OFFER ENDED

[cherylwright]

Hi Matt,

You are quite right - I totally forgot about the hosting because I didn't need it. That said, it's not widely advertised anywhere on the site that hosting is available. (In fact, I'm not sure it's advertised at all?)

I'm sure this site will work for some, but it didn't work for me, and I saw no return whatsoever for the money, time, and effort I'd invested.

If Dan hadn't been making promises all the time and not keeping them, I may have stuck this out for several more months.

The hosting was not something of interest, and in my opinion, was one of the few things of value in the site. There may be more items there now, but we are only talking a week or two since I left the site, so there would have to have been a lot of work put in to make dramatic improvements.

As a side note, hosting is not something I would jump into with a membership site. If you cancel your membership, you lose your hosting. I do have hosting through one site I'm a member of, but I plan to never leave that site.

As I said earlier, this didn't work for me, many other resellers are also unhappy, but if it works for you, go for it.

I really hope it does work out for those who make the investment, but after six months of absolutely no return, I feel I was quite within my rights - and even obligated - to say what I've said.

I have invested a lot of money into my IM business over the years, and this is truly the ONLY investment I've ever made where I've made a loss, rather than any sort of return.




Cheryl

[cherylwright]

Originally Posted by kennethtang

Cheryl, I'd suggest giving it another chance. Explore both the old and the new site, and see if it doesn't stimulate some creative ideas for promoting it. If you still don't feel good about it, you can still go ahead with the refund. Just a thought :-)

Hi Kenneth,

Yes, did all that. Explored both old and new, and wasn't impressed.

The site is meant to help people earn a living but there's no direction of how to do that.

Ah well, you live and learn. I now know what to look for when I am considering investing in a reseller license.

Value to my site visitors and subscribers is my #1 priority.




Cheryl

[D Ambrose]

Hi Cheryl,

Like I said before, HUNDREDS of resellers are making an absolute KILLING each month through the new membership site (as well as the One Time Offers which earn them an extra $97 INSTANTLY). For example, one woman last month sold 8 OTOs earning a nice sum of $776 (minus PayPal fees). Now even if she never, ever promoted again - she's already well over $700 in profit from buying this WSO.

You weren't happy for different reasons, and for that I'm sorry - However there are many, many, MANY resellers and members who are INCREDIBLY happy - and it makes this whole thing worth it.

If I have learned anything over the past 6 months, it's communication is key. Back in the early days, SO many people (including you) were impressed by my communication skills, and the speed of my replies.

However as the site got bigger and bigger as more and more were added to it (article directory, blogs, videos and yes HOSTING along with much more) - my communication level unfortunately suffered.

The good news is that now everything is in place, my communication is back on top and I'm getting feedback from members such as:

"if you can continue the kind of dedication you've shown in running this program, I'd stick around for 11 years too"

"Anyway, I'm planning on sticking around for the long haul."

"This is by far the greatest membership site I have ever been a member of - and that's a lot!"

"...this is the new generation of membership sites"

and funny enough...

"is there a reseller program for this site because I am so impressed with it, I want to tell people about it"

Also, there's one other thing I wanted to ask you... and that's if the reseller program and membership site was so crappy to you, why were you so keen on upgrading to Gold when it came available as per your reply to JoyFulWraps who said:

Originally Posted by joyfulwraps Thanks Daniel...I just went Gold and am looking forward to a very successful partnership!

Do not pass this opportunity up if you are reading this. One of the best WSOs I have seen on this forum.

You said:

Originally Posted by cherylwright

Yep, I did too - the second the email arrived, no hestitation whatsoever! It was a no-brainer for me...

Cheryl

Like I said... if things were so bad as you make out, why did you upgrade to a higher level instead of asking for a refund? In fact you even said you had "no hesitation whatsoever!... It was a no-brainer"

It's because there is SO SO MUCH on offer, and no-one can deny that!

Again, even you said:

Originally Posted by cherylwright

Thanks Daniel,

I am a member of several paid membership sites, but despite that, there are heaps of products I've never seen before.

This is a great site

Cheryl

"heaps of products"

"This is a great site"

Sure, I admit, my communication with the members whilst I worked on the site could have been better which would have prevented some dropping out, but like I said.. my communication is back to it's best and therefore MANY members are still very active on the site and pay their $27 every single month without fail. Which results in very wealthy resellers!!

At the end of the day, you were so impressed to begin with and it was only when I re-opened this WSO by selling the GOLD reseller license that annoyed you the most, however I have learned that sometimes you can't please everyone for ever.

However I do want to thank you for giving it a go and I wish you all the best with your future endeavors.

Daniel

[cherylwright]

Dan,

Since you seem set to continue this discussion, I'll answer.

Back when I bought the WSO it did seem to be a good deal -- it was to be only 100 licenses after all. And yes, I upgraded to Gold because I had the misconception it was going to be a good investment.

Apart from the fact you built it up to be the best site on the internet, and with the promise of only 50 openings for Gold reseller, which BTW, has dramatically changed from what I can see now. (Again, broken promises about the number of reseller licenses available.)

Also, I mistakenly believed I would be making money from the site. If the site had been up to scratch, the sign-ups I got would have stayed on.

They all said the same thing - there was no movement on the site, and therefore they saw no reason to stay.

I had one sign-up who tried THREE TIMES to join for the trial period, and despite them lodging a help-desk ticket, and me emailing you several times, they still were unable to access the site.

I therefore lost that sale due to your lack of service.

