Lunatic SEO Specialist Leads Asylum - You Get 500 High PR Forums A Month For $20 !!!

[Steven Heron]

“500 High PR Backlinks
For Just $20 Per Month??

Well, Call Me Head Of The
Lunatic Asylum!”

Dear Warrior,

When it comes to the world of SEO you should ask any business for ....

P-R-O-O-F!

This industry is full of BIG promises and small delivery. I mean, how many of those so-called experts promising to rank your website on Google’s first page can really deliver?

Truth be told, these same businesses are trying to rank themselves and doing a miserable job at it.

So rather than make you any big promise I’ll just SHOW you the PROOF and you can decide for yourself. Shucks … The last thing I want to do is waste your time.

Case Study …

You are free to look up the who.is information for the website below to confirm these facts for yourself:

Website URL: frenchkissingsecrets.com

Creation Date: 2009-02-23

Page Rank: PR5 (update: PR4 after June PR update)

Google Ranking for keyword: “how to French kiss” #1 out of 19,000,000



Note that these are the results for a newly registered domain name after only 3 months of using my link package and it is ranking #1 out of 19,000,000 competitors! What’s more, this site is already receiving over 5,000 visitors per day from its Google #1 ranking.

And I could show you a ton of examples like this but because I work for most of my clients on a NDA basis (i.e. confidential), I can’t reveal their sites. But the above case study shows you a recent site ranked a PR5 (with all of its subpages ranked PR3) already receiving floods of traffic—PROOF that my package works.

Before we go any further, I think you need to know who is talking to you …

Well, my name is Steven Heron and I’ve been in the Internet Marketing and SEO field for several years now. For the last two years, I worked as a private SEO consultant in addition to running my own Internet Marketing business.

I’m paid $200/hr by online businesses who want to rank high in the search engines for very competitive keywords.

Some of the strategies I use are pretty straightforward and I won’t bore you with those details because you probably already know them. But I’ve discovered that offsite page optimization comes down to TWO simple strategies:

1. acquiring links from sites that are relevant to yours

2. acquiring links from unrelated sites that have high domain authority, or PR.

I’m sure that you are not surprised by the first strategy. Even marketers with the most basic idea about SEO know that the more high quality links you get pointing to your website from other related websites, the higher your rankings.

For example if siteA.com ranks high for the term “dog food”, then a link to your website dogfoodfacts.com is an influential vote for your site.

Now where a lot of people get confused is whether a link coming from the unrelated site green-aliens-suits.com which has a high trust and authority will pass on ranking ‘juice’ to your dogfoodfacts.com site.

And the answer is a BIG YES!

FACT: Topically UNRELATED links
from authority websites still pass
ranking value!

Now many people seem to think that acquiring backlinks from high PR pages is the ideal way to rank websites. But SEO experts know this is FALSE, as it's the authority of the actual domain name itself that gives the real rankings.

Let me put this in another way: Even if a SEO link package doesn’t contain pages with high PR they are still effective because it’s the authority of the domain that counts.

And what determines a site’s authority? The quality of the outside links that point to it as well as other factors determined by the search engines. All other things being equal, if site A has 500 links and site B has 50 links pointing to it that are all of the same quality, then a link from site A is more valuable.

But if site X has 500 ‘spammy links’, while Y has only 50 quality links pointing to it, then a link from Y is more valuable than one from X. So a website with fewer links can beat out another website with more links than you can shake a stick at.

Now before we move on to the more exciting stuff let me just clear up one other misconception. Some people are misled into thinking that automatic link building programs are "easier" and therefore "better" ways to do SEO. So, as far as they are concerned, any manual posting of links on forums is too troublesome and time consuming.

Frankly, this idea couldn't be any further from the truth! Automatic SEO methods are almost entirely worthless for competitive niches, and will not get websites ranking high in search engines under competitive keyword terms. You’re free to test those ‘automatic’ programs for yourself or maybe you already have and were disappointed with the results. Well, …

There’s a Better Way!

You don’t have to be in SEO for too long to know that there are some things you can discover only by testing. Of course Google will tell you what you ‘need’ to do to rank high but, whether they want to trick webmasters or not, sometimes the very thing they tell you to do gives the opposite results! Go figure.

Anyway, Google’s algorithms are top secret and every now and again they’ll do their famous ‘Google dance’ so websites that once had high rankings may fall off the radar for a couple days before they reappear.

Did you know that even your pagerank as shown in the Google toolbar changes only every 3 months? So the pagerank that’s showing up for your site is always outdated.

The bottom line is that the best way to know what works and what doesn’t for SEO is to...

Test, Test, Test!

And that’s what I’ve been doing for the past two years.

And here’s my conclusion: Over time I began to see that the most influential links were signature links placed in posts I made on high PR forums. High PR Forums are like gold mines because they are crawled constantly by the Google bot, PLUS they have inner pages with high PR (even if this isn't visible through the Google toolbar!)

Yes, I would make posts to several hundred high PR forums each month and just watch my client’s website rise like cream to the top of boiling milk for their desired keywords.

Now I must admit that this was HARD work. First, I had to research and find the thousands of high PR forums and, second, I had to make sure that these forums didn’t use the “NoFollow” attribute, (meaning that no pagerank or authority was passed to external sites from these forums.)

It didn’t take me long to realize I was wasting my time looking for forums rather than doing what brings me the real money, and that is marketing my SEO services and helping clients get high rankings. So the magic word became ‘outsource’.


