The ONLY SEO system you need to get your website ranked.

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by RuthBabe

I quoted the above from your opening thread...Is it possible to buy from you $20 or $50 worth of backlinks?

Hello Ruth,

Unfortunately, I'm afraid to tell you that it's not possible as it will not be a win-win situation for both ends.

What do I mean by that?

Simply put, it may be not enough to push a particular website with a few hundred backlinks, thus that is why we are catering it in their thousands.

One can see a signficant result through that, and not to mention a few months worth of wait.

mustafa

[MustafaKamal]

Happy twenty-o-ten!

To all our beloved forum members,

On behalf of the staff from 1stspotonlyinc. I would like to wish you an advanced happy new year!

Hopefully, this new year will benefit us all in terms of health, wealth, and not to mention, lesser challenges in the internet marketing world.

On the other hand, here's an update of our organisation so far.

With the website development expected to be fully function by the beginning of the new year, our newly found e-mail address will be enquiry[at]1stspotonly[dot]com

Therefore, the old gmail account of ours will be shut down, and we will migrate to the above mentioned by January 1st, 2010.

Please do not reach us on our gmail account as we have already shut it down.

Appreciate your visit in our WSO thread all these while, and may your goals and dreams be accomplished in the year ahead!

regards,
mustafa

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

This is interesting. eusof, Hafiz Zo, PPC Professor, and Google Lover all posted from the same IP address: 124.155.195.7

And chamie posted from 124.155.195.6

What are the odds, do you think?


Paul

Well, I didn't see enough clarification about this.

Paul, Do you mind explaining it to us (if it is possible) so we can understand?

Thanks

[staffelseo]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Well, I didn't see enough clarification about this.

Paul, Do you mind explaining it to us (if it is possible) so we can understand?

Thanks

It simply means all these digital personas / ID`s which have posted reviews in this thread are from one person only

- sorry to break it to you guys - but this thread has the most crap about seo in one place that I have seen in a long time

If anyone except the OP ( and his possibly really closely geolocated reviewers a.k.a himself truly) has seen any verifiable results
Which are from a reputed member please step forward

[MustafaKamal]

Hello Staffel,

Your comments caught my attention, first of all.

Allow me to clarify this issue, for the benefit of the general audience.

Originally Posted by staffelseo

It simply means all these digital personas / ID`s which have posted reviews in this thread are from one person only

As to my understanding, some posts made here are indeed from our staff within our office, using the same IP address. Comments, yes, but however, there is no way that the positive reviews are made by themselves one way or another.

Originally Posted by staffelseo

- sorry to break it to you guys - but this thread has the most crap about seo in one place that I have seen in a long time

I'm deeply fascinated by an extremely shallow comment you've made as there is no solid proof in claiming a thread to be 'crap'. Maybe you can justify your statement with evidences, with respect to that term. I simply want to know what's in your mind upon typing that out.

Originally Posted by staffelseo

If anyone except the OP ( and his possibly really closely geolocated reviewers a.k.a himself truly) has seen any verifiable results
Which are from a reputed member please step forward

I suggest you look into every single posting, and PM them (since you seem to be very free into making such a posting as of the above) in order to see whether are these people genuinely real, or not.

mustafa

[A Bary]

Originally Posted by MustafaKamal

Hello Staffel,

Your comments caught my attention, first of all.

Allow me to clarify this issue, for the benefit of the general audience.



As to my understanding, some posts made here are indeed from our staff within our office, using the same IP address. Comments, yes, but however, there is no way that the positive reviews are made by themselves one way or another.



I'm deeply fascinated by an extremely shallow comment you've made as there is no solid proof in claiming a thread to be 'crap'. Maybe you can justify your statement with evidences, with respect to that term. I simply want to know what's in your mind upon typing that out.



I suggest you look into every single posting, and PM them (since you seem to be very free into making such a posting as of the above) in order to see whether are these people genuinely real, or not.

mustafa

Sorry Mustafa, but who you think you're kidding??

The 4 names Paul mentioned (eusof, Hafiz, PPC Professor and Google Lover) are not acting as your office workers, they are posting as regular forum browsers, even one or 2 of them just described how your offer is amazing and how you deliver!!!
Is that what someone working with you shall post??

Sorry, but many red flags for me here....

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by goldmind123

Sorry Mustafa, but who you think you're kidding??

The 4 names Paul mentioned (eusof, Hafiz, PPC Professor and Google Lover) are not acting as your office workers, they are posting as regular forum browsers, even one or 2 of them just described how your offer is amazing and how you deliver!!!
Is that what someone working with you shall post??

Sorry, but many red flags for me here....

Hello sir,

There's no one to kid around, if you ask me.

I believe that each, and every individual has the right to post what's on their mind provided it's within ethical means.

Logically thinking, if a member request to an admin that he/she wishes to get rid of another member due to the negative feedbacks coming from the latter, should positive feedbacks be dismissed as well?

Educate me as I've much to learn from this forum.

mustafa

[ecash]

Originally Posted by melvinm

Hi Mustafa,

I was very very very disappointed with first report you sent, all that it is showing the change in rankings over time, it doesn't tell me anything about what you have actually done for my site.