I had other sign-ups who were able to access the site, but were not impressed, and didn't stay on.

And that's not to mention those who tried to sign up, only to get a message that the site was being upgraded and new memberships were suspensed.

Oh yeah, you forgot to mention all that stuff, right Dan? (And even worse, you saw no issue with doing that.)

As for the hundreds of resellers making a killing, I saw no indication of that at all.

On the reseller forum, everyone was saying the same thing - they wouldn't promote because the site was not up to scratch. Even Matt has said that here, so it's no good denying it.

Don't try to make me out to be the bad guy here Dan, because we both know that's not the case.

I gave it six months, hundreds of hours works, and many, many dollars in promotions, but absolutely no return for my investment.

I even wrote an ebook to promote the site, as well as joining giveaways, and implementing other forms of promotion.

You say I wasn't happy for different reasons -- what are those reasons? I'm curious to know.

Here's my take on it -- I wasn't happy because:

1) All trial signups cancelled because they saw no value for money.

2) You refused to add new resale products to the site - at one point I literally gave you products to add to the site to fill it up. Now you ask members to add products for you via a software program you've added!

3) Your communications suck. It's no good saying you'll change; you've said that before and it hasn't happened.

4) The "heaps of products" I mentioned in my initial testimonial have all been removed -- weeks ago, if not months, and up until the time I left, still had not been put back.


The bottom line is this Dan, just because I liked the site in December when I bought the WSO, does not mean it stayed that way. If it had, I'd be happy, and so would potential members. (You know, the ones I lost.)

You know that old saying: 'he doth protest too much'? That's you right now. The more you attack me, the more information people are finding out about the site.

Suck it up, realise you did the wrong thing by those who bought the WSO to begin with, and people will respect you.

Change your ways and give people value for their investment. That's what you promised to start with.

And like I said to you privately, I do have all those PM's we exchanged way back in January when you kept expanding the WSO, so I do have proof of our discussions and how unhappy I was, and the promises you made not to sell any more licenses.

Because after all, that's what this is about --- you going back on your promise not to sell any more licenses.

If you had kept that promise, I would not have asked for a refund. (A promise is a promise - it's as good as a contract in my opinion.)





Cheryl

Originally Posted by mm365

Hi Cheryl,

Like I said before, HUNDREDS of resellers are making an absolute KILLING each month through the new membership site (as well as the One Time Offers which earn them an extra $97 INSTANTLY). For example, one woman last month sold 8 OTOs earning a nice sum of $776 (minus PayPal fees). Now even if she never, ever promoted again - she's already well over $700 in profit from buying this WSO.

You weren't happy for different reasons, and for that I'm sorry - However there are many, many, MANY resellers and members who are INCREDIBLY happy - and it makes this whole thing worth it.

If I have learned anything over the past 6 months, it's communication is key. Back in the early days, SO many people (including you) were impressed by my communication skills, and the speed of my replies.

However as the site got bigger and bigger as more and more were added to it (article directory, blogs, videos and yes HOSTING along with much more) - my communication level unfortunately suffered.

The good news is that now everything is in place, my communication is back on top and I'm getting feedback from members such as:

"if you can continue the kind of dedication you've shown in running this program, I'd stick around for 11 years too"

"Anyway, I'm planning on sticking around for the long haul."

"This is by far the greatest membership site I have ever been a member of - and that's a lot!"

"...this is the new generation of membership sites"

and funny enough...

"is there a reseller program for this site because I am so impressed with it, I want to tell people about it"

Also, there's one other thing I wanted to ask you... and that's if the reseller program and membership site was so crappy to you, why were you so keen on upgrading to Gold when it came available as per your reply to JoyFulWraps who said:



You said:




Like I said... if things were so bad as you make out, why did you upgrade to a higher level instead of asking for a refund? In fact you even said you had "no hesitation whatsoever!... It was a no-brainer"

It's because there is SO SO MUCH on offer, and no-one can deny that!

Again, even you said:



"heaps of products"

"This is a great site"

Sure, I admit, my communication with the members whilst I worked on the site could have been better which would have prevented some dropping out, but like I said.. my communication is back to it's best and therefore MANY members are still very active on the site and pay their $27 every single month without fail. Which results in very wealthy resellers!!

At the end of the day, you were so impressed to begin with and it was only when I re-opened this WSO by selling the GOLD reseller license that annoyed you the most, however I have learned that sometimes you can't please everyone for ever.

However I do want to thank you for giving it a go and I wish you all the best with your future endeavors.

Daniel

[cherylwright]

Just so people can see that what I am saying is true, here's part of an email I sent to Dan (note the date - February 5 -- I bought the WSO 26/12/08):



From: *email addy removed to stop spam*
To: *email addy removed to stop spam*
Subject: RE: MM365
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:11:51 +1100
Dan,

I’m sorry, but this does not appease me at all. The bottom line is that you advertised the WSO as going only to the first 100. You’ve broken the terms of the WSO. (And probably also the WF terms for selling a WSO.) So whether or not it’s affecting resellers is beside the point. Most of us bought it because it was supposed to only go to 100 people.

If you were going to make it ongoing, you should have been honest about it and said so – and sold it at a higher price to begin with. Under those conditions, I would not have considered buying it. Yes, I will make the most of it – only because of the money, time, and effort I’ve put into it already - but this is no longer the opportunity you promised. And I’m no longer as enthusiastic about it as a result.


