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| This Product is no longer available. No, I will not sell you a copy so don't bother IMing me or emailing me. This product has been discontinued indefinitely. Current Twadder customers will still receive support and the software will still be updated occasionally. But no new copies of this software will be sold. Why this product is no longer available: I don't want to pull the plug on a product like this, but it's become necessary. This is the first time I've ever had to do something like this. I will explain the reasoning in order to preserve my reputation and hopefully shine some light on a problem that exists in this industry. It's not just because I lost time and money on the project. This is partially my fault. I built a product that attracted a particular market that produced unexpected results. I take responsibility for not researching this market before creating this software. Had I done so and known the outcome I would have never built this product. I also made the mistake of attaching this product to my name, as opposed to a company. This made it more appealing to defraud me when people knew it was one person, and not a powerful company. To the good customers: To the over 1,000 people who purchased this product, and paid for it and didn't attempt to defraud me, thank you. You have my eternal gratitude and it's folks like you who keep software industries going. When people purchase products and give feedback, great products grow and evolve and the support of their customers is crucial. It's very sad that you guys weren't the majority in this case, this software may have evolved. Why it became a loss: When I first built this software, I saw that the alternatives were very expensive. Most products were $100 - $200 and up. I had decided that a low cost version of that software was needed, for people who could not afford such an investment up front. I created the software with no licensing system, and advertised it on many forums, including this one. I quickly got top spots in google for people looking for these types of products, and sales started rolling in fast. I noticed a high percentage of people were purchasing the product, and asking for a refund sometimes minutes later. I quickly gathered that people were simply purchasing it, getting the download link and then getting a refund. So I implemented a licensing system. This system quickly proved me right. 95% of the people who asked for refunds would quickly resume using the software. In nearly every single case they had demanded a refund via email, or thru paypal and filed a complaint saying they never got the product. But shortly after I would see them online using the product. I had people every single day filing complaints with paypal saying either: 1. I had not delivered the product 2. The product was not as advertised. I have had my paypal account since 1999. And I have been selling software thru paypal since then, and never have I ever had this sort of experience at this level. Over 75% of purchasers had done this exact tactic. For every 4 products I sold, 3 of them filed a complaint with paypal, and then continued to use the software. I then suspended their license. After suspending their license, many people became angry. They went back to the forums and boards and spread lies about me. They posted outright lies and claims that I was harvesting twitter passwords. They got my hosting account revoked by submitting false spam reports. They got my twitter accounts suspended. They sent threatening emails containing my personal information and that of my families. These people were very angry that they had not gotten a product for free. They had expected to purchase it, download it then get a refund and continue using it. Yet because of the good customers, I put up with it. Then there are the serial refunders. Aside from the fraudsters there was another type of refunder. They were the type who would not read a single piece of documentation on the software. They would take up hours of my time per day repeating things that were in the FAQ or user manual. They would refuse to install the .net framework and then email me or call me about it. Then, after several email threads or phone conversations, they'd get it installed and start using it. Then say "I dont really like it, please give my money back". Or "I'm not getting any new followers" and I would try to help, only to see their accounts were riddled with links to porn, spam or other silly things that nobody wanted to follow. 1. Customer buys product. Ignores all directions to return to merchant and get serial number. (auto redirects, but they close the window) 2. Customer emails later asking for serial number. 3. I generate license and send details. 4. Customer cancels .net install. Emails me 5. 3-6 emails back and forth getting information and me sending info that was in FAQ and manual. 6. Customer gets software running, starts spamming porn/viagra/spammy links 7. Customer demands refund because they are not getting a lot more followers. This was the usual routine for over a year now. This is not fraud, but it didn't help matters. The hours I was spending helping people who didn't read the directions made it so I could not get time to further develop the software. Then I never got compensated for that time once they asked for their money back. You can look thru this thread, or other threads on the internet and see what I'm talking about. It's the same questions over and over and over. This alone is not enough to kill a product, but I can tell you that many companies would not continue to develop a product with these kinds of problems. Also, I would like to point out that I refunded over $2500 near Christmas time. Some people had been using the product for 9-10 months at that point, and near Christmas they asked for a refund. