Rules for the JV section - Updated 12/21

Dave,

You don't seem to grok the concept. I did not say there was anything at all wrong with your offer. I said "I haven't been approving..."


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