The information you gave me can be produced at the click of a button and its also hard to associate your services to increase in rank because of other promotional efforts being done simultaneously.


Anybody have any thoughts?

Regards

Melvin

I used the service for one month and got the report from him. Basically like you said, it did not tell me anything. I searched on google and didn't find any new links or anything changed to my site. I emailed him but got the same response like the post he replied.

I decided to stop the service because I couldn't see anything had been done from them. If they did something, they should be able to provide a report stating what they had done. I am totally ok for get higher ranking in few months, but not ok with not knowing any progress and hoping the ranking will go up in few months.

[dseisner]

Out of the 12,240 links you promise in package A (which is quite a specific number), how many do you expect to deliver?

I ask this because I see on here that you don't provide submission reports. My notion is that you don't do this because you don't know how to keep track of how many links a client is getting and not because it's not as important as rankings (of course it's not, but that doesn't magically make proof of your work NOT important.)

MelvinM asked an interesting question and you responded to all of it except one very important point. If I am running 10 campaigns at once, and your service is only one of those campaigns, then how do we know that your service is not just piggybacking the efforts of those other campaigns if we don't have the reports to see? Basically, if you don't even tell us what you're doing, and a massive influx of backlinks isn't noticeable, how do we know you did anything and that your service is responsible for the rankings?

Surely some of your clients have their rankings stay the same or decline. How can you substitute a rankings report for a submission report in that case? It's almost the same as providing a report that says you did nothing or did something harmful.

Your answers to these questions will most likely determine whether or not I become a subscriber.

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by dseisner

Out of the 12,240 links you promise in package A (which is quite a specific number), how many do you expect to deliver?

I ask this because I see on here that you don't provide submission reports. My notion is that you don't do this because you don't know how to keep track of how many links a client is getting and not because it's not as important as rankings (of course it's not, but that doesn't magically make proof of your work NOT important.)

MelvinM asked an interesting question and you responded to all of it except one very important point. If I am running 10 campaigns at once, and your service is only one of those campaigns, then how do we know that your service is not just piggybacking the efforts of those other campaigns if we don't have the reports to see? Basically, if you don't even tell us what you're doing, and a massive influx of backlinks isn't noticeable, how do we know you did anything and that your service is responsible for the rankings?

Surely some of your clients have their rankings stay the same or decline. How can you substitute a rankings report for a submission report in that case? It's almost the same as providing a report that says you did nothing or did something harmful.

Your answers to these questions will most likely determine whether or not I become a subscriber.

Hello dseisner,

I appreciate your comments, first of all.

Allow me to answer to your questions based on a sequential order.

1. The backlinks stated in each, and every individual packets are obtained from our own calculations upon submission of the articles on FTS (freetrafficsystem). We use FTS as a basis to get that figure, and not some random figures coming from any other Tom, Dick, or Harry.

Moreover, we are confident that the numbers are more than what is being mentioned on the WSO as not only we are using FTS, but AMA (article marketing automation), UAW (unique article wizard), and MAS (mass article submitter) to add value on top of it all.

2. I feel that when it comes to the 'piggybacking' theory, I'll be brutally honest that it is tough to justify, as from where is it coming from. If we can tag every single link, put a label on it, mentioning that it's from our effort, we'll definitely do that. However, that will be ridiculously absurd, don't you think so? (Moreover, illogical)

As I've mentioned earlier, what we have been doing are basically massive amount of article submissions. As simple as that.

How can one determine the fruits of our labor?

a) Install google web analytics
b) Check on yahoo site explorer (which I believe that a knowledagble internet marketer ought to know that it doesn't determine the exact amount of backlinks)

Yes, we have indeed humbled ourselves with the feedbacks we have received. The next non-time consuming step we are looking at are screenshot proofs of the articles being submitted.

As much proofs as we can give, an individual can simply proclaim or better yet, blackmail in a sense whereby that, "Oh, I have yet to see results. So, I want my money back, etc" when they are only with us for like, a month? Knowing the fact that any other knowledgable internet marketer is aware that it will take months to see results.

3. I won't say that we are substituting submission report with a ranking report. As we believe that an average layman only wants to know at the end of the day is, "How's my ranking? Are my rankings up? Yes or No?".

A simple analogy will be like this,

A salesman is selling a vacuum cleaner to an old lady.

He tells her every single detail of that vacuum cleaner, from the functionalities right down to it's suction power.

After explaining it to her for almost an hour, the salesman asked her whether she has any questions, knowing that he has explained every single detail of it.

That old lady just shakes her head, and ask him only one question, before making up her mind.

"Young man, my concern is, can this machine help me in my house cleaning?"

Hope we can all reflect on that.

[dseisner]

Originally Posted by MustafaKamal

Hello dseisner,

I appreciate your comments, first of all.

Allow me to answer to your questions based on a sequential order.

1. The backlinks stated in each, and every individual packets are obtained from our own calculations upon submission of the articles on FTS (freetrafficsystem). We use FTS as a basis to get that figure, and not some random figures coming from any other Tom, Dick, or Harry.

