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| Senior Warrior Attorney War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Jedi Temple
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Warriors: Let's face it. There's been a lot of garbage and outright fraud on the WSO forum this year. Sometimes we demand proof of sales and results, only to get run around, asked for PMs only, or given screen shots of earnings. Even then, I've lost track of how many times those screen shots have turned out to be utter fakes. There is a thread now essentially saying that anyone making income claims is a fraud: INCOME CLAIMS...Do That Many Warriors Really NOT Get It? But you'll see in the thread some sellers proclaiming they're the real deal. Here's their chance to prove it.... Here's every WSO and Classified Ad seller's opportunity to provide information you can TRUST that VERIFIES income and other claims.... Here's every Warrior's opportunity to review a WSO or Classified Ad making certain claims. If it's verified you may want to buy. If it's not verified, take that into consideration and you may want to give it a pass. After hearing a lot from Warriors, and although I initially decided not to offer this (twice), let's give it a go -- the Warrior Verified service. Full details when you click here: Warrior Verified In short, if you're selling anything that makes claims such as sales, revenue, clicks, traffic, etc., now is your exclusive opportunity to have a lawyer confidentially review your claim. If you can verify it: * You'll get a personalized letter on law office letterhead saying the claim is verified. * You'll get a PDF copy of that letter to use online. * You'll get a page reference all to yourself on WarriorVerified.com (with badge) and/or my law office website confirming your claim is verified. Now, ask yourself, which WSO are you more likely to buy from? Seller 1: Says he has a new, never seen before CPA method that makes $500 a day. Seller 2: Says she has a new, never seen before CPA method that makes $500 a day, and she has a legal letter confirming that her income claim has been reviewed and is true. Only an attorney (any maybe CPAs) can provide the level of confidentiality, privacy, and authority that can be trusted by sellers and buyers. While no one can verify that something has 'never been seen before', the $500 day and for how long those earnings have been made can be confirmed. So before you buy another WSO or product from a Warrior Forum ad, ask the seller to get verified. Here is that link again for more details: Warrior Verified |
| Last edited by kindsvater; 08-23-2009 at 08:42 PM. Reason: added new website to accommodate seal requests | |
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This is a good idea...I think I am going to give you a go. I agree especially in the economy climate we are in people need to know who they can trust. |
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Hey Brian in addition to your letter will you offer some kind of logo we can put on our website like a warrior verfied seal of approval? |
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| I've been looking into a logo. It would not be a 'Warrior Forum' seal of approval. That is Allen's trademark and while I love the forum and am a proud Warrior, only Allen can give those out.
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| Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH , USA.
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Kudos, Brian! Great idea, and you are definitely the one to put this into action! What kind of documentation are you going to require to back up the income claims? As a buyer of MANY WSOs over the years - a lot of great ones but also some real stinkers - I look forward to seeing this put into action! Melody |
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It's a wonderful idea but I'll only bite if you can show me with past clients that the incremental sales I'll make will cover the fee for the service. One client case study with proof will do... |
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Melody: Proof / documentation will depend on the claim being made. For example, if someone is claiming that they're making $5000 a month on ClickBank, they'd better have a ClickBank account and I would of course expect to see $5000+ in revenue. The more months that revenue exists, the better their verification will be presented. |
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Anthony / havplenty: Always a joker in every crowd! Seriously, on the sales page when I promise confidentiality I mean it. My wife hates it - but she'll never know from me all the juicy stories about people she knows. Glad to see your post. Your signature, promoting a WSO and making $1000 tonight, you could say my radar has been activated. |
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That is one reason I suggest that if someone is mulling over buying a WSO with questionable income claims that they make a post requesting that the seller get verified with a trusted third party. Doesn't have to be with me. The response should be telling. If 99 out of 100 sellers decline, everyone should just pass on that 99% and consider themselves lucky they saved a bundle of dough. | |
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About time someone did this. I'm sure we have all seen some WSO's that could never back their claims up. It will be interesting to see the sales on the WSO's that are the first to be verified.
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| HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US WA
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I like this idea...this can bring down refunds also...coz after all it will be a verified wso..which a lot of warriors can buy without searching out for reviews..
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Brian, i love the concept, i would love a Warrior Verify Logo, and a Logo of Some kind to put on top as i run several products as WSO'S and also to General Public. Like i have How To Hire Super Stars anytime, any place for any type of Job. I sell this for 197.00 out on the open market and 18.00 in warrior forum. Having a Verified Seal of Approval from a Top rated Attorney would be Wonderful. My only conern is the depth in which the Verify will be done, as in my case, i have hired over 90 superstars in the last 20 years with this same system. How could or would we verify that type of Claim? Thanks again, i love the concept. Regards, Robert Nelson |
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One thought that occurs to me is that even though you could verify income by looking at an affiliate statement or Pay Pal account, for instance, there is no way you could verify it was actually earned using the method the WSO is selling. The seller could be doing something entirely different to earn that income. So this still won't really verify that a claim is true.
