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[rnjonjo]

Hey Ken,

very interested in this...

sending you a PM on here.

thanks.

[Andrew W Wong]

If you are on the fence about this, then I would highly recommend you jump on this now. In about six weeks, my brand spanking new domain has a PR2 with over 253 backlinks. For my primary keyword, I'm sitting on Google's first page out of 29.5 million (broad match). I will be the first to admit that I am a bit lazy and I haven't used anything other than Ken's service to achieve these results. Naturally your results may vary, but I am just reporting my own.

Andrew

[michaelmac]

Again, i'm seeing great results from Ken's program also. My site was nowhere to be seen on G, but after 2 weeks on the rotation the same site is now #7 on page 1 of G for 2.2 million sites (broad match); and #6 on page 1 of G for 1.1 million sites (exact match).

This project is all about teamwork in that you do your due diligence and backlink your allocated list of sites, and your fellow SB-101 members will look after your backlinks - great system that works!

Cheers Ken (and Brenda),

Best,

Michael

[jcbradley]

I wanted to give an update here, i have 2 accounts with ken and on my one site, i had a particular page that was ranked #8 after some initial linking and i have left it alone for several months so i wanted to use this page as a test to see what social bookmarking would do, well after a few weeks i went up to #3, and that is without any other efforts.

now i will start to use my other linking strategies and get it to #1.

this works but you have to make sure it is only one part of your overall linking strategy.

btw, my other pages have also increased in rankings.

Chris

[Eswar]

I used to get temporary boost in rankings in the SERP for the traditional social bookmarking service. Does this method give long term results?
Any thoughts and experience on this?

Eswar

[Ken Fry]

Members are seeing long term results. Maybe some of them will chime in. The original sites I used when SB 101 started in March 2009 are still going strong.

[tvanslooten]

Ken:

So this service has been around since March or so...is the group still going strong? Specifically, is the number of members growing and is everyone keeping up with their assignments? I'm definitely going to join no matter what because at this price it's worth trying for a few months. I just hope the group continues to grow and that everyone in the group continues to keep the system going!

Travis

[wolf29]

It seems to be going strong. I like it and have seen results from it. My sites have moved up a bit in the short time I've been with the service. Bookmark assignments are really easy and take about 15 minutes 3x a week.

[Ken Fry]

Hi Travis,
The original group was assembled in March. Based on the results we were getting and collecting the data in my eyes it had been tested and proven enought o make it public or a WSO in June.

The numbers are growing and the group is getting stronger. We lose a few members every week due to the fact that if you do not do the assignments your url no longer stays in the rotation. This is known as "The Slacker Check"

A new affiliate program and a multi account option has just been put in place. I believe this will help grow the group to new levels.

The members seem to stay enthusiastic because they are seeing some excellent results for only spending about an hour a week to get them. I look forward in working with you to help your site succeeed.

[truepers]

I joined Ken's group last week. I had published my first site second week of July. It got indexed by Google the day right after my site went through the first social bookmarking rotation with Ken's group, which was last Tuesday.

My keyword phrase is currently on Google page 25 (in the top 250 indexed web pages out of 600,000 for that phrase).

I also found one of the SB sites referencing my site on Google page 2 and two SB sites referencing it on Google page 5 for my keyword phrase.

This is a brand new site, with no other backlining or promotion other than an EZA article that just got accepted this week.

The potential for good long term results seems to be here. You put in your time bookmarking other people's sites (30 sites a week), keep developing your sites, and exploring some other ways to build backlinks in addition to keep doing your part in making this easy, but sound, system even more effective.

[Mark-Dickenson]

Hello Ken,

It looks like some of your potential customers would like a review

This is seriously one of the best investments I have ever made in my internet marketing endeavors

Every single site I have submitted has done very well. I just submitted one of my sites that is 3rd in google for an extremely competitve keyword(in the Acai Berry niche)...it will be number 1 within 2 weeks because of your system

Also, if you flip sites, this is a no brainer. I build a site in mid May...by the end of June it was a PR3

Site buyers love that

I easily recommend this to all of my customers...and even if you aren't a customer

Ken is a good warrior

-Mark

[vuedoolor]

Sorry for posting here Ken I will pm you my question about one of my url

[Ken Fry]

Hi Vue,
Got your PM and am e-mailing you the answer.

[iMerickz]

hi Ken, have just sign up and looking forward to setting up the link. just to check again, meaning we can only put up 1 URL right? and do we have to switch the URLs to be rotate every week or two? or can we just use the same URL to get more backlinks, etc? thanks..

[Ken Fry]

Hi iMerckz,
Thanks for signing up. You can have one url in the rotation at a time unless you open a Multi Account.