Moreover, we are confident that the numbers are more than what is being mentioned on the WSO as not only we are using FTS, but AMA (article marketing automation), UAW (unique article wizard), and MAS (mass article submitter) to add value on top of it all.

2. I feel that when it comes to the 'piggybacking' theory, I'll be brutally honest that it is tough to justify, as from where is it coming from. If we can tag every single link, put a label on it, mentioning that it's from our effort, we'll definitely do that. However, that will be ridiculously absurd, don't you think so? (Moreover, illogical)

As I've mentioned earlier, what we have been doing are basically massive amount of article submissions. As simple as that.

How can one determine the fruits of our labor?

a) Install google web analytics
b) Check on yahoo site explorer (which I believe that a knowledagble internet marketer ought to know that it doesn't determine the exact amount of backlinks)

Yes, we have indeed humbled ourselves with the feedbacks we have received. The next non-time consuming step we are looking at are screenshot proofs of the articles being submitted.

As much proofs as we can give, an individual can simply proclaim or better yet, blackmail in a sense whereby that, "Oh, I have yet to see results. So, I want my money back, etc" when they are only with us for like, a month? Knowing the fact that any other knowledgable internet marketer is aware that it will take months to see results.

3. I won't say that we are substituting submission report with a ranking report. As we believe that an average layman only wants to know at the end of the day is, "How's my ranking? Are my rankings up? Yes or No?".

A simple analogy will be like this,

A salesman is selling a vacuum cleaner to an old lady.

He tells her every single detail of that vacuum cleaner, from the functionalities right down to it's suction power.

After explaining it to her for almost an hour, the salesman asked her whether she has any questions, knowing that he has explained every single detail of it.

That old lady just shakes her head, and ask him only one question, before making up her mind.

"Young man, my concern is, can this machine help me in my house cleaning?"

Hope we can all reflect on that.

Only thing wrong with that analogy is that this is being sold on the warrior forum and there are a lot of experienced marketers on here who want to know more than whether or not this service will "help with my house cleaning?" But I see your point.

Anyway, it's was a nice effort to answer all those questions. I think my decision will come soon to try this out. It is ridiculously cheap for a massive amount of links. Based on what I am doing now, if you actually build 12,000+ links in a month, it should be very noticeable on Yahoo SE. If not, then I'd say the links are not being made. Because YSE doesn't report all of them but it does report a % and since these are on blogs, they will all be pinged automatically so there should logically be a % increase in the amount of recognized links by YSE and other tools. Just my 2 cents.

[ecash]

Originally Posted by dseisner

Only thing wrong with that analogy is that this is being sold on the warrior forum and there are a lot of experienced marketers on here who want to know more than whether or not this service will "help with my house cleaning?" But I see your point.

Anyway, it's was a nice effort to answer all those questions. I think my decision will come soon to try this out. It is ridiculously cheap for a massive amount of links. Based on what I am doing now, if you actually build 12,000+ links in a month, it should be very noticeable on Yahoo SE. If not, then I'd say the links are not being made. Because YSE doesn't report all of them but it does report a % and since these are on blogs, they will all be pinged automatically so there should logically be a % increase in the amount of recognized links by YSE and other tools. Just my 2 cents.

I was on the program for a month and did not see any new backlinks to my site. I understand the PR of my site will not improve that much in one month, but not seeing any new backlinks for what they claimed of building 12,000+ links in one month?

The response from them was not acceptable for me. I still have not seen any new backlinks to my site yet and it has been more than a month. If they can provide me a report of all the backlinks they did and I can verify them, that'll be no issue for me. However, nothing was provided.

BTW, I never asked for refund although I should have. Other customers might have different results from them, but I am certainly not one of them.

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by dseisner

Only thing wrong with that analogy is that this is being sold on the warrior forum and there are a lot of experienced marketers on here who want to know more than whether or not this service will "help with my house cleaning?" But I see your point.

Anyway, it's was a nice effort to answer all those questions. I think my decision will come soon to try this out. It is ridiculously cheap for a massive amount of links. Based on what I am doing now, if you actually build 12,000+ links in a month, it should be very noticeable on Yahoo SE. If not, then I'd say the links are not being made. Because YSE doesn't report all of them but it does report a % and since these are on blogs, they will all be pinged automatically so there should logically be a % increase in the amount of recognized links by YSE and other tools. Just my 2 cents.

Hello dseisner,

It was my pleasure to have clear things out on your end.

Moreover, I am indeed humbled by your opinion on Yahoo Site explorer.

Based on my personal experience, it will again take about 3 months before I've seen some changes on YSE with a personal campaign of mine. That I have no issues as to me, all that matter is, the rankings.

Once again, I appreciate your input.

mustafa

[Fish-Oil-pills]

I think it is important to point out that one article (at least those that have turned up for me in the backlinks checks) had three links with the anchor text in them.

So you may be getting 6 links but not 6 articles. (am I right in this Mustafa)

I am sure some work is being done to build links because thus far I have seen a couple of articles turn up when I do a backlinks check.