I now have a full-time outsourcing team scouring the internet to find high PR forums for me. Now you know what they say in business: “It’s either time or money.” Because now I have more time to do the important stuff, but I have to shell out roughly $2,000 per month to my outsource team to find these forums for me.

How To Take Advantage
Of My Troubles

Well, as soon as you have one problem solved, up pops another. Welcome to life. Welcome to business online. But I’ve come to see each new “problem” as a new challenge instead. And this time around my ‘problem’ can be your solution.

How? Well, with the rising cost of my outsourcing bill, I thought I’d share these thousands of forums with the giving community here at the Warrior Forum for a small fee. Not only will this go towards offsetting my outsourcing bill, but you can also get access to the same resources I pay upwards of $2,000 per month for at an unbelievable 99.5% OFF discount!

Talk about a Warrior SPECIAL Offer!

YES! For just $20 per month you get …

A Brand New List OF 500, PR4+ DoFollow Forums...

… PER MONTH!

As you can see, none of these websites will have a PR of less than 4. That means every link will give you high authority

These are the same forums my outsource team manually post to in order to make sure the signature links are “Do Follow” links. So …

This is NOT Your
Average Link Package …

What’s more, this package is different from any other link package you can get anywhere else, and here’s why: These forums have not only high authority, but most also have inner pages with high PR (as high as PR6) on the individual pages.

So you’re not only getting a high domain PR, but a high “on page PR” as well. And these links remain as permanent links whether you decide to continue receiving my packages or not. You don’t lose your links like those “automatic” link-building programs you pay $47, or even $97 and more per month for.


PLUS, it’s hard to beat 500 links per month — and these are separate domains—not 10 links from the same domain as some people advertise in order to boost up the number of links in a package!



My link packages would never contain sites that are in Google’s black books or link farms or such spammy sites. All the sites you’ll get are ranked highly by Google and will help your site get ranked high as well. Plus these forums allow anchor texts for your keyword injection.

Note: The key to obtaining high rankings and keeping them is to be consistent. You want to make the backlink building look as natural as possible. This means if you get 300 backlinks from forums in one month, then you should get 300 forum backlinks again every month to increase and maintain rankings, and so to look natural in Google's eyes.

You’ll also get a short report with instructions on how to post to these forums in order to get the quickest results. So you’ll get the step-by-step instructions on how to get started right away.

“But Isn’t 500 Links Per Month Overkill?”

With only a small number of links (such as 50) shared among hundreds of people each month, link sites can easily get oversaturated with commercial links leading to two problems:

1. Links get deleted by site staff due to the sudden influx of spam,

2. The outgoing links of the site, being on lots of different unrelated topics, alert Google filters and devalue the outgoing links. Remember, all you need is 1 bad neighborhood link on the same page as your link to spoil the party.

But with my backlink package, you’re getting a list of 500 forums each month, with each forum containing thousands of individual posts. The odds of two people posting on the same thread on the same forums are vastly reduced, and therefore avoid these dangers.

So you may be getting a ton more forums than you’ll ever use, but it also keeps the value of the link package high because there would be less overlap in the forums that customers choose to use.

With all this value I know that some of you may still be wondering, “Well, why so cheap?”

The Reason Why …

Now I know this offer sounds crazy, but I’m only looking to offset my outsourcing bill and I’m not trying to start a whole new business. (The reason why I outsourced this stuff was to free up my time, remember?)

In fact, this offer is LIMITED to Warriors ONLY because I don’t want every Tom, Dick, Jane and Harry to get their hands on this valuable resource and so spoil it for everyone.

For sure, I don’t want to devalue the service that I’m already giving to my SEO clients who pay me handsomely for my services. I mean, why kill the goose that lays the golden egg?

That’s why I won’t hesitate to pursue, by any means possible, anyone who tries to illegally distribute these resources. Even if I have to expose them on the Warrior Forum and get banned! (Well, maybe that’s too far, but you get my point.)

But you know there are always a few bad apples who want to spoil a good thing for us all.

However, you’re free to share this monthly resource with your inner team members (employees) if you decide to outsource the posting to the forums.

Now You Can Open The Flood Gates
Of Organic Traffic!

I don’t know about you but I suck at PPC. I’ve lost a ton of money by paying for traffic to my site. I know PPC has its advantages because it’s fast, you can easily decide where to send your traffic and your website doesn’t have to be “search engine friendly”.

But if you don’t know what you’re doing you can end up broke in an instant.

With SEO traffic, or so called “organic” traffic, it’s free, your long-term ROI is mostly better so it turns out to be cheaper in the long run. You can also get a ton of traffic for search terms that would be out of your budget to bid on with PPC.

And once you get on page 1 of Google it’s easy to maintain your position, while your competitors empty their bank accounts trying to keep up with you by using PPC.

Here’s a list of ways you can use this FREE source of traffic:

• Do you have a blog dying from lack of attention? Direct some free organic traffic to that blog and see your readership multiply like guinea pigs in spring.
  
  
• Have a review site? Bump that site to the first page of Google and see your ClickBank checks fatten by the month.
  
  
• Get your articles some well-needed exposure and take your article marketing to the next level.
  
  
• Struggling to earn a decent Adsense income? The lifeblood of any adsense website is traffic. Boost your traffic and suddenly get addicted to checking on your daily earnings.
  
  
• Reduce or even eliminate that high PPC bill. Why pay for traffic when you can get it free?
  
  
• Build your opt-in list at lightning speed from the thousands of visitors a high Google ranking will send your way.
  
