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Old 08-07-2012, 12:31 AM   #751
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I just check. He already removes his money back guaranteed from the salespage This guy is an asshole.
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I just check. He already removes his money back guaranteed from the salespage This guy is an asshole.
i have a screenshot of the page which says 30 days refund. helpful?
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We may as well conclude that this guy will use any excuses for not refunding our money despite stating a 90 days no question asked money back guarantee. He said he had never said that he would provide live links reports oh yea thats right. However he also said "This will take much longer and I would of had to charge a lot more money to do this. This was always the case as this isnt possible. No-one does this for that amount of money." This is funny as there are lots of other WSO under 30usd that offers live link reports.
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i have a screenshot of the page which says 30 days refund. helpful?
Thats indeed a true a**hole behaviour, just wondering how can he still managed to remove anything from the sales page despite being banned? a screen shot of evidence would be more than enough.
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I think we may need to consult the lawyer.
Does anyone here know the lawyer and be able to waive the consultation fee ?
I'm sure there must be something we can do about this guy.
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I think we may need to consult the lawyer.
Does anyone here know the lawyer and be able to waive the consultation fee ?
I'm sure there must be something we can do about this guy.
Maybe somebody from Australia would like to help here... Unfortunately I'm for Netherlands...

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Old 08-07-2012, 01:05 AM   #757
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The guy thinks we can't chase him for the money because we are in the different side of the world. Nobody will pay a thousand for air ticket to go to Australia just for seeing him.
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:48 AM   #758
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Maybe somebody from Australia would like to help here... Unfortunately I'm for Netherlands...

Kris.
i am in Melbourne. but i dont know any lawyers here. but i will definitely ask around in a couple of days.

i was thinking of going to a local police station, but didnt get a chance to do that last week.
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Email him back and ask him one question, from his salespage if we are not satisfied with the results, we can get our money back in 90 days without conditions. Why doesn't he refund your money ? It doesn't matter if he already worked long hours, paid staff (actually, he didn't do anything about that). If he failed to deliver the results, he must refund no questions asked.
I have purchased a number of WSO/Clickbank products in the past. Most have been OK but for two of them I invoked the owner's refund policy and obtained my money back. Their was nothing wrong with the products it was just that after careful examination of them they weren't suitable for me. This is obviously good and expected business practise by the WSO owners and these products are still being sold successfully today.

Now lets stretch our imagination to breaking point and suggest our con-man was genuine. His business has a host of guarantees including a refund policy. Now lets say his business genuinely ceases trading - he is in debt and has no assets. Where would that leave us as customers? In exactly the same position has we are in now with no chance of getting our money back. At best we would be creditors. But, and I think it is a big BUT, although we would be angry and disappointed about losing money we wouldn't be calling him a cheat. We would just have to put it down to experience and move on.

As I said previously, I believe this guy is no idiot and he knows what he is doing. He may be a b*st*rd, a con-artist and a thief but he is no idiot. I think it would be extremely difficult to bring him to justice for his actions on this one WSO alone since he would deny any wrongdoing. He would state his business just didn't work out and that he was very sorry blah blah blah - which is what his emails seem to be saying. In other words, he is claiming he is a victim too and unless their was evidence to the contrary (i.e. intent to defraud at the outset) I believe the authorities would have to believe him too.

However, if it was possible to gain evidence of similar scams that he has operated in the past where he has used similar techniques to con money out of the public then we may have a chance. But I think that would be expensive to prove.

I like the idea of trying to find a lawyer who would be able to offer an initial consultation for free. Once we had a definitive answer about possible courses of legal action, perhaps we could band together as victims to persue this d*ckh**d.

But it also brings me onto another question. Where was the offence committed? In Australia where we assume he lives, or in the USA where the WSO (and his business) is hosted. I'm sure the lawyers would fight that one out too. Or are their any mods on this thread that could answer this one??

