Custom Build or Thesis/Genesis

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Hello,

I am working with a designer that wants to do a custom build instead of using Thesis or Genesis. He states we would mock it up in something like Dreamweaver, then convert it to WordPress.

He mentions that it would be faster and would not break during WP updates.

What are the pitfalls to doing something like this? Are there some specific things I need to worry about?

I'm afraid that is will look good but may not function properly or if he ends the relationship of being my developer, it would be tough to find somebody to work on it.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,

Dave
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  • Profile picture of the author David V
    What your project/website is for might help you determine that.
    You said your working with a "designer"...... are you sure he's an expert at development?
    A designer and a developer are not the same thing, or the same skill-sets, although there are some who can do both.

    Faster? not likely, the Thesis/Genesis framework is already in place.

    Not break during updates? hmmm.... that's a pretty strong guarantee.
    It would require consistent updating. Many WP updates are small, but there are also many large improvements that require updating the theme's core. (Thesis/Genesis do this consistently).

    I think your last statement is likely a concern worth thinking about.
    It won't be tough to find someone to work on it, but you will have to pay someone (or the present person) to update any issues that may arise during a WP update.
    Most developers with a custom one-off theme, will not continue to update your theme for free. (Thesis/Genesis updates are part of your purchase).

    Bottom line, what "He wants" doesn't matter too much, what you want and the best way to accomplish it is really what matters.
    It sounds like (I could be wrong...) your being pushed towards a custom setup (which =more $).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of "custom", but the fact that he's pushing you towards custom AND wants to use Dreamweaver??
    That kind of makes me wonder how professional he really is........
    (yes, Dreamweaver is ok, but not the optimal tool that the majority of professionals use).
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  • Profile picture of the author wisedave
    Thanks DV.....

    Just for clarification, he is a developer. He mentions converting HTML files(?)

    I was going to use Genesis but the Thesis 2.0 framework seems like a viable option as well. I think he may be concentrating on the 'looks' which is a short term win.....but when you play the long game, it looks like a full custom theme may be a bit dangerous being that I can't diag and fix problems that arise.
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    • Profile picture of the author David V
      Originally Posted by wisedave View Post

      Thanks DV.....
      ....Just for clarification, he is a developer. He mentions converting HTML files(?)
      .....but when you play the long game, it looks like a full custom theme may be a bit dangerous being that I can't diag and fix problems that arise.
      I only point out the "designer/developer" part since he mentioned dreamweaver.
      If he's using the WYSIWYG editor in dreamweaver, he's likely not an expert coder.
      The code that dreamweaver spits out is decent, but not what it could be.
      Your right....
      Long term...... or even 6 months from now, the underlying coding/framework is more important.
      You want good coding, consistent updating, and fast loading time.
      The design or look can be achieved with any framework or platform.

      EDIT: Just so we're talking in the same ballpark here.... If you have a professional from scratch framework/theme designed and coded, you will be in the thousands of $, this is normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    Originally Posted by wisedave View Post

    if he ends the relationship of being my developer,
    it would be tough to find somebody to work on it.

    If you are talking about a custom site as opposed to a site using one of the premium themes you mentioned, it could be a lot faster than WordPress, I think you already know the only thing that could go wrong with that idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author juicedmarketing
    I prefer to work off of the genesis theme. But, it comes down to personal preference in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael71
    We all know that Wordpress, if not optimized, is not really fast regarding loading times.

    Every plugin loads its own CSS/JS files (and ofcourse in the head section, where JS does NOT belong).

    When I hear someone calling himself "designer" or "dreamweaver" I have to laugh...

    Custom does not mean Thesis/Genesis to me... if a dev knows what he is doing he could just use a solid CSS framework (I prefer ZURB Foundation).

    If someone is selling "premium" themes, or his own site has a premium theme installed, I am asking myself if that guy knows HTML/CSS at all...

    Oh, using a theme framework like Thesis does NOT mean it is not a custom built website!
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
      Originally Posted by Michael71 View Post

      We all know that Wordpress, if not optimized, is not really fast regarding loading times.

      Every plugin loads its own CSS/JS files (and ofcourse in the head section, where JS does NOT belong).

      When I hear someone calling himself "designer" or "dreamweaver" I have to laugh...

      Custom does not mean Thesis/Genesis to me... if a dev knows what he is doing he could just use a solid CSS framework (I prefer ZURB Foundation).

      If someone is selling "premium" themes, or his own site has a premium theme installed, I am asking myself if that guy knows HTML/CSS at all...

      Oh, using a theme framework like Thesis does NOT mean it is not a custom built website!
      The advantage to using Genesis (I wouldn't touch Thesis 2 with a 10-ft pole) is time and quality. The coding of the theme is solid, and if a developer understands how it works, it's a relatively simple matter to customize it to fit any design.

      I use it on almost every WP custom project I do - why reinvent the wheel?
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    Customizing a theme that's already done is wasting a lot of time...
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Using Genesis Framework and build a custom child theme from scratch. That's truly custom because your designer/developer design from scratch but based on the functions of a framework.

    If he/she is using child themes whose packed with the framework and do customization, it's not a true custom one because it based not only on the framework functions but also the markup codes.

    If yours could codes from scratch without using any framework and is using the standard coding of WordPress as well as well commented code structures, there is no point to worry if another qualify developer comes to maintain in the future.

    In contrast, seems that your designer/developer aren't qualify enough because of his/her ignorance of the respond. Custom theme with or without framework, there are slightly different in speed if it's well coded and well optimized.

    He/she would know that the speed would be solved with many things in WordPress such as minimal plugins used, exclude unused codes, optimize images, use sprite, using cache, and many more.

    It seems he/she couldn't implement the theme development with the framework, that's why he/she reply with such a solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author clou
    I can design Genesis and Thesis child themes. Contact me

    Loudesigns.net
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