  
• Selling an ebook but your website not getting enough traffic? Now you can send a hoard of traffic to your site like a guru’s landing page on product launch day … everyday!

This is really Christmas in June. While many businesses are struggling to find the cheapest way to get traffic to their website in these tough economic times, you’ll be whistling all the way to the bank.

Get A BONUS Package
of 100 Links FREE!

Because I started this letter by talking about proof, I want you to prove the quality of my link package for yourself without risking a penny. That’s why I’ve decided to give you a package of 100 forum links so you can judge the quality and the results for yourself.

So you don’t have to take my word for it. Just click the link below to download this FREE, no-obligation link package containing 100 high-quality forum links. Test them out for yourself. If you don’t see your website rising in PageRank and search results then you can skip this offer.

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Here’s a friendly warning: Don’t let the low investment fool you. I’ve used these same link packages and strategies to place my clients on the first page of Google and even sometimes in the #1 position for their keywords of choice.

My clients are happy to pay me $200/hr to do this for them. But now you get the same opportunity for just $20 per month—a mere pittance if you asked me.

But as I said before, I wanted to give back to the Warrior Forum and your subscription will simply help me to keep my outsource team motivated and ready to find more high PR ranking forums each month. So it’s a win-win situation for both of us.

I’m only looking to make life better for BOTH of us. So please respect the conditions of this offer and DO NOT SHARE THESE REOURCES WITH ANYONE EXCEPT YOUR EMPLOYEES. That’s why if I find this offer to be too much of a headache for me I’ll have to pull it off the market and just keep on doing my business as usual. (Of course I’ll deliver what I owe to paid clients.)

CLICK HERE TO SUBSCRIBE NOW!

My point is that, if you don’t see the value of getting a ton of FREE traffic to your websites for less than the cost of a decent sized pizza per month, then let this one pass to those savvy marketers who can recognize a great opportunity when they see one.

But if you can sense the power of what I’m offering here then I say, “Let the traffic start rolling in mate!”


Steven Heron,

SEO Consultant

P.S. Nobody places a billboard in the wilderness. It doesn’t matter how great your blogs, review sites, articles and sales letters are, if nobody sees them then they are wasting digital space. It’s time to get a ton of traffic just like the big guys, but without breaking your bank account. I’m sure you realize your online business success is worth ‘risking’ $20 per month for. If not, why did you bother reading this letter?

CLICK HERE TO SUBSCRIBE NOW!

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[Sam101]

Thank You for letting us have your first list of 100 forums for free, really appreciate that. How do you recommend that this method be used, by using the sig links in one's own posts, or by making comments on topics with inline links to one's own websites? Will I be banned if I do this? Is it OK if I post relevant comments without links, but the sig link is to my site which is not really related to the forum's main topic? .......Just searching for ways in which this system can be used

[Steven Heron]

Hi Sam, not a problem at all =) And thanks for your interest in the package!

With the preview package, you'll notice I've included a full submission guide with instructions. But basically, the idea is to create a signature on each forum with a link pointing back to your site, and then make a useful reply to a topic on each forum.

A signature link will be separate from the topic of a post, and therefore if the post you make is informative, then there shouldn't be any problems, and you should receive the free backlink to your site.

Even if a forum doesn't approve of your signature link, or ends up banning you, there will be absolutely no harm done to your website, and you can just move on to the next forum =)

[zistix]

Hi,....quick question. I know this is limited to warriors, but will there be a limit to how many you sell? Hate to see these go by the way of other lists presented here on the forum.

Steve

[Steven Heron]

zistix, it's funny you should ask this, because I'm on the exact same wavelength as you.

Whilst I don't mean any discredit to any other package, one of my main motivations behind releasing this WSO was to have a backlink package that wasn't flooded with thousands of users, posting their links to each website and getting everyone banned, devaluing the entire package.

The reason I'm releasing 500 forums each month is to avoid exactly this issue. By providing more forums than you'll probably use, there's less chance of a forum being too overcrowded. Also, since I use these links myself, and my only motivation for this WSO is to lower my outsourcing costs, I'll be making sure that the spam doesn't get out of control.

If there's any indication that forums are starting to get too flooded with spam, I'll be pulling this package from all future customers, so that we can all enjoy the forum list together to its maximum potential. In short, once I can offset my outsourcing costs, I'll be happy.

[alfredv]

Hi Steven,

Interesting WSO. My problem is actually making the posts to these various forums. Can you suggest some good software that would allow me to post, monitor, reply, keep track of all forum activity, automatically logi me in/out, etc?

Thanks...

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by alfredv

Hi Steven,

Interesting WSO. My problem is actually making the posts to these various forums. Can you suggest some good software that would allow me to post, monitor, reply, keep track of all forum activity, automatically logi me in/out, etc?

Thanks...

Hi Sam,

There's no automated software that I can recommend to assist with these postings. The reason these sorts of links are so powerful is because they require manually finding a post and making an informative reply. It sort of gives you an edge over all the automated link building products which have very, very low success rates.

Since the goal is to only make one post on each forum (that contributes to the forum, and doesn't sound spammy), there isn't really much of a need to track any replies to the topic you post on.

When I want to, what I do to monitor my success rate is I keep a separate Excel spreadsheet of posts I've made (particularly for PR9 & PR8 forums). About a week later I'll check each link just to get a rough idea of what sort of posts "stick" and what end up getting removed. Through my experience, about 70% of posts will end up remaining, and 30% will be deleted. Considering the value of the PR you're getting, this is in fact very good.