The info on changing out urls, best way to maximize the SB - 101 service, SEO Tips, Bookmarking tips and much more are in the forum. I strongly suggest going to the Forum and reading up on the tips. There is way to much good info to put on a WF post.

If you need any help you can contact me through the forum and my e-mail.

Welcoma Aboard!
Ken

[Alan Mc Donald]

hi ken, i am interested in your program

can you tell me will your program get me lots of different bookmarks from members or will it get me lots of votes for the same bookmark? say for example i put up a URL that is bookmarked with digg.com, will members vote for my digg URL or will each of the members give me bookmarks from different SB sites? hope that makes sense

[Ken Fry]

Hi Pattaya,

Not sure on the question, I will give it my best shot. Let's stay with your example of Digg.
1.You bookmark it with the tags etc... you want.
2. A Member goes to your url/domain and Votes/Diggs your Website/Domain/URL
3. Your site has then been Dugg twice... next member = Dugg 3times etc...

Make sense? Hope I helped you understand how it works. If not let me know.

Ken

[Mark-Dickenson]

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

Hello Ken,

It looks like some of your potential customers would like a review

This is seriously one of the best investments I have ever made in my internet marketing endeavors

Every single site I have submitted has done very well. I just submitted one of my sites that is 3rd in google for an extremely competitve keyword(in the Acai Berry niche)...it will be number 1 within 2 weeks because of your system

Also, if you flip sites, this is a no brainer. I build a site in mid May...by the end of June it was a PR3

Site buyers love that

I easily recommend this to all of my customers...and even if you aren't a customer

Ken is a good warrior

-Mark

Update to post:

So the Acai Berry site I mentioned above...it didn't take 2 weeks to hit number 1 for its keyword. It only took a few days.

It hit number 1 this morning

I was targeting a variation of the product name

Here is what is awesome...I also hit 1st page for the Product Name itself...which has 11.3 million competition w/o quotes and 660k with

I was wondering where all my sales were coming from and didn't even think the site would get on page 1 of Google for product name because I wasn't linking with that keyword in any of my other linking methods...so I didn't even check that keyword in my Rank Checker until today...and its on page 1

That explains my sales

Very happy about this

-Mark

[mostphere]

Hi..

Just to make sure, i need more direction...

I got many sites on the same hosting account, is this the way we determine that these domains are in the same IP which from these domains we could only bookmark one?

Please tell me

[Ken Fry]

The IP address refers to your PC IP address as provided from your Internet Service Provider.

The IP address your domain is hosted on is not a factor.

Hope this helps,
Ken

[mostphere]

The IP address refers to your PC IP address as provided from your Internet Service Provider.

That mean I only allowed to bookmark one site...

However, I want to bookmark my other website, how your service will help me to do that effectively and without losing its power?

Really appreciate your help

Thank you

[Ken Fry]

You can bookmark as many sites as you want. You can have one domain/url submitted at a time to bookmark. Most members change the domain/url they want bookmarked about every 2 weeks.

[mostphere]

Thanks Ken

I think I'm going to sign up

Thanks

[Ken Fry]

Mostphere,
There is a lot of good info in the Forum in how to really maximize this service. We also just finished some new videos that are very effective in helping you get set up. I will post them in the members area later today. If you sign up before then I will send you the links.

Ken

[mostphere]

Hi joined...

Great stuff...

Quick question, which you recommend most, bookmark the home page like http://domain.com or the inner page http://domain.com/innerpage? and Why you choose that?

Thanks

[Ken Fry]

Thanks for joining. Build inside out. yourdomain.com/inside
Build site strength, this is best achieved from working inside out.
Site strength beats page strength every and any day of the week.

Example: 10 links on 4 pages of yourdoamian.com/inside (= 40) will do far more for you than 40 links on yourdomain.com

[mostphere]

Thank you for the answer...

For site flipper that need only the homepage of the website achieving PR and backlinks it mean that it is ok to bookmark only the homepage, am i right?

[Ken Fry]

No, I really suggest you use the resources that are provided in the Social Bookmarking 101 Forum. Read the Guide, watch the videos. There is a Ton of information provided to answer your questions. If you get stuck you can e-mail me.

We could go back and forth discussing Bookmarking all day. That is the basis for the Social Bookmarking 101 Forum

[artlan]

I had a rather negative experience with Social Bookmarking 101. Normally, I would be too lazy to write such a long review. This time around, I am doing it out of necessity and out of the desire to warn other members. It is not that the service is bad; Brenda (the forum moderator) does her absolute best to answer questions. It is that Ken Fry (solderite) treated me with extreme disrespect, did not take the time to address my concerns and instead chose to ban me from the forums.

Here's my full review of Social Bookmarking 101, from the moment I heard about the service till the second I asked and got my refund:

When Ken Fry (solderite) put up his WSO I thought to myself, great another backlinking service that promises a lot but will deliver very little. As time passed by, however, warrior members reported good results, hence I decided to join.