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why something like this would be happening. In Closing I lost a tremendous amount of time and money on this product. I put my company paypal account at risk. As a side note, I would like to point out that of all the fraud claims at paypal not a single one was ruled against me. 100% of those claims were ruled in my favor. I was nice enough to refund their money after that, but I was never forced to. This should tell you something about what kind of people I was dealing with. My paypal merchant account is active and in good standing. Because of a massive loss of time and money on this product i must discontinue it. I simply don't have the time to invest on a product that costs me money to keep going. I will continue to support existing customers, but no new products will be sold. I apologize to the great customers who hoped this product would flourish and thrive but I cannot continue to do it. Many companies out there charge $100 or more, and it's likely because they want to weed out problems like I have had. They also offer no refunds and very little support, which is something I'm not willing to do as a business person. So I am choosing to walk away from this and continue on my more successful products. I'm not a multi-million dollar corporation who can run certain products at a complete loss. The Future I will be building a web based version of the software, and I'll see how that goes. If so I will give out free accounts to existing customers, and won't likely open it up to future sales either. Thank you to all of you who provided support, feedback and enjoyed the product. |
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You can't compare this software with software like Hummingbird. Such software have way more features than Twadder Pro. Of course, the price is different as well |
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While that may be the case, the features listed in Jeremy's software are very impressive nonetheless and the price is a complete no brainer. | |
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Sent you a PM just purchased
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Well, I think this fits the ticket nicely! Not bulky, but great for adding new followers. I too, have heard that it's good not to add too many followers at once. This tool makes it easy to control that while targeting your EXACT market. What a no brainer it was to grab this! |
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I just sent you a pm, too. |
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Well, i guess braver55b and Jeremy Morgan missed the last sentence in my previous comment ("Of course, the price is different as well ").Nothing bad about Twadder Pro, i didn't even test it. But comparing only the price that's comparing apples with pears. Sure, Twadder Pro looks simple and easy to use in the videos Jeremy made. That's something what a lot of people will like. I still miss some basic features in Twadder Pro, so i make a small list Jeremy can use for his update for Twadder Pro. -. More selection possibilities while searching followers (example: country). -. Unfollow particular people, instead of all in once. -. Let the user choose between names or numbers (follow this persons followers currently show them in numbers only). In wich programming language did you create this software Jeremy? Best regards, MiFoxy |
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As far as the suggestions go, thank you very much. I do want to add more selections for followers, in future versions as well as proxy support. As far as the numbers thing, it's how it's returned by twitter, and I did have it so it converted the numbers back into usernames, but it slowed down the process significantly. When you follow someone else's followers, or who is following them, twitter uses that ID, and I made the decision to have it perform better. However, I do think I may add something in to show usernames, and advise customers that there is a large performance penalty for it. Thank you for your suggestions and I'll definitely think about some of these additions to the software. It was written in C#.net BTW. | |
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I tried this bad boy out last night. Just did a little bit on one of my new accounts. I now have 135 followers, and I'm following a little over 300! I LOVE this software! It's so easy to use that even a techno phobe like me can use it. It doesn't have a bunch of 'learning curve' options; just does what I want it to do - helps me get more followers. I immediately pm'd Jeremy, (you can see me telling him I'm pm'ing him above) and asked if he was going to have an affiliate option, as this should be DEAD EASY to sell. I was delighted when he said one is coming. I honestly recommend this software for anyone that wants to build their twitter followers up, and want a simple solution that plainly WORKS! The hard part is not going overboard, because it's also fun to use. Thanks Jeremy, and don't forget to let me know the 'second' your affiliate program is in place! Olaina |
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Why was this user Banned?