I hear where you're coming from - an automated tool would make things much easier, especially with registering accounts etc, however I can tell you from experience that all of these tools (believe me, I've tried all of them, from Xrumer to the others) will have a low success rate. The effort of doing this manually really does pay off, especially when you see the rankings finally come through.

Hope this helps.

[zistix]

Thanks for the response. I had bought BEFORE you answered, but I was just curious.

I know you, nor I, was discrediting the other lists, it is just most of those lists are getting spammed like crazy, and hurting it for the rest of us. Just wanted to make sure this don't happen here, although, with 500 links a month, you are right, it helps spread the damage thin

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by zistix

Thanks for the response. I had bought BEFORE you answered, but I was just curious.

I know you, nor I, was discrediting the other lists, it is just most of those lists are getting spammed like crazy, and hurting it for the rest of us. Just wanted to make sure this don't happen here, although, with 500 links a month, you are right, it helps spread the damage thin

Not a problem Steve, and thanks very much for your purchase =)

[melanied]

Just bought. Talk about a no-brainer! I'm a sucker for backlink sources.

[scorpio9]

These are the type of WSO I like, great information, great price
Thank you

scorpio9

[JOHN_RODRIGUEZ]

Does the use of these forum links work for more competitve keywords? I know you said that 19,000,000 competing pages is "real competition", but most of these pages are not optimized for this term. When I search Google, it looks like only 1,670 pages actually have "how to frech kiss" in their title tag.

Thanks,
John

[Steven Heron]

Thanks for the positive feedback melanied and scorpio9.

John, what a great question. I dislike more than anyone businesses that advertise rankings under phrases that are useless and don't generate any traffic - it misleads consumers.

The main way I determine whether a keyword phrase is competitive or not are two things more than anything - 1) its search volume, and 2) its potential profitability. If these two factors are met, it's almost guaranteed there will be at least 100 other sites that are seriously trying to optimize for the term. I don't really rely on allinanchor: and allintitle: tags that much, since some "terms" with low search volumes will have hundreds of thousands of so called "competition" yet very few of those sites will be specifically devoted to targeting that particular phrase.

If you do a Google keyword tool search for the term "how to french kiss" you'll notice it receives 90,000 searches a month on average. The site is also ranking highly under a number of other terms containing "french kiss" and "kiss girl", causing it to receive 5000 unique visitors a day on average, many of which signup to the newsletter displayed. A product will be released on that site shortly which I know will generate a lot of sales, purely from its organic Google ranking. There is also some real competition in this niche, even if it may be limited to a few hundred sites.

I could provide other more competitive examples as well, but I picked the french kissing one since it was the most recent site I ranked at the time (under a competitive term in only 3 months). But yes, the package consists of the same forums I use to rank many competitive terms.

Hope this answers your question =)

[Sam101]

Originally Posted by Steven Heron

Hi Sam, not a problem at all =) And thanks for your interest in the package!

With the preview package, you'll notice I've included a full submission guide with instructions. But basically, the idea is to create a signature on each forum with a link pointing back to your site, and then make a useful reply to a topic on each forum.

A signature link will be separate from the topic of a post, and therefore if the post you make is informative, then there shouldn't be any problems, and you should receive the free backlink to your site.

Even if a forum doesn't approve of your signature link, or ends up banning you, there will be absolutely no harm done to your website, and you can just move on to the next forum =)

Don't want to nit-pick, but I randomly tried a few of the forums on the free list ( 9 of them), but many (5) would not allow signature links. Either the signature is not displayed in the post (even when you set the settings in the profile preferences) or it is simply banned by the mods. However, the 4 that I found which did allow signature links are working fine.

[Steven Heron]

Sam, could you please PM me the forums you had these issues on? Thanks.

[Joe118]

Thanks for this WSO, it's a good deal.

With that said, IMHO there are several inaccuracies and gloss-overs in your writeup.

First of all, subdomains have their own PR, for example the forum.piwik.org site is PR8, not PR9.

Also, the jury is still out whether the "general authority" of piwik.org transfers to subdomains. If it did, every blogger blog would rank as well as blogger itself, which is clearly not the case.

Third, in your guide you seem to say that threads that are no longer on page 1 of the forum do not get PR. If I understood you correctly to say that, then this is incorrect. These threads will have many incoming links from other parts of the forum (by reference) and will gain PR from that as well as part of the PR from page 2 or wherever they appear. Less PR, of course, than if they appear on the first page, but not totally 0.

This is most evident if you go look at one-year-old pages on a site like digg.com. A lot of these pages will have PR5 or more, even though they long ago stopped appearing on the first page of their category.

Finally, a question: will your package include each month two totally new PR9 forums, and so on for lower PRs? The initial package has joomlart and piwik, will the next package have two *different* PR9 forums? Reason I'm asking is I didn't know there's going to be that many PR9 forums that allow you to sig-link like that. But maybe I'm wrong

Thanks anyways, and I'll def give your package a try.

[Steven Heron]

Hi Joe, thanks for your feedback.

I do believe subdomains inherit their authority from the main domain, however they will not rank as well as a subdirectory since they're still treated as a new domain for "trust" purposes and hence will need to acquire trust independently. Once a blogger blog, on a subdomain, gains trust, it will typically rank very well, using the authority of Blogger.com as its powerhorse.