After paying $17 dollars, I got the setup information sent to my email inbox. After reading it through, I understood the concept of this service and thought it would work wonderfully. As soon as I received access to the member's area, I soon realized that the entire member’s section was insecure (for example, I easily accessed the pages of the upcoming SB 202 service that contained how-to-setup documents, a sales page detailing the prices and finally the change url location). To my dismay, I also noticed that the entire forum was fully indexed in Google. From my initial understanding, it was supposed to be an area for SB101 paid members only where we could discuss our strategies, reveal our results and talk about the SB101 system in general. This was a concern to me for a number of reasons but mainly because I did not want any SB-101 competitors being able to spy and track the sites we are promoting, our nicknames, social bookmarking sites of choice and etc. In other words, I did not want the system to be compromised, nor did I want to be compromised myself for using it. So I made my first post on the forum, asking a question about URL rotation as well as writing that I had a concern that the forum was indexed and was made public. Ken Fry (solderite) replied with: "Thanks for your concern". Not understanding what that reply meant, I asked him if something was going to be done about this and Ken replied with: "No I have other issues that are more important than your concern". So that definitely was not a good start for me. I expected a little bit more respect from Ken, I am the customer after all. Now don’t get me wrong, I did not expect Ken to immediately rectify my concern; had he said something in the tone of: “we will fix this later/or this should not be a concern because this and that...” I would be more than satisfied with such a response (even though it takes less than 30 seconds to add the necessary permissions in the robots.txt file).

I proceeded with the initial setup and I downgraded my Mozilla Firefox 3.5 -> 3.0.11 (a requirement really if you want the entire toolbar set to function, not Ken's fault I know). After submitting my site to get approved, I received my assignment on Friday morning. I was very excited to get started and start seeing the results already.

After I completed my assignments, I went ahead to investigate all 7 Social Bookmarking sites that are part of the SB101 system. I will list my results below (these 7 sites are not a secret as they can be seen here: http://www.socialbookmarking-101.com/linkbuildingprograms.htm)

Backflip
Backlinks look like this:

http://www.backflip.com/perl/go.pl?url=8437603

So in other words, the backlink is an encoded URL.

Digg
Backlinks look like this:

http://digg.com/d310scv

So in other words, the backlink is an encoded URL.

StumbleUpon
Backlinks look like this:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/to/1W2DAi/www.presidiacreative.com/26-ridiculously-awesome-cg-portraits/t:4a879274ca222;src:index

So in other words, the backlink is an encoded URL.

Folkd
Backlinks look like this:

http://www.folkd.com/ref.php?go=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-celebrity-report.com%2Fabout-eminem.php

So in other words, the backlink is an encoded URL.

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Blinklist and Mister Wong
Backlinks on these sites are NoFollow.
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Mixx
Backlinks on these sites are DoFollow and are NOT encoded.

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From what I understand, encoded backlinks definitely do not pass any linkjuice, nofollow backlinks also do not pass any linkjuice (at least from my most recent experiments and according to Matt Cutts' latest comments). So pretty much only Mixx, 1 out of 7 sites provided a true backlink that was not encoded and was not NoFollowed. As I was reading through some of the testimonials given on this thread, I noticed that a few people mentioned that they have noticed an increase in their SERP positions from SB-101 alone. So I went ahead and posted my second post in the forum. In the post, I provided the above details about the backlinks being encoded and NoFollowed and asked Ken, how it was possible to gain better SERP positioning when only Mixx was passing linkjuice? At this point in time, it was my understanding that SB-101 would be great to drive traffic directly from these Social Bookmarking sites as our own webpages would be "dugged" and "mixxed" a fair amount of time for us to be featured on the first page of these Social Bookmarking sites. I still wondered, however, how the above social bookmarking sites contributed to better SERP positions. Perhaps what I learned about encoded URLs was untrue, that is, that they do not pass any linkjuice because our URLs are hidden. It made me think that perhaps NoFollow backlinks are still very powerful, yet this would go against some of the research that I personally conducted over the last few months. In any case, I made an innocent post asking Ken for some clarification and explanation as to whether or not these encoded URLs actually pass linkjuice or not. At this point in time, I was very interested in keeping my subscription to SB101 as I know that Social Bookmarking traffic, while inorganic, can still be very targeted and therefore very valuable; I acknowledged the latter in my post. I think it is quite important for me to mention that in my post, I did not attack anybody, I did not reveal any of the members' sites (I posted random links to showcase the structure of the backlinks). I simply wanted to get an honest answer from Ken and start a discussion about the linkjuice passed from the aforementioned Social Bookmarking Sites. What followed simply shocked me. I am still dazzled by the turn of events.

