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Unread 10th September 2010, 02:45 PM   #1
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Home Page: www.spinnerchief.com

SpinnerChief is the latest product from WhiteHatAutomation.com, the people who brought you Content Hurricane
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There is no help file or instruction manual, we have made SpinnerChief so easy to use that you will be spinning articles straight out of the box.
***You need unique content. SpinnerChief is the fastest, easiest way to create that content. Download it NOW!***

http://download.spinnerchief.com/spinnerchief.zip



How much? It's FREE to all members. Yes, FREE! No strings! No limitations, no "Lite" version - 100% working and FREE!
Why? .....because we are such NICE guys
When you open SpinnerChief for the first time you will be given an option to register. There is no need to register, SpinnerChief will work just as well without it, but if you register you will automatically receive all future updates.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF SPINNERCHIEF!
Just because it is FREE does not mean it is crap.
** SpinnerChief has a very powerful user-defined thesaurus
** SpinnerChief is Very EASY to use and very FAST.
** With SpinnerChief your thesaurus is local - on your hard drive, so you can modify it or create your own thesaurus from scratch.
** That means SpinnerChief does not need to connect to a network in order to work.
** Because the SpinnerChief thesaurus is stored on YOUR hard drive, you can share your thesaurus file with other users, or copy it to other computers if you wish.
** ....and did we mention, SpinnerCHief is FREE? So get it NOW before we decide to stop giving it away!

Please write your comments and support requests in this thread. If you really need to contact us you can get help from support@spinnerchief.com
Now fly away my precious Warriors, and spin...spin...SPIN!

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Because SpinnerChief is such a high quality application, better and more powerful than many other spinners, then obviously it is going to affect the business of other, less powerful commercially available spinners. On the net a pattern has emerged of certain people stating that SpinnerChief is malware. We understand their motives, they want to protect their business, however in our opinion, spreading outright lies about your competitor(s) and their products is not the right way to go about this.

We assure you that SpinnerChief was, is and always will be completely safe to use on your computer. We have produced quality software for many years, and we would not be so stupid as to compromise our reputation and our business by releasing software that compromises our own customers' security. We even registered the domain spinnerchief.com, if SpinnerChief was malware we would be risking legal action.

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Unread 10th September 2010, 09:55 PM   #2
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Thanks for free WSO.
I have just downloaded and have installed it. Works fine.
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Unread 10th September 2010, 10:13 PM   #3
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HO!HO!

Not the best start. I've clicked on your link(home page) and I am redirected to http://blackhatautomation.com/blog/ .
White hat software and black hat website?

Ok I find it more fun than anything else.

Can you explain what we should expect and see the real home page?

Thanks for your time

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Thanks for the free software. Hope to put it to good use soon.
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HO!HO!

Not the best start. I've clicked on your link(home page) and I am redirected to http://BlueFartautomation.com/blog/ .
White hat software and black hat website?

Ok I find it more fun than anything else.

Can you explain what we should expect and see the real home page?

Thanks for your time

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Sorry, you clicked on what link exactly please? Where is the link?
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...... Can you explain what we should expect and see the real home page......
What you should expect from the software? Something similar to - but better than - The Best Spinner.
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i feel uncomfortable about being directed to a black hat website
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thanks, will give it a try
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i feel uncomfortable about being directed to a black hat website
Not sure what was happening there but all is well now.
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Wow

Seems like certain people out there are determined to stop SpinnerChief making any sort of impression on the market!!! I read a lot of the thread at another forum where people were saying how amazing this software is but certain people put out virus warnings which were eventually proven unfounded - still stopped you from distributing your software though

That BlueFartAutomation link is complete BS - that domain isn't even registered!!

I have just downloaded thanks and will take a look later. From what I've read elsewhere this is a serious rival to TheBestSpinner and it's free!!

Thanks for the freebie, it's really appreciated.

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Wow

Seems like certain people out there are determined to stop SpinnerChief making any sort of impression on the market!!! I read a lot of the thread at another forum where people were saying how amazing this software is but certain people put out virus warnings which were eventually proven unfounded - still stopped you from distributing your software though

That BlueFartAutomation link is complete BS - that domain isn't even registered!!

I have just downloaded thanks and will take a look later. From what I've read elsewhere this is a serious rival to TheBestSpinner and it's free!!