However, I do admit I have a slight problem with "the just trust me the work is being done " approach. And the report that was sent was a waste of time because I could easily check the ranking of my site for a given keyword using any of the free seo plugins around

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by Fish-Oil-pills.com

I think it is important to point out that one article (at least those that have turned up for me in the backlinks checks) had three links with the anchor text in them.

So you may be getting 6 links but not 6 articles. (am I right in this Mustafa)

I am sure some work is being done to build links because thus far I have seen a couple of articles turn up when I do a backlinks check.

However, I do admit I have a slight problem with "the just trust me the work is being done " approach. And the report that was sent was a waste of time because I could easily check the ranking of my site for a given keyword using any of the free seo plugins around

Hello Fish-Oil-pills,

Appreciate your input first of all.

Allow to me explain how one article has three links anchor text on them.

Basically, that's how freetrafficsystem works (you might want to check out their website, and register to try it out. It has a free trial, just so you know).

Truthfully, you only need just one article to churn up to an estimated number of 514 backlinks, minimum, on that platform, based on the various blog and article directories being posted.

On the other hand, "the-just-trust-me-that-the-work-has-been-done" approach is not what seems. As I have explained it earlier, and many other times, we send ranking reports and that's about it.

Moreover, we've advised all of our members to take advantage of the free SEO plug-ins to look at the rankings status themselves, as we ourselves are using it all these while due to it's effectiveness. The ranking report was indeed a supplement on top of it.

mustafa

[Fish-Oil-pills]

Mustafa

Yeah - I know how FTS works - I just wanted to point out to people that 12,000 links for example doesn't mean 12000 articles (in case they were not aware)

Whilst I applaud your efforts to answer questions and when we signed up for this service we knew we wouldn't get a report, I can't say that your answers to concerns are comforting (no matter how many times you have said them on the board)

I can't help but think that your service could be enhanced by people actually knowing that the work is being done particularly in light of the fact that backlinks can take a long time to show up in serps.

You said earlier that package B in Nov was 80 articles. Ok- fine - How would a client know that you are not doing just 15 articles or 20.

Even if you did 79 articles - the client would be shortchanged and not have a clue that he was ( no matter how many plugins we install or how many FTS videos we watch)

This is what I meant by "just trust us the work is being done" mentality that you are asking customers to accept.

By giving us the article titles, for example, we could perhaps do a search ourselves by putting the title in quotes and seeing what turns up. That would be a start I think

You run your business the way you see fit - obviously. But this is just my 2 cents as a customer

[melvinm]

Hi All,

This is an update on one of my previous postings. I have been with Mustafa's program for two months for two sites, one packet A and one packet B, thats 110+163= 273/ month.

I have one philosophy in business, if you can't measure it, don't do it. After one month of subscription I get this email about getting reduced number of links for the money I am paying... contrary to the initial agreement... speak about honoring your agreement....

I posted both in this thread about the monthly report which is not even worth looking at and also flicked a personal email about the same. posted below is the reply to the email.

Hello Melvin,

Mustafa here.

I believe that I have already explained that issue in your e-mail and on our WSO thread. Do check it.

At the same time, do get back to me on 1stspotonly@gmail.com if you have further heart burning desire issues you want to bring out.

mustafa

I am used to dealing with business partners who are professional and who follow through on the commitments. To date I have no idea what this service has done for me, since I use angelas pack, pauls pack, social bot,blog commenting,forum posting and senuke to a lesser extend.


Now for the results,

To site one example:

I was on Google 9 for a keyword, 12000 links (packet A) later it has moved to google 8? I will let you do the maths.


I have canceled both of my subscription.

Now I know that SEO is a long term goal, but I have no faith in putting money in a service whose performance I cant' measure, gets emails like above and still continue to pump in around $270 dollars a month.

So Mustafa I guess we will have to call it quits or how about doing things the right way and cleaning things up a little bit?


Cheers
Melvin

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by Fish-Oil-pills.com

Mustafa

Yeah - I know how FTS works - I just wanted to point out to people that 12,000 links for example doesn't mean 12000 articles (in case they were not aware)

Whilst I applaud your efforts to answer questions and when we signed up for this service we knew we wouldn't get a report, I can't say that your answers to concerns are comforting (no matter how many times you have said them on the board)

I can't help but think that your service could be enhanced by people actually knowing that the work is being done particularly in light of the fact that backlinks can take a long time to show up in serps.

You said earlier that package B in Nov was 80 articles. Ok- fine - How would a client know that you are not doing just 15 articles or 20.

Even if you did 79 articles - the client would be shortchanged and not have a clue that he was ( no matter how many plugins we install or how many FTS videos we watch)

This is what I meant by "just trust us the work is being done" mentality that you are asking customers to accept.

By giving us the article titles, for example, we could perhaps do a search ourselves by putting the title in quotes and seeing what turns up. That would be a start I think

You run your business the way you see fit - obviously. But this is just my 2 cents as a customer

Hello fish-oil-pills,

I appreciate your honest feedback on how do you think we can be better, and I will definitely look into this matter again in order to be better in terms of exercising transparency.

Once again, my sincere thanks.

mustafa

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by melvinm

Hi All,

This is an update on one of my previous postings. I have been with Mustafa's program for two months for two sites, one packet A and one packet B, thats 110+163= 273/ month.