I went back to the forum to see if anybody responded to my post, only to find out that I was permanently banned. At first, I did not understand. I was never banned from any forums in my entire life before this incident. I started wondering I was banned by mistake. I checked my e-mail to see whether or not I got any notifications or explanations and it turned out that I did not. So I waited a little before e-mailing Ken and asking him what was up.

After getting a reply, Ken confirmed that I was banned. In fact, he concluded that:

"Your post have an alarmist mentality that is divisive to the group as a whole."

Hard to believe that my post would cause such a commotion. So I e-mailed him back restating my position. I wanted further clarification as to why I was banned. I felt that this was a very totalitarian action against a member who simply wanted to get some clarification.

In his reply, Ken stated that "several members, other forum owners, and a membership owner review your post before taking any action. Every single one advised me to give you your money back and ban you". This was a shocker. I still did not understand what it is exactly that triggered such a reaction. Just to reiterate, I was respectful in my post, did not attack/complain at any point in time. I said it before and I will say it again, I was simply asking a question and as a paid member, I was expecting Ken to provide an answer. When I pushed Ken a little bit more, he wrote that:
"The demanding nature to remedy things that were based on false hoods.
1. No SB 101 Domains in the forum
2. No e-mail addresses exposed in the forum
3. The lack of any knowledge on how the link and site structure works"


Well Ken,
1. I came across at least one domain name that is/was in rotation.
2. Fair enough, I haven't seen any. I can assure you though that they are not hard to get.
3. Is that so? Since I am so clueless, perhaps you should've taken a few minutes to share your knowledge and wisdom. Banning me is easier though, I understand.


According to Ken, he was "advised" to ban me as I was called too demanding and a "cancer" by his advisors. So if these advisers really do exist, I hope you chime in with your thoughts and criticize me directly so I would be able to respond.


I do realize that this review may not be popular as quite a few warrior members shared their positive results here, but I also feel that I had been grossly mistreated and feel like I had to share my story. As I started browsing other threads on SB101 forums, I noticed that whenever anybody had something negative to say about the service, or questioned some of the decisions that were undertaken, Ken would reply in an extremely aggressive and hostile manner. That is too bad. Your customers deserve better than that.

In conclusion, SB-101 was just an awful and a miserable experience for me personally. The service might be worth it if Ken or someone else can explain how 6/7 sites pass linkjuice. I’ll put it this way, if you are a member who will sit silently and not have any intriguing questions, then his service might be for you. On the other hand, if you intend on speaking out your mind, asking questions and expressing concerns, careful, you will be banned.

[wolf29]

You pose some good questions concerning link juice. I would think we would all benefit from some clarification on that topic. Don't know if that's all there is to it, but the banning seemed kind of harsh.

[Ken Fry]

Thanks for your post Arturo,
Out of 175 Forum members 2 have been ban. You do have the record of accomplishing this in less than 72 hours.

A quick review.
1. Stated that members were at risk to have thier urls discovered.
2. Members would be spammed as their e-mail addresses were public
3. Social Bookmarking 101 had little to no SEO benefit.

Followed by "I trust you will remedy these concerns"

I do find "Your post have an alarmist mentality that is divisive to the group as a whole."

Your concerns were all false. You had a choice to stay on and bookmark to get results. You chose not to and were refunded your money.

[artlan]

Not a problem Ken. You can be sure that I will be very outspoken about my experience with SB101. You called me a "cancer", well I might as well live up to the reputation you hyped me up to possess.

So according to you I deserved a ban for the following:

1. As I stated before, perhaps you should better scour your forums. You will see that a few people revealed their URL's asking questions. All it takes is for someone to find that page bookmarked, harvest the e-mail addresses and follow the trail to all the profiles. Not very hard to do. The fact that you went ahead and disabled the public viewing of the forum validates my assumption that you do share my concern.

2. I NEVER EVER stated that members' e-mail addresses would be spammed. As I stated on numerous occasions, my concern was compromising the system, the members and their sites (see #1). I could care less if people spam my tertiary e-mail address. You think I would register on such a forum with my primary e-mail address? Think again.

3. This is the most baffling statements of all Ken. I said in plain English that I wanted you to clarify how the SEO benefits are passed through if 6 of the 7 sites you work with are either NoFollow or contain encoded URLs. I think that’s a very fair question. One that you should not even think twice about answering. Hey, this is your service, you should be able to justify that it works as well as you say it does. As you would notice, wolf29 would like to ask you the same question. Are you going to ban him as well?

Unless you intend to moderate your forums with a tolitarian authority where people are not allowed to speak out their minds and express their concerns, I see NO REASON for being banned. None. Nada.

Your latest action, changing the forum's permissions so it is not fully out in the open to the general public suggests that you adhered to my advice and remedied my first concern. Good for you. Too bad you made a fuss about it in the first place.