Thanks for the freebie, it's really appreciated.

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Thanks for your kind comments Phil, to be fair, that is a WF filter. WF does not allow the word Blаcĸһаt. However, all links have been fixed now, and you are correct about it being a serious rival to TBS, we are working on some updates that will make SpinnerChief even more powerful.
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is this wares free? so no adverts or anything?
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is this wares free? so no adverts or anything?
100% free, 100% full version, 100% ad-free.
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HaHa

I didn't realise that about the Warrior Forum filter

Will be testing it out later anyway - sounds like it is really good from what was said elsewhere by a lot of people!
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I downloaded my copy. thanks
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Works nicely with a pretty good synonym list. Scanned it with three different programs including Malwarebytes and no issues.
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Works well..Agree that the synonym list is pretty good.

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Hi AJ

Firstly, many thanks for what appears to be a very effective spinner.

I have also read the posts on another forum regarding this spinner. I think it may help if you mention how giving this away, along with updates, works as part of your business plan. I have no idea how you stand to benefit from giving this away (but am thankful that you are)

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Hi AJ

Firstly, many thanks for what appears to be a very effective spinner.

I have also read the posts on another forum regarding this spinner. I think it may help if you mention how giving this away, along with updates, works as part of your business plan. I have no idea how you stand to benefit from giving this away (but am thankful that you are)

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You're welcome.
The plan for SpinnerChief is simply to enhance our reputation. We have invested in our company and expanded it. Soon we will have many new products and services as a result of the expansion, and when we want to release them to a public that already knows and trusts us.

Unfortunately, none of us foresaw the problems that would arise as a result of the release of SpinnerChief. We knew it was a powerful piece of kit, but we did not plan for sabotage from competitors, and so - initially at least - our reputation was in fact harmed, not enhanced. This is very hurtful when you have spent a lot of time and effort on a project like SpinnerChief.

However in time SpinnerChief will prove to be the Internet Marketer's first choice of tools in regards to content, and the false accusations will eventually end up where they belong - in the trash can.

I hope that answers your questions - please post again if not.

p.s. we are working on some great updates that will be ready in a few days.
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I am using MAR, bought it 3 weeks ago and plan to use this one as well. Do I need a install/activation key or register for this to work?

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Nope, download and run. That's all - although we advise that you register so that you can get automatic updates.
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Thank you for this spinner. I was looking for one.
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Hi guys, SpinnerChief updates are here, please open the software to update automatically. (need to be registered to get updates)

Fixed:
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Duplicate spun articles on autospin.
Unwanted spaces in spun articles.
Inability to spin some imported formats such as ultra spinnable.
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0. Calculate the similarity among spun articles to get a a clear picture if they are unique enough to use. (our solution the "unique from each other" problem)
1. Import synonyms from text files with multiple formats.
2. Get synonyms from from Google Adwords.
4. Keep the original article word in a different colour.
5. Protected Words function to prevent important keywords from being spun.
6. "Uniqueness" percentage indicator.
7. "Apply to all" function (default). User now has the option to apply synonym additions to multiple instances of the same word.
8. Option to exclude the original word from the spun article.
9. Auto add hyperlink for keywords.
10. Spin Frequency function. User can choose to spin only every 3rd word, or every 4th word etc.
11. Undo function.
12. Open and save articles from/to files
13. Html preview fter spinning.
14. Spin article to {word|phrase} format.
15. Flat spin - remove nested spinning.
16. Search and replace function.

Coming soon:
Post spun articles to your blog directly from SpinnerChief.
Share and use other users' synonyms.

Please, test the new functions and let us know if there are any problems, and how thay can be improved.
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Thanks for the great share,going to download and join
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Some people are telling that you are stealing their paypal passwords with your app.

Can you please comment on this:

The Best Spinner - How does it work for you?

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Some people are telling that you are stealing their paypal passwords with your app.

Can you please comment on this:

The Best Spinner - How does it work for you?

Those are strong accusations aj113. No comment? I am going to put mine a VM, I am not smart enough to run the sandbox thing though.

PayPal cookies.......Don't people use the secure pass? 5.00 for life and a new code generates every 30 seconds.
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Some people are telling that you are stealing their paypal passwords with your app.