And here is his response (again, note the date):



From: Dan Vaughan *email addy removed to stop spam*
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2009 10:47 AM
To: *email addy removed to stop spam*
Subject: RE: MM365

Cheryl,

Your last email has been received with a open mind. Let me dwell on it and get back to you.

As for the site - I am currently working on it and it's looking great so far (will be going live in under 24 hours). It will be as big as UM (if not bigger) and I'm sure further down the line, you will be pleased you jumped on board.

Whilst I have a long hard think about the near future of this all, I want you to sit back and put yourself in my shoes. Yes, I'm sure you've done the maths and know how well I've done with this WSO - now if you were earning an extra few thousand a month, why would you stop that? And if you think I'm the only warrior who has listed a WSO with a "limit" and stuck to it - think again.


-------------------


Now people, did Dan, or did Dan not know I was unhappy about the WSO?





Cheryl

[D Ambrose]

As for the hundreds of resellers making a killing, I saw no indication of that at all.

Hi Cheryl,

You obviously have your issues. However instead of refuting your points, I am simply going to email a host of resellers (ones that were too busy earning than to join the reseller forum) and ask them to make their points on it all.

That way, people who view this thread will see that the majority of people here are happy with the program and are earning very well.

Daniel

PS. I have already pointed out that the 200 extra spots here are not for the basic affiliate program which had a limited number, but instead for the GOLD affiliate program. You point out that there were only 50 spots, but again you are putting the wrong facts across... resellers that were sent to the sales page detailing the GOLD upgrade were told that the FIRST 50 would only be $47, after that the price would rise. No-where did it say that there were limited spots.


Note to people viewing this thread - We are now down to only 34 licenses EVER to be offered (as of today 7:33am).

GET YOUR SPOT BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE DOES!

[D Ambrose]

The bottom line is that you advertised the WSO as going only to the first 100

Like I keep keep saying Cheryl... THESE SPOTS ARE NOT FOR THE SAME LICENSE AS SOLD BEFORE.

Now people, did Dan, or did Dan not know I was unhappy about the WSO?

I DID stop selling the licenses as per my WSO. These new spots are for a totally different license. Which is why you decided to stay on board for another 5 months.

The fact that you have accidentally confused one license (basic - old WSO) for another (gold - new WSO) is unfortunate.

Daniel

[cherylwright]

Frankly Dan, I don't really give a damn any more. People can make up their own minds on this WSO. What I'm more interested in at this point, is that you stop trying to make me out to be a liar. We both know what I've said is true.






Cheryl

[cherylwright]

Originally Posted by mm365

Like I keep keep saying Cheryl... THESE SPOTS ARE NOT FOR THE SAME LICENSE AS SOLD BEFORE.



I DID stop selling the licenses as per my WSO. These new spots are for a totally different license. Which is why you decided to stay on board for another 5 months.

The fact that you have accidentally confused one license (basic - old WSO) for another (gold - new WSO) is unfortunate.

Daniel

Dan, you are trying to twist the facts for your own use.

The original WSO was for the BASIC license. You sold it for $17. The upgrade was for the Gold reseller. You said you would stop selling the WSO reseller license.

It doesn't matter if it's basic or Gold, it's still the same WSO reopened, and still a reseller license.

My point: You broke your promise.




Cheryl

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by cherylwright

Frankly Dan, I don't really give a damn any more. People can make up their own minds on this WSO. What I'm more interested in at this point, is that you stop trying to make me out to be a liar. We both know what I've said is true.
Cheryl

Hi Cheryl,

Im sorry you were unhappy about the WSO. However 6 months as a member/reseller - it can't have been all that bad.

The only reason I wanted to argue the case with you is that you were intent on making it out as if no-one was happy and everyone agreed with you. Not only that, but you have made some bold claims that couldn't be further from the truth, perhaps a misunderstanding on your part, or bad communication on mine... either way - I had to make sure people viewing this thread got ALL the facts.

Sure there have been some who haven't found it easy, but then there's many many more people who HAVE found it easy and ARE earning a seriously high income because of it. That was what I wanted to put across.

Not only that, but ALL these licenses came with membership to MoreMoney365.com which in itself saves you $324 every year! A reason in itself to buy this WSO!

Note to people viewing this thread - There are still only only 34 licenses EVER to be offered (as of today 7:56am), but people are going to be getting out of bed soon!

GET YOUR SPOT BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE DOES AND SEE WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HAPPY EARNING A VERY COMFORTABLE INCOME THANKS TO THIS WSO!

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by cherylwright

Dan, you are trying to twist the facts for your own use.

The original WSO was for the BASIC license. You sold it for $17. The upgrade was for the Gold reseller. You said you would stop selling the WSO reseller license.

It doesn't matter if it's basic or Gold, it's still the same WSO reopened, and still a reseller license.

My point: You broke your promise.

Cheryl

I can see where you are getting mixed up here Cheryl - however I never said "I would stop selling the WSO reseller license" I said I would remove the $17 basic affiliate license BECAUSE I promised to do so.

Now though, people have ONE LAST CHANCE to join the GOLD program for just $49 (as well as getting LIFETIME membership to MoreMoney365.com AND my Optin-Xplosion report)

(call it a firesale if you will)

There are 34 spots left.. they are going fast.. and they will NEVER be seen on this WSO again!

(and you can quote me on that!)