In regards to my comment in the guide about finding high PR posts on second and subsequent pages, you are quite right in saying that some of these posts that contain external and internal links from other pages will have a high PR, even though they're not on the first page of a category. However, the advice was given in terms of how to invest your time. If your main goal is to find high PR posts, then you're more likely to find them by manually going through each post on the first page of a category that was made before the last PR upgrade, than you are going through every post on the second or subsequent page of a category. In terms of time investment, this holds true, since most posts will only receive their ranking from the forum index, and the deeper they are, the less chance that they will have a toolbar PR (I do agree with you that despite what the toolbar shows, no indexed posts are totally 0, and that's why I like forums so much).

With the full package you'll notice I've included 10 PR9 links for this month. Each and every month there will be a brand new 10 PR9 forums, along with all the others. I run a duplicate link detection tool through each link list to ensure that there's no doubling up from month to month - every month will be an entirely unique package.

Hope this helps =)

[Joe118]

Guys ten new PR9 linkdrop targets each month! For 10 measly bucks! Is he crazy? This is the deal of the century. Need to put that nut back in his asylum!

Seriously, cant miss with this. Everyone should buy this.

[Sam101]

Originally Posted by Steven Heron

Sam, could you please PM me the forums you had these issues on? Thanks.

PM sent.
Thank You.

[Metronicity]

Yeah...alright Aussie. I'll give it a burl (as we say Downunder - where women glow and men plunder). Ten shekels coming your way.

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Guys ten new PR9 linkdrop targets each month! For 10 measly bucks! Is he crazy? This is the deal of the century. Need to put that nut back in his asylum!

Seriously, cant miss with this. Everyone should buy this.

Seems like you can recognize a good deal when you see one Joe ;-)

Originally Posted by Metronicity

Yeah...alright Aussie. I'll give it a burl (as we say Downunder - where women glow and men plunder). Ten shekels coming your way.

Ahh thanks Metronicity, I can now go down and get the next case of VB for the evening.

[Lukas]

sent you a PM..Thanks prospective subscriber & fellow lunatic

[Steven Heron]

Hi Lukas, I replied to your PM.

[theultimate1]

I have a doubt, put forth here in the form of a comment. Please feel free to clarify.

According to what I've read in various SEO discussions online, Google comes down hard up on both the sites (the forums and the site that is linked to), especially so if the two aren't related to each other. It's like doing "paid text link ads" and there's an obvious reason (Google AdWords) Google doesn't like it. This is usually the case when the forums are DoFollow forums. In case they're NoFollow, Google has officially stated that they don't follow such links, in which case the advantage of a forum's PR ranking won't help one tiny bit.

Coming back to my first point, Google has thousands of people who (manually) check the backlinks to a site (especially when the number of backlinks or incoming links to a site increases dramatically all of a sudden), and would discredit (in other words, aim to penalise) both the forum and the site getting links from the forum, if they happen to be of different niches or irrelevant to each other.

I may be wrong... So, a clarification on this is most welcome.

Regards,
SooRAJ

[Joe118]

You are right on some points and wrong on other:

* Google does not penalize the source site for having outbound links to irrelevant sites, especially if it is a forum, since most of the time the forum does not really have full control over what people are linking out to.

* Google does not penalize the site at which links point, because otherwise I could take down my competitors simply by creating a lot of backlinks to them from various places on the net.

* Google DOES pay attention to link creation "velocity", and creating many links all at once does raise a flag. However, the number of links you have to create before this flag is tripped is enormous, many hundreds of thousands. Google expects new pages to acquire inlinks at a high rate when the pages are about news stories, and in other cases. Its unknown whether these cases are human-reviewed, but I doubt it, since there are too many of them. Therefore the flag is set to go on at a hugely incredible number of links being created at once.

* Google does not have a secret cabal of link checkers. That would buy them NOTHING, and they're not into spending money for NOTHING.

* Google is always changing its algorithms, so what you read today may be wrong tomorrow, including any and all of what I wrote above

Originally Posted by theultimate1

I have a doubt, put forth here in the form of a comment. Please feel free to clarify.

According to what I've read in various SEO discussions online, Google comes down hard up on both the sites (the forums and the site that is linked to), especially so if the two aren't related to each other. It's like doing "paid text link ads" and there's an obvious reason (Google AdWords) Google doesn't like it. This is usually the case when the forums are DoFollow forums. In case they're NoFollow, Google has officially stated that they don't follow such links, in which case the advantage of a forum's PR ranking won't help one tiny bit.

Coming back to my first point, Google has thousands of people who (manually) check the backlinks to a site (especially when the number of backlinks or incoming links to a site increases dramatically all of a sudden), and would discredit (in other words, aim to penalise) both the forum and the site getting links from the forum, if they happen to be of different niches or irrelevant to each other.

I may be wrong... So, a clarification on this is most welcome.

Regards,
SooRAJ

[theultimate1]

Originally Posted by Joe118

You are right on some points and wrong on other:

* Google does not penalize the source site for having outbound links to irrelevant sites, especially if it is a forum, since most of the time the forum does not really have full control over what people are linking out to.

* Google does not penalize the site at which links point, because otherwise I could take down my competitors simply by creating a lot of backlinks to them from various places on the net.

* Google DOES pay attention to link creation "velocity", and creating many links all at once does raise a flag. However, the number of links you have to create before this flag is tripped is enormous, many hundreds of thousands. Google expects new pages to acquire inlinks at a high rate when the pages are about news stories, and in other cases. Its unknown whether these cases are human-reviewed, but I doubt it, since there are too many of them. Therefore the flag is set to go on at a hugely incredible number of links being created at once.