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| Banned War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK and France
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Not really sure how you go about verifying the claims but its a certainly an interesting wso! If your only requiring screenshot proof as often loggin into someones account from your ip could cause them problems! But good luck and when a few warriors jump on this and get some sort of increase in conversions from there normal then im more than happy to jump in too. Tom Brite |
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| Holly Cotter War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Shady Side, MD, USA.
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Interesting idea. A seal with a link to an explanation of the verification process (to use on websites outside of the warrior forum) would be great. As for warriors using this service for wso's... I know your price is more than fair, but I don't think many warriors (especially those just starting out without a big following) would invest in the service... they'd have to recoup both the warrior posting fee AND your fee before they'd see any profit from their post. Just a thought. |
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| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Left Coast, USA
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Brilliant idea Brian! As a buyer, I'd love to see your service grow to the point where there was a sub-forum or a special character in the title for verified offers.
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I've already thought about these factors and they're non-issues. I could create a book filled with Warrior Forum threads showing posts where people find excuse after excuse not to do something. Those people are poor for a reason. If people are making the money they claim with something others can use to make similar money - then: 1 - They'll have no problem paying a fee. They could pay a forum fee of $500 and not blink because they know this is the place where they can make a lot more than that. Just look at this thread and throughout the forum. Find the posts where hundreds of Warriors have given me thanks and understand why. People are craving something like this. They will buy your product. 2 - No one has to pay my fee. Anyone could find another Warrior and say "Hey, will you vouch for me? Will you look at my account and put your Warrior and marketing reputation on the line and publicly confirm my numbers?" I have a unique position where I can offer a stronger statement, with confidentiality protections backed by my law license. Obviously, my fee comes nowhere close to covering my time. 3 - There's a reason I offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee. If someone has a good WSO that isn't making any money, perhaps being drowned out by the crap, and if adding my verification doesn't make them money, they can get a refund. 4 - If people are posting WSOs afraid of recouping a hundred bucks, they can always contact me to see if other arrangements are available. It could be a no money upfront and back-end payment by splitting WSO profits, a profit split after the seller has reached a number of sales, someone mowing my lawn for a year so I don't have to pay the landscapers, or whatever. The words "I can't" were banned from the Kindsvater household years ago. ! | |
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Kudos Brian, this is long overdue and one of the best ideas I've seen here. And of the many great people in this forum, your integrity and crediblity is right up at the top. I would have no hesitation trusting your word on proof of income claims - in fact, your verification would cause me to purchase a hell of a lot more WSO's than I do now. In fact, I think my new policy is... If Brian didn't verify it, I'm NOT buying it ![]() |
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| Hangin out at WF is Work War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge, Canada
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Brian, GREAT Idea, dont stop on this forum and be the next BBB Online for Internet Marketing. Grow this way for the whole IM industry everywhere.
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This is a super idea and I'd really love to see it take off. A complete bargain as well - particularly if people are earning what they say they are. It'll be interesting to see who can actually verify their earnings.
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Just an FYI...the point of the thread was NOT to imply that anyone making an income claim is a fraud. Rather that a lot (most I'd say) of people who do use income claims do so inappropriately. THAT SAID...This service is an AWESOME IDEA!!! | |
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Let me know if this Customized Badge grabs you for something you'd like to see: |
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Brian - I think it's a great idea for the WSO's with claims of $$$ or traffic or whatever the flavor of the day is. What happens when the person does earn what he says he earned - but it's from selling WSO's, not from the method the WSO is promoting? j/kkay |
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Kay, I'm surprised at your "I can't post." Sure, not everything is verifiable. One of my degrees is an accounting so I know the limitations of even a full-scale audit. If someone says they're making $100 from CPA offers, instead of looking at bank account deposits one confirms the CPA account - not their PayPal account. WSO sales are usually going to appear as identical amounts in a PayPal account, spiking over a certain period. It would be extremely obvious. (And there is a PayPal product identifier). Again, my approach to life is to find how to do something, now worry about a million 'what ifs'. Seriously, I don't want to see any more "what ifs" here. |
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could you please reply directly too the above question, i would appreciate it. This could truly be the one system that cleans up WSO'S and more importantly Gives a clean bill of health out to the General Public. Thanks in advance Regards, Robert Nelson | |
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I definitely love this verify concept. It would bring some sanity into IM. So much far fetch and unrealistic claims that cannot be substantiated. This could truely be the 'clean up' system....long awaited |
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Thanks Brian, I got my seal, letter with a very fast response time!!!! Look forward to use it on my WSO |
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