Finally, remember Ken, you are not only delivering a service, but you are also responsible in listening to your customers, addressing their needs in a professional and courteous manner and making sure that whenever they have a question pertaining to the service, you do not hide behind your admin authority and ban people. You should rather try and help them out.
I am still looking forward to having you clarify the linkjuice dilemma, perhaps you can prove to me that my understandings and assumptions are wrong. I might as well get something out of this right?

Originally Posted by solderite

Thanks for your post Arturo,
Out of 175 Forum members 2 have been ban. You do have the record of accomplishing this in less than 72 hours.

A quick review.
1. Stated that members were at risk to have thier urls discovered.
2. Members would be spammed as their e-mail addresses were public
3. Social Bookmarking 101 had little to no SEO benefit.

Followed by "I trust you will remedy these concerns"

I do find "Your post have an alarmist mentality that is divisive to the group as a whole."

Your concerns were all false. You had a choice to stay on and bookmark to get results. You chose not to and were refunded your money.

[Ken Fry]

Arturo,
Your post here are full of the same dis-information that caused you to get ban.
Your opinions are just that opinions.
I believe the results members are getting speak for themselves.
This will be my last post addressing you as I am not going to waste my time addressing your opinions and theories when there is plenty of proof to back up the product and service.

[artlan]

You accuse me of dis-information and having the wrong opinion, yet you STILL failed to address the question at hand that many people would love to receive an answer for. This leads me to believe that you do not have an answer. Saying "it just works look at the results" will not breed confidence amongst your customers. You have definitely showcased your true colors Ken, again choosing to run away as opposed to handle this in a professional manner. Ultimately, this is your choice, your service and your reputation on the line.

Good luck Ken.

Originally Posted by solderite

Arturo,
Your post here are full of the same dis-information that caused you to get ban.
Your opinions are just that opinions.
I believe the results members are getting speak for themselves.
This will be my last post addressing you as I am not going to waste my time addressing your opinions and theories when there is plenty of proof to back up the product and service.

[Mark-Dickenson]

Arturo,

As a member, I would love to answer your questions but I have no idea what encoded backlinks are or anything like that

When it comes to SEO, I am a simpleton. I don't even look at my backlinks in Yahoo or the other backlink checkers. I only look at one thing...and that is my rankings in the SERPS

And I track them.

So after every single site I have submitted to SB101, it has risen to exactly where I want it to be. Top 3 for my chosen keyword

Because it is a monthly membership, I would cancel if it didn't work for me

But so far, it has treated me well

[artlan]

Hi Mark,

Thank you for your message. If you look at my post above, I defined what constitutes an encoded URL. So for example, backlinks to www.backlinkbully.com (this is just an example, please bear with me) will appear as masked and hidden on the Social Bookmarking sites. Examples would be:

http://digg.com/s310scv

http://www.backflip.com/perl/go.pl?url=8437603

http://www.stumbleupon.com/to/1W2DAi/www.presidiacreative.com/26-ridiculously-awesome-cg-portraits/t:4a879274ca222;src:index

http://www.folkd.com/ref.php?go=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-celebrity-report.com%2Fabout-eminem.php

So if you would observe, Digg and Backflip are masking your URLs. While StumbleUpon and Folkd redirect to your URL. Mixx on the other hand, will leave your URL as it is:

http://www.backlinkbully.com

Thus you will get that linkjuice that we seek.

From everything I've read, I learned that such encoded URLs do not pass any linkjuice to your backlinks. I might be wrong and that it precisely what I wanted Ken to explain to me. I never claimed that my knowledge was superior. I simply wanted some clarification. Instead, I was banned, called "cancer" and accused of having an alarmist mentality LOL. Is that fair?

I know that people gave absolutely glowing reviews on your Backlink Bully product, Mark. I noticed how much care you put in ensuring that your customers are happy, their questions and concerns are answered and that their overall experience is a good one. Good for you, if Ken had as much tact and professionalism as you do, this situation would not succumb to this. You have the utmost confidence in your product, you know it works and most importantly I really doubt that you would ever mishandle your customers in such a way.
I am upset and disappointed not because of lack of SEO results. In fact, I wasn't a member long enough to really see any results. As Ken boasted, it took him only 72 hours to ban me. I am mad because of how I was treated; banned without notice, was being rude to, called "cancer"...for what? For asking Ken to clarify the service to me.

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

Arturo,

As a member, I would love to answer your questions but I have no idea what encoded backlinks are or anything like that

When it comes to SEO, I am a simpleton. I don't even look at my backlinks in Yahoo or the other backlink checkers. I only look at one thing...and that is my rankings in the SERPS

And I track them.