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Don't worry this guy does not know what he is doing.
The only reason he has came back and replied with emails is that he is worried about all the people putting in complaints to the relevant Authorities.
We may have lost our money , but you can still get pay back by reporting him to the scam watch links and the tax man.
There are strict laws in Australia when you are registered with an ABN business number, about how you conduct yourself in Business.
He also never sent out any invoices showing if he is registered for GST, which a business must do when trading in Australia.
You may not get your money back but report him to the links put up before, that is what this Benji is most worried about... they will bring him down.
Keep all your emails that he may have sent us ,to show proof of his Scamming ways.
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I paid through 'paymate' and have sent two email's requesting a refund and they haven't responded at all.

Anyone else, actually got a refund here?
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Hi homer343,

Like you, I've tried a number of WSOs. This is one that actually works:
http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...delivered.html

They got me on page one for 3 keyword phrases so far.
Hi there,

I appreciate your response on this one. I think I will just spend the next decade trying to figure it out on my own, as I fail to have much faith in most WSO's (sorry to those of you that do offer a great product, nothing personal, just beginning to get a nice chip on my shoulder from all the money wasted).

So, I heard from ben/beau/trevor/douchebag.....whatever his name really is and basically it was an email stating what work he had completed. Not exactly the 'report' I had hoped for. I have also not heard back from paymate at all which really 5hit5 me.

Anyway, this one has been one of the more frustrating lessons for me, but hopefully this will be the last time I get duped like this.

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I paid through 'paymate' and have sent two email's requesting a refund and they haven't responded at all.

Anyone else, actually got a refund here?
Yeah, likewise. I did ring them, and they promptly dismissed me and said that it all needed to be in writing (where I now assume they have endeavoured to ignore as best as possible).

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i have a screenshot of the page which says 30 days refund. helpful?
I think that would be very helpful!

Do you think you can post it here?

If not, could you PM me? I don't have enough posts yet.

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Old 08-07-2012, 06:03 PM   #765
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I think that would be very helpful!

Do you think you can post it here?

If not, could you PM me? I don't have enough posts yet.

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sure... here is the link for the screenshot where he says about the 30 day money back guarantee

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sure... here is the link for the screenshot where he says about the 30 day money back guarantee

screenshot.zip
Excellent! Got it. It's awesome that you were able to get a shot of the whole page!

In case anyone who downloads it is wondering, it's a bitmap file.
After unzipping, just add the .bmp extension.
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Unable to unzip since file name is too long. Can you rename it to shorter and attach again.

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Old 08-07-2012, 08:19 PM   #768
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Excellent! Got it. It's awesome that you were able to get a shot of the whole page!

In case anyone who downloads it is wondering, it's a bitmap file.
After unzipping, just add the .bmp extension.
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Unable to unzip since file name is too long. Can you rename it to shorter and attach again.

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uploaded again... have a look. the files inside are png's
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Oh no I paid him on july 12th via paypal. I lost my hard earned $97 to this bull s**t scammer.
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I just found out about this. Another 97$ waisted! I am about to give up this affiliate stuff.

Before this I spend $350 on a coming product launch which they cancelled too (Thanks to Rob Benwell scamartist)....Too much to handle
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Mmmm great Idea,

I should really stop doing affiliate marketing and focus on these scams. Pays way more
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I wrote in to my credit card company requesting a charge back/ credit on this transaction and they reversed the transaction. So looks like i can get my money back.

I reported this to them as a likely scam and they would chase it up.

Never use your Paypal Balance to make any payments , i will always now use credit card payment as hopefully the credit card company can always reverse fraud transactions.
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Hi Guys,

I managed to get a full refund for $150USD. I was emailing him on his Gmail account.

I basically just told him I would report him to the ATO because he did not provide an invoice and is unlikely to be reporting his income. I also quoted from the consumer protection in Australia that he violated terms and also his quotes from his original sales page with the money back guarantee.

Hope it helps.
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Hi Guys,

I managed to get a full refund for $150USD. I was emailing him on his Gmail account.

I basically just told him I would report him to the ATO because he did not provide an invoice and is unlikely to be reporting his income. I also quoted from the consumer protection in Australia that he violated terms and also his quotes from his original sales page with the money back guarantee.

Hope it helps.
Congrats! It's obvious he's scared because he knows he did wrong and also knows that no one here will hesitate to report him to the AUS government.
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I wrote in to my credit card company requesting a charge back/ credit on this transaction and they reversed the transaction. So looks like i can get my money back.