Daniel

[cherylwright]

Originally Posted by mm365

The only reason I wanted to argue the case with you is that you were intent on making it out as if no-one was happy and everyone agreed with you. Not only that, but you have made some bold claims that couldn't be further from the truth, perhaps a misunderstanding on your part, or bad communication on mine... either way - I had to make sure people viewing this thread got ALL the facts.

Sure there have been some who haven't found it easy, but then there's many many more people who HAVE found it easy and ARE earning a seriously high income because of it. That was what I wanted to put across.

Not only that, but ALL these licenses came with membership to MoreMoney365.com which in itself saves you $324 every year! A reason in itself to buy this WSO!

And you were making out that everyone was happy! See my point?

The $324 they're saving each year? Maybe the site has improved, but it sure wasn't worth it before. (And remember, I'm only talking about one week ago!)

Can we just agree to disagree, because I still believe most of this is half-baked truths, and you'll never agree to that.

I honestly hope those who buy into this will make money. But they can't blame me if they don't.




Cheryl

[Dennis Cheesman]

Well for me it is a no brainer..

Just to get access and have the opportunity to mingle with other marketers for lifetime membership at only $49 and also get a chance to sell access

There is a lot of material as well, I have been going through it and there is a ton of videos, articles and so on.

The twitter interaction alone is pretty cool.

I haven't had a chance to promote it yet but as I said before the lifetime membership alone is worth the price, and plan to run an offer by my customers...

I would like to ask if that is a custom script or did you buy it somewhere?

Dennis Cheesman

[simebern]

WOW... thats the biggest game of verbal tennis I have seen in ages

Just wanted to say that I too purchased Dans' original WSO back in December, and in
fact had only been part of the WF for a short time... I was swept up in the hype and
jumped on board as did quite a few others (including Cheryl)..

At first I did not promote this heavily, but over the last 6 months I have made substantial sales from both direct selling, and through various IM lists.. I agree that the site has had its issues, but running any sort of membership site is no simple feat..

I have also had to ask Dan for assistance as well as query him on certain issues, but I can happily admit that his replies to me were prompt and informative. I can certainly see that some may be upset by a person extending beyond the orginal reseller licence number, but in the end - who cares how many other people are selling it.. You should be focused on how YOU sell it, as ultimately this is THE most important factor!

I will continue to promote Dan's membership site (along with a number of others) and remain confident that Dan will ensure the site content problems and other issues to date are not repeated in the future... While I continue to make money on this venture, and can keep my lists satisfied (by providing additional resources to aid them in discovering the power of IM "hint" "hint") then I will pursue my efforts with MM365...

Simon

[Matt Fulger]

Hi again fellow warriors,

Let me just say that Cheryl has good reasons for her own convictions with Dan's membership site. The main issues are with the confusion of his licensing levels, which I had found confusing myself when he sent out his initial Gold upgrade emails. But I do think Dan is well within his rights to sell different membership and reseller licenses. I don't agree that he actually broke his promises, there's just a bunch of confusion going on with his membership levels.

The second part is with the lack of updates to the main membership site itself. The updates haven't come as expected, but instead has been moved to a new platform; his "Spaces" area of the membership. And that took way longer than even Dan had expected due to programming issues with his custom script.

The third part is that the original sales page seemed to promote a step-by-step walk through to success with the MM365 membership and that part IS still lacking. There doesn't seem to be any real direction for newbies as to where to start and what to do. I'm under the impression that Dan still plans on implementing this direction for his members and simply hasn't had the time to properly do so yet.

I know one would think that 6 months would be plenty of time to implement such direction and/or step-by-step instructions, however, Dan has had his hands full with the custom coding going on with the new platform running the site.

So if you are looking for hand holding, this might not YET be for you (although, you'd still be better off joining through this WSO in the end). However, if you are looking for new products, fresh content and/or a private social networking site, this is definitely worth the investment.

Just know that Cheryl is well within her rights for being upset due to the lack of updates she experienced during her time with MM365. She isn't just making things up to make Dan and/or MM365 look bad. For her, it was a bad experience. But you need to take into account the time and money investment she put in trying to promote the MM365 membership during this rocky period. We were all expecting updates that never "seemed" to happen. There was a time where no one could seem to access anything for an extended period of time and instead was getting a default message saying the site was being upgraded and it would be up and ready soon (I'm paraphrasing here), etc.

I never did figure out why that was going on with some of the pages, but it was something that happened while the programmers implemented the new, custom coded platform. It seemed to me that these updates could have been done without affecting other areas of the site, but I don't know ALL the details behind the site either.

The fact is, Dan did NOT communicate very well with his members/resellers during this time and that alone created a hell of a lot of confusion among members and resellers alike. Dan is working on this and his communications seem to be improving. The biggest problem was that Dan was waiting on updates from his programmers so he would know how to update us. However, IMHO he should have simply communicated to us that he himself was awaiting updates from the programmers so that we at least had an idea what the hold up was.

He's admitted that he could have communicated better and he says he plans to do a much better job with communicating from now on.

I don't think Dan is a liar at all and I think he has the best of intentions for his members and resellers alike. It's simply the lack of communications that created the confusion in the first place.

Fact is, Cheryl has been tempted to ask for a refund for months now and hasn't tried to hide this fact from Dan or anyone else. She decided to give Dan a chance and waited for a full 6 months to see some improvements before deciding to go ahead and get her refund.

Here's one of the main issues Cheryl is having with MM365:

Taken from the MM365 main sales page:

Regardless of your experience level, we are going to drive & force your online success! We will improve your money making skills and teach you how to take your Internet marketing "Game" to the next level. Whether you are looking to earn an extra $500 a month or an extra $15,000+ per month, MM365 provides you with a TOTAL blueprint of how to succeed in building an online business.