So after every single site I have submitted to SB101, it has risen to exactly where I want it to be. Top 3 for my chosen keyword

Because it is a monthly membership, I would cancel if it didn't work for me

But so far, it has treated me well

[Jerry Mcvictor]

Hi Artlan,

as long as it's a 301 redirect you will get the backlinks juice.

Best,

Johan

[artlan]

Hi Johan,

Thanks. I will look into it.

Originally Posted by johan

Hi Artlan,

as long as it's a 301 redirect you will get the backlinks juice.

Best,

Johan

[Jeremy Kelsall]

artlan

I definitely think you have the right to express discontent if you feel that you were treated badly as a customer. At this point though, by continuing to post without offering anything "new" in your posts, it just feels like you are trying to ruin Ken's product.

I've used SB101 and had excellent results. My testimonial is on his sales page, I think. If you look at my posts on this forum, I very rarely leave a testimonial on ANY wso, or any other product for that matter, but my experience with this one was exceptional.

My experience dealing with Ken and Brenda was also VERY GOOD in the limited contact that I had with them as I never really took advantage of the forum setting.

If you had a different experience is is well within your rights to post about it seeing how you actually bought the product, but continuing at the pace you are going is only going to leave the impression that you are being vindictive and mean-spirited.

It didn't work out, you got your money back, you left a bad review as you should have due to your experience...what else is really left to say?

[artlan]

Hi Jeremy,

I have nothing bad to say about the product, if you read my initial post, I wrote how easy it was to setup and get started. As a matter of fact, I had very little time to test it out to say anything otherwise. Forgive me that I am bitter and upset over how I was handled, try to position yourself in my shoes, how would you react?

While I appreciate your response Jeremy, this was not a simple situation where I bought the product and was unhappy with the results. This is much more personal to me. I feel like I was attacked and mistreated way beyond the "norm". I treat individuals with the utmost respect and expect to be treated with care as well. Again, I will ask for you to place yourself in my position. What would you do?

I do agree with you, however, that at this point in time, I am not adding anything new to the thread, so I will refrain myself from posting for the time being. However, just as you reserve the right to continue praising Ken, it is well within my rights to continue relaying my terrible experience with him, not SB-101, to make sure that others do not get called "cancers" and accused of having "alarmist mentalities" simply because they posed a question.

Thanks Jeremy

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

artlan

I definitely think you have the right to express discontent if you feel that you were treated badly as a customer. At this point though, by continuing to post without offering anything "new" in your posts, it just feels like you are trying to ruin Ken's product.

I've used SB101 and had excellent results. My testimonial is on his sales page, I think. If you look at my posts on this forum, I very rarely leave a testimonial on ANY wso, or any other product for that matter, but my experience with this one was exceptional.

My experience dealing with Ken and Brenda was also VERY GOOD in the limited contact that I had with them as I never really took advantage of the forum setting.

If you had a different experience is is well within your rights to post about it seeing how you actually bought the product, but continuing at the pace you are going is only going to leave the impression that you are being vindictive and mean-spirited.

It didn't work out, you got your money back, you left a bad review as you should have due to your experience...what else is really left to say?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

artlan

I don't continue "praising" Ken. I paid for a subscription, did what I was supposed to do, posted my results here and havn't come back to the thread since. I don't recommend his product throughout the forum etc, nor do I try to force it on my subscribers - even though I did let them know about it about a month ago. I bought and reported my experience which was good.

You on the other hand, purchased and had a bad experience for whatever reason. It happens and it is admirable that you were willing to let others know about your experience as many people would just keep it to themselves and not make the issue known. I think people here will praise YOU for actually speaking up when something goes wrong.

However, how many times are you going to post in his thread with the same thing? You had a bad experience for whatever reason and you got your money back, right? So, it's not like you havn't been refunded. I agree that Kens customer service with you might not have been the greatest and maybe he did over react...but, you just seem to be vindictive about it.

You posted, he posted, you posted again and you continue to post the same thing. Ken has admitted that he banned you from the forum as he felt that you were not a good fit for HIS community.

I'm not sure what else you hope to contribute or accomplish by continuing to post the same quotes over and over again or what exactly it is that Ken to say to end the "conflict"? Maybe you can be a little more clear as to what the end game is for you here so that this can be cleared up?

[Doug D]

I think it was pretty obvious what Artlan's end game was....with his posts. And I'm sure that obvious reason is what prompted multiple posts. Isn't that the inherent nature of a forum/thread anyway? Why is this so different than a "angela" thread where you, me, and plenty of other people make many a post in a thread? It's not like Artlan just rambled on with consecutive posts, without any contributions from others in between his posts.

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

artlan

I don't continue "praising" Ken. I paid for a subscription, did what I was supposed to do, posted my results here and havn't come back to the thread since. I don't recommend his product throughout the forum etc, nor do I try to force it on my subscribers - even though I did let them know about it about a month ago. I bought and reported my experience which was good.