Can you please comment on this:.........
Did you actually read the opening post? This old chestnut has been answered and resolved time and time again, not just on this forum but all over the net on multiple forums.

What are your own motives for posting here? I see that your post gives you a nice backlink to your own site, or maybe you are another competitor worried about the harm that SpinnerChief can do to your business?
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Those are strong accusations aj113. No comment? .....
Yes I have a comment. Anyone can write whatever they like on the internet, especially those who have a not-so-hidden agenda.

SpinnerChief already has thousands of users, it is crushing the competition because it is so powerful, and of course because it is FREE.

Not one single user has had any problem at all as a result of downloading and/or using SpinnerChief.
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Seems like safe to me.

VirusTotal - Free Online Virus, Malware and URL Scanner

But, still, I won't install SC.

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I have just spent the best part of an hour reading a thread on another forum concerning
the accusation levelled at Spinnerchief.

to sum up

-somebody found something odd about the software and posted their findings.
-the mods were not able to reach the person who had posted the software , so in precaution removed the download and banned the poster
-the author of the software came on the thread to explain and defend his software
-The banned poster was reinstated
-many people, after thorough analysis (more than I could do myself) declared the software to be safe.
- A few possible issues were raised but hotly debated
- A consensus throughout was that one should run it (as well as most software) with sandboxie or VMware
- Moderator has closed the thread and stated that the product would not be made available to the forum, moderator praised author and poster of the software for their diligent handling of the issue and wished them good luck with all their products.


So, my personal thoughts on this is:

You download things at your peril , if you do not know how to setup layered security for your PC , then you have only yourself to blame, you need to know this or pay someone to do it for you. It's your responsibility, no one else.
I have preconised the use of sandboxie in other threads, I will do it again now
Sandboxie - Sandbox software for application isolation and secure Web browsing

I'll be trying it later.

Hope this helps
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I ran the software through Norton file insight and there is less than 10 Norton Users which leads me to believe this software is not in use by thousands, hundreds maybe but I am doubting thousands. According to Norton this file has been available for less than 30 days.

As I stated above I would attempt t install the software on a VM and test it out. On both Vista and XP it requires you to give full system admin privalages, not just user admin privalages. Which is not saying this is malware just questionable.

What stopped me from finishing the install:
  1. I noticed it came pre packaged with an updater = Stop Sign #1
  2. The full system admin (Vista Maybe not XP) = Stop Sign #2
  3. When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3
Again I am not saying malware, I am saying difficult unsecured install and usage. Maybe offer this software as beta until you can get your programmers to work out kinks like this?

Just because your software doesn't have any visible bugs or vulnerabilities doesn't mean it doesn't make other common windows programs vulnerable or buggy. Running your software under these conditions is dangerous to others and your company.

what in the software absolutely requires full system admin privileges?
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Dont walk....RUN AWAY!
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Did you actually read the opening post? This old chestnut has been answered and resolved time and time again, not just on this forum but all over the net on multiple forums.

What are your own motives for posting here? I see that your post gives you a nice backlink to your own site, or maybe you are another competitor worried about the harm that SpinnerChief can do to your business?
Umm... his motives are that he is concerned about the community and doesn't want anyone to have anything bad happen to them.
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Presumably you have evidence to support your views? After all you don't want the members to think that you're a just a brainless idiot spouting off for no good reason on somebody's paid WSO thread do you?
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Umm... his motives are that he is concerned about the community and doesn't want anyone to have anything bad happen to them.
Umm...maybe he is better placed to tell us himself, bearing in mind that nothing 'bad' has ever happened to anybody as a result of using SpinnerChief.

To me it looks like his motives are that he is going to lose business as a result of SpinnerChief's success, and he is deperately trying to avoid this.
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well thanks big daddy, i guess where there is smoke there is fire....

i had been ready to disregard the naysayers cause i thought the idea of competitors being hateful sounded too true. And no one had come up with any solid concrete evidence of any problems......

well now there is some solid evidence, the full admin rights is a scary thought. so I guess I will just leave spinner chief alone for now, i got plenty to do anyway...

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  1. I noticed it came pre packaged with an updater = Stop Sign #1
  2. The full system admin (Vista Maybe not XP) = Stop Sign #2
  3. When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3
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Man are you serious? You think it is suspicious that software updates automatically? Better check all of the other software on your computer then, you may find that it is suspicious too!