I reported this to them as a likely scam and they would chase it up.

Never use your Paypal Balance to make any payments , i will always now use credit card payment as hopefully the credit card company can always reverse fraud transactions.
You're lucky that worked out for you. In the past I've had visa refuse to do a charge back saying they cannot for virtual services, they could in the case of physical products only. So, I thought the smart thing would be to use paypal, paypal would refund if they can but since this guy cleared his account they will most likely tell me that they granted me the dispute but I can't get paid.

I think the lesson learned here is to never buy an SEO service unless its been around for a long time with good reviews.
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Hi Guys,

I managed to get a full refund for $150USD. I was emailing him on his Gmail account.

I basically just told him I would report him to the ATO because he did not provide an invoice and is unlikely to be reporting his income. I also quoted from the consumer protection in Australia that he violated terms and also his quotes from his original sales page with the money back guarantee.

Hope it helps.
Congrats! In what form did you get the refund? He previously sent many people, myself included echecks through paypal but they all bounced! Hopefully yours cleared! Please let us know the details of what happened.
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I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and stayed out of it, but now I see you are not working on the campaings anymore so would please like a refund.

Paymate Transaction ID: 19012258624

This was for the 20keyword package
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Elliot8, can you tell us which consumer protection in Australia clause that you quoted? I am going to email him.
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If you want to fill in a scam watch for this is the info you need to fill in:

https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/content...g/reportascam/

Name:Benjamin Trevor Grenier
Address: 45 Adelaide Street
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Phone number: +61 733243202
Email address:warrior@seolinkshark.com
Website:seolinkshark.com
Add in the comments his ABN number: ABN 98228254663

I know the address will be fake as he's a scammer but its the best we have and you need to enter it, anyone can fill in the form and it only takes 1 minute, it will help the Aussies gov shut this guy down and maybe put in the courts, as he's already on a knife edge for jail for priors.
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I've got a mail from Benji :

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Hi mate,

I have included a final work summary/report for you below.

I wish you all the best in your Future endeavors.

Thank you for choosing us and I am sorry that I didn't give you the results that we both were hoping for.

------------------

Report/SEO Link Summary From SEO Link Shark:

Total Links Created: 532

Article Links: 138
Wiki Links: 253
Social Links: 141

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So, it was the report...
I got the exact same email. Same numbers. They guy obviously just made up some figures and blasted them to all his accounts. What an a-hole.

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I wonder if the authorities are doing anything with this guy yet.
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Where is my refund? 1DX56490YW342483B
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It doesn't look he is refunding It sucks to get scammed like this. I have reported him and so have many others. Hopefully the authorities are onto him....
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I just got a full refund of $320 for 4 campaigns.
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I just got a full refund of $320 for 4 campaigns.
what did u do to get your refund? i hope he didnt just refund merely coz u r frm australia too
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I also received a full refund $168 ten keyword package
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I sent him an email two days ago threatening ATO and Scamwatch.

got my refund yesterday.
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never got mine.. paypal dispute went nowhere..
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what did u do to get your refund? i hope he didnt just refund merely coz u r frm australia too
If it makes you feel better.....I'm from Australia and have not received a refund.
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I take back my earlier comments. I received a full refund.
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I sent him an email two days ago threatening ATO and Scamwatch.

got my refund yesterday.

Where did you send the email to? i sent an email but it was returned.
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I sent it to: seolinkshark@gmail.com
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Thank you i will try that.
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I have also recieved a full refund- had to pay paypal fees on the $322 but that was okay after thinking my $$$ was gone.Good Luck on getting yours back.
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ok have emailed to him and hope to have luck in getting our money back
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I also received a full refund.
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why does he still have people posting this crap about refunds.. he's gone, no ones gotten any refunds.. maybe he's still hoping others will order by doing this???
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:15 PM   #799
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I too got refund. I paid thru regnow and opened a ticket for refund request and they reversed my transaction.

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Old 08-16-2012, 02:21 AM   #800
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I also got a refund from paypal, but still tossing up about going to his wedding anyway as its been booked.
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