Although, I do like the site, I have YET to see this "TOTAL blueprint" he mentions on the sales page. There may be guides available to download that will help you find this "TOTAL blueprint" but there's no direction on the site as to where it is.

So in closing, Cheryl has a right to ask for her refund and Dan has the right to sell more licenses. Neither Dan nor Cheryl is a bad person here, they are both helpful people, full of wisdom that you can learn from.

Dennis, the spaces platform is completely custom coded. I had asked Dan the same thing when he first opened the doors to it.

Anyway, I hope this post helps some of you make a more informed decision as to whether MM365 is for you or not.

I know that I plan to remain a member and wouldn't even think of asking for a refund even IF that "TOTAL blueprint" never makes its way into the site.

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by Dennis Cheesman

Well for me it is a no brainer..

Just to get access and have the opportunity to mingle with other marketers for lifetime membership at only $49 and also get a chance to sell access

There is a lot of material as well, I have been going through it and there is a ton of videos, articles and so on.

The twitter interaction alone is pretty cool.

I haven't had a chance to promote it yet but as I said before the lifetime membership alone is worth the price, and plan to run an offer by my customers...

I would like to ask if that is a custom script or did you buy it somewhere?

Dennis Cheesman

Thanks Dennis - glad to add you to the long list of happy customers

As for the membership software, it is a custom script I'm afraid - in fact it cost a heck of a lot of money! However if I come across anything similar, I shall point you in the direction.

Daniel

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by simebern

WOW... thats the biggest game of verbal tennis I have seen in ages

Just wanted to say that I too purchased Dans' original WSO back in December, and in
fact had only been part of the WF for a short time... I was swept up in the hype and
jumped on board as did quite a few others (including Cheryl)..

At first I did not promote this heavily, but over the last 6 months I have made substantial sales from both direct selling, and through various IM lists.. I agree that the site has had its issues, but running any sort of membership site is no simple feat..

I have also had to ask Dan for assistance as well as query him on certain issues, but I can happily admit that his replies to me were prompt and informative. I can certainly see that some may be upset by a person extending beyond the orginal reseller licence number, but in the end - who cares how many other people are selling it.. You should be focused on how YOU sell it, as ultimately this is THE most important factor!

I will continue to promote Dan's membership site (along with a number of others) and remain confident that Dan will ensure the site content problems and other issues to date are not repeated in the future... While I continue to make money on this venture, and can keep my lists satisfied (by providing additional resources to aid them in discovering the power of IM "hint" "hint") then I will pursue my efforts with MM365...

Simon

Thanks for the feedback Simon!

[D Ambrose]

Matt - you are just full of wisdom and someone I really enjoy having around MoreMoney365 - I look forward to your support and feedback for many years to come.

Daniel

UPDATE: THERE ARE NOW ONLY 33 SPOTS LEFT!

[ryanzona]

Originally Posted by mm365

Hi, the site is currently being professionally developed to convert more. However for most peoples campaigns the % of conversions is between 5%-15%.

I can't speak for everyone, however those who are putting the effort in seem to be getting the best results. There are some sellers currently already making over $1,000 a month.Daniel

To me it would be great to see some of the thousand dollar a month members post about thier successes on here, not just general reviews.

All the other compliments are fine, but it does seem odd that no one has come forward to say they are making this kind of monay promoting this site. Just asking.

[D Ambrose]

Emails have been sent to those who I know are making these amounts... I am hoping they get back to me soon

For the time being, you can read through all the positive comments already found on this thread.

Daniel

[D Ambrose]

PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN FLOODING IN OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS...

There are now only 10 licenses EVER to be offered!!!

BUY NOW - BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

[Heri Rosyadi]

Hi Dan,

I just bought it..

I am interested in reselling your membership, however after some testing, including
sign up to your opt-in form in the sales letter I found a leak that is not favor to your
reseller.

I tested my own reseller link and the sign up in the opt-in form there.
Then I got your email follow up with this link: :: MOREMONEY365 ::

Now i expect there should be a cookie dropped already so when I clicked the order
button I expect the payment to my paypal address but it's NOT,
The payment goes to Dan's paypal.

I don't mind that you have an optin form in the sales letter as long the follow
up favor to us resellers..

Other than that leakage everything is working fine..

So is that possible for you to remove the optin page in the sales letter?

or if you dont want to remove the optin then is it possible for your system
to keep tracked the referrer to the site?

I think the problem is that when promoting the reseller site we have
GOLDEN sub folder in the link while in your email follow up you use
the main folder hence the RAP system doesn't recognize the referrer.

Please clarify..

Thanks,
Heri

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by Heri Rosyadi

Hi Dan,

I just bought it..

I am interested in reselling your membership, however after some testing, including
sign up to your opt-in form in the sales letter I found a leak that is not favor to your
reseller.

I tested my own reseller link and the sign up in the opt-in form there.
Then I got your email follow up with this link: :: MOREMONEY365 ::

Now i expect there should be a cookie dropped already so when I clicked the order
button I expect the payment to my paypal address but it's NOT,
The payment goes to Dan's paypal.

I don't mind that you have an optin form in the sales letter as long the follow
up favor to us resellers..

Other than that leakage everything is working fine..

So is that possible for you to remove the optin page in the sales letter?

or if you dont want to remove the optin then is it possible for your system
to keep tracked the referrer to the site?