About the full admin rights. SC was written using a vista machine, using visual Studio 2008 on full admin rights. Because of this the exe was compiled to a full rights exe. In fact, SC doesn't really need full rights in order to run.
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I ran the software through Norton file insight and there is less than 10 Norton Users which leads me to believe this software is not in use by thousands, hundreds maybe but I am doubting thousands. According to Norton this file has been available for less than 30 days.

As I stated above I would attempt t install the software on a VM and test it out. On both Vista and XP it requires you to give full system admin privalages, not just user admin privalages. Which is not saying this is malware just questionable.

What stopped me from finishing the install:
  1. I noticed it came pre packaged with an updater = Stop Sign #1
  2. The full system admin (Vista Maybe not XP) = Stop Sign #2
  3. When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3
Again I am not saying malware, I am saying difficult unsecured install and usage. Maybe offer this software as beta until you can get your programmers to work out kinks like this?

Just because your software doesn't have any visible bugs or vulnerabilities doesn't mean it doesn't make other common windows programs vulnerable or buggy. Running your software under these conditions is dangerous to others and your company.

what in the software absolutely requires full system admin privileges?

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I don't understand your post , at face value I would say it is designed to spread FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt):

Could you explain to me why having an updater in the software is a warning sign. all , if not most software have self update facility, why having one in this is a problem?

Admin privileges: yes, I can see why you may not find their programming elegant, but again many thousands of software are poorly programmed to make them use full privilege as oppose to user privileges, do you install on your machine only software with user privileges?

automatic update: the software ask you if you want to update, there is a clear yes/no dialogue, if you say no it launches without updating, your turn of phrase ("When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3 implies that it automatically update wether you want it or not.That is not my experience of using it. Please explain or clarify your experience.


"I am saying difficult unsecured install and usage"

What the hell do you mean difficult install?

-double click spinnerchief.exe
-decide wether you want the update or not
-decide wether you want to godirectly to the software or register for free

How could that possibly by difficult?

Just because your software doesn't have any visible bugs or vulnerabilities doesn't mean it doesn't make other common windows programs vulnerable or buggy. Running your software under these conditions is dangerous to others and your company.

That statement above is true for any piece of software why bring this in the equation for that particular software?

You say "I am not saying it's malware", but that statement surrounded by the other ones you make , has the the effect of causing FUD , yet I find your reasons for being wary of this software, underwhelming at best . Having spent over an hour on a huge thread where many people did thorough analysis of this software and found it to be as clean as it could be, I find your analysis miserly and possibly misleading. And I am calling you on it, I look forward to a debrief of your VM ware session and your findings.



Now for something completely different....Is it better than TBS?

Now having said all that and having tried the software , my opinion is that it is nowhere near as the best Spinner in terms of functionality, don't get me wrong, you can get synonyms (only as good as your thesaurus) and you can spin articles, but when it comes to rewriting content (the classic rewrite paragraph 5 times, rewrite each sentence five times and then select appropriate synonyms in each sentence) The chief spinner is completely lacking the tools that enable you to do this efficiently in TBS. I am not saying that it will never have as good functionality but right now it doesn't.


AJ113 I have seen your post on other forums and you are perfectly entitled to say that you think that it is better than TBS or that you are "crushing it" or even that Thousands of user are using it....I just don't think it's as functional as TBS yet.


To conclude , it is free, if you know the quality of spinned article that you need and this software provides it then you have yourself a sweet deal.

If you need a more sophisticated level of Spin then TBS is a better choice, with more functionality now, but it costs.


I hope this helps
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Umm... his motives are that he is concerned about the community and doesn't want anyone to have anything bad happen to them.
Umm...I just received this pm. The author has given permission to post but wishes to remain anonymous:

Hi buddy,
I have download your program spinnerchief and its working fine. About vitavee ---- (who posted on your thread about stealing password )..he is just worried of the competition...

Vitavee owns theleadingarticles.com which offers 30 super spin articles at $147 per month ( wso price was $97 but current wso prise is $147)

Now as your software can spin the words , phrases and sentences too his is surely gonna lose some customers..( as your software is free and who doesn't like to save $147 per month..)