You on the other hand, purchased and had a bad experience for whatever reason. It happens and it is admirable that you were willing to let others know about your experience as many people would just keep it to themselves and not make the issue known. I think people here will praise YOU for actually speaking up when something goes wrong.

However, how many times are you going to post in his thread with the same thing? You had a bad experience for whatever reason and you got your money back, right? So, it's not like you havn't been refunded. I agree that Kens customer service with you might not have been the greatest and maybe he did over react...but, you just seem to be vindictive about it.

You posted, he posted, you posted again and you continue to post the same thing. Ken has admitted that he banned you from the forum as he felt that you were not a good fit for HIS community.

I'm not sure what else you hope to contribute or accomplish by continuing to post the same quotes over and over again or what exactly it is that Ken to say to end the "conflict"? Maybe you can be a little more clear as to what the end game is for you here so that this can be cleared up?

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Originally Posted by Doug D

I think it was pretty obvious what Artlan's end game was....with his posts. And I'm sure that obvious reason is what prompted multiple posts. Isn't that the inherent nature of a forum/thread anyway? Why is this so different than a "angela" thread where you, me, and plenty of other people make many a post in a thread? It's not like Artlan just rambled on with consecutive posts, without any contributions from others in between his posts.

Doug, fair enough - But, in other threads, people say different things, right?

You don't go into a thread and say:

You suck

Then come back and say

You suck

Then come back and say

You suck

Do you not see how that gets rather redundant?

He had an issue, he was refunded, he posted about his experience. At this point, Ken owes him nothing else and to me anyway, it appears that his whole purpose is to harm Kens WSO which is against the rules of the forum. His post describing his experience good or bad is encouraged by the forum, but to continually harass someone in a thread where the other person has made it pretty much obvious that they have no desire to have a conversation with you, is in my opinion in poor taste.

At this point, if he wants further answers from Ken he should pay for them instead of trying to berate him in his own thread.

[Doug D]

I hear what your saying Jeremy...I guess I just see it a little different than you do, which is good...as otherwise there would be no discussions, were all of us to see everything the same. My take was that Artlan wanted to make known what he felt was an injustice, but more importantly to him (perhaps), was getting an answer to a question that certainly seemed pretty germane to the service. I think it comes down too-was the question a reasonable one? Well, it certainly seemed reasonable to me. WSO's are full of questions and concerns...and many of them are from "pre-customers".
I get that this is Ken's WSO, and I have nothing against him or you, but I really can't relate to your suggestion that...that particular question is outside the topic of this service? He should pay for an answer to that question? I don't get that at all.
But, maybe I forgot my meds this morning, I will check on that post haste

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Doug, fair enough - But, in other threads, people say different things, right?

You don't go into a thread and say:

You suck

Then come back and say

You suck

Then come back and say

You suck

Do you not see how that gets rather redundant?

He had an issue, he was refunded, he posted about his experience. At this point, Ken owes him nothing else and to me anyway, it appears that his whole purpose is to harm Kens WSO which is against the rules of the forum. His post describing his experience good or bad is encouraged by the forum, but to continually harass someone in a thread where the other person has made it pretty much obvious that they have no desire to have a conversation with you, is in my opinion in poor taste.

At this point, if he wants further answers from Ken he should pay for them instead of trying to berate him in his own thread.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Doug,

I understand what you're saying, but I'm reading this guys motives a little different than you are apparently So, we will more than likely just have to agree to disagree

[Freeman77]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

...but to continually harass someone in a thread...

In my opinion, Artlan isn't harassing at all, and he's being pretty objective about his experience (after all, there is no denial on the part of solderite). You can tell by his tone that he's sincere, and not an aggressor.

He spoke his piece, which required a couple of entries, and then he has said that he's going to back off, but he still retains the right to post about his experience.

When reading this, it just appears that he's getting villainized, which is why I feel compelled to say something on his behalf. The man had some legitimate concerns, and said he was open to correction, and then he was dealt with rather severely. If you're treated disrespectfully and had your time wasted, it deserves a full disclosure to the forum, even if money is refunded.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

I understand what you are saying too and again I say I APPRECIATE THE FACT that someone left feedback that wasn't good in a thread.

My only issue is that he posted 3 times saying the same thing with a threat in the last one which said "it is well within my rights to continue relaying my terrible experience with him"

He had an issue and was refunded. I'm not sure what anyone else would expect Ken to do?. If Ken called him a "cancer" in his open forum for everyone to see, then I feel that the OP definitely has a right to be irritated and pissed off - He also has the right to express his discontent, which he did.

So, the run down again is.