I have one philosophy in business, if you can't measure it, don't do it. After one month of subscription I get this email about getting reduced number of links for the money I am paying... contrary to the initial agreement... speak about honoring your agreement....

I posted both in this thread about the monthly report which is not even worth looking at and also flicked a personal email about the same. posted below is the reply to the email.

Hello Melvin,

Mustafa here.

I believe that I have already explained that issue in your e-mail and on our WSO thread. Do check it.

At the same time, do get back to me on 1stspotonly@gmail.com if you have further heart burning desire issues you want to bring out.

mustafa

I am used to dealing with business partners who are professional and who follow through on the commitments. To date I have no idea what this service has done for me, since I use angelas pack, pauls pack, social bot,blog commenting,forum posting and senuke to a lesser extend.


Now for the results,

To site one example:

I was on Google 9 for a keyword, 12000 links (packet A) later it has moved to google 8? I will let you do the maths.


I have canceled both of my subscription.

Now I know that SEO is a long term goal, but I have no faith in putting money in a service whose performance I cant' measure, gets emails like above and still continue to pump in around $270 dollars a month.

So Mustafa I guess we will have to call it quits or how about doing things the right way and cleaning things up a little bit?


Cheers
Melvin

Hello Melvin,

I truly appreciate your input first of all.

Firstly, I will indeed take the blame where we mentioned that the number of backlinks has fallen, parallel with the number of articles we are submitting currently.

Why is this so?

This is due to the fact that the price for every single unique article has risen up, and our operations department heavily really on them. Hence, it leads us to no choice in this unforeseen circumstances, but to stretch every single unique article to it's fullest in order to avoid a lost in revenue.

I believe that every other businesses out there has it's setbacks initially, and I'm not surprised that it will make a detrimentive impact on how the members view us, right now.

Secondly, in my honest opinion, I feel that there's a lack of maturity when it comes to revealing to the general public of what was being conversed about between the consumer and the service provider itself.

In my personal observation, you have enquired about what's happening (from the forums to the e-mails), and I've indeed answered to the best of my capabilities. I can feel that there's a major dissatisfaction on your end, and at the same time, how much can the results show when you are only been with us for a matter of two months?

I have made my stand, and I will make it once again that there isn't a need to know every single backlink, and check it thoroughly inside out, when all a person needs to know, is their rankings before and after our service. As simple as that.

There's nothing else to clear things up, and like I've said, the task was done, and you have indeed gotten what you've seek for in the first place. To boost your rankings.

Originally Posted by melvinm

To site one example: I was on Google 9 for a keyword, 12000 links (packet A) later it has moved to google 8? I will let you do the maths.

mustafa

[ecash]

Originally Posted by melvinm

Hi All,

This is an update on one of my previous postings. I have been with Mustafa's program for two months for two sites, one packet A and one packet B, thats 110+163= 273/ month.

I have one philosophy in business, if you can't measure it, don't do it. After one month of subscription I get this email about getting reduced number of links for the money I am paying... contrary to the initial agreement... speak about honoring your agreement....

I posted both in this thread about the monthly report which is not even worth looking at and also flicked a personal email about the same. posted below is the reply to the email.

Hello Melvin,

Mustafa here.

I believe that I have already explained that issue in your e-mail and on our WSO thread. Do check it.

At the same time, do get back to me on 1stspotonly@gmail.com if you have further heart burning desire issues you want to bring out.

mustafa

I am used to dealing with business partners who are professional and who follow through on the commitments. To date I have no idea what this service has done for me, since I use angelas pack, pauls pack, social bot,blog commenting,forum posting and senuke to a lesser extend.


Now for the results,

To site one example:

I was on Google 9 for a keyword, 12000 links (packet A) later it has moved to google 8? I will let you do the maths.


I have canceled both of my subscription.

Now I know that SEO is a long term goal, but I have no faith in putting money in a service whose performance I cant' measure, gets emails like above and still continue to pump in around $270 dollars a month.

So Mustafa I guess we will have to call it quits or how about doing things the right way and cleaning things up a little bit?


Cheers
Melvin

Exactly same experience from me. I did cancel my service too. Their report is basically useless. They might have done some work for me but there is no way for me to check them out.

So, for those of you who have the patience to wait for 5 or 6 months as they said, go for it. But, still there is no guarantee after 5 or 6 months you will see any results. I can't pay hundreds of dollars a month to wait a report like that every month and cross my fingers that my site will improve in the ranking for not knowing what they have done.

BTW, they will charge you $80 if you ask them to dig out what they did for you which was supposed to be part of the report in the first place.

[TheDebtEliminator]

Hello Mustafa,

I will send you a PM with several questions

Best Regards

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by TheDebtEliminator

Hello Mustafa,

I will send you a PM with several questions

Best Regards

Hello,

PM received.

mustafa

[dseisner]

Mustafa,

I'm going to check back here periodically to see if you've updated your service to include proof of your work. Until then, I will hold off on purchasing because people have said they haven't seen backlinks showing up within a month or two.