You are doing a great job... keep it up...

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.....Now having said all that and having tried the software , my opinion is that it is nowhere near as the best Spinner in terms of functionality, don't get me wrong, you can get synonyms (only as good as your thesaurus) and you can spin articles, but when it comes to rewriting content (the classic rewrite paragraph 5 times, rewrite each sentence five times and then select appropriate synonyms in each sentence) The chief spinner is completely lacking the tools that enable you to do this efficiently in TBS. I am not saying that it will never have as good functionality but right now it doesn't....
Thank you for your post, I agree on all counts except perhaps this one. In the spirit of your post, perhaps you could explain exactly what functions TBS has that SC does not? As far as we know, SC has the same (or similar) tools as TBS plus extra very powerful functions.
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Umm...I just received this pm. The author has given permission to post but wishes to remain anonymous:

Hi buddy,
I have download your program spinnerchief and its working fine. About vitavee ---- (who posted on your thread about stealing password )..he is just worried of the competition...

Vitavee owns theleadingarticles.com which offers 30 super spin articles at $147 per month ( wso price was $97 but current wso prise is $147)

Now as your software can spin the words , phrases and sentences too his is surely gonna lose some customers..( as your software is free and who doesn't like to save $147 per month..)

You are doing a great job... keep it up...


First of all, Vita Vee is not the type of guy who would say things to defame others just to gain more business. For Vita Vee, helping others is something much more important, and nowadays he spends so much time making videos for his subscribers that he probably would have made a lot of more doing business.

Second, The Leading Articles membership is only restricted to 200 or 300 members. I don't remember the exact number. So what the guy PMed you about is not meaningful. If he wanted to steal your market share, he would not have such a limit restriction. And furthermore, the service is more than what any software could do. I have The Best Spinner, and I still use his service.

Thirdly, trying to defame all those who have concerns about your software as competitors who are trying to steal your market share in order to build trust is not something you should be doing... If you want to prove the trustworthiness of your software, you can do it in a straightforward fashion.

This type of marketing strategy of building hatred against the unknown in order to gain support just doesn't cut it. Not everyone in the world are greedy individuals who resort to underhanded tactics to earn money. There are good people, good marketers who have genuine concerns for their customers.

Just create a detailed report about the misunderstandings and include it with your software. You don't have to go about defaming everyone who has some concerns... It makes you no better than the competitors who you say are trying to defame you. And there may not even be any such people in the first place...

And furthermore, I believe it is against the forum rules to be defaming people like this...

Sorry if this post is offensive in any way. I am just saying my opinion...
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I'll try immediately... feedback coming soon.

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Thank you for your post, I agree on all counts except perhaps this one. In the spirit of your post, perhaps you could explain exactly what functions TBS has that SC does not? As far as we know, SC has the same (or similar) tools as TBS plus extra very powerful functions.
That's a fair enough request, the functionality I am referring to is demonstrated in this video:

Spinning Sentences And Paragraphs


If I have missed how to do this in spinnerchief then please show me and I will stand corrected, if this functionality is forthcoming then great news, I have registered my copy of spinnerchief and look forward to seeing the progress of this software.
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"Umm...I just received this pm. The author has given permission to post but wishes to remain anonymous:"

What right has this member to be posting private and anonymous pm's here?

We are honest people here and don't like members who try to cover their inadequacies with
accusations against Warriors who are just trying to protect others from possible harm to their computers.

Everyone here is allowed to "speak" freely providing they obey the general rules of common decency.
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I never download software from anything but big established companies with an offline as well as online profile. There are LOTS|TONS OF|LOADS OF online spinners out there - no need to download anything.
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Could you explain to me why having an updater in the software is a warning sign. all , if not most software have self update facility, why having one in this is a problem?
Most of the software I use comes as a single package not separately

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Admin privileges: yes, I can see why you may not find their programming elegant, but again many thousands of software are poorly programmed to make them use full privilege as oppose to user privileges, do you install on your machine only software with user privileges?
You said it yourself poorly programmed. Again common in Vista to require full privileges, not so much in XP from my experience. Or with software I typically install

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automatic update: the software ask you if you want to update, there is a clear yes/no dialogue, if you say no it launches without updating, your turn of phrase ("When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3 implies that it automatically update wether you want it or not.That is not my experience of using it. Please explain or clarify your experience.