* Google does not have a secret cabal of link checkers. That would buy them NOTHING, and they're not into spending money for NOTHING.

* Google is always changing its algorithms, so what you read today may be wrong tomorrow, including any and all of what I wrote above

Thanks for your prompt response. It sure does educate everybody here a little more than before.

But, what about "irrelevant" sites? Assuming from what you wrote above, that shouldn't matter. If so, why is it that link exchangers always ask for related sites/blogs to exchange links with?

[Joe118]

I don't speak for link exchangers, so cannot say why they want to link only relevant sites. I'm *guessing* that they care about the audience they have and want to keep it, so they don't want them to see a hair transplant link on a toothache site

Forums are different. The content of the post is what matters, the sig is (USUALLY) a free-for-all area.

Sue, getting a link from an authority site in the same niche as your site is better than getting a link from an authority site in another niche. But a link is a link is a link.

Maybe I should post a thread about "authority" and "authority sites"...?

[John34]

Originally Posted by theultimate1

I have a doubt, put forth here in the form of a comment. Please feel free to clarify.

According to what I've read in various SEO discussions online, Google comes down hard up on both the sites (the forums and the site that is linked to), especially so if the two aren't related to each other. It's like doing "paid text link ads" and there's an obvious reason (Google AdWords) Google doesn't like it. This is usually the case when the forums are DoFollow forums. In case they're NoFollow, Google has officially stated that they don't follow such links, in which case the advantage of a forum's PR ranking won't help one tiny bit.

Coming back to my first point, Google has thousands of people who (manually) check the backlinks to a site (especially when the number of backlinks or incoming links to a site increases dramatically all of a sudden), and would discredit (in other words, aim to penalise) both the forum and the site getting links from the forum, if they happen to be of different niches or irrelevant to each other.

I may be wrong... So, a clarification on this is most welcome.

Regards,
SooRAJ

Steve,I would like to see your reply to it,i hope you can share your experience as you are using this backlink method from some time.

[tntrader]

That is the type of SEO "Proof" I like to see. Actually ranking for a term that is not only competitive, but actually receives a large number of searches.

Not this "Ooh, I rank first for the term Green Widget, which in Google has 322 million competing pages, but in exact search (or quotes) it only has 15,000 and no one is searching for it (except for me when I give this example).

I'll check out the free list and likely purchase. Great value.

Chris

[Steven Heron]

Wow Joe, you're doing all my work for me, thanks for that!

SooRAJ, what Joe replied with is correct, you cannot, under any circumstances, have your main site penalized for off-site link building. As Joe correctly stated, if this were possible, all we'd have to do would be to flood our competition with spam and get them in trouble, which thankfully isn't possible. For example, why would Microsoft.com be penalized if someone decided to bomb it with a million spammy links? They shouldn't be, and they wouldn't be, nor would any site be if the same thing happened to it.

Joe's right in saying that too many unnatural links may raise a red flag. All this would mean is that Google would manually examine the backlinks and possibly devalue them, they wouldn't penalize your site. For them to even do a manual review of actual backlinks, you'd need an inordinate number of them anyway. You could post to 5000 forums a month and get nowhere near this threshold, yet alone 500, high authority ones.

In regards to a team of Google employees manually checking sites all day, yes, this does happen, but certainly not in the number or manner you describe. These people are looking for on-site SEO foul play, not off-site SEO which is what my backlink package offers.

The manual reviews focus on examining whether a website has spammy content, doorway pages, cloaked links, and things like that. This is a completely different thing altogether from off-site SEO, which once again, Google will never penalize you for. To suggest that acquiring 500 forum links a month would be of any concern to your site is quite simply false.

I appreciate the need to be skeptical, and good on you SooRAJ for being so - it's better to be certain about something before committing to it. However I can tell you from my time working in the SEO industry, and ranking lots of competitive websites, that 99% of what you'll hear about SEO is myth. No doubt about it. Most of these "scare mongers" couldn't even rank their own last name in the SERPs.

You should take advice from people in the industry who can back up what they say with evidence, and with results. Lots and lots people will say duplicate article marketing will get your site deindexed - 100% false. Others will say that too many links too quickly will get you sandboxed - 100% false. These are all just common myths that people who don't know what they're talking about, for one reason or another, decide to spread. I'm guessing it's for link bait, or so that they can give the illusion that they somehow know what they're talking about, but I can tell you, that they don't.

So be rest assured, my backlink package will not harm your site in any way, shape, or form. The forums you'll be placing your links on are all high authority, and high PR, and will pass on some incredible ranking value to your websites.

One other point I'd like to clear up is in regards to relevancy. You'll notice in my WSO that I mention there's two crucial ingredients for a site to rank. The first is getting backlinks from sites related to your site, and the second is getting links from high authority sites, even if they're unrelated. Both are important, and should be used in combination.

My backlink package will more than satisfy your need to get links from unrelated, high authority websites. I do still recommend however that you acquire some backlinks from related websites as well, particularly if your niche is very competitive. From my experience though, relevant links aren't necessary for less-competitive niches. Is it controversial to say this? Absolutely. But what I say is based 100% on experience, and not what I've heard from anyone else that I'm just passing on like a parrot (unlike some SEO "experts").

The site used in my example doesn't have 1 relevant link. It's ranked purely from forums. The term is competitive, and receives some 100,000 searches a month. There's evidence for you.