Just so you know, and you can try this out for yourself, I pay $.08 a link or less from JoeUltraSEOSolutions for blog comments, which I find an extremely good deal. Within 7 days of ordering the service, YSE was showing MORE links than I ordered. I checked, and some were duplicates from the same website, but still, I could see an immediate spike. And I know still, that most of them have not been cached. But the thing about blog links is that they should show up fast because blogs ping automatically when updated. If you're placing 12,000 links in a month and there is no noticeable increase, something is up.

Bottom line: if your service is legitimate and you can prove it, you can have one of the biggest backlink services on the internet. $.01 for a link is incredible. If you can't prove that your service is legitimate, you will probably only have a fraction of the business. In all honesty, I am looking forward to the day you make that critical change so I can spend $115 with you.

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by dseisner

Mustafa,

I'm going to check back here periodically to see if you've updated your service to include proof of your work. Until then, I will hold off on purchasing because people have said they haven't seen backlinks showing up within a month or two.

Just so you know, and you can try this out for yourself, I pay $.08 a link or less from JoeUltraSEOSolutions for blog comments, which I find an extremely good deal. Within 7 days of ordering the service, YSE was showing MORE links than I ordered. I checked, and some were duplicates from the same website, but still, I could see an immediate spike. And I know still, that most of them have not been cached. But the thing about blog links is that they should show up fast because blogs ping automatically when updated. If you're placing 12,000 links in a month and there is no noticeable increase, something is up.

Bottom line: if your service is legitimate and you can prove it, you can have one of the biggest backlink services on the internet. $.01 for a link is incredible. If you can't prove that your service is legitimate, you will probably only have a fraction of the business. In all honesty, I am looking forward to the day you make that critical change so I can spend $115 with you.

Hello Dseisner,

I appreciate your vital feedback on this, and we will evaluate the outcome to serve our members, and potential prospects better.

Once again, thank you.

mustafa

[dmstewart]

A very long and interesting thread. In case it may be of interest to any members, here are my experiences on services related to FTS marketed in this thread.

I set up a new website (wowhorses DOT com) in June and started article marketing in September. Used ezinearticles, isnare, UAW and AMA.

Ezine, Buzzle and so on are among the top tier of article marketing websites. However, you only get one link from them, which is of limited value (after all, if all you need to do is invest an hour to write and article and submit it, how much do you think Google will credit it). If your article is of great interest on a popular subject (better yet, if it is funny) it may be republished on other websites but for most high quality articles the amount of republishing is 0-5 other websites. Of course, you also have the exception of someone who gets a lot of republishing (e.g. first to write an interesting article on a new topic of wide interest) but in general the amount of republishing is very low. Bottom line, limited value in most cases.

Experimented with ISNARE, which is an article distribution system. For about $2/article they will distribute your article to many other article websites. Got a lot of links through this, although due to Google removing duplicates only about 40 links/article. However, for $2 I'm not complaining.

Invested in UAW and AMA. This services are similar to ISNARE except:
- Monthly fee instead of a per-article fee. So if you write a lot of articles they are cheaper but if you write only a few they are more expensive.
- They require you to 'spin' your articles. This means that you rewrite parts of the text so that each paragraph (or sentence or however you choose to do it) has multiple versions, which are then randomly recombined when the articles are sent out. The logic is that this reduces the 'duplicate content' as each version is unique and consequently more of the links are retained. I included a unique phrase in each version so that I could track results and my experience is that Google seems to be able to spot there the content is not unique (even if it is SPUN) as I got a large number of links (hundreds) but most of them were seen as duplicates (resulting in tens of links retained). So, great theory but in my experience limited success.
- UAW uses a mix of article directories, blogs, EMAIL lists. AMA uses blogs. AMA allows links withing the article whereas UAW only allows a signature.

I created about 20 articles, each focused on a keyword of interest, some linking to home page, some linking to internal pages corresponding to the article keyword.

At the end of the day, I ended up with close to 1000 websites linking in (multiple links per website), pretty much all low quality. I'm on page 3 for a pretty competitive keyword, pages 1 and 2 for less competitive. So, a fair bit of work and a moderate financial investment. For people using low-competitive keywords, I expect they would have more success. Also, as the blogs are low quality, I expect that many of them will go the way of low-quality blogs (i.e. eventually discontinued) and the associated link will also disappear. So, I expect to lose some of the value in this way.

One of the reasons that I discontinued these services is they they keep submitting to the same article directories and blogs. I write an article and it gets submitted to 400 websites, but the 2nd article goes to the same list, the 3rd to the same list and so on. So have 20 articles and thus 20 links from each website, covering every one of my keyword phrases. With 20 links from a website, I can't see that adding another 20 or another 100 links from the same website is going to do me much more good, so stopped.

Consequently, my view is that such services are more appropriate for low-competitive keywords than high-competitive. Also, that it may be worthwhile as part of a broader SEO campaign but may not be adequate on its own.

I tracked performance in two ways. One was the yahoo LINK:www.mydomain.com command which showed new links (these started showing up in days, and continued to appear over weeks). The other was to put a fictious name or unique phrase for each article and then do a google search with this in quotes (started showing up in a day to two, with almost all results showing up within a couple of weeks). I mention these because there are many posts on this thread asking how to track results, so I suggest this simple method as a way to do so.