And I clicked no, why would an updater from a separate file need to run on a file that is less than 30 days old? The fact that it is not a part of the actual software is the part that scares me.



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"I am saying difficult unsecured install and usage"

What the hell do you mean difficult install?

-double click spinnerchief.exe
-decide wether you want the update or not
-decide wether you want to godirectly to the software or register for free

How could that possibly by difficult?
OK, by difficult I tried to install twice in xp and got an error thats when I realized the it wanted the permissions. I can't remember installing a single XP software on XP including Dreamweaver requiring full permissions.

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Just because your software doesn't have any visible bugs or vulnerabilities doesn't mean it doesn't make other common windows programs vulnerable or buggy. Running your software under these conditions is dangerous to others and your company.

That statement above is true for any piece of software why bring this in the equation for that particular software?

You say "I am not saying it's malware", but that statement surrounded by the other ones you make , has the the effect of causing FUD , yet I find your reasons for being wary of this software, underwhelming at best . Having spent over an hour on a huge thread where many people did thorough analysis of this software and found it to be as clean as it could be, I find your analysis miserly and possibly misleading. And I am calling you on it, I look forward to a debrief of your VM ware session and your findings.
I said it's dangerous, for the user to run software at these permission levels. Yes it is possible for a bug in your software, especially with full admin rights to allow access to things it shouldn't. Do you have a full time support team to address issues like this?

Not once did I say you created bad software, it may even actually do quite well. But until you can get the bugs worked out and avoid issues like this I recommend switching to beta and actually building a user base. By the looks of its capabilities you could probably charge an arm and a leg by time you worked out the details like that.

1 more recommendation though, when you try to baffle someone with your BS. Don't pick some one who took the time to document there findings and point your FUD towards someone less organized.
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Umm...I just received this pm. The author has given permission to post but wishes to remain anonymous:

Hi buddy,
I have download your program spinnerchief and its working fine. About vitavee ---- (who posted on your thread about stealing password )..he is just worried of the competition...

Vitavee owns theleadingarticles.com which offers 30 super spin articles at $147 per month ( wso price was $97 but current wso prise is $147)

Now as your software can spin the words , phrases and sentences too his is surely gonna lose some customers..( as your software is free and who doesn't like to save $147 per month..)

You are doing a great job... keep it up...



Disclaimer:

I am a customer of Vita Vee's articles
I am French , so is Vita Vee (in case anyone want to suggest a National bias in my post! )
I am also a costumer of Jon Leger's TBS


I do not believe Vita Vee as anything to worry about spinnerchief (or the best spinner for that matter) stealing his market share.

Maybe you are not familliar with Vita Vee's products, I post one of the free sample he makes available to potential customers(see attachment below)
(vita, if you are not ok with this let me know and I'll remove it)

Now , to write one of this monster article is an absolute ordeal for a lot of people , even with TBS functionality, it is still difficult and time consuming . as I mentioned in my previous post spinnerchief does not yet have the capability to assist the writter in that task.

I could not possibly fathom how something like spinnerchief would be a threat to Vita Vee's business interests?

If he really considered Spinning software as a threat then I would expect him to have a go at TBS as it has the closest functionality that would enable one to compete in the production of Monster articles.

I think you need to rethink how you are positioning spinnerchief, I am not sure your marketing message :"we are the underdog , free and better than all the rest , that's why they hate us and smear us" (I am paraphrasing here but you get the gist)
I am not sure that message hit the spot , at least not for me.

I much prefer the marketing tone adopted by Ludovik and his team at content professor, but every one has it's preferences of course.

I have to say that I thoroughly welcome your entry in the marketplace, I have seen how the author has defended his product on the other forum and the more tools we have , the more competition can only mean good things for us the customer. I know that, come renewal time for TBS, I will thoroughly evaluate yours and other people's offering.

Even if I less than thrilled by the way you market or even defend your product, I am 100% supportive of your product based on it's merits.

Keep it up
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Installation when very smooth... stay tune.