I think the problem is that when promoting the reseller site we have
GOLDEN sub folder in the link while in your email follow up you use
the main folder hence the RAP system doesn't recognize the referrer.

Please clarify..

Thanks,
Heri

Hi Heri - thank you for your feedback. I have kept the optin form on the page but have made the necessary adjustments. You shall now be the ones getting the referal if they come back to the site later through the email they are sent.

Daniel

[D Ambrose]

...However there are now only 5 licenses EVER to be offered!!!

[thezaz]

Hi Dan,

I just joined and am excited about this great opportunity. Let's face it sooo many people are interested in learning to make extra money on ":The Net" Well with todays economy. Your site will definately fit the bill.

Best Regards,

Roman

[GopalG]

I also bought this now and as Dan said he is preparing a script that could rival the RAP and the butterfly marketing script and offering it to members at a huge discount.

After all the comments from Cheryl, how would it be to offer the script for free to members as long as they stay as members. This will greatly increase the sticky rate of the members as they get something valuable out of the membership every month. Just my idea though

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by thezaz

Hi Dan,

I just joined and am excited about this great opportunity. Let's face it sooo many people are interested in learning to make extra money on ":The Net" Well with todays economy. Your site will definately fit the bill.

Best Regards,

Roman

Thanks for the feedback Roman - glad to have you on board

Daniel

[kennethtang]

Daniel,

There must be a glitch somewhere. I just tested the sign up form and the resulting email links took me to your Paypal account.

You might want to check it again.

Cheers,

Kenneth

Originally Posted by mm365

Hi Heri - thank you for your feedback. I have kept the optin form on the page but have made the necessary adjustments. You shall now be the ones getting the referal if they come back to the site later through the email they are sent.

Daniel

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by kennethtang

Daniel,

There must be a glitch somewhere. I just tested the sign up form and the resulting email links took me to your Paypal account.

You might want to check it again.

Cheers,

Kenneth

Hi Kenneth,

OK, before I look at it again, I need to make sure you have your coookies deleted first.
Then go to an affiliate link (your own for example)..
THEN fill in the sign up form.

If there's still a glitch, I'll look into it.

Daniel

[kennethtang]

Did that first time around, Dan. It didn't "take". However, it's working now

Kenneth

Originally Posted by mm365

Hi Kenneth,

OK, before I look at it again, I need to make sure you have your coookies deleted first.
Then go to an affiliate link (your own for example)..
THEN fill in the sign up form.

If there's still a glitch, I'll look into it.

Daniel

[D Ambrose]

Originally Posted by kennethtang

...it's working now

Kenneth

Great.

Thanks for helping out

Daniel

[cherylwright]

Here is exactly one of the reasons I asked for my money back on the orginal WSO. Take a look at this email that arrived in my inbox today....

(Not sure how resellers are supposed to SELL memberships when Dan is offering $10 LIFETIME MEMBERSHIPS via email.)



Cheryl

-----------------------------


-----Original Message-----
From: removed to stop spam [mailto:supaffiliatepro@aweber.com] On Behalf Of MoreMoney365
Sent: Sunday, 6 September 2009 2:06 AM
To: Cheryl Wright
Subject: Cheryl, you've been offered LIFETIME membership to MoreMoney365.com!

Hey Cheryl!

This is not a joke email.

How would you like to get FULL access to
MoreMoney365.com FOR LIFE?!

===========================
Here's what you will get
===========================

*YOUR OWN "SPACE"*
Build friend lists, comment on each others
walls, create RSS feeds, Blog, upload videos,
share files, submit articles and much more!

*YOUR OWN BLOG*
Direct traffic to your own website, build
reputation, share your thoughts, launch your
campaigns and more!

*TWITTER INTERACTION*
Build your follower count, share tips, promote
products/services, search public timeline,
friends timeline, user timeline, favorite
tweets, followers and friends, @replies

*SHARE ARTICLES*
Massive exposure to thousands of More Money 365
members, free advertising, viral marketing, boost
your personal and business credibility, bring
traffic to your site, generate sales and leads
without having a site, reach the unreachable

*THOUSANDS OF VIDEOS*
Upload videos, watch videos, learn new techniques,
watch over guru shoulders. Videos are uploaded
every day by members.

*PRODUCTS GALORE*
Members share products with each other, 100's of
products added daily, PLR, MRR, Giveaway, grow your
reputation, build your opt-in lists, download all
the latest products to hit the market and more!

*YOUR OWN SHOP*
Promote your services/products to thousands
of members through our very own "ebay shop" type
marketplace and get paid directly into your account!


===========================
So, what's the catch?
===========================

All I ask for from you is a ONE-TIME payment
of $10.

Thats right - ten measly bucks!

Not only is this the offer of a lifetime, but
IF you aren't as amazed as all the other members,
simply contact me and I'll give you a direct
refund.

Now can you really turn this offer down?

Go to (Link removed)

See you on the inside!

Daniel

PS. This offer ends @ midnight tonight.

[Matt Fulger]

Hi Cheryl,

Now isn't that interesting? I didn't seem to get that one myself.
I just checked my inbox again to make sure. Nope, didn't get it.

But I thought you would like to know that you left his link live
in your post....so you just gave him some free advertising. LOL

[cherylwright]

Originally Posted by Matt Fulger

Hi Cheryl,

Now isn't that interesting? I didn't seem to get that one myself.
I just checked my inbox again to make sure. Nope, didn't get it.