The service offered in this thread is based on article marketing but differs from the above in a few important ways:
- They write and spin the articles for you, saving a lot of time
- They presumeably have a bulk subscription for the various services, which is more economic than an individual subscribing to each

On this basis, it looks like an economic solution for article distribution, in money and certainly in time. However, as the solution is partly pased on UAW/AMA and partly on similar services (FTS), I would tend to think that the results will be similar to my observations above. However, I'm hoping that someone can tell me where my logic is flawed and that this service is much more effective than the services I've used, in which case I will be very pleased to have found a more effective approach.

Comments anyone?

[Fish-Oil-pills]

DmStewart - I am reasonably sure most people know how to track articles. The "link:www.yourdomain" is pretty standard practice and is nothing novel as well as using dummy names.

The problem with the above tracking method is (a) links take a while to show up in SERPs) and (b) we don't write the article and don't know the titles nor the authors.

The issue here is one of transparency. Since it can take time for ranking to improve and in light of the fact that people also do their own Seo and article marketing - it is important to know that the work is being done.

[dmstewart]

Thank you for the feedback, Fish-Oil-Pills. Perhaps my points were unclear, despite my best efforts, so I will try and improve here.

1) My point on link:www.mydomain.com wasn't to tell people about the command (I realise that this is well known) but that the results start showing up within days. Consequently, earlier posts in this thread indicating that results are not showing up even after weeks or even months appears strange. Especially so since I used similar tools (e.g. UAW and AMA)

2) Tools like UAW allow one to choose the author for each article. So, if one is allow to specify an author name which is unique, it makes tracking very easy. For example, I choose 'Duber Stewart' as an author name and then do a google search on this in quotes; I got zero results prior to submitting articles so I knew that any subsequent searches on this term would yield only the results of my article submissions. This is one way to ensure transparency.

3) None of this is rocket science. However, given the number of posts in this thread about transparency and how to track results, I thought a couple of basic observations might be of interest.

4) In any case, the main part of my post was to convey my experiences and beliefs in terms of where this type of SEO can be effective and what type of results one might experience.

[Fish-Oil-pills]

Originally Posted by dmstewart

Thank you for the feedback, Fish-Oil-Pills. Perhaps my points were unclear, despite my best efforts, so I will try and improve here.

1) My point on link:www.mydomain.com wasn't to tell people about the command (I realise that this is well known) but that the results start showing up within days. Consequently, earlier posts in this thread indicating that results are not showing up even after weeks or even months appears strange. Especially so since I used similar tools (e.g. UAW and AMA)

2) Tools like UAW allow one to choose the author for each article. So, if one is allow to specify an author name which is unique, it makes tracking very easy. For example, I choose 'Duber Stewart' as an author name and then do a google search on this in quotes; I got zero results prior to submitting articles so I knew that any subsequent searches on this term would yield only the results of my article submissions. This is one way to ensure transparency.

3) None of this is rocket science. However, given the number of posts in this thread about transparency and how to track results, I thought a couple of basic observations might be of interest.

4) In any case, the main part of my post was to convey my experiences and beliefs in terms of where this type of SEO can be effective and what type of results one might experience.

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I appreciate your comments Stewart. It will be interesting to see what Mustafa comes up with because like I said before we dont have access to the title of the articles nor the author names - so that makes tracking more difficult.

My experience with backlinking is that some might show up within a few days but the majority don't show up in such a short time frame. I am talking about Article marketing to directories like Ezinearticles etc

Maybe with blog posting - it is shows up quicker because such posts are are automatically pinged.

But my point is that the link:www.domain.com" may not be a fair reflection of the work done.

When I use the link command - only one of Mustafa's article shows up in Google. But when I use a backlink checker using one of the free tools that abound on the net - 4 or 5 of Mustafa's articles show up. This is after almost 2 months into the service.

But I take your point - several weeks and nothing showing is stretching things.

Mustafa has promised to look into the matter and lets see if does more than just "look into it"

[GnuLoCo]

Originally Posted by Fish-Oil-pills.com

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But I take your point - several weeks and nothing showing is stretching things.

Mustafa has promised to look into the matter and lets see if does more than just "look into it"

I have purchased Packet A for one month. The site and keyword I have chosen for them to work with is highly relative and already listed on bing in the 17th spot for that keyword. If I do not see any changes in position or relative articles posted I will have to discontinue service. I'm hoping this is an opportunity for them to vindicate themselves. The Keyword has only 280,000 results and is hugely niche. In fact competition is light.

I will report back with results.

[GnuLoCo]

I also failed to mention the website's code is completely validated as XHTML 1.0 Transitional and primed for this keyword.

[John W.G.]

this looks pretty good.

here's my question:

will my links be on profile pages with other people's links who you are performing this service for or will these be on new profile accounts so only my links will be there?

thanks,
John

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by John W.G.

this looks pretty good.

here's my question:

will my links be on profile pages with other people's links who you are performing this service for or will these be on new profile accounts so only my links will be there?

thanks,
John

Hello John,

Thanks for the compliment.