He bought the product
There was an issue
Ken Sent him his money back

I guess I'm just not understanding where the discussion comes into play? I mean, can he comment on the effectiveness of what Ken is selling? Or is it OK to focus a gripe simply on the way that Ken might have spoken to him?

Ken is selling a bookmarking service - IT WORKS. Do the encoded links make a difference? I have no clue and don't really care. I pushed a site to the top and banked over 1K in a little over a week with no other linking but this service. Do Kens customer service skills lack a bit? Not sure, I've only spoken to him about the service 2 or 3 times with questions and was satisfied with the answers and his tone in answering them.

Either way, he can post in the thread as long as Allen allows him to do so - so, whatever myself or anyone else thinks is irrelevant. I wasn't trying to argue with anyone, as arguing with people on the internet is about as productive as whizzing in the wind

[michaelmac]

Originally Posted by michaelmac

Again, i'm seeing great results from Ken's program also. My site was nowhere to be seen on G, but after 2 weeks on the rotation the same site is now #7 on page 1 of G for 2.2 million sites (broad match); and #6 on page 1 of G for 1.1 million sites (exact match).

This project is all about teamwork in that you do your due diligence and backlink your allocated list of sites, and your fellow SB-101 members will look after your backlinks - great system that works!

Cheers Ken (and Brenda),

Best,

Michael

What can i say the results spreak for themselves. The site is still on page 1 and i'm still extremely satisfied. I for one have appreciated my sites boost in the search rankings!

Michael

[Palo Coyote]

Rule #1:
If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.

Are artlan's post the exception?

First disclosure, I'm a member of SB 101 and a friend of Ken Fry.

I am astounded: artlan says, " I have nothing bad to say about the product, if you read my initial post, I wrote how easy it was to setup and get started. As a matter of fact, I had very little time to test it out to say anything otherwise. Forgive me that I am bitter and upset over how I was handled, try to position yourself in my shoes, how would you react?
<snip>
However, just as you reserve the right to continue praising Ken, it is well within my rights to continue relaying my terrible experience with him, not SB-101, to make sure that others do not get called "cancers" and accused of having "alarmist mentalities" simply because they posed a question."

So these responses are NOT about the PRODUCT, the WSO, they are about Ken and artlan's customer service experience. And furthermore they are NOT about anything that happened on the Warrior Forum but rather about an experience that artlan had in a Private Forum. Yes, it relates to a product that was on WF as a WSO, still, it's a beef with Ken and Rule #1 says don't bring it here, with good reason.

artlan, you seem to be violating Rule #1, and you seem to be admitting that.

Pardon me but artlan has a concern with KEN, not the WSO.
Am I reading Rule #1 incorrectly?

artlan's posts seem to be a SELF ADMITED "problem with another Warrior". Not a concern about the product, WSO.

Palo

[Amitywill]

Originally Posted by Palo Coyote

Rule #1:
If you have a problem with another Warrior, a Guru, or God, take it up with them directly. Not here. No exceptions.

Are artlan's post the exception?

First disclosure, I'm a member of SB 101 and a friend of Ken Fry.

I am astounded: artlan says, " I have nothing bad to say about the product, if you read my initial post, I wrote how easy it was to setup and get started. As a matter of fact, I had very little time to test it out to say anything otherwise. Forgive me that I am bitter and upset over how I was handled, try to position yourself in my shoes, how would you react?
<snip>
However, just as you reserve the right to continue praising Ken, it is well within my rights to continue relaying my terrible experience with him, not SB-101, to make sure that others do not get called "cancers" and accused of having "alarmist mentalities" simply because they posed a question."

So these responses are NOT about the PRODUCT, the WSO, they are about Ken and artlan's customer service experience. And furthermore they are NOT about anything that happened on the Warrior Forum but rather about an experience that artlan had in a Private Forum. Yes, it relates to a product that was on WF as a WSO, still, it's a beef with Ken and Rule #1 says don't bring it here, with good reason.

artlan, you seem to be violating Rule #1, and you seem to be admitting that.

Pardon me but artlan has a concern with KEN, not the WSO.
Am I reading Rule #1 incorrectly?

artlan's posts seem to be a SELF ADMITED "problem with another Warrior". Not a concern about the product, WSO.

Palo

Artlan posted his review of the service of this WSO. I found
it to be objective and his concerns were reasonable.

He obviously found the service and his experience as a member to
be bad and he posted about it. Nothing wrong with that. Warriors
and potential customers should see the good reviews aswell as the
bad and this thread has both.

Personally I really like the service so far, don't have any problems
with it and see a lot of potential!

But some people here seem to be ganging up on Artlan and they need
to accept that he was a customer and has the right to post his review.

Just my thoughts.

Amitywill

PS: I'm a new member of SB101 and really like it so far. Looking forward
to getting some good results!