But I thought you would like to know that you left his link live
in your post....so you just gave him some free advertising. LOL

Darn about the live link.. will fix that...

It's probably only gone out to non-members. It sure doesn't help resellers to sell memberships.

He just doesn't seem to get it.




Cheryl

[Matt Fulger]

Originally Posted by cherylwright

Darn about the live link.. will fix that...

It's probably only gone out to non-members. It sure doesn't help resellers to sell memberships.

He just doesn't seem to get it.

Cheryl

You could be right about going out to ONLY non-members as it
would piss of current resellers, etc.

Also, agree that it's not a good way to help out resellers by
under cutting them. Sigh.

I don't know what's going on with him lately, haven't heard
from him at all in probably a month or so.

I never quite did figure out his new "Spaces" platform. As in,
where the hell did all the original content even go? It seems
all the PLR and MRR products simply aren't listed anymore.

I liked the way he had it before when you could click on a
product for a more detailed description of what it actually
was. But since the "Spaces" platform was launched, I haven't
seen any of that going on. Now everything seems to be mixed
in with everyone's uploaded files. No kind of real organization
going on, even though it looks as if there was an attempt to
keep it all organized, it just doesn't seem like it's actually doing
the job.

Dan keeps changing the menu around too, so everytime I
get it all figured out, something changes. LOL

Oh well, life goes on.

Matt

[cherylwright]

Why am I not surprised by all that? It was a shmozzle before, so you can't expect it to be any different now.

Matt, I miss you and all the others at MM365. Many of them contact me via email or Skype, so feel free to do the same.



Cheryl

[Joseph Park]

Is this offer still on, Dan? I subscribed to your membership site yesterday but
it just took me to a page where it says, "unfortunately we could not process
your PayPal payment!" even though it has been processed from PayPal.

I've also sent you an email requesting my access and I'd like to know if your
reseller package is still available.

Thanks, Dan. : )

[MikeWest]

the site seems to be dead

http://www.moremoney365.com/

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

[cherylwright]

I just heard from a reseller friend today that the site has been down for about a week and no word from Dan.

I did warn you guys....




Cheryl

[Dave777]

We all Live and learn and Google through experiences Unfortunately too late sometimes...

Disappointing to say the least as per the Large number of warriors who supported Daniel and his WSO!

Oh well what can you do...
Site for Sale: Established Social Networking Membership Site Earns $10,000 PROFIT per month — Flippa

Dave

[cherylwright]

So the site was up for sale? What a jerk!

I will add I'm not surprised it ended this way. The writing was on the wall...




Cheryl

[Matt Fulger]

Hi again Cheryl,

Something similar to this happened a couple weeks ago too, then it came back online just as mysteriously as it disappeared. Never a word from Dan. That seems to be pretty normal these days. It's a rare occurrence that he responds to anything these days it seems. Although, I did ask him (through the spaces messaging platform) what happened to all the downloads (even the member uploads have disappeared now) a few weeks ago and he did answer that they would be adding them back shortly.

Not sure if that ever happened though, as I don't check back daily or anything like that and the site seems to be down again now.

However, my personal sites that I setup hosting with through mm365 have never seen any down time and are still up and running. Though I'm glad I do have backup hosting on other servers, just in case.

As of right now, I'm under the impression that someone is updating the site once again and for whatever reason they don't seem to know how to do this seamlessly. It seems Dan has always had this issue when his programmers "update" the site. Every page returns an internal server error. Same thing I got a couple weeks back.

I'm just glad I'm not one of the people paying a monthly fee and not one of the people who decided to blindly promote this damn thing.

Maybe if he does sell the site, the person that takes over will be more responsive.

I guess all I can do is wait and see.

[cherylwright]

Er, what site is there to update?

From what I've been told, Dan is uncontactable. One reseller has sent several messages to him over the past week, and not one response.

This is the sort of thing that was happening when I was a reseller, and it's one of the reasons I asked for a refund.

Dan has no respect for his resellers or his members. Why would anyone pay $27 a month for this sort of thing to happen? And it's not a rare occurrence either.

What a ridiculous situation. He could have sold the site if he'd been doing the right thing. (And the fact he wants to sell it proves he's not really interested.)




Cheryl

[Matt Fulger]

LMAO!!!

Yeah, I know it seems like there isn't a site at all. But that doesn't really mean anything...er...I mean, it doesn't mean that the site isn't there. Like I said, this happened before too and at the time I was thinking he must have sold out or given up or something, but then the next time I went to the site everything was back with tons more members.

Weirdest part was that there seemed to actually be Active members inside the spaces membership area too. That's when I asked him where the downloads were, as any and all links pointing to any kind of download was missing. That was probably about a month ago. I checked in a few times for a week or two and never did see any of the links pointing to the downloads come back.

I hadn't checked back again until I seen these posts here talking about him selling the site and it being down.

Fact is, the site could come back up at anytime. Unless someone deleted all files and the databases (which I doubt). The current internal server error could be just about anything. It's possible he or his developers or whoever is now running the site now simply has a .htaccess file in the public_html directory causing the internal server error.

Personally, I don't much care since I've Rarely seen ANY new downloads (aside from members like us uploading stuff) since he launched the almighty "Spaces" platform. All I ever seen was a bunch of empty promises from Dan and more and more downloads disappearing. His membership site is like the exact opposite of what a membership site should be. Instead of seeing MORE each month, I seen less as far as actual product downloads goes.