The database of each and every single one of our members are stored seperately as we exercise confidential information.

I'm thinking that the profile pages you are referring to has something to do with the backlinking, yes?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

mustafa

[John W.G.]

Mustafa,

thank you for replying, I actually got this confused with another wso.

My bad

John

Originally Posted by MustafaKamal

Hello John,

Thanks for the compliment.

The database of each and every single one of our members are stored seperately as we exercise confidential information.

I'm thinking that the profile pages you are referring to has something to do with the backlinking, yes?

Correct me if i'm wrong.

mustafa

[Daniel Tan]

Mustafa,

In actual fact, FTS has a reporting system where you can see the articles being submitted through the system. Just go to Stats > Dropdown select Articles. I think if you can compile a report using that it will be great. At least it shows your team is writing articles.

Anyway, Mustafa's service is genuine and I experienced ranking increase after about 2 months. I only subscribed for the first month. Rank starts to show the second month.

Daniel

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by Daniel Tan

Mustafa,

In actual fact, FTS has a reporting system where you can see the articles being submitted through the system. Just go to Stats > Dropdown select Articles. I think if you can compile a report using that it will be great. At least it shows your team is writing articles.

Anyway, Mustafa's service is genuine and I experienced ranking increase after about 2 months. I only subscribed for the first month. Rank starts to show the second month.

Daniel

Thank you Daniel. You are indeed, a god sent.

We can provide screenshots, that's the most, for now.

Again, compiling everything into a detailed report for each individual partners that we served is a bit too far-fetched for our staff. No doubt.

Appreciate it once again.

mustafa

[MustafaKamal]

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[MustafaKamal]

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[meerawatts]

Hi Mustafa,

I took your service for one of my site which was sand boxed due to technical fault in the website. When I took your service my site was at 500+ position and was showing 362 back links in yahoo explorer and having pagerank 2. Originally my site was 50+ position.

I took one month 12,420 links service and paid $115. After one and half month my site is pagerank 1 with 471 links (maybe big G has changed some formula for page rank). My site is at 99 position now. I have not got any mail from your side for completion or showing any screen shots of actual submissions or any sort of report. I am not sure how long it will take the links to be indexed but as of now I can see only 100+ back links for $115.

Meera

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by meerawatts

Hi Mustafa,

I took your service for one of my site which was sand boxed due to technical fault in the website. When I took your service my site was at 500+ position and was showing 362 back links in yahoo explorer and having pagerank 2. Originally my site was 50+ position.

I took one month 12,420 links service and paid $115. After one and half month my site is pagerank 1 with 471 links (maybe big G has changed some formula for page rank). My site is at 99 position now. I have not got any mail from your side for completion or showing any screen shots of actual submissions or any sort of report. I am not sure how long it will take the links to be indexed but as of now I can see only 100+ back links for $115.

Meera

Hello Meera,

Appreciate the fact that you wrote in.

Firstly, I must emphasize that there is no such backlink checker which can be found on the internet that says the exact amount of backlinks.

(please view the videos I've placed in throughout the WSO).

Moreover, the time we gave is an estimated timing. We can never know that as I'm typing in this reply, your competitors are vigorously building backlinks to their websites.

In conclusion, the screenshot reports will take on effect starting from 1st March 2010 onwards. Do exercise patience as we are currently re-arranging our management team.

regards,
mustafa

[MustafaKamal]

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So do look out for it in our WSO, and I hope to hear from every single one of you, soon.

Regards,
mustafa

[MustafaKamal]

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[netgain1]

Sent you an email with profile to quote

Thanks

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by netgain1

Sent you an email with profile to quote

Thanks

E-mail received and replied

mustafa

[hotresidualincome]

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[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by hotresidualincome

Hi can you pm me please

i buy the package A 2 day ago and i send my detail email but not receive any response thank

Hello hotresidualincome,

I've already PM-ed you

mustafa

[knowing25]

This is very nice offer i thinks, i just sent you PM about my plan before buying this package...

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by knowing25

This is very nice offer i thinks, i just sent you PM about my plan before buying this package...

Hello knowing,

I'd appreciate your compliment. Pm replied.

warmest regards,
mustafa

[littlephoenix]

i dont think its worth it, the only way you will be on top of google is with hard work you put in yourself, with quality backlinks from high PR sites and a well balanced site, full of pages, not to mention your site has to be many years old and well marinated.

[MustafaKamal]

Originally Posted by littlephoenix

i dont think its worth it, the only way you will be on top of google is with hard work you put in yourself, with quality backlinks from high PR sites and a well balanced site, full of pages, not to mention your site has to be many years old and well marinated.

Hello littlephoenix,

I'm very glad to hear your take on getting websites to the top of google.

To each man (or woman) has his or her own stand when it comes to building backlinks (the white hat way).

There is no definite and specific answer to it.

Cause at the end of the day, it's all about the results of getting the website ranked, don't you think so?

mustafa

[Magix]

what additional payment would it take for you to document all links build without losing money for the required increased work load?

Maybe you could offer this as an option for all those who need some "proof"?