I'm frequently in the SEO section of the forum, I highly recommend you read some of the discussions there. There are many misconceptions about SEO that many people have that should be cleared up, as more often than not these misconceptions lead to a general "fear of backlinks", and a mindset of "I shouldn't do this because I heard from someone who heard from someone that this will get you banned" and other things which can hinder a good marketing effort.

Sorry about the length of this post, just thought I would clarify everything.

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by tntrader

That is the type of SEO "Proof" I like to see. Actually ranking for a term that is not only competitive, but actually receives a large number of searches.

Not this "Ooh, I rank first for the term Green Widget, which in Google has 322 million competing pages, but in exact search (or quotes) it only has 15,000 and no one is searching for it (except for me when I give this example).

I'll check out the free list and likely purchase. Great value.

Chris

Thanks for the feedback Chris! And I hear where you're coming from, it seems "niche research" goes out the window with most SERP ranking examples.

[XRay]

500 high PR forums a month for $10? I'm all in.

[Joe118]

I do have one comment that I expect will become somewhat important to subscribers over the next few months. Steven Heron's "calculation" of PR is not correct when the forum is on a subdomain. Its true that e.g. the main domain is PR9, but the subdomain has its own PR and is "only" PR8.

To satisfy the strictest interpretation, I'd call these forums "forums on a PR9 domain", instead of "PR9 forums". That, as I said, cannot be argued with even if the forum is on a subdomain.

But that's all nitpickin' and the WSO rocks. Its a very good deal indeed.

And Steven, yes, my mom taught me well to recognize a good deal when I see one

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by Joe118

I do have one comment that I expect will become somewhat important to subscribers over the next few months. Steven Heron's "calculation" of PR is not correct when the forum is on a subdomain. Its true that e.g. the main domain is PR9, but the subdomain has its own PR and is "only" PR8.

To satisfy the strictest interpretation, I'd call these forums "forums on a PR9 domain", instead of "PR9 forums". That, as I said, cannot be argued with even if the forum is on a subdomain.

But that's all nitpickin' and the WSO rocks. Its a very good deal indeed.

And Steven, yes, my mom taught me well to recognize a good deal when I see one

Hi Joe,

Yes, that's right. A forum on a subdomain has its own individual PR, just like a subdirectory or page does as well. But the authority passed from a PR0 subdomain based on a PR9 domain will still be higher than if it was based on a PR0 domain.

I will clarify that the PR of the forums refers to the PR of the base of the domain itself, not the actual forum. However, many of these forums will have individual PR's, and categories with PR's, that are as high as PR9 as well (such as the Adobe forums).

The reason I've sorted the package like this, is so that you know the sort of "domain authority" you're receiving from your links. The PR of the forum is irrelevant, and I stand by saying this - it's the PR of the domain that will pass you your authority. But Joe is quite right in saying these are forums based on a PR9 domain, and not PR9 forums (well not all of them).

Hope this clarifies things.

[Joe118]

Thats a very fair reply and it definitely addresses my little nit Thanks!

As I said before, I recommend this WSO, and now WITHOUT ANY RESERVATIONS.

[GuerrillaIM]

This looks like a good package. Is there a quick way to find out which of the forums allow do follow signature links?

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

This looks like a good package. Is there a quick way to find out which of the forums allow do follow signature links?

Every single forum has been manually tested to ensure it's DoFollow. I give the outsource team a list of about 5000 forums, and they go through each and every one to hand pick those that meet the standards of the package.

[GuerrillaIM]

Thanks Steven. Signing up now

[jsmith2482]

Steven,
In your experience, how long does it take to post to each forum. I can see this being massive work for someone who does it by him/herself. Thanks

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

Thanks Steven. Signing up now

Thanks Guerrilla, enjoy =)

Originally Posted by jsmith2482

Steven,
In your experience, how long does it take to post to each forum. I can see this being massive work for someone who does it by him/herself. Thanks

I find it usually takes about a couple of minutes to register the account, confirm the e-mail, find a post, and then make an informative reply.

It will be unlikely that you manage to get through all 500 forums by yourself each month, unless you outsource. I think this is a good thing because it means that there's less chance everyone will be posting to the same forums, meaning you'll be more likely to find forums that are free from other peoples backlinks =)

Even if you only manage to get 50 forums done a month, that will still be enough for you to notice a positive benefit in the SERPs, so don't feel like you need to make 500 posts. The forums are just there so you can use however many you like =)

[anwar001]

Looks like a very good wso. I just love backlink sources and as such am in love with Angela and Paul's packets. I have 2 questions regarding your offering:

1. How much time usually it takes to see improvement in our site's rankings after using your packet? By using Angela and Paul's packets I have noticed my brand new articles getting to the first page of google within 2-3 days. I am not trying to make a comparison here but just want to know as I love fast results (read days or weeks and not months).

2. Are you absolutely sure that you can keep supplying 500 high PR forum links each month for many months to come? I definitely don't want the link packets to stop once I get addicted to them as I have to Angela and Paul's packets. However it definitely looks a tall order finding 500 links each month and that too from high PR forums.

[Alminc]

Steven,

There is no doubt this is very good wso, but how can I use
even 100 out of all 500 forums for posting? I have only 2 hands
and 1 keybord and few hours a day for my online biz.
I can not use more than 30 minutes of my online time per day for link
building.

Can you offer any outsourcing option along with this wso?
At least for the 60 forums with highest PR (PR8 & 9).