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![]() Yes you mentioned the numbers/name ID's issue in your video already. But why not make a button to let the user choose between names or numbers ![]() This way, people who do not care it just choose the numbers, wich is faster. And people who prefer names instead of numbers just choose names wich is slower of course. Another thing wich is absolutely important in my opinion, is the mass following and unfollowing. This should be done randomly. If you massfollow multiple people in one click that looks suspicious to Twitter, thus your account might be banned. Same story to unfollowing.... Everything what does not look like human interaction is suspicious.... | |
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Don't be misled by the low price. It's solid well made software, and has some unique "must have" features. It does need .netframework3.5 but that microsoft update is easy, automatic, integrated into the install process and painless. There are some good thin free programs out there that do similar, but those free programs admit they might not be updated for long, they have far fewer features and their interfaces are not as elegant as this program. Why risk that when this important program is well priced for now. |
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* Proxy Support * Random timer between adds And the reason for that is, the proxy thing has been requested several times, and I think it's a very useful feature that won't distract from the simplicity. The random feature is just like you said, it makes it look more "human" by adding a second or two between adds here and there. I think this will help. I haven't received a lot of feedback about people getting banned with this tool, but I think everyone is using it in a pretty smart way (not trying to do 5000 follows a day, etc) but I think it helps for the people who are using it very heavily. I have one customer who has over 100 twitter accounts, and spends 5-6 hours a day following. I think these "hardcore" users might end up needing some kind of protection from getting banned, so I'll add a couple new features. BTW (I know someone will ask): The next version will be a free upgrade for ALL twadder customers! | |
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Jeremy, Thanks for responding to my email so quick. One more question... Are there concrete rules regarding how many you can follow in one day? I had a friend of mine get his account suspended for following around 400 people at one time using Refollow - Twitter relationship manager ; Any advice on avoiding suspension while aggressively building your list? Your software looks awesome. Neal |
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my advice would be to keep it under 500 at a time, and under 1000 a day. After you get 2,000 followers a ratio kicks in, so it helps control it. Believe it or not, I think the best way to avoid getting banned is to control your content. Post meaningful, relevant stuff and make it as human and interesting as possible. Post "personal" stuff like how much your drive home sucks, and what you had for lunch. Why? because the easiest way to get banned is to look like a spammer. If a lot of people block you as spam, this will get you flagged for abuse. Twitter seems to act on flagging a lot faster than how many people you follow. So if you look like a spammer, or your twitter is full of obvious marketing links, people are more likely to block or report you. If you look like a real human, they will either follow you, or choose not to. So my best advice is to keep it within limits, and work hard to make your twitter looks like it's run by a human. |
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Hi Jeremy, Looks like a great software, I will probably pick this up. Could you explain something for me first though. I thought the limit of people to follow is 2000 per account so how does this work with your software. I don't see how it is possible to get 2000 followers or more per account if you can only follow 2000 people or am I missing something. Could you please explain this to me? Thanks, John |
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It's not a limit at 2000, but a ratio that kicks in. Here is how it works, you follow 2000 people, and at that point twitter stops you from following more people, until they start following you. Once enough people follow you , say 1700 or 1800, then you can start following people again, and it will limit you. As I said in my post above, if you only post links and spammy crap, people won't follow you, and it will become a hindrance. But if you post interesting stuff, and keep a good variety, they will. Here are some good tips: 1. DO NOT use a camgirl, or 20 something girl posing sexy as your picture. 2. Don't just post links and "deals" 3. Don't put really busy backgrounds that are full of ads 4. Don't just post "follower chains" such as gary mccaffrey's stuff (its ok to join his group, just dont repost that over and over) 5. Don't post foul and offensive stuff 1. DO post valuable things that are relevant to your niche. 2. Do post a variety of links, not just ones to your own sites. 3. Do post quips, quotes and jokes 4. Do post personal stuff ("What's up with all these billboards on I-5?") that indicate you are a human And you should do fine. Also, if you hit 2,000 and not enough people are following you, you can use a service such as huitter.com to unfollow people who aren't following you, and bring yourself back down to a place where you can start following people again, and maybe find people more likely to follow you back. Hope this helps! |
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Hi Jeremy, Thank you for your reply, so for setting up new accounts with your software have you found it best to add a few posts first before actually following people as a new twitter account with say 1 update doesn't give much idea for anyone to follow back. I'm going to get the software anyway but would like to know your thoughts on the best way to use it. Thanks, John |
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John, I would definitely reccomend adding a few posts. Here is one thing you can do. As you create your multiple accounts, set up an account at tweetlater.com. Load up some posts to be spread out over a couple of days. At the end of those couple days, start adding people. This looks very authentic, and gets people interested faster. btw tweetlater is a free service, with a few limitations but not bad. |
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I should also post here as a note: If you put in the wrong password and re enter it too many times, a captcha screen comes up, and it loops several times over. I will be putting a "stop" button in to stop it from looping, but its best to make sure you have the right password entered. A typo will cause this, and because of the captcha it will loop over and over. As always, feel free to contact support for anything, but that is a pretty common issue. |