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@ Big Daddy

Most of the software I use comes as a single package not separately

Ok, but can you point me to any resources , online or otherwise , whose consensus shows that it is bad practice and maybe even the hallmark of dangerous software to be built that way. I learn all the time and if confirmed that would add one more way for me (like you do now) to evaluate software. Unfortunately as it's the first time I come across this particular view , I will not take it on board until further corroboration.

You said it yourself poorly programmed. Again common in Vista to require full privileges, not so much in XP from my experience. Or with software I typically install

well runing session with no admin rights is good security practice , one that I don't follow ( i use sandboxie when I want to be cautious) so I have no view if the majority of windows XP software need full admin rights or not , I always thought that most did...
Talkin of dreamweaver what version are you using? both version 4 and version 5 seem to need admin priviledges to install
any chance of posting a list of the stuff you run on your machine that don't need full admin rights to install and run , to give me an idea. or PM it to me if you don't want to make it public)

And I clicked no, why would an updater from a separate file need to run on a file that is less than 30 days old? The fact that it is not a part of the actual software is the part that scares me.

so when you clicked no it didn't run the update right? which is the point I am making because the way you phrased your sentence "When I did finally get the software ready to be installed and it asked me to launch it automatically went to update = Stop Sign #3
well , it was not mentioned you click no but you said it automatically went to update , not much room for interpretation, I genuinely understood this statement as meaning that there was no choice whether to run the update or not. Good you cleared that up.
What has 30 days got to do when a software update is available? Are you implying that all software updates for an original file created within 30 days are potentially scary. I am sorry , I cannot buy this argument , I can't even side with you as I did with the privileges issues as frankly why wouldn't a software developer update their ware as soon as they have a new (hopefully tested I may add ) patch. this arbitrary time line of yours (30 days? Why not 15 or 42 <---answer to everything! ). nope don't buy that.


I said it's dangerous, for the user to run software at these permission levels. Yes it is possible for a bug in your software, especially with full admin rights to allow access to things it shouldn't

this is just a blanket statement and whilst potentialy true, I think it is unfair to single out spinnerchief, As I explained earlier , I advocate the use of sandboxie for running software you do not trust, and if you do not trust any software that run with full admin right then it's easy to run them all in sandboxie or even VMware, at least you could have mentioned it (again ) in order to lessen the impact of your statement and inform your readers.

Do you have a full time support team to address issues like this?

Well I don't because I am not the developer, but having read the other forum , it is my understanding that the developer works on it's own. If you want to hold this against him, well, I can't stop you , I mean I myself curse the insecurities of the windows operating system every day and Microsoft has thousands of full time support people to address the issues, to each is own gripes !

Not once did I say you created bad softwarel

That is correct, you have not said it was a bad spinner, but I did not take you to task on this matter so no need to bring it up.

it may even actually do quite well

I am sure you will find out how well for yourself when you run a full eval on a VMware install. I look forward to read what you think of the functionality of the software.

1 more recommendation though, when you try to baffle someone with your BS.

I am sorry I baffled you, English not being my first language, I may have made some errors in communicating that have baffled you. Please let me know any particular point you are not clear about and I will do my best to further clarify it. I honestly fail to see where I bull****ted you. please indicate the particular point(s) in questions so I can answer this.


Don't pick some one who took the time to document there findings and point your FUD towards someone less organized.

Well you see I am picking on your arguments (not you personally, I don't know you) because I think they are speculative (saying something is (like updating a file that is less than 30 days old is scary) doesn't make it true, this is not documentation.you have instiled Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. Very unfairly as I pointed out.

The only way you could document your misgiving and prove them to be accurate is to do as you said and run the software in VMware and do whatever testing needs to be done to show that it is indeed a dangerous piece of software. Now , I have looked at what other people have done to this software to see if it was dangerous and their report have been overwhelmingly in favor of it not being a danger. But who knows, you may be able to document (in the strictest sense of the word ) that your misgiving are correct

I look forward to see your results.
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I have been using SC for quite some time now and I've had absolutely no problems. I don't run it sandboxed or VM (Virtual Machine).


Simply put, it's really good software that doesn't cost anything.


Seems that SC is free while they continue development with user input.*


By all means though, if you are that paranoid that this software is stealing your cookies. *Hold for laughter* Then by all means don't use it but don't tell me that it's stealing my cookies. I've been using it for long enough to know better than to listen to Internet rumors.
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