[s4nt0s]

Steven,

If I were to get about say 50-100 links outsourced every month, would I need to tell them to spread the submissions out over the whole month or could they submit all the links within the first week (50-100 links) without this being seen as 'spam'? I know google looks for consitancy so would 50 links the first week of every month be ok, or should we maybe do a couple of links a day for 30 days, etc...

Thanks,
Devin

[Joe118]

Devin I'd spread it out. Looks more natural.

[Joe118]

By the way, Steven also has a very detailed tutorial-type site where he explains nearly everything anyone needs to know about backlinks:

Backlinks For Beginners | How To Make Money Online

Good stuff, and please read before asking

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by Alminc

Steven,

There is no doubt this is very good wso, but how can I use
even 100 out of all 500 forums for posting? I have only 2 hands
and 1 keybord and few hours a day for my online biz.
I can not use more than 30 minutes of my online time per day for link
building.

Can you offer any outsourcing option along with this wso?
At least for the 60 forums with highest PR (PR8 & 9).

Hi Alminc. The aim isn't to do all 500 forum posts by yourself, but to only use however many you need to dominate your keywords. You may only want to use 60 posts a month for example (just all the PR8 & PR9), and in many cases that will be all you need to achieve top rankings with your keywords.

At this stage I don't offer an outsourcing service, however there seems to be a lot of demand for this, so this may change in the future.

Originally Posted by s4nt0s

Steven,

If I were to get about say 50-100 links outsourced every month, would I need to tell them to spread the submissions out over the whole month or could they submit all the links within the first week (50-100 links) without this being seen as 'spam'? I know google looks for consitancy so would 50 links the first week of every month be ok, or should we maybe do a couple of links a day for 30 days, etc...

Thanks,
Devin

100 links per month, submitted in the first week, won't be any problem at all. It wouldn't really make a difference if you spread these links out over the entire month, or did them all in a week.

Originally Posted by anwar001

Looks like a very good wso. I just love backlink sources and as such am in love with Angela and Paul's packets. I have 2 questions regarding your offering:

1. How much time usually it takes to see improvement in our site's rankings after using your packet? By using Angela and Paul's packets I have noticed my brand new articles getting to the first page of google within 2-3 days. I am not trying to make a comparison here but just want to know as I love fast results (read days or weeks and not months).

2. Are you absolutely sure that you can keep supplying 500 high PR forum links each month for many months to come? I definitely don't want the link packets to stop once I get addicted to them as I have to Angela and Paul's packets. However it definitely looks a tall order finding 500 links each month and that too from high PR forums.

Without giving me specific examples of competitiveness, I can tell you that getting an article to the first page of Google is incredibly simple, and you could do that with 10 forum links, or heck, you probably won't need any links if you're using a site that has authority (such as Goarticles, Squidoo, Ezine, Hubpages etc). However, getting an article on the first page of Google under a competitive term that receives real searches (such as in my example) is what will take a couple of months.

I can assure you that the links from these forums are as good quality as any other backlink package out there, and will rank you under obscure terms in a couple of days, but that isn't really anything fancy, and doesn't make you any money. If you use my package to target proper competitive terms that are actually searched for, you should be ranking under them in a couple of months.

I personally hate it how so many people and businesses advertise first page rankings on Google, yet no one does a Google Keyword Tool search to see how many actual searches those terms are receiving.

"How to bake a banana cake" is a useless term, just as is "how to seduce your ex girlfriend". Do a search in the Google keyword tool and see how many actual searches those terms get. Not much is it? You could rank number #1 under both of those terms in a week with almost no effort, but you'd be lucky to make a dollar.

Sorry for ranting, I'm just tired of the conning that goes on in this industry.

To answer your second question, yes, I'll be doing my hardest to make sure I can keep up my commitment of providing 500 new forums a month, and believe me, it's not cheap. That's why I'm hoping we can all chip in $10 each, to receive these top quality forums each month - forums we'd normally have to pay thousands for.

I just thought I should say this - this isn't a hyped product, this isn't any secret I'm "cashing in" on and selling. This is a list of hundreds and hundreds of man hours worth of forum finding each month, for just $10. If you're serious about backlinking then trust me - this package will help you a lot, and will allow you to find links that would otherwise have cost a lot, lot more.

[adam westrop]

Oh my word....Am I reading this right?

We get 500 high PR dofollow forum locations each month?!?! How can there be that many high PR forums out there.

Great idea though, as forums get crawled all the time!! The problem with Angelas links is not all of them getting indexed and recognised.

[Steven Heron]

Originally Posted by adam westrop

Oh my word....Am I reading this right?

We get 500 high PR dofollow forum locations each month?!?! How can there be that many high PR forums out there.

Great idea though, as forums get crawled all the time!! The problem with Angelas links is not all of them getting indexed and recognised.

Hi Adam,

That's exactly right =)

500 manually picked, DoFollow forums, each and every month. Which, as you say, have the benefit of being actually indexed without requiring extra work.

The reason I've decided to release so many forums is to avoid the flooding of forums by many people. With 500 forums, the backlinking is spread thin, and everyone can benefit.

[adam westrop]

WOW! Checked PR of some of the sites and it is all legit.

This seems like an awesome deal.

I will report back soon.

Adam

[John Sullivan]

Hi Steven,

Looks like a great offer, I know though from experience that posting links on most of the high PR forums as you have stated is quite difficult as the posts get deleted usually. I know you are offering a lot of forums to post on but do you have any tips for getting links to stay on the high PR forums?

Thanks,

John