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How soon are you anticipating your next update will happen? It would be nice to get some of those other features working |
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I will get a fix out this week for the login thing. Working on it right now, and I'll send all customers a notice when the update is complete. | |
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Hi, I just downloaded it. When I click on the setup.exe file, it says application cannot be launched. Contact the software vendor. What is happening? My transaction id is Transaction ID: 3S761463WA0012312 |
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Davion, Please check your PMs. I hope we can get your issue figured out. -Jeremy |
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Glad you were able to get it working Davion. Just as a reminder, the Microsoft .net framework 3.5 is required for this application, it only takes a few minutes to install. You can get it here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...1-508D977D32A6 or the application will download it automaticallly for you. If you cancel the .net install, the application will not run! |
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Hi Jeremy, What an excellent piece of software and what a bargain! Sure, as pointed out by other buyers, they could no doubt be additional features, but at this price, I do not think anyone can have realistic grounds to complain. The bottom line is, it works superbly well (even with my steam driven net connection), and you really cannot ask any more than that... Anyway, congratulations on doing a great job, and I'm looking forward to seeing the updates over the coming weeks and months, Regards, Steve PS. PM sent about another matter that might help you... |
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Awesome! Thanks for the kind words. I'll check my PMs. | |
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| WHAT TO DO IF TWITTER WONT FOLLOW PEOPLE If you notice that your twitter account isn't following anymore, this is happening for one of two reasons: 1. You have followed too many people that day 2. You have over 2000followers, and have a ratio applied. Twitter recently implemented these restrictions, but there are ways around it. If you have followed too many people that day, there isn't much you can do. I am noticing a limit of around 1,000 people a day that you can follow, especially with new accounts. However, if you have over 2000 followers and have the ratio applied, here is what it means. After 2,000 followers, twitter restricts a ratio. You can't follow any more people until people follow you. So if you are following 2,000 people, and only 20 of them are following you back, they will not allow you to follow back. You can work on your content to make sure people follow you. Also, you can try messing with the search terms to see if it produces best results. You have to get more people to follow you, before you can follow more people. If you are just spamming links, you won't get a lot of people following you. Also, you can unfollow people who are not following you. The best place to do this is huitter.com. This service is free. I will repeat this again: If you are simply posting links, less people will follow you. Make it interesting, personable and try to add value. This will get their attention, and make them want to follow you. Good luck!! |
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Hey Jeremy - I took a bite - at less than 10 bucks...fantastic. You give us a license serial number after purchase with this - just want to make sure you are ok with this and if not, I'll buy a second license: I provided the software to one of my staff to use for me (I love delegating!) so the s/w is on his PC. It is also on mine - though I only loaded it up to check it out before delegating - is that an issue? cheers, Maria |
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| And, for those of you who inquired, we do have an affiliate system set up! TwadderCash Affiliate system |
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Looks very solid Jeremy. Nice tool. Will buy it and drop a line later.
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Looks great. When signing up as affiliate, no email has been received - after 30 minutes with correct email used. Tried logging in and just brought me back to main sign up page. ? |
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| I have approved your account, and I'll check into the email thing. Thanks for signing up!
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Twitter bans your account if you follow too many followers within short period of time. Is this software follow that rule? |
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You should always obey the TOS of twitter, and not go over 1000 per day. The software does limit you to 1000 adds at one time, but you can bypass if it you want. I decided to make the software unlimited in how many people you can follow, but you should still observe the rules, I have posted more details in the thread above. |
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Twitter generally doesn't ban you for following agressively, rather it applies a limit. So for a space of time, usually 24 hours you can't continue to follow. Sometimes the limit is a ratio, so if you unfollow you can then follow again. |
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Another thing to note is, people can mark you as spam. If you post a lot of offensive stuff, or just pure links, the likelyhood of this happening is a lot greater, so be careful! | |
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How long did it take for you to get to 2000. It took me a while as I only added 100 per day during the week. I believe the ratio you mention is 10%. there cannot be a difference of 10% once you are over 2000 following. Example: you follow 2,200 you must have 1980 people following you...correct me if I am wrong. I'd like to get to 10,000
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Hey Jeremy, bought it, put it ON, and it's doing it's thing. Thanks mate, great tool, amazing price.Fernando |
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Fernando, glad you like it! I have been getting great feedback on this product. | |
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Thats me eventually took the time to add this important tool for my business. Many thanks Paul PS your affiliate site links were down, just to let you know |
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I have checked the affiliate system, and not found any problems, but I'll keep an eye on it. | |
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Just downloaded and put Twadder to run, and i have seen fantastic results so far. Thanks for this fantastic WSO, Jeremy! |
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Is this site still up -- I click on the order link above and get a 403 error message???? Pls advise. |
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