Complete opposite of what a membership site should be. Never did see the "drip feeds" he talked about that were supposed to automatically add new downloads every few days, etc. He did upload a bunch of videos we could watch on the site, but that's about it as far as what he personally added. I did see minor improvements on the spaces script itself, but with each new improvement it seemed like less downloads were available.

As you well know, I've been trying extremely hard to be patient and give Dan the benefit of the doubt to the point of defending him to the likes of you. I hooked up the hosting that he couldn't figure out, free of charge. Provided support for the hosting to those that needed it (that I was aware of anyway). Even kept quiet about some info he asked my advice on pertaining to the MM365 membership. And now here I am feeling like he just took a great big, steamy **** on me.

He could at the very least email members when the site is going to be down. But he doesn't bother. It's like he just doesn't care about the fact that there are people paying a monthly fee to access content that he's not providing access to.

I'm just glad I'm not dependent on his site for anything and feel sorry for those who are.

At least my gut feeling about NOT promoting the site was right. I would rather be w/o the commissions I could have earned than to be trying to explain to people what the hell happened to the site.

[cherylwright]

To be honest Matt, I'm not convinced there are any members. Sure, we saw members on the forum, but a lot of those were 'resellers'. In fact, the majority were resellers.

Just because Dan says it, does not mean it is so...



Cheryl

[RobinInTexas]

I signed up in February off the WSO and checked back from time to time to see what, if anything was happening. I tried a couple of weeks ago, and the site was apparently functional, but would no longer accept my login. My email asking why received no response.

Dan seems to be preoccupied with his new project "I am about to finalize a deal with someone, which will have me takeover her company, which includes her DB of 12.5million "vetted" (i.e clean) consumers." What to do with 12.5 Million leads? (these are not purchased leads) to worry about whether or not mm365.com resolves. But his other project optinexplosion seems to be on the same ip/dedicated server at the planet (or hostgator)

[GopalG]

Should not we try to get back our money from this guy?

He has collected close to 50 dollars and we are still talking...

I still see him as active in the forum.

He should have been banned from the forum for life now.

Allen, if you are listening ban this person from this wonderful forum.

He earned a million dollars and 1,40,000 subscribers from this forum and he is disrespecting
the very same forum.

[RobinInTexas]

Wonders never cease.

The site is back up. It reports that there are 234 members online.

But navigation is not working, at least for me. I keep getting

The connection was reset
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
* The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments

[cherylwright]

Originally Posted by GopalG

Should not we try to get back our money from this guy?

He has collected close to 50 dollars and we are still talking...

I still see him as active in the forum.

He should have been banned from the forum for life now.

Allen, if you are listening ban this person from this wonderful forum.

He earned a million dollars and 1,40,000 subscribers from this forum and he is disrespecting
the very same forum.

I personally believe he should be banned. All his WSO's have been suspect in my opinion. But I have my money back so I can't complain. You can make a complaint about someone by left clicking and viewing their public profile then clicking on infractions and writing a note to the moderators. They then look into it and ban the person if they feel it's warranted.

Oh, and just on the first time he ran this WSO he collected more than $7,000 from members. So this WSO alone has given him a lot of cash.




Cheryl

[Matt Fulger]

Originally Posted by cherylwright

To be honest Matt, I'm not convinced there are any members. Sure, we saw members on the forum, but a lot of those were 'resellers'. In fact, the majority were resellers.

Just because Dan says it, does not mean it is so...

Cheryl

Cheryl,

I'm not so naive as to simply go on what Dan says about the membership.

I base my findings on what's going on inside the spaces area of his site. I have talked to some real people on the site and checked out blogs, uploads, articles, etc. I don't know what the real membership numbers are, but there are definitely members inside spaces.

Definitely more active members than while you were still a member. Of course, the forum itself is gone now which I think sucks. But there are people active inside the spaces area.

Originally Posted by GopalG

Should not we try to get back our money from this guy?

He has collected close to 50 dollars and we are still talking...

I still see him as active in the forum.

He should have been banned from the forum for life now.

Allen, if you are listening ban this person from this wonderful forum.

He earned a million dollars and 1,40,000 subscribers from this forum and he is disrespecting
the very same forum.

Actually, Dan has NOT scammed anyone and doesn't deserve to be banned from the WF over his actions at MM365. If you want a refund, request one and he'll probably give it to you.

I haven't seen him disrespecting this forum. He's asked for opinions and he's made some WSO offers. If you aren't happy with a purchase you made, request a refund and don't do business with him again. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by RobinInTexas

Wonders never cease.

The site is back up. It reports that there are 234 members online.

But navigation is not working, at least for me. I keep getting

The connection was reset
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.
* The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments

Robin,

I think the errors you are getting are legitimate errors. All the navigation links are working for me now and he seems to have put the downloads back.

However, I still don't see the products that were in the original members area before spaces. That's not to say they aren't there somewhere, but I haven't seen them yet.

In the end, I'm still not planning on promoting the site. I don't want the headaches of answering unanswerable questions from people I refer.

I'm hoping that IF Dan does sell MM365, the new owner(s) will have some communication skills. Dan knows he's lacking in that area as I've been sure to tell him and he admits to not being very good at communicating. One would think he'd hire a support staff that does know how to communicate, if he's really raking in all the money he says he is.

In closing, I'm just glad I'm not paying a monthly fee and haven't tried convincing anyone else to either.

Peace & Prosperity